WEBVTT 00:00:04.078 --> 00:00:06.078 Today at May 29, 2015, we are conducting an interview for the Arizona 00:00:09.728 --> 00:00:13.767 State University Retirees Association video history project. We are 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:18.806 located today in the ASU Community Services building. I am Leon Shell, uh 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:23.756 , former dean of students. The technical support staff today include John 00:00:23.789 --> 00:00:29.407 McIntosh operating the camera, Lynd Van Sky, director and. Dave Schlotzley 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:35.277 , chair of the Video History Project. Please introduce yourself and uh 00:00:35.310 --> 00:00:41.926 stating your name and your Position at ASU. I'm Susan Dalbert, and I had a 00:00:41.959 --> 00:00:47.046 number of positions at ASU. I started actually working for uh Dean Shell 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.445 when I first graduated and student activities, and then I moved over to 00:00:50.478 --> 00:00:53.135 high school college relations, eventually becoming the director of 00:00:53.168 --> 00:00:55.885 undergraduate admissions, and then I was the executive director and 00:00:55.918 --> 00:01:00.835 president of the alumni association. 00:01:00.868 --> 00:01:03.546 I'm an Arizona person. I was born in New Orleans, but we moved here when I 00:01:03.579 --> 00:01:10.275 was 415, so I went to. Rancholona Kindergarten, which is right in Phoenix 00:01:10.308 --> 00:01:15.995 on Missouri and 7th Avenue and um actually it's between Central and 7th, I 00:01:16.028 --> 00:01:21.036 think, but and then I went to Slono uh grade school, uh which is on 15th 00:01:21.069 --> 00:01:25.805 Avenue in Missouri, and uh it went through 6th grade and that's where I, 00:01:25.838 --> 00:01:30.995 um, got to be very close with our librarian, Mrs. Helene Carroll and then 00:01:31.028 --> 00:01:35.626 I went to Grand View which was for 7th and 8th grade because Solano. I 00:01:35.659 --> 00:01:38.837 didn't have a 7th and 8th, uh, and from there I went to Central High 00:01:38.870 --> 00:01:41.826 School, and there weren't many kids from Granview who went to Central. 00:01:41.859 --> 00:01:46.105 Most went to West High, so I had to again find new friends, but that was 00:01:46.138 --> 00:01:50.596 good. That was really good for me um because again I was very shy and um I 00:01:50.629 --> 00:01:55.025 needed to actually push myself a little bit. So I went to Central, um, had 00:01:55.058 --> 00:01:58.385 a great experience there. I had, I'd say one of the most influential 00:01:58.418 --> 00:02:01.507 teachers I had a couple of influential teachers I had. One was my 8th 00:02:01.540 --> 00:02:08.525 grade English teacher. Who was really tough and taught me a ton and even 00:02:08.558 --> 00:02:12.327 to this day I'm an incredibly 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:17.767 detailed editor and grammar is extremely important to me. It's kind of 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:23.805 fallen by the wayside sadly for me, but uh so I actually um have a strong 00:02:23.838 --> 00:02:28.775 reputation for that, to being able to uh. 00:02:28.808 --> 00:02:33.866 Really be a strong writer and editor, and I really attribute her beating 00:02:33.899 --> 00:02:37.495 me on the head for that. And then I had a a high school chemistry teacher 00:02:37.528 --> 00:02:42.495 . I took advanced chemistry and then I became his teacher's aide, and his 00:02:42.528 --> 00:02:47.136 name was Arnold Bright, and he had a really big influence on me because he 00:02:47.169 --> 00:02:50.967 was just so passionate about what he did and what I think the influence 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.525 was find that. You know, don't settle for something else. Find something 00:02:54.558 --> 00:02:57.525 that you're passionate about because you could just see it in everything 00:02:57.558 --> 00:03:04.146 he did, and I loved being his his student assistant chemistry, yeah. Bye 00:03:04.179 --> 00:03:09.156 now. Yeah, um, but I, you know, I'm a curious person. I always say that, 00:03:09.189 --> 00:03:11.916 and I think that's important in the business I'm in is you have to be 00:03:11.949 --> 00:03:14.636 curious, particularly when you work in medicine, you know, if I, and I've 00:03:14.669 --> 00:03:17.916 got to really want to learn science. I've got to love science, and if I 00:03:17.949 --> 00:03:21.077 can't really talk to a benefactor about the role of immuno uh T cells in 00:03:21.110 --> 00:03:25.356 immunotherapy, then I'm not gonna get anywhere. So, so yeah, so then I 00:03:25.389 --> 00:03:31.689 went to Central, um. My mom really was insistent that we all go to college. 00:03:31.788 --> 00:03:33.788 But I really was realistic to know that I. Even if I was admitted out of 00:03:36.819 --> 00:03:41.547 state, I didn't want to graduate with huge debt, and I really felt like I 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:46.797 could get a strong education in the state. So that's, I limited myself 00:03:46.830 --> 00:03:50.717 really to Arizona State and to RUA and as I said, I visited both campuses 00:03:50.750 --> 00:03:54.797 and just felt so much more comfortable at ASU. I just felt like that was 00:03:54.830 --> 00:04:01.427 the right fit for me, which it turned out to be. 00:04:01.460 --> 00:04:08.156 The fall of 1970 and she convinced me to go through rush, which I did not 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:13.835 want to do, but I did, and we both pledged the Delta Gamma. That was a big 00:04:13.868 --> 00:04:17.236 part of my college life as it turned out. I had a wonderful experience at 00:04:17.269 --> 00:04:21.036 ASU. I knew I was really fortunate to go to college. I grew up in a single 00:04:21.069 --> 00:04:25.075 parent home and so I decided to make the most of it, and you know, some of 00:04:25.108 --> 00:04:29.476 this personally because I knew you in college, but Um, I was extremely 00:04:29.509 --> 00:04:33.197 active on campus. President of my sorority president Linik helped start 00:04:33.230 --> 00:04:36.836 the Student Foundation, was the first vice president for that, my first 00:04:36.869 --> 00:04:41.596 foray into fundraising and lots of other things, and was still able to 00:04:41.629 --> 00:04:45.197 graduate in 3.5 years, Phi Beta Kappa because I never wanted to let my 00:04:45.230 --> 00:04:50.796 grades get affected. And when I graduated, you hired me. OK, I'm gonna 00:04:50.829 --> 00:04:53.776 want to go back and retrace some of the steps here, but let's start back 00:04:53.809 --> 00:04:57.286 when you were a student at ASU. I think you forgot to mention that you 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:02.007 were outstanding ASU woman student. You were outstanding penne and like 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.887 woman. You were outstanding, uh, graduate from the College of Liberal Arts 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.406 and Science. You were a student senator. You were a chief justice on the, 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:15.387 uh, Supreme Court there. So you were on the fast track. 00:05:15.420 --> 00:05:18.937 So I had 00:05:18.970 --> 00:05:23.697 and I would attribute a lot of this to my what we called then our pledge 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:27.895 moms. So I had a senior, her name is Shelly. 00:05:27.928 --> 00:05:31.817 Who was my pledge mom, and she was terrific. In fact, I just had lunch 00:05:31.850 --> 00:05:37.895 with her probably 6 months ago and uh she just kind of threw me in stuff 00:05:37.928 --> 00:05:42.536 and I never had a date until I got to college and she set me up with, oh 00:05:42.569 --> 00:05:47.645 my gosh, I had some really interesting dates, but it was so, it was so 00:05:47.678 --> 00:05:51.645 good for me because I needed that. I needed somebody to just throw me into 00:05:51.678 --> 00:05:55.937 that kind of environment. Um, I will say I did learn one thing. There are 00:05:55.970 --> 00:06:01.286 a lot of men who say they're 6 ft tall. 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:07.627 Who are not. Somehow that seems to be a, um, the, you know, baseline for a 00:06:07.660 --> 00:06:11.137 lot of guys. So I went on a lot of dates with a lot of guys who I could 00:06:11.170 --> 00:06:17.736 eat peanuts off their head but they said they were 6 ft tall. 00:06:17.769 --> 00:06:20.145 And then she encouraged me to actually get involved in some other things 00:06:20.178 --> 00:06:23.947 too. She, she, you know, kind of forced me to run for president of our 00:06:23.980 --> 00:06:28.187 pledge class and that kind of started everything. So she was really, 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:31.805 really a good influence on me. So my undergraduate degrees in political 00:06:31.838 --> 00:06:35.967 science, Latin American studies, and so I took a lot of Spanish. I started 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.127 actually in junior level Spanish. If I'd known doing well on the placement 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.055 test meant they were gonna put me in Spanish conversation. I might have 00:06:43.088 --> 00:06:48.366 missed a few more questions on that exam, but, um, but it was, yeah, so I 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:54.366 , I took a lot of Spanish and all upper divisions, so, um, my fluency has 00:06:54.399 --> 00:07:01.046 dropped. Over the years, but I still speak Spanish to people and then my 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.836 master's degrees in communication with an emphasis on organizational 00:07:03.869 --> 00:07:08.887 communication and my PhDs in public administration and the two areas that 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.765 I really looked at there were public policy and organizational development 00:07:12.798 --> 00:07:17.976 , so it was a great fit for. 00:07:18.009 --> 00:07:23.205 And I became the student activities advisor working with the sororities 00:07:23.238 --> 00:07:27.645 and with all the women's honoraries which are no longer women's. I had a 00:07:27.678 --> 00:07:32.805 great time there during that tenure. They were just starting a recruitment 00:07:32.838 --> 00:07:37.205 program for ISU, and as you recall, they asked if I could help with that, 00:07:37.238 --> 00:07:39.526 which I did, and then they created a full-time position to work with 00:07:39.559 --> 00:07:42.926 Christine Wilkinson and Roger Swanson to build a recruitment program for 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.467 the university. I went over and did that and stayed there quite a while. I 00:07:46.500 --> 00:07:50.265 did take a little brief time away from my issue and worked at Embry 00:07:50.298 --> 00:07:54.387 Aeronautical University in Prescott where I I was in charge of a bunch of 00:07:54.420 --> 00:07:57.067 things because it was such a small school and came back, worked in the 00:07:57.100 --> 00:08:00.106 College of Engineering for a couple of years, and, uh, because that was 00:08:00.139 --> 00:08:03.257 the only really thing available at the time, but I had a great experience 00:08:03.290 --> 00:08:09.205 . I. Really learned so much when I was there and then Christine was able 00:08:09.238 --> 00:08:12.406 to create an associate director of undergraduate admissions position and 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:17.137 bring me back to admissions and then when she was promoted, I was promoted 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:21.007 to be director of undergraduate admissions. Did that for 8 years. Dots 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:26.101 retired after 36 years as the in charge of alumni association. And I moved 00:08:26.134 --> 00:08:29.822 over to that position. I was there for 8 years before I left the 00:08:29.855 --> 00:08:32.981 university to go to Mayo Clinic. I went to Mayo Clinic and I was the chair 00:08:33.014 --> 00:08:36.900 of the Department of Development and fundraising there. I was there for 8 00:08:36.933 --> 00:08:42.020 years and then I was recruited away to Fred Hutchin's Cancer Research 00:08:42.053 --> 00:08:44.782 Center in Seattle, Washington, where I was the vice president for 00:08:44.815 --> 00:08:50.140 development there for 3 years and then was recruited to go to Rutgers to 00:08:50.173 --> 00:08:55.456 start really. Um, a new program with a huge program with 14 units called 00:08:55.489 --> 00:08:57.936 Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences, and I've been there since 00:08:57.969 --> 00:09:01.696 September. Well, let's go back and start again with part of your, uh, 00:09:01.729 --> 00:09:07.210 experiences in undergraduate admissions, a highly visible position. 00:09:07.369 --> 00:09:09.369 demanding position. And you held several several different roles there, 00:09:12.389 --> 00:09:16.907 but could you comment a little bit on some of, uh, your highlights there, 00:09:16.940 --> 00:09:21.907 some of your accomplishments, because I remember some of them, but, uh, 00:09:21.940 --> 00:09:25.025 that, that's where you were during most of your career in the alumni 00:09:25.058 --> 00:09:29.217 association, but back to undergraduate admissions. Sure, uh, that was an 00:09:29.250 --> 00:09:32.866 absolutely wonderful part of my career. It was so rewarding and it's such 00:09:32.899 --> 00:09:35.866 a happy time in people's lives when they're, you know, choosing a college 00:09:35.899 --> 00:09:40.336 and coming to university and. So that was really enjoyable for me. There 00:09:40.369 --> 00:09:44.576 were lots of challenges. I always said every year it was more, different, 00:09:44.609 --> 00:09:48.616 better. We wanted really more students. We wanted more diverse students 00:09:48.649 --> 00:09:52.255 and we wanted better academic students. And so there there were challenges 00:09:52.288 --> 00:09:57.936 that were continual. I would say what I feel proudest of probably in that 00:09:57.969 --> 00:10:02.586 experience was. Uh, I remember very clearly a meeting with the provost Mel 00:10:02.619 --> 00:10:07.856 Gleck, and we were talking about how we needed to really, this was shortly 00:10:07.889 --> 00:10:12.967 after I became director. I try and recruit more freshmen into the class 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:17.326 because our senior class was our largest class and it really didn't make 00:10:17.359 --> 00:10:20.635 sense for a lot of reasons. There were a lot of really strong 00:10:20.668 --> 00:10:22.967 underrepresented students who were starting at community college that we 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.927 felt should really have the university experience, uh, economically, the 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.885 way that we were funded through the state, it was not to our benefit to 00:10:30.918 --> 00:10:33.287 have larger numbers of juniors and seniors and less freshmen and 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.885 sophomores, just lots of reasons. And so I worked on a program called 00:10:37.918 --> 00:10:44.467 Shaping the Class where we really work to. Uh, build that, um. Issue is as 00:10:44.500 --> 00:10:48.307 the destination for the top high school students in the state as freshmen 00:10:48.340 --> 00:10:52.427 and hired a group of recruiters who actually went and spent time in the 00:10:52.460 --> 00:10:55.667 high schools and my message to them was always, I want you to be that high 00:10:55.700 --> 00:10:58.746 school counselor's best friend. If there's any questions about higher ed, 00:10:58.779 --> 00:11:04.265 they should be calling you and it worked. So um our freshman class became 00:11:04.298 --> 00:11:09.986 our largest class. We really inverted that pyramid and. I really do think 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:15.346 it was a launched to um help improve the academic uh reputation quality of 00:11:15.379 --> 00:11:19.866 the university during your career at ASU, uh, you were there during how 00:11:19.899 --> 00:11:26.177 many different presidents? Yeah, I was trying to think about that, um. 00:11:26.210 --> 00:11:29.616 I can't remember the name of the president when I came as a freshman, but 00:11:29.649 --> 00:11:35.015 the ones that I really worked with were John Schwata, Russ Nelson, 700, um 00:11:35.048 --> 00:11:42.336 Laddie Core and and then a little bit of Michael Crowe. 00:11:42.369 --> 00:11:46.936 Remember when we were really trying to concentrate on underrepresented 00:11:46.969 --> 00:11:51.076 populations and as I recall. 00:11:51.109 --> 00:11:56.917 Your years there, the increase was really substantial in underrepresented 00:11:56.950 --> 00:12:01.677 students. Do you recall any of that was really pretty important to me um. 00:12:01.710 --> 00:12:05.976 I don't know if you recall this, but so along with, you know, working 00:12:06.009 --> 00:12:10.135 issue for so long and being an undergraduate, I um. Since I was working 00:12:10.168 --> 00:12:13.206 there and I love school, I went ahead and got a master's degree and a PhD 00:12:13.239 --> 00:12:19.287 , and my dissertation was really looking at access to higher ed for 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.005 underrepresented populations. So that's always been kind of a passion of 00:12:22.038 --> 00:12:28.086 mine. And so yes, we really developed a lot of uh pre-college programs. We 00:12:28.119 --> 00:12:31.667 actually had a unit in our office that was really dedicated to that to 00:12:31.700 --> 00:12:38.125 really address that and try and identify and recruit the very top undered 00:12:38.158 --> 00:12:42.297 students and also. Uh, provide access to any qualified underrepresented 00:12:42.330 --> 00:12:45.986 students and, and provide the support that was needed. So that was, um, 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:49.547 again a very, very big priority for us in terms of more different and 00:12:49.580 --> 00:12:55.385 better in terms of the top academic, uh, students getting them as I recall 00:12:55.418 --> 00:13:00.787 that. The merit scholar program really increased during that period of 00:13:00.820 --> 00:13:06.547 time also, and that was, that was not really me. I mean it was, I was 00:13:06.580 --> 00:13:11.125 certainly part of it, but it was a really university wide effort and I 00:13:11.158 --> 00:13:15.586 think the beginning of the honors college had a dramatic impact on that 00:13:15.619 --> 00:13:19.746 when we were able to get it named by Craig and Barbara Barrett, that was, 00:13:19.779 --> 00:13:23.407 you know, a big help for us in recruitment, uh, and really it was, I think 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:28.946 , um. Uh, both, uh this was during Laddie Core's, um, presidency and Milli 00:13:28.979 --> 00:13:33.265 as provost. They both were just extremely supportive of that as well, and 00:13:33.298 --> 00:13:39.667 we were, we really were second fiddle to, to UA, um. When I during most of 00:13:39.700 --> 00:13:43.145 my career and I really just feel like it was toward the end that we 00:13:43.178 --> 00:13:48.025 started to make an impact and I just I still receive all my ASU emails and 00:13:48.058 --> 00:13:52.145 whatever and I just read again a notice about how many Flynn scholars 00:13:52.178 --> 00:13:57.217 we've gotten and I tell you I just was beaming because when we started 00:13:57.250 --> 00:14:01.186 we'd get a handful of the 20, a handful, and now we're getting almost all 00:14:01.219 --> 00:14:06.047 of them. So I'm so happy. What was it? Ted Humphrey that started the 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.645 honors college at that time, and I worked very closely with Ted, yeah, 00:14:09.678 --> 00:14:15.686 yeah. Because that was really a large bonus for the university and uh 00:14:15.719 --> 00:14:19.287 brought in a lot of top students. What a thing to have on your resume that 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:23.366 you attended the honors college there. And, and I think it has an, I know 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:27.086 it has a national reputation. So, um, Rutgers has honors colleges and 00:14:27.119 --> 00:14:31.326 we're just building this new honors dorm and honors residence, um, it's 00:14:31.359 --> 00:14:34.726 which is beautiful and they just published something that was talking 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:40.307 about the, um. Increase in SAT scores at Rutgers for the honor students 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:44.467 and they had a group of about 6 other honors colleges that they used for 00:14:44.500 --> 00:14:47.866 comparison and Arizona State was in that group of 6, and that made me very 00:14:47.899 --> 00:14:52.427 proud. 