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 This is Boris Solis interviewing Ayesha Brownlee for the Creative Push

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project on September 19th at 11 11:20.
All right, so we're recording.

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Great. So yeah, why don't you go ahead
and tell us a little bit about

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yourself. I'm Ayesha Brownlee. I go by
Shay. I'm married to a wonderful

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handsome gentleman, and we have one
beautiful daughter together. We live

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in Levine. We're awesome. What more
can I say? We're awesome. OK. Are we

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good? OK. OK, so if you feel
comfortable, go ahead and take us back as far.

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OK, how many, how many children do you
have? Just the one. Just the one.

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OK. That keeps it simple. Um, OK, so
if you could take us back to the

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conception, maybe, um, tell us a
little bit about that, what you planned,

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maybe, um, place it in terms of
season, like any sort of anything that can

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give us some sense of um location, you
know, to orient ourselves. OK, um,

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it was 2013.

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I had finished law school. We decided
that now is the time to try and

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conceive. We started. As soon as I
graduated, so that was 2012, May 2012.

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Nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened. January came,

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nothing happened. Um, March 2013. I
thought I was pregnant. We were in San

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Diego on vacation, no period. I'm
like, yes, I'm pregnant and we've all,

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nearly every woman has had that moment
where it's like, uh oh, I'm about

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to stain my clothes. I'm at a
restaurant. I freak out, go to the bathroom

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, of course. Not pregnant. I'm crying.
He's holding me. I'm crying. I'm

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sobbing at the table. Like I just knew
I was pregnant. I bought this cute

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little sleeper that I was going to
give to you when I found out I was

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pregnant. Don't worry about it. We'll
be pregnant this time next year.

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Just give it a year. No one wants to
hear that, but what are you going to

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do? So we kept trying. We went out of
state in June, we went to Kansas

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City, Missouri. And uh it was for his
job. So there's like his students,

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he's a teacher. His students are in
the very next room and we had a

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conversation. And this is horrible,
but the conversation led to what was

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the best sex you ever had, and I am a
true Scorpio in that don't ask me

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anything unless you want the hard
truth, and I informed my husband that he

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was not the best sex I ever had, which
is horrible. Looking back, lying is

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worth it in some situations. But I
didn't, it was just the sex, not like

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the whole experience. If we were
talking about the total the totality of

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the circumstances, totally would have
been him, but just like raw primal

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sex, some other guy. So he got mad and
we had angry sex and I guess that's

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how you get pregnant, being upset with
your mate.

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We, you know, we didn't really make
up. We just had angry sex and watched

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Cops, I think, and um. You know, we
went on about business as usual. I

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didn't think he was that upset. I
found out later how angry that angry sex

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really was. Well, the world may never
know even to this day, uh, we get

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home. And the day we got back, he had
to wash clothes, repack, and I had

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to take him to the airport. And while
he, he went to Indiana, I think.

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Heaven knows where he was. He was gone
and we got into an epic fight

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while he was away on vacation or not
on vacation on, on for business and

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In the meantime, you know, there's a
signal that that you're pregnant. I

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didn't know this was a signal. It was
like this little flecks of white

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stuff in the toilet when you urinate.
I was like, well, maybe I just had

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some random toilet paper in there. I
don't know, you make up stuff when

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you don't know. And um I was like,
that's really weird. It happened 3 days

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straight. Meanwhile, I'm arguing with
my husband every time we speak and

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I'm like, I bet you I'm knocked up
because I'm angry. I'm mad, I'm

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freaking furious, darn it. We had one
last argument and he had decided, he

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didn't tell me, but he had decided
when he came home, we were going to

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divvy up assets, sign papers like this
is it, this is over. Meanwhile, I'm

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on um where was I? um uh over on
Tatum. That big shopping center. I was, I

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was shopping for maxi dresses because
it was 100 in hell outside and I was

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angry about that too. I'm on the phone
with my mother. I'm like, why is it

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so blankety blanking hot? I hate this.
She said, Well, you're over 30. I'm

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like, I've been over 30 for a minute
now. Like this summer is no different

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than any other summer. I'm just
blanking and blanking hot, and I can't

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find blankety blanking dresses to fit
my blankety blanking small size. I

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probably should shop where all the fat
girls shop. Where do they shop so I

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can find a dress in a size 2. And My
mother didn't say a word. I went home.

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I was still angry. And took a
pregnancy test the next morning and I was

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like, Oh, that's why I'm so hot. I'm
knocked up. Crap.

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And I had one last argument with my
husband that day. And like what is

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wrong with you? You're. You're
pregnant, dummy. He's coming home, and he

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came home and I presented him with a
box and it was filled with goodies

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like diapers, wipes, powder, onesies,
and it had a card on top. And it had

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a B for our last name and I put it in
a big Ralph Lauren box because

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that's our signature family label,
whatever. Gave it to him He's like,

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What is this? I said, just open it. He
opens it. He looks at the stuff.

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He's like, Well, what is this? I said,
Well, read the card. And it said,

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Dear daddy, see you in March. He's
like What? You're pregnant? You're not

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pregnant. I was like, Yeah, actually I
am. He says, No, no, no, you're not

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pregnant. Yeah, I'm pregnant. I am.
He's like, Well, take a test. He said

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, took one. He's like, We'll take
another one. I said, Take several.

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That's how us ladies do. We take
several tests. I'm seriously pregnant. He

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was like, Huh. All right, so I guess
that was when he kind of shredded the

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, the virtual divorce documents.

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We told the moms the next week, we
presented them with little bowls and

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spoons because they, you know, they're
typical black mothers. They like to

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feed you, that's what we do. So
everybody was excited and it was, it was

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planned, but It was not planned to be
at such a horrible, you know, it

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wasn't good timing. I wasn't working
like it was. Not cool, but you know,

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the pregnancