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downstairs.

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123.

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So before we're gonna um we start talking about

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returning to Sudan

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and um before we move on just tell me about where you work now,

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how you like your job

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and uh

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is it

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uh something that you envisioned yourself ever doing or?

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Well,

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I work for Bank of America

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as a testing office

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I processes some compliance work.

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Um,

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I've been there for 9 years.

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Been into different apartments I've learned a lot of stuff.

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Um,

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but I'm always flexible with this change,

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I want something else,

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the back of my mind.

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What's your dream job or your dream retirement?

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Do you feel like you

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own a farm or ever do anything like that?

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It depends because sometimes when you get to your 60s or 70s,

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the,

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the reality of life starts to change.

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You're like starting to have health and you get weaker.

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But I told my wife before the way I wanna end it is to go back.

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And get myself some cabbage,

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go back to the phone just like how I

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started it.

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That's how I wanted.

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So I would have a farm and just

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just run up to my cab just like when I was a kid.

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That would be nice that would be very nice.

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So what that means is going back to the village.

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So tell me,

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did you,

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you did go back to Sudan.

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Tell me when you went back 2011,

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right after.

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I didn't miss,

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but I did not go to the village,

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so

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it was,

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it was the rainy season,

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so it was kind of hard.

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So I went to Cuba,

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tour around,

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I went to where my mom was in more town,

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which is the youngest state when I stayed with her and you found her,

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OK.

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We stayed there and then I returned,

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but that was when my son was born with my first son.

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So the way I did it was I went there for one month.

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It wasn't enough.

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I had to come back from.

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2016.

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OK

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I took my kids

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with me.

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All three and my wife,

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I remember my wife when when

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the bill was run out she was only 3 months,

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so she didn't have any reflection of her whole life.

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So I took all

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my 3 kids,

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my wife and me,

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we went

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all the way to the building

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that I left 20 something years ago.

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To the ground of our home.

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I was standing there just

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I could just hear the whisper of the bird.

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Quiet time

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How did you feel?

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Did you?

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I wouldn't.

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I was just feeling it more just the excitement.

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I didn't care whether the building was there or not,

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but just the fact this is the ground that I was born.

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It it was just like a moment of silence.

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I was just laughing at the trees that was still there.

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I just told them that you were waiting.

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Like now I'm back.

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So I was in the freeze.

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So it was very exciting.

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Did you bring any dirt with you or any?

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I did.

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I just felt like I'm I'm not done yet.

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I'll be back.

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Was your house still up or no,

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just the ground the ground and built a little elementary school

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right on

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on our farm.

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Just a school made of mud and

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that.

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I,

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I don't even think it's still standing there.

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But I made a commitment that

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I would have be

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arrested on the building.

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maybe elementary school or something.

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So that's something that I,

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me and my wife we talk about we have to walk around.

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however long it would take something will stand all over the house.

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That'll be good but you'll make it happen.

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Did you go to your wife's um village,

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or?

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yeah.

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The unfortunately my wife grandfather was there.

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He's about the same age as my dad.

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My dad has been born for a while,

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and

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she got to see her grandmother for the first time.

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And that was just

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to,

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to her for the homecoming and also the homecoming.

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But I felt like I,

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I had a a small like because I remember a little

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bit of the village because I was there until I was about 10 or 11.

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for her it was an eye opener.

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She didn't remember any of it because she was 3 to see the cow grazing for me,

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I knew that

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see the cow grazing and how cows get milk.

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People just sit under the tree having a good time.

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She saw my grandmother,

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grandfather,

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her uncle

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kids,

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their hands.

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How long were you there?

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we were there for,

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uh,

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we,

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we,

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we weren't there for like months,

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but we weren't in the building for a short time,

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for about 5 days,

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yeah,

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because the executed I had to take the kids back

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they were getting sick and all that stuff we get back the night.

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Was it hard to come back to the United States or was it bittersweet,

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or how would you describe coming back?

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I just I just felt re-energized to come back to the US.

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To to try to make other things happen.

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Kind of,

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you know,

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set things up,

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uh,

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leaving the village for me would be fine,

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but since I had little kids for me

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that's not like I'm the first priority to satisfy her.

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So you heard there's war there again.

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How do you feel about that and what,

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what thoughts do you have about?

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You know,

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it,

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it's a heartbreaking to see that more because sometimes you have some but I was.

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That's a question that nobody asked

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because then you're fighting just because somebody

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else is like on the other person.

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And that's when,

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when we say freedom here in America,

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that being

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you wanna,

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you don't have to hurt somebody,

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I mean

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to enjoy the freedom you want.

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You know,

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we are an independent country.

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There's no reason to go back to work.

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You sit down on the big table of brotherhood and light things out,

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you'll be all right,

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you know.

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So

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it would take a long time for us.

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Well thank you so um we're coming to the end of our um interview so I wanted to ask you,

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I'd like to end the interview with,

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um,

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uh,

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this is gonna be viewed for generations to come hopefully,

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uh,

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and also it can be viewed by people in Sudan because it'll be at the ASU library,

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um,

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the repository electronically.

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Can you tell me how you wanna be remembered

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and then maybe leave some words in your own native tongue for the interview?

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Yes,

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well,

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I.

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I mean some people have these big grand ideas they wanna

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act the world and say though I have change the world.

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Sometimes I call it and

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and.

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But you have to do the little you can

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to make sure you effect changes for the little capacity you have.

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You don't have to have a whole lot of money to

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to make.

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Even giving somebody cancel.

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To affect some of his life

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in a positive way.

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You get any worse,

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um,

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I mean sometimes with the back of having this and that,

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just having that simplistic view.

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What about the complication of life is breaking down small pieces.

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You go through fine

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um.

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If I ever want to be a member for anything

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except you simple life and trying to raise a family and respect other people.

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Trying to live life the right way,

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or something like that.

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You don't have to step on somebody's stoe and get what you want.

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Now tell us something in your native tongue.

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I.

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And why they did not,

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he didn't wanna get.

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But look at that.

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I know I know I'm a lady.

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yeah they quite a you will uh be but look quite a big.

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No.

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Thank you very much,

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Victoria.

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So what did you say?

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The same thing,

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the simple life.

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Yeah.

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You ever wanna

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wanna

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God to favor your life.

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Yes,

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I agree with that.

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Yeah,

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well,

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thank you very,

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very much.

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So I'm glad to find the other one and I'll put it on there so I have your address.

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I come to church and see everybody,

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you know,

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I'd love to do that,

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you know,

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is it still 10 o'clock,

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10 11ish?

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Yeah,

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we have.

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About,

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about 1010 I think one time I came a little bit early and I was like,

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where is everybody?

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I missed it and it was the time the a little bit later.

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thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.