00:14:52.460 --> 00:14:56.255 Well, you were in some pretty high profile, uh, programs, uh, but let's go 00:14:56.288 --> 00:15:00.866 to one of the top leadership programs or leadership positions, the alumni 00:15:00.899 --> 00:15:07.996 association. You were the president director. Um, that was, uh, you know, 00:15:08.029 --> 00:15:14.467 I once I ask you why you want to get a doctorate degree, 00:15:14.500 --> 00:15:17.746 and I think that's one of the reasons I read that alumni association 00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:22.076 position. Came open and you were an ideal candidate. I mean you had seen 00:15:22.109 --> 00:15:26.625 hundreds of students coming to issue, hundreds of graduates going to issue 00:15:26.658 --> 00:15:30.515 , and there had to be a lot of satisfaction and highlights in that 00:15:30.548 --> 00:15:34.836 position. Might you cover some of those? Yeah, it was, I mean, again, that 00:15:34.869 --> 00:15:39.346 was a labor of love for me. I'm a 3 time sun double and most of my career 00:15:39.379 --> 00:15:45.116 was at ASU, so. Uh yeah, trying to get um alumni really feeling more 00:15:45.149 --> 00:15:50.275 attached to the university was very important for me at ASU during the 70s 00:15:50.308 --> 00:15:55.275 , uh it was a time of huge growth and a lot of commuter students and there 00:15:55.308 --> 00:15:59.797 was really not a strong affinity to the, to the university. A lot of the, 00:15:59.830 --> 00:16:05.547 my contemporaries felt as though we worked really hard and uh. Uh, we were 00:16:05.580 --> 00:16:10.385 working, we went to school, etc. So trying to really find ways to attach 00:16:10.418 --> 00:16:16.395 the alumni back to ASU and for me it was really focused on um. Letting 00:16:16.428 --> 00:16:21.236 them know the really incredible upward trajectory that the university was 00:16:21.269 --> 00:16:25.116 still taking and that really their degrees, the value of their degree was 00:16:25.149 --> 00:16:30.836 increasing every time we made a gain in our academic and and overall 00:16:30.869 --> 00:16:35.177 reputation. So it was really fun to try and strategize around that, uh, 00:16:35.210 --> 00:16:38.755 the messaging that we gave to our alumni either through the magazine 00:16:38.788 --> 00:16:42.557 through any kind of communication, uh, and the fun part and then just the 00:16:42.590 --> 00:16:46.356 fun part for me was just, you know, getting to know alumni and. I just 00:16:46.389 --> 00:16:51.116 read a retirement letter from a former colleague of mine, and he said when 00:16:51.149 --> 00:16:55.076 he took his job, his goal was to shake the hand of every alumnus, and 00:16:55.109 --> 00:17:00.395 while I never could have done that, it still was really rewarding to me to 00:17:00.428 --> 00:17:04.196 meet and get to know as many as I could and I still keep in touch with a 00:17:04.229 --> 00:17:09.956 really large number. You held several national positions as I recall with 00:17:09.989 --> 00:17:14.425 the alumni association. Could you comment on that? I, I did both in 00:17:14.458 --> 00:17:19.314 admissions and alumni. I just really got involved nationally and it was, 00:17:19.347 --> 00:17:22.915 it was important for me because one of the reasons was that I had, you 00:17:22.948 --> 00:17:27.075 know, I was born and raised a sun double and so if I was going to have any 00:17:27.108 --> 00:17:31.607 kind of really innovation or um. 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:35.486 Uh, big kind of vision or you know really looking strategically where we 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.805 needed to go. I felt I needed to get exposure to other organizations and 00:17:38.838 --> 00:17:42.426 to other universities, uh, because I had not had any other experiences. 00:17:42.459 --> 00:17:45.347 And so getting involved nationally was allowed me to do that without 00:17:45.380 --> 00:17:49.766 having to leave ASU. Um, so really my whole motivation was, you know, how 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:53.967 can I learn and do things that will help me advance whatever I was doing 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:58.825 at at ASU, whether it be in admissions or alumni. As I recall, was one of 00:17:58.858 --> 00:18:06.858 the positions um being the membership chair of the Association, um, yes, I 00:18:07.250 --> 00:18:12.097 mean, I was president of the Association of um admissions for public 00:18:12.130 --> 00:18:16.367 universities. I, I did membership for them. I did, uh, I got very involved 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:20.815 with the council Alumni Association executives, um, so yeah, again, it 00:18:20.848 --> 00:18:28.006 just, it gave me a lot of personal, um. You know, uh 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:33.117 Values back, but it really was also very much around how do I learn things 00:18:33.150 --> 00:18:37.266 to make the association better and I've enduring friendships from those 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:43.256 organizations, particularly alumni, about 3 or 4 years ago, 8 couples went 00:18:43.289 --> 00:18:47.436 and spent 2 weeks in Switzerland together, all former alumni colleagues of 00:18:47.469 --> 00:18:51.647 mine, so we were able to develop really wonderful friendships along with a 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.397 lot of professional sharing. Probably one of the things I'm most proud of 00:18:55.430 --> 00:18:57.956 there too is 00:18:57.989 --> 00:19:01.436 because of my experience in admissions, I have really strong relationships 00:19:01.469 --> 00:19:09.075 with all the academic deans and I really feel as though I worked hard to 00:19:09.108 --> 00:19:11.516 continue to build those relationships so that they really understood the 00:19:11.549 --> 00:19:16.717 importance of the alumni association and their alumni and the importance 00:19:16.750 --> 00:19:21.565 of development and really their support for philanthropy. And 00:19:21.598 --> 00:19:25.325 understanding how, how valuable that was and so that was one of my goals 00:19:25.358 --> 00:19:28.256 when I went to in was to really, you know, build and strengthen those 00:19:28.289 --> 00:19:30.926 relationships with the deans and I feel like when I left there they were, 00:19:30.959 --> 00:19:35.535 they were, um, really strong. 00:19:35.568 --> 00:19:40.607 You were involved in Raising funds for the renovation of Old Maine, 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:45.006 weren't you? Yes, Don Dotts was when he retired, he, he became our, our 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.565 chief fundraiser for that, but he and I worked really closely together on 00:19:48.598 --> 00:19:53.996 that. He was a great partner and uh. Again, some of my, you know, people 00:19:54.029 --> 00:19:59.916 that have become friends were, uh, donors to, to that, uh, renovation. If 00:19:59.949 --> 00:20:04.516 you look at the major naming, uh, Ed and Nadine Carson, most wonderful 00:20:04.549 --> 00:20:08.315 gracious people, Gary Anne and Diane Tucker, who still remain close 00:20:08.348 --> 00:20:13.357 personal friends of mine, uh, John and Barbara Beverling still, you know, 00:20:13.390 --> 00:20:17.107 personal friends of mine. So it was really pretty, pretty wonderful 00:20:17.140 --> 00:20:21.276 experience. Um, we kind of laughed because Tom and I actually, my husband 00:20:21.309 --> 00:20:25.575 and I actually named the, the kitchen break room in Old Maine because I 00:20:25.608 --> 00:20:28.996 really wanted to do something that was, uh, that would have an impact on 00:20:29.029 --> 00:20:34.035 the staff. So it was that doing that project was one of the most fun 00:20:34.068 --> 00:20:37.756 things I've ever done. Um, I really was the project administrator with the 00:20:37.789 --> 00:20:44.206 architect and Worked on doing picking, I mean some design stuff in all of 00:20:44.239 --> 00:20:50.236 the fabrics, all the furniture that was again just really a wonderful 00:20:50.269 --> 00:20:53.545 experience because I knew it was going to have just such an incredible, 00:20:53.578 --> 00:20:57.406 you know, impact on our alumni, especially for a school like ours, um, 00:20:57.439 --> 00:21:01.446 that grew so quickly and and didn't have a lot of traditions to be able to 00:21:01.479 --> 00:21:06.097 take that significant historical building. And the university make this 00:21:06.130 --> 00:21:09.815 declaration that alumni are so important that we're giving them the 00:21:09.848 --> 00:21:14.016 centerpiece of the campus. I think it was just a really incredible message. 