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 For the divorce. You were kind of summarizing though, which is always

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good for us to have a proper ending.

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So when I was suggesting that maybe
you, you were saying it was really

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hard, and I think you were about to
say it was really hard, but it was

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worth it. You know what I mean? Like
something that makes it, I don't know.

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Well, it was very, very difficult, the
divorce process because it took 7

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years and I tried to make things as
normal for the kids as I could so I

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would drive them, you know, to school
40 miles away from home at that time

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, John was potty training, so he'd be
in the car. I've gotta go. I've

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gotta go so I'd be pulling over and
letting him tinkle outside the car. Um

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, the hard part for me was the divorce
took so long and I had no family

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there, no help. It was um. Seriously

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Insanity and Mike tried to make it
even though he wanted all those

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children, he tried to make it as hard
as he possibly could and he would

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fight for visitation but then not take
any of it or take the kids and then

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bring them back, you know, two hours
later whether there was someone there

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or not and um so I really felt like
gosh, the sole responsibility for this

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family is on me. When I said it was
difficult, but, uh, but it was worth

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it. I meant the having of the kids
though. Did you, I mean, because you're

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in this tumultuous, challenging at
least, difficult. At least with

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marriage, um, you know, but you
obviously must have had a very strong love

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for Mike to, you know, keep having
children with him and, or at least some

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sort of um Um, uh, optimism. About the
marriage. I had a very strong love

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for Mike. I truly was very deeply in
love with him. I think Mike was not

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in love with himself and um. So I kept
trying to give him things that

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would then make him happy if he wanted
another baby, then he'll be happy

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if we built a big house, maybe then
he'll be happy, but people who aren't

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happy with themselves are just not
going to be happy no matter what you

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give them. But I was very thrilled to
have the children and um it's even

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in my later years in life, although
I'm only 62 um having them as best

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friends is. Truly awesome.

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I think that's a good ending
statement, yeah, that's good. Thank you, mom.