00:21:14.049 --> 00:21:18.045 You see a lot of ASU license plates. Could you talk a little bit about 00:21:18.078 --> 00:21:22.776 the medallion of Merit program that that was started before, definitely 00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:30.256 before me. Um, it was really a pretty, uh, I think, wonderful program um. 00:21:30.289 --> 00:21:34.377 Barry Earns is really the one who got it going, and he really pushed for 00:21:34.410 --> 00:21:38.456 that. He was president or chair of the alumni association and uh very 00:21:38.489 --> 00:21:43.617 active in that program and as I recall, he's he got the first ASU license 00:21:43.650 --> 00:21:49.137 plate when that happened, um, but it was designed to actually put money 00:21:49.170 --> 00:21:52.936 into a fund to award scholarships to outstanding Arizona high school 00:21:52.969 --> 00:21:56.756 students, and we call that the medallion of Merit. It's had some changes 00:21:56.789 --> 00:22:01.315 since I left when I left. It was really every high school in the state was 00:22:01.348 --> 00:22:05.315 able to select one medallion of Merit student, but I think it's become 00:22:05.348 --> 00:22:08.756 more selective and more competitive since I left. But it's so fun to do 00:22:08.789 --> 00:22:12.877 the license plates, so everybody needs a sparky plate. So in your position 00:22:12.910 --> 00:22:18.575 with the alumni association, there was the development part of it also. 00:22:18.608 --> 00:22:23.815 And Going into that position was that seen as a major part of of your 00:22:23.848 --> 00:22:27.575 position, or I don't think so. I don't think it ever had really had been, 00:22:27.608 --> 00:22:31.496 but I was very interested in that. So, um, little did I know I was going 00:22:31.529 --> 00:22:37.217 to end up with a career as a full-time fundraiser, but, um, you know, I, I 00:22:37.250 --> 00:22:40.545 just was so passionate about the institution. It just seemed odd to me 00:22:40.578 --> 00:22:44.137 that we, we weren't involved and there and a lot of alumni associations 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:48.226 there's this push pull with with development with fundraising and. I made 00:22:48.259 --> 00:22:52.986 it clear to our staff that every one of us was was a development officer, 00:22:53.019 --> 00:22:56.186 and I felt that everyone who worked in the foundation was an alumni 00:22:56.219 --> 00:22:59.006 relations person. We're all in the same continuum. We just are in 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.456 different places. We're taking, we're taking our alumni from just 00:23:03.489 --> 00:23:06.706 identifying ones that are interested in us, and then we're working through 00:23:06.739 --> 00:23:09.857 to get them more interested and involved so that they will at some point 00:23:09.890 --> 00:23:13.946 invest and if we aren't thinking about that. Then we're missing an 00:23:13.979 --> 00:23:18.127 opportunity to really provide great joy to the individual and help for the 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.825 institution. So our job really was to marry that, to marry needs and 00:23:22.858 --> 00:23:28.065 priorities for ASU with passions of our alumni. Probably had more contacts 00:23:28.098 --> 00:23:32.045 with students than about any other position in the university. When you 00:23:32.078 --> 00:23:36.065 look at undergraduate admissions, you guys used to have, I don't know how 00:23:36.098 --> 00:23:42.285 many visits to campus, how many students came through your office, but uh. 00:23:42.318 --> 00:23:45.656 That had to be a highlight, you know, there's no question about it. I 00:23:45.689 --> 00:23:50.156 mean student contact you had unbelievably so, and I mean I could just 00:23:50.189 --> 00:23:55.627 think of some students that just really had an impact on my life that um. 00:23:55.660 --> 00:23:59.835 that I, I learned, I learned a lot from them. Uh, you'd crack up if you 00:23:59.868 --> 00:24:04.035 saw how many Facebook friends I have that are former ESU students. It's 00:24:04.068 --> 00:24:08.996 really kind of funny. I, uh, actually, um, one of the students that I'm 00:24:09.029 --> 00:24:11.676 Facebook friends with just sent the most adorable picture of his little 00:24:11.709 --> 00:24:16.236 girl, and I don't usually respond to a lot of Facebook um stuff, but I had 00:24:16.269 --> 00:24:22.075 to write back and say, oh my gosh, John, you know, this, this is one un 00:24:22.108 --> 00:24:26.075 adorable little girl, and it just made me really realize um how quickly 00:24:26.108 --> 00:24:29.476 time goes, and I still think of this is John's name is John Malick. I 00:24:29.509 --> 00:24:34.706 still think of him as 18 years old. And he's a dad and very successful. So 00:24:34.739 --> 00:24:38.426 , well, some of these students you, you work with are now on the alumni 00:24:38.459 --> 00:24:45.016 boards, the national boards, and then you go through that list and uh. 00:24:45.049 --> 00:24:50.176 The most memorable moments you had at ASU. What a wise man. Frank Zackton 00:24:50.209 --> 00:24:55.416 was just an incredible person. I, I learned a lot about 00:24:55.449 --> 00:25:02.246 integrity, about how to treat people. Um, about really wise decisions to 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:06.367 not really jump to make decisions, but to really be thoughtful about 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.686 decisions. I also learned a lot in those same kind of um errors from Jack 00:25:10.719 --> 00:25:15.696 Feaster. He was really a, a super person and the other another person 00:25:15.729 --> 00:25:20.276 besides Lean and Christina I mentioned that I really learned a lot from. 00:25:20.309 --> 00:25:25.617 Um Let's make me a little emotional. It's Alan Price. 00:25:25.650 --> 00:25:29.295 Who was the um beef for advance but my boss um when I was in alumni 00:25:29.328 --> 00:25:33.976 association and we uh maintained our friendship after I left ASU also he 00:25:34.009 --> 00:25:37.217 left and uh as soon as Lottie announced he was retiring, Ellen started 00:25:37.250 --> 00:25:41.565 looking. And he went to University of Oregon, was there for a number of 00:25:41.598 --> 00:25:44.736 years, did a great job as their VP for advancement. He's really 00:25:44.769 --> 00:25:48.986 responsible for the Phil Knight relationship with the University of Oregon 00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:53.107 and with Oregon Health Sciences. So then Allen moved over from UFO to 00:25:53.140 --> 00:25:56.426 Oregon Health Sciences, and you probably have heard I mean Phil Knight 00:25:56.459 --> 00:26:01.226 just a few years ago gave them a $500 million gift for cancer before that 00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:05.746 he'd given $100 million to CB. Allen did all that relationship and a few 00:26:05.779 --> 00:26:11.726 years ago, Alan. He died and he was only 55 at the time and it was really 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:16.815 , really tragic, but he had a huge influence on me. 00:26:16.848 --> 00:26:21.295 In a lot of ways he was just a really great person and I, I'm, I'm so I 00:26:21.328 --> 00:26:25.857 talked to him maybe 3 weeks before he died and so. I really, I've had just 00:26:25.890 --> 00:26:31.285 some great, great. Uh, people that I worked for that I learned so much 00:26:31.318 --> 00:26:36.867 from. I've had a couple not so great too. I will say that. But Christine 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:42.075 and Anna Allen are all on the upside and Vic Trastick, my boss at Frank 00:26:42.108 --> 00:26:46.996 Zackton was an amazing person. You'd see him walk down the mall, and he 00:26:47.029 --> 00:26:50.117 had the most spring to his stick. Oh my gosh. I mean, you'd think he was 00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:56.236 20 years old and he just exuded in enthusiasm and uh and he had a way of 00:26:56.269 --> 00:27:00.637 making people really feel comfortable when you were around him, but what a 00:27:00.670 --> 00:27:03.686 positive person. 00:27:03.719 --> 00:27:07.967 Rank up at the top in terms of your memorable moments on a personal level 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:14.766 , I would say when I finally did finish my PhD um because that was. A 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.486 struggle because I was a director of undergraduate admissions at the time 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.607 and I say, you know, it took me longer to write my dissertation than I 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.166 wanted. I went through the coursework pretty quickly but um I, as I always 00:27:24.199 --> 00:27:29.887 say, life interfered and so I took um. It took me a little longer than I 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.476 wanted, but I was determined to get it done. And what really I think about 00:27:33.509 --> 00:27:37.496 that, so I got I was very, very close with Jim Brock, who was the baseball 00:27:37.529 --> 00:27:42.686 coach here for 23 years, and he passed away and I had not finished my 00:27:42.719 --> 00:27:46.486 dissertation. I was close, but I just hadn't pushed through to finish, and 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:50.795 he was always so encouraging to me about that and I felt so badly about it 00:27:50.828 --> 00:27:56.045 that he died in July and I and I finished in December. I was determined. I 00:27:56.078 --> 00:28:01.256 would just to get it done and. I dedicated my dissertation to him because 00:28:01.289 --> 00:28:04.456 I really was so thankful, so that was a highlight, I think, really getting 00:28:04.489 --> 00:28:10.416 that done. Yeah, your interest in athletics uh really helped, I think 00:28:10.449 --> 00:28:15.295 overall in terms of the alumni association talking about coaches, a lot of 00:28:15.328 --> 00:28:18.656 people didn't realize that Jim Brock had a doctorate degree, right? He had 00:28:18.689 --> 00:28:22.147 an EDD. 00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:25.756 He certainly did, and that's a coach. As an undergraduate, I think just my 00:28:25.789 --> 00:28:29.867 entire undergraduate experience, I mean, I really feel like I just 00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:34.967 maximized that whole experience. I wouldn't change a thing in my career at 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:41.295 AU, I think it was really having an impact on the profile of the student 00:28:41.328 --> 00:28:46.397 body. Both flipping the inverted pyramid and really making a strong focus 00:28:46.430 --> 00:28:51.436 on bringing underrepresented students into the population was a huge 00:28:51.469 --> 00:28:54.946 factor for me and at the alumni association, I think it was just feeling 00:28:54.979 --> 00:29:00.795 as though we were creating pride and being alumni was important. Also, you 00:29:00.828 --> 00:29:07.156 might recall I got this crazy idea to. Everybody were goals of football 00:29:07.189 --> 00:29:15.189 games and uh. Call it solid gold and got some of my friends um. From the, 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.986 the three football quarterbacks for three decades, Danny White from the 00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:23.147 70s, Jeff from the 80s, and Jake Plummer from the 90s to actually do a 00:29:23.180 --> 00:29:29.526 photo campaign for me to promote solid gold and And the students today 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:34.285 they're all go to the games and so I'm, I'm kind of proud of that. You 00:29:34.318 --> 00:29:38.647 know, as I remember, you had contact with a former football player that 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:43.085 went out for the football team and encouraged him to come back to school. 00:29:43.118 --> 00:29:47.916 Actually that was Danny. That was, so, um, and you know, we just became 00:29:47.949 --> 00:29:52.545 really good friends. Uh, one of those things where the first time I met 00:29:52.578 --> 00:29:54.825 with him, it was like we've known each other forever, but what happened 00:29:54.858 --> 00:29:59.506 was he retired from football and had not quite finished his degree when he 00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:04.325 left and was 9 hours short and he was talking to Frank Cush about it, his 00:30:04.358 --> 00:30:09.055 former coach, and Frank told him he needed to talk to me. He he had tried 00:30:09.088 --> 00:30:14.137 a couple of things and had at the university had not gotten very far, so 00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:18.097 Frank said, you know, you should go talk to Susan. So he did and I helped 00:30:18.130 --> 00:30:23.656 him get readmitted and Worked with everything. I met him on the first day 00:30:23.689 --> 00:30:27.325 or the day before classes, walked him around to all his classes, so he 00:30:27.358 --> 00:30:29.887 would, you know, know where he was going and what was going on, and, and 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:34.656 it just, it started a really great friendship that um. It was terrific and 00:30:34.689 --> 00:30:39.607 he finished and I am really happy that he did because it would have been 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:45.555 really, really, uh. Sad thing if he was 9 hours credit hours short and 00:30:45.588 --> 00:30:50.097 never finished the degree, so. 00:30:50.130 --> 00:30:56.486 ASU at that time was tough for me. It was I 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:01.006 guess in my head I always thought I'd retire from ASU, but you know when 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:05.647 one door shuts, another one opens and it turned out to be a wonderful 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:11.456 opportunity for me. In so many ways professionally, I mean, I think it was 00:31:11.489 --> 00:31:15.196 8 years I had with Vic Trastic I wouldn't trade anything for them. I 00:31:15.229 --> 00:31:19.835 learned so much and I had a a urologist, Scott Swanson I worked with as 00:31:19.868 --> 00:31:23.266 well, who was our medical liaison for development, and they called us the 00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:27.555 Three Musketeers. I mean we just really had an incredible, incredibly 00:31:27.588 --> 00:31:31.397 strong team and having the experience of the larger Mayo Clinic and 00:31:31.430 --> 00:31:35.565 spending a lot of time in Rochester was also an experience I would never 00:31:35.598 --> 00:31:41.857 want to give up so. I was really fortunate. This that job came open and 00:31:41.890 --> 00:31:45.176 one of my best friends from college who I'm still really good friends with 00:31:45.209 --> 00:31:49.377 is Pat Norris and Pat was a former alumni chair too but before me, but she 00:31:49.410 --> 00:31:55.656 was one of my closest friends in college and um. She and I had lunch and I 00:31:55.689 --> 00:32:01.555 told her I was you know. Going to be looking for a job and she a couple 00:32:01.588 --> 00:32:05.436 weeks later her pledged daughter had been who I knew was the director of 00:32:05.469 --> 00:32:09.746 rehab at Mayo and she saw this job and sent it to Pat. Pat sent it to me 00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:15.196 and everything just fell into place. It was again meant to be. Gary Tucker 00:32:15.229 --> 00:32:21.516 was a big supporter of Mayo and he was one of my references and so when. 00:32:21.549 --> 00:32:26.535 You know that happened and then um. Just a number, a number of things. Don 00:32:26.568 --> 00:32:29.406 Buffmeyer, I don't know if you know his name, but he was on the Flynn 00:32:29.439 --> 00:32:33.877 Foundation board, uh, who I got to know very well. He was very involved 00:32:33.910 --> 00:32:38.476 with Mayo. He was a physician. Uh, they all called, you know, Vic and said 00:32:38.509 --> 00:32:42.196 , you need to hire this woman. And so I went out and met with them and 00:32:42.229 --> 00:32:46.996 talked to them, and apparently Vicks, the story is that as soon as I 00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:52.256 walked out, Vic said, how fast can we hire her? So it was just. It was 00:32:52.289 --> 00:32:58.226 just supposed to be, it really was. 00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:03.706 You mentioned earlier 3 different entities, major medical entities that 00:33:03.739 --> 00:33:09.285 you had. Primary responsibility for fundraising. Let's start with Mayo 00:33:09.318 --> 00:33:14.726 Clinic. Talk about Mayo Clinic, what you did there, what their goals were 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:20.285 for their fund drives. So yeah, Mayo Clinic was a great experience. Uh, so 00:33:20.318 --> 00:33:24.795 I was responsible for fundraising for Mayo Clinic in Arizona, uh, but I 00:33:24.828 --> 00:33:28.127 spent about probably close to a week a month in Rochester where Mother 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.607 Mayo is because really our fundraisers raised money for all of Mayo, uh, 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:36.176 wherever the research, wherever the program was that that the. A 00:33:36.209 --> 00:33:40.127 benefactor was interested in if it was Jacksonville, if it was Rochester, 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.805 the first large gift that I raised, um, there was a $5 million gift, and 00:33:44.838 --> 00:33:48.347 it went all to Rochester because the interest was really in multiple 00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:52.045 sclerosis research and we had a researcher there doing some incredible 00:33:52.078 --> 00:33:57.686 things and so um that's where it needed to go so we really raised money 00:33:57.719 --> 00:34:04.795 everywhere uh and so the, the goals um were twofold. One was to really. 00:34:04.828 --> 00:34:07.936 Increase the fundraising for all of Mayo Clinic, but also then to build 00:34:07.969 --> 00:34:11.316 the fundraising program in Arizona because it had been a pretty nascent 00:34:11.349 --> 00:34:17.239 program. There hadn't been a lot of emphasis on it, so it was really um. 00:34:17.750 --> 00:34:19.750 Building a culture of philanthropy at Mayo Clinic, and I did it again 00:34:21.878 --> 00:34:25.767 after my experiences at Arizona State. I knew that one of my keys in order 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.557 to be successful was to build relationships with physicians, and that 00:34:30.590 --> 00:34:34.675 turned out to be true. I think a lot of our success and we were very 00:34:34.708 --> 00:34:39.086 successful was due to the fact that we had a really incredibly strong 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:45.374 physician referral program. Our physicians got really good at um referring 00:34:45.407 --> 00:34:50.934 patients to us that they knew had both capacity and an inclination and um 00:34:50.967 --> 00:34:55.215 and we had to prove to the physicians that they could trust us and that we 00:34:55.248 --> 00:34:58.776 were professional and that we would never jeopardize anything about their 00:34:58.809 --> 00:35:03.425 relationship and once they saw that they jumped right in and that was 00:35:03.458 --> 00:35:06.956 really incredibly rewarding and we were able to do a lot of really. Things 00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:11.916 for patients. We really raised the money for a new building on the Phoenix 00:35:11.949 --> 00:35:17.316 campus for our surgeons. We raised all the money for a beautiful 00:35:17.349 --> 00:35:21.796 simulation center in the hospital. Those are a couple of physical things 00:35:21.829 --> 00:35:27.796 that we did, but we also raised a lot of money for research. The two areas 00:35:27.829 --> 00:35:32.686 that are always. The biggest research interests are cancer because 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.445 unfortunately it touches everyone and cardiovascular diseases because 00:35:36.478 --> 00:35:40.807 everyone's desperately afraid of a heart attack. So those generally tended 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.856 to be ones that we raised more money for and that really really rewarding. 00:35:45.889 --> 00:35:50.486 So I loved Mayo. I loved it because it was really diverse. The patients 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.807 were passionate. I'd be talking to a cancer patient in their family one 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.876 day about what they wanted to do, and the next day I'd be talking to 00:35:56.909 --> 00:36:01.405 someone who It was loving life because he just had his shoulder replaced 00:36:01.438 --> 00:36:04.807 and could play tennis again, so it really had some, you know, really nice 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:11.287 balance to it. What were the fundraising goals when you were there of Mayo 00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:16.787 Clinic and, and how much was raised, do you recall? 00:36:16.820 --> 00:36:20.675 Pretty much so we were, we were just starting a campaign, a quiet phase of 00:36:20.708 --> 00:36:23.646 a campaign. It was the first campaign Mayo had ever done, so that was 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.885 really fun for me. There were very few people at Mayo who had had any kind 00:36:26.918 --> 00:36:30.287 of campaign experience, and I'd been at ASU during a couple of our 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.717 campaigns and the last campaign I was more involved with because I was at 00:36:33.750 --> 00:36:37.845 the alumni association, so I was an ex-officio member of the foundation 00:36:37.878 --> 00:36:42.166 board, so I had some exposure and experience and so that was really fun 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:48.767 for me to help build that campaign so. We uh 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:54.675 Had a what at the time seemed like a big goal of $300 million and we 00:36:54.708 --> 00:37:00.227 really blew past it, so it was exciting beyond $300 million yeah, which 00:37:00.260 --> 00:37:03.905 today is nothing at Rutgers we just finished a billion dollar campaign 00:37:03.938 --> 00:37:08.626 December 31st, and, um, billion dollar campaigns are really what people 00:37:08.659 --> 00:37:13.896 are looking at now, so at least at least a billion dollars. It's crazy how 00:37:13.929 --> 00:37:17.635 things have changed. 00:37:17.668 --> 00:37:22.807 Let's move on to the Fred Hutchinson's Cancer Research Center. So yeah, 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.526 it's interesting. I was recruited up there. um, the, the reason I went a 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.526 couple of different things. Um, I was very, very close with the CEO at 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.807 Mayo Clinic in Arizona, Victor Trask, who's a uh cardiothoracic surgeon by 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:40.037 training, and he, um, announced he was stepping down. And they were going 00:37:40.070 --> 00:37:45.796 to bring someone new in, and everyone knew that we had a really great 00:37:45.829 --> 00:37:49.486 relationship and uh. 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.267 I got a call from a recruiter a couple of weeks later saying, I know you 00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:56.486 never listen to these jobs yourself, but this is one you really should 00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.307 look at. And so I was, I said, well, send me the stuff. So he did. So I 00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:03.747 went home to Tom and I said, would you ever consider moving to Seattle? 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:08.095 And to my shock, he said yes. So I went up there to look at it and I was 00:38:08.128 --> 00:38:11.615 just extremely impressed with the place. It's really the gold standard of 00:38:11.648 --> 00:38:17.615 cancer research. It's just an incredible place with brilliant scientists, 00:38:17.648 --> 00:38:21.376 and I thought, well, you know, let me do something wild and crazy and let 00:38:21.409 --> 00:38:25.717 me give the new CEO an opportunity to hire his own person. Uh, as it 00:38:25.750 --> 00:38:29.066 turned out, I worked with the new CEO for a couple of months, and he was 00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:33.546 terrific. I think we would have worked really well together, but, um, I 00:38:33.579 --> 00:38:38.356 went to Fred Hutch and really enjoyed Seattle. It's a beautiful place. Uh 00:38:38.389 --> 00:38:45.296 , Fred Hutch is doing amazing things, but It wasn't diverse enough for me. 00:38:45.329 --> 00:38:51.936 It was all cancer all the time and Mhm. It was tough. I mean, I'm a, you 00:38:51.969 --> 00:38:55.506 know this, I'm a very classist half full person. I jump out of bed every 00:38:55.539 --> 00:39:00.497 morning to get to work and I, I wasn't really feeling that. And so Tom 00:39:00.530 --> 00:39:03.776 said to me one night, do you see yourself there for 5 or 7 more years? And 00:39:03.809 --> 00:39:11.646 I went. No, I I really don't, so I decided maybe I should be open to look 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:16.276 . 00:39:16.309 --> 00:39:22.267 I got a call about this debit records. And uh and over the years I've 00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:24.905 gotten a lot of recruiters, not because I've been looking for jobs 00:39:24.938 --> 00:39:28.146 particularly, but because they always call to want to know who do you know 00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:32.146 and because I have pretty much a lot of national contacts. I always get 00:39:32.179 --> 00:39:36.787 called and so he called and said, OK, I have the perfect job for you. This 00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:41.827 one's for you. And so it was this job at Rutgers because it actually got 00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:45.106 me back in higher ed, which I am thrilled to be back in higher ed. I love 00:39:45.139 --> 00:39:49.345 that environment. And it kept me in medical fundraising, which is truly my 00:39:49.378 --> 00:39:53.006 niche. I mean it truly is. It's, it's the most rewarding thing I've ever 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:59.046 done, um, and it was building a program which I've had to do before and 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:03.526 love, I love doing that. So, uh, it just seemed like, OK, let's do it. I 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:09.155 was ready for one more big challenge, um, and trust me. This is a 00:40:09.188 --> 00:40:14.517 challenge. It's, it's a huge, huge job, lots of responsibility, but I know 00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:18.236 I'll look back in 5 years and say, wow, you know, look what we're able to 00:40:18.269 --> 00:40:22.836 do, and that's kind of my eye on the prize is being able to look back and 00:40:22.869 --> 00:40:27.997 see what we build. How many different units do you work with, 00:40:28.030 --> 00:40:31.557 so this is the area that I work in it's called Rutgers Biomedical and 00:40:31.590 --> 00:40:35.905 Health Sciences. It was a result of the largest integration of in higher 00:40:35.938 --> 00:40:41.287 ed. That ever occurred on July 1, 2013 when a former university of 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:44.365 medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey was dissolved and the units moved 00:40:44.398 --> 00:40:50.327 into Rutgers, so there are 14 units, um, two medical schools, which again 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.925 is unique, um, the only NCI designated comprehensive cancer center in the 00:40:54.958 --> 00:40:59.126 state of New Jersey. The state's only schools of pharmacy, dental medicine. 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:03.845 I've got again, I could go on, it's huge, so I'm really building the 00:41:03.878 --> 00:41:11.497 entire program, um. From scratch, pretty much. 00:41:11.530 --> 00:41:15.017 What, what haven't you done, uh, professionally that you still want to do 00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:21.057 ? Anything? Oh gosh I mean you've been through all these careers and 00:41:21.090 --> 00:41:26.296 successfully through them. You know, I don't, I don't look back and regret 00:41:26.329 --> 00:41:30.736 anything or think, what did I miss? I really don't. I I just feel like I'm 00:41:30.769 --> 00:41:36.695 just always looking to, you know, make a difference and so I, I don't look 00:41:36.728 --> 00:41:42.115 and say. What's not, I look and say, you know, what's here and what can I 00:41:42.148 --> 00:41:47.626 do to accomplish that. So I, I, I, that's, that's not how I approach life 00:41:47.659 --> 00:41:52.916 um doesn't sound like you have too much spare time. Oh my leisure time. No 00:41:52.949 --> 00:41:56.635 , no, I still love to read. I'm, I just, that's my passion is reading, uh 00:41:56.668 --> 00:41:59.925 , and I don't get to do enough of that leisure reading. I did get to read 00:41:59.958 --> 00:42:06.166 on the plane last night. Uh, that flight is long, um, but it's, yeah, I 00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.876 don't get to do enough of that. So I, I still like to read a lot. Uh, I 00:42:09.909 --> 00:42:13.336 always tell a funny story. I ran into a woman when I was in my early 30s, 00:42:13.369 --> 00:42:16.816 and she came up to me and said, this was when I was president of the House 00:42:16.849 --> 00:42:20.456 Corporation board issue for Delta Gamma, and she came to a meeting and 00:42:20.489 --> 00:42:23.296 came up to me afterwards and said, Are you Susan Klaus, which was my 00:42:23.329 --> 00:42:27.287 family name? And I said, Yes. She said, Well, don't you recognize me? I'm 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.977 Mrs. Carroll, your grade school librarian, and I hadn't seen her since the 00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:35.365 6th grade, and, um, I said, How in the world did you recognize me? And she 00:42:35.398 --> 00:42:37.606 said, Well, honey, there weren't many children who spent more time in the 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:41.767 library than you did. And I thought, great, identified as a total nerd by 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:46.206 the 6th grade. Um, so yeah, so I've always loved to read. My mom would 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.787 laugh that one of my sisters and I would read the. You know, ingredients 00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:53.945 on cereal boxes we didn't care what we read, um, so and then I still play 00:42:53.978 --> 00:43:01.236 golf and those are probably the two things I enjoy the most. I, um, as you 00:43:01.269 --> 00:43:06.396 know, I used to be a just a avid runner and um unfortunately I've 00:43:06.429 --> 00:43:10.595 inherited some other things and some arthritis in my back that's now keeps 00:43:10.628 --> 00:43:15.925 you from running, but I try and still keep, keep moving. Yeah, back to ASU 00:43:15.958 --> 00:43:19.986 for a while. 00:43:20.019 --> 00:43:27.006 When you first came they issue. Versus coming back now. What changes, what 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:31.537 monumental changes do you see? Oh gosh, there's so much, but I, I, and I 00:43:31.570 --> 00:43:34.856 do keep in touch. I mean, I do really keep up with the university because 00:43:34.889 --> 00:43:39.956 I'll, you know, I'll always be a sun double. But I'm incredibly impressed 00:43:39.989 --> 00:43:47.537 with With I think how the national reputation has really improved, I think 00:43:47.570 --> 00:43:53.506 that really Michael Crow's tenure has really, he's a 00:43:53.539 --> 00:43:58.925 He's a risk taker and he's a visionary and it's paying off. I think I 00:43:58.958 --> 00:44:02.796 probably am more aware of that because I I don't live here anymore and so 00:44:02.829 --> 00:44:07.756 I do hear about Arizona State, but I'm always thrilled when I tell people 00:44:07.789 --> 00:44:13.595 I'm an alumni and whatever that so many people in academia know ASU and 00:44:13.628 --> 00:44:18.017 they know the term, the new American university and they you know know the 00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:25.276 academic quality and so uh that it was not that way um when I left here. 00:44:25.309 --> 00:44:32.017 You know, we were watching TV Sunday and um one of the national. Analyst 00:44:32.050 --> 00:44:37.615 was talking about President Crow's new book. And, and this is a really 00:44:37.648 --> 00:44:43.256 esteemed, uh, analyst, and he was talking about, you know, how Michael 00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:50.057 Crow has made higher education more affordable and uh. You've probably 00:44:50.090 --> 00:44:54.615 noticed big changes in terms of the amount of funds that we bring in from 00:44:54.648 --> 00:45:01.247 the grants and. Of course it's a real goal of the university. It has to be. 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.686 I mean it really does have to be, and you know we we talk about this all 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:10.365 the time that we we really aren't state institutions anymore. We're state 00:45:10.398 --> 00:45:15.686 assisted at best and maybe state affiliated at worst, so it's really put a 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.206 lot of pressure I think on on higher ed in general and I think ASU has 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.967 done a really remarkable job of looking for additional funding sources in 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.997 order to keep education more affordable. You know it's frustrating when 00:45:28.030 --> 00:45:31.796 our state constitution says that you know that that really higher ed 00:45:31.829 --> 00:45:38.577 should be as close to zero as possible for our students and to to see that 00:45:38.610 --> 00:45:44.827 it just continues to to be eroded again, a major erosion this year so um 00:45:44.860 --> 00:45:48.956 you know that's concerning, but again that's a national issue. I was just 00:45:48.989 --> 00:45:54.967 meeting with um. Uh, a female faculty member at Rutgers yesterday who is 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:58.486 in a leadership program and we were talking specifically about this, 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.405 what's what will higher ed look like in, you know, in 10 years and it's 00:46:02.438 --> 00:46:07.836 gonna be interesting to see if, uh, there's, you know, if, if, if a state 00:46:07.869 --> 00:46:11.925 institution now gets 15% of their funding from the state, that's pretty 00:46:11.958 --> 00:46:17.956 high and so there are. A number that are 10 or less and so if what's gonna 00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:23.385 happen if we lose all that it's it's, it's a scary time and um but I will 00:46:23.418 --> 00:46:27.796 say that I feel as though uh ASU's positioned itself very well to be able 00:46:27.829 --> 00:46:33.307 to weather that um. I don't think, I don't think all higher institutions 00:46:33.340 --> 00:46:36.945 will survive it. Yeah, so when, when Mayo decided to put a medical school 00:46:36.978 --> 00:46:42.865 here, I really wanted us to, uh, try and get bring ASU in on that for a 00:46:42.898 --> 00:46:46.467 lot of reasons. Number one, because, um, I really wanted ASU to get the 00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:50.467 benefit of that affiliation. Uh, the one thing that always drove me crazy 00:46:50.500 --> 00:46:57.365 , uh. As director of admissions and even subsequently was the fact that so 00:46:57.398 --> 00:47:00.686 many of the really good pre-med, almost all the really good pre-med 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.405 students in the state felt they had to go to UFA because that's where the 00:47:03.438 --> 00:47:07.925 med school was, and it made me nuts because it didn't, that didn't have a 00:47:07.958 --> 00:47:11.046 beans difference. It was how you did in your coursework and how you did in 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.606 the MCAT. So the fact that if we could really get a close affiliation with 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.925 Mayo Clinic, I just felt it was really going to be helpful for us to get 00:47:17.958 --> 00:47:24.756 some of those really strong pre-med students to stay here. 00:47:24.789 --> 00:47:28.595 Do you still keep up with a lot of these students? I do. I do. I 00:47:28.628 --> 00:47:32.155 definitely do. As I said, I've got a ton of Facebook friends that are 00:47:32.188 --> 00:47:37.767 former students. I am linked in with a ton of former students. I mean, 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.486 another example would be Amy Golden, who, who I, you know, worked with a 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.727 lot as a student and who's now an assistant dean of students here. She 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.166 left, went and, you know, got a doctorate, um, and lived in in Georgia for 00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:52.646 a while and came back and it's really wonderful to see her back here. So, 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.445 you worked with the, uh, leadership scholarship program, some of the 00:47:55.478 --> 00:48:00.566 students and. The most recent edition of, of the newsletter or of the 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.365 magazine has, do you remember Tom Adjay? Oh, very well, he's, he's 00:48:05.398 --> 00:48:10.695 featured in this most recent newsletter. I remember recruiting him. In 00:48:10.728 --> 00:48:17.436 fact, he, he got one of the largest uh. Payouts from the cigarette 00:48:17.469 --> 00:48:22.595 industry, I think over $300 million at least that's what the newsletter 00:48:22.628 --> 00:48:26.155 said. I just read it last night. I haven't read that yet, but I will, so 00:48:26.188 --> 00:48:30.876 that's that's really great. I love to keep up with them again, I've got a 00:48:30.909 --> 00:48:34.905 ton of them on my Facebook and LinkedIn, so. It is, it's fun to kind of 00:48:34.938 --> 00:48:38.425 see what they're doing there. The success of the leadership scholarship 00:48:38.458 --> 00:48:44.506 students is incredible. Pat Norris is now a judge, isn't it? Pat? Yes, 00:48:44.539 --> 00:48:47.267 she has been. She's a superior court judge, and let me tell you, she was a 00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:51.537 partner at Lewis and Roca for a long time and really was ready to give 00:48:51.570 --> 00:48:54.666 that up and, and had always had in the back of her mind she wanted to be a 00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:59.106 judge. um, and let me tell you, she is absolutely perfect for the role. 00:48:59.139 --> 00:49:04.517 She is a very wise, fair. Person, 00:49:04.550 --> 00:49:09.026 when we were in school, I would borrow her notes because she would take 00:49:09.059 --> 00:49:12.717 incredible notes. She would have them highlighted. She would use color 00:49:12.750 --> 00:49:18.037 coding. She'd put notes in the margin, so I literally would would look at 00:49:18.070 --> 00:49:21.956 her notes before a test and boom, that was all I needed. You know the 00:49:21.989 --> 00:49:25.686 interesting thing is that you work for Christine Wilkinson. But then when 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.836 she became alumni 00:49:28.869 --> 00:49:31.546 director I know it's a she came to you and you helped her on your house 00:49:31.579 --> 00:49:36.497 yeah 00:49:36.530 --> 00:49:37.566 yeah so there's a relationship there, yeah, we still keep in touch and 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.486 there have been a number of times she's um called me or emailed me and 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.206 said, Hey, do you remember this? or can you give me some background on 00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.885 that, or, um, you know, what do you think we should do about this? So yeah 00:49:46.918 --> 00:49:51.276 , I mean, I'll do anything to help AS issue at any time in any way. So you 00:49:51.309 --> 00:49:54.727 would back to ASU. 00:49:54.760 --> 00:50:00.436 Well, I actually got a call, um, last year, uh, about a position at the 00:50:00.469 --> 00:50:06.307 foundation and, um. I'll be honest, I, I would definitely have considered 00:50:06.340 --> 00:50:12.066 it, but I had already accepted this Rutgers job and 00:50:12.099 --> 00:50:16.586 felt like I had made that commitment #1, and number two, the salaries here 00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:24.619 were really not competitive at all. They were offering so much less that. 00:50:25.469 --> 00:50:30.327 it's health care philanthropy is in a different kind of 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.916 Scale, so it'd be hard to go back from that. Although at some point, you 00:50:34.949 --> 00:50:38.445 know, when I'm done building this program, I don't want this kind of a job 00:50:38.478 --> 00:50:41.166 anymore. I mean, I'd like to have a job where I could just raise money and 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:45.807 just go out and build relationships and not have this incredibly complex 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.967 management piece to it. We talked about incoming new students to really 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:56.256 get involved in campus life. And you obviously did, but um, What kind of 00:50:56.289 --> 00:50:59.695 advice would you have for students coming in now in terms of campus 00:50:59.728 --> 00:51:04.256 involvement? I still think it's hugely important. I think one of the huge 00:51:04.289 --> 00:51:09.416 advantages to ASU is that you can do anything and be anything and because 00:51:09.449 --> 00:51:13.436 we do have that breadth and depth and so really think about you know what 00:51:13.469 --> 00:51:17.416 what your values are, what your interests are, and then pursue that 00:51:17.449 --> 00:51:19.977 because you're going to find anything that you want here and you're 00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:24.155 missing a great opportunity if you don't take advantage of that. I really 00:51:24.188 --> 00:51:27.635 didn't realize that. I kind of fell into it in some ways. I mean, I was a 00:51:27.668 --> 00:51:30.945 little bit involved in high school, not that much, because again, I came 00:51:30.978 --> 00:51:33.396 from a single parent home and I had family duties with my younger siblings 00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:39.316 , so I couldn't do a lot of after school school things, but I was really 00:51:39.349 --> 00:51:44.756 obviously a good student and um. So when I came to SSU, I kind of fell 00:51:44.789 --> 00:51:49.436 into that and I was really shy when I, when I came, believe it or not, uh 00:51:49.469 --> 00:51:56.206 , I tell people I'm a trained extrovert, um. Which I think is really true. 00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:01.885 So I would say just don't be afraid and just step out there and look for 00:52:01.918 --> 00:52:07.385 the things that you think are going to give you some. Uh, really, um. 00:52:07.418 --> 00:52:10.467 Learning experiences and you know build you as a person. I tell people 00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:15.307 all the time who I am as a leader and a manager, so much of that started 00:52:15.340 --> 00:52:19.546 as an undergraduate so much of that it gives you an opportunity to to 00:52:19.579 --> 00:52:25.675 learn and to model and to identify mentors and make mistakes and you know 00:52:25.708 --> 00:52:29.615 I've learned this much from people um that I've worked for or worked with 00:52:29.648 --> 00:52:34.925 about what I wanted to be, um, but also what I didn't want to be. So 00:52:34.958 --> 00:52:37.566 unless you put yourself out there, you're not gonna be able to have those 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.767 experiences and they're gonna stay with you. I mean, as I said, a lot of 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:49.635 the stuff that I learned was when I was 18 and 19 years old. 00:52:49.668 --> 00:52:53.876 Well, you never steered away from challenges. I mean, to be in development 00:52:53.909 --> 00:52:57.635 in different aspects. 00:52:57.668 --> 00:53:03.865 It's not a very comfortable field. I wouldn't think all the expectations. 00:53:03.898 --> 00:53:08.856 No, it is. I mean, it is. I mean, honestly. If you if you're passionate 00:53:08.889 --> 00:53:15.686 about, you know, your mission, and again. I tell everyone, um, you can't 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.247 create philanthropic intent in anyone, and I had a fundraiser who worked 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.807 with me at Mayo Clinic who said to me one day, you know, I've just learned 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.967 that there are givers and takers in this world, and our job is to find the 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.655 givers. So if you really just look at that and you don't take things 00:53:30.688 --> 00:53:34.376 personally, um, either people aren't philanthropic or they have other 00:53:34.409 --> 00:53:38.945 interests already, they support their church. They support environmental 00:53:38.978 --> 00:53:41.655 issues. They have 17 grandchildren that they've committed to put through 00:53:41.688 --> 00:53:45.736 college, whatever it is. So it's just finding those people who are 00:53:45.769 --> 00:53:49.217 passionate about your mission and giving them an opportunity to do 00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:52.175 something that's going to make them feel good about it. And so when I look 00:53:52.208 --> 00:53:57.077 at our goals, they're really based on. On reality, you know, there's 00:53:57.110 --> 00:54:01.905 there's an art but also a science of fundraising and so. If people say, oh 00:54:01.938 --> 00:54:04.327 , I'm really intimidated by our goals and whatever, then they haven't 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.376 really looked at the science part. um, you know, interestingly, uh, even 00:54:08.409 --> 00:54:11.925 though I'm all of my degrees were more in the social science area, I'm 00:54:11.958 --> 00:54:18.206 really a data person. um, when I've done kind of these work style things, 00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:22.807 I always come out as on the analytical side as one of my stronger, 00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:28.077 generally the strongest, and so, uh. When we're, when we're looking at 00:54:28.110 --> 00:54:31.477 that, when we're setting goals for when we're setting metrics, it's really 00:54:31.510 --> 00:54:36.276 all based on real information. So you know, people who say they're 00:54:36.309 --> 00:54:41.827 intimidated by that then. either haven't done their homework or Don't 00:54:41.860 --> 00:54:46.767 really like raising money. 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:53.307 You've already had an outstanding career at ASU and beyond. 00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:57.146 So, you could have, uh, stopped and counted your blessings after you left 00:54:57.179 --> 00:55:02.816 ASU, but uh, you're you're still at it and still many, many years at it, I 00:55:02.849 --> 00:55:06.905 guess. Yeah, you know, we'll see. Um, my husband is older than I am and so 00:55:06.938 --> 00:55:12.945 he retired last year and, and so everyone why don't you just retire, but 00:55:12.978 --> 00:55:18.586 I'm not even close to that. I mean, I spent, I took a week off, and Over 00:55:18.619 --> 00:55:23.385 the holidays and I couldn't wait to get back to work. Oh my gosh, I 00:55:23.418 --> 00:55:29.126 thought I was gonna. Go crazy. So it's, you know, I mean Tom, my husband 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:35.727 was a real huge, huge successful working person, but he knew. I mean he 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.646 knew when he was ready to retire and that's I guess what I feel like too 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.566 and one day I'm going to wake up and say, OK, I'm ready, but I can't 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:47.666 imagine when that is. I made a 5 year commitment to Rutgers. I know I'll 00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:51.425 do at least that, and then we'll see from there. You did a lot of 00:55:51.458 --> 00:55:56.307 consulting with major universities. I, I have, I haven't for a number of 00:55:56.340 --> 00:56:00.267 years. I just got kind of burned out by that. I was traveling enough for 00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:04.586 my jobs and I just, I didn't but I enjoy that. I would, you know, again 00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:08.037 when I retire I probably wouldn't mind doing some more of that, but um 00:56:08.070 --> 00:56:11.626 right now I've got, you know, so much to do to build this program that I'm 00:56:11.659 --> 00:56:17.256 in that I'm not, I'm turning everything down, um. But yeah, I do. I like 00:56:17.289 --> 00:56:20.456 that. I mean, gosh, what's a better job to be a consultant to go in, look 00:56:20.489 --> 00:56:24.929 at everybody's problems and tell them how to fix them and then you leave. 00:56:27.570 --> 00:56:29.570 Well, anything else you'd like to comment on, uh, during your just that, 00:56:31.510 --> 00:56:37.526 uh, career and gosh, you know, as you gave me my career, um. Not just some 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.186 academic training, which was great, but just I think just in all the 00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:46.767 opportunities both as a student and as a as a staff member here to um make 00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.807 some mistakes and to learn from mentors like uh Leon Shell and Christine 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:58.106 Wilkinson, Roger Swanson um. And I just think You know we need to pay it 00:56:58.139 --> 00:57:05.546 forward. Well, thanks for letting us talk with you and interview you. Sure. 00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:08.747 Oh yeah, yeah, you know what, our heart's still here. I mean, it kills me 00:57:08.780 --> 00:57:11.586 to not go to not go to ASU football games. We still have our football 00:57:11.619 --> 00:57:15.066 tickets. Oh yeah, we're not giving them up because we want them when we 00:57:15.099 --> 00:57:19.586 retire when I retire. Oh, well, this is why I'm not giving them up. I, I'm 00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:27.577 on the first row of the loge and um. Probably like the 45 yard line, yeah 00:57:27.610 --> 00:57:34.425 , on the west side, so we're not giving those up. 00:57:34.458 --> 00:57:37.336 Charlie. Oh sure, yep, Charlie and I are, yeah, we're, yeah, we're 00:57:37.369 --> 00:57:41.497 LinkedIn friends and yeah, Charlie's great. She's really great. I still, I 00:57:41.530 --> 00:57:46.217 mean, honestly, I'm, I have to say I haven't been here since 200, I don't 00:57:46.250 --> 00:57:51.945 even know, 2002 maybe, so I'd have to look at my resume, but, um, uh. Oh 00:57:51.978 --> 00:57:56.227 you mean Yeah, yeah, I haven't been helped us out with a program at the 00:57:56.260 --> 00:58:00.986 clinic. Yeah, sure, but you haven't been, yeah, I remember that, but I 00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:04.467 haven't been, um, at ASU since I think 2002, and it's amazing how many 00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:08.666 people I still keep in touch with. Yeah, so it was such a big part of my 00:58:08.699 --> 00:58:12.307 life. Yeah, thanks. There are lots of things I miss really, but let me 00:58:12.340 --> 00:58:14.719 take this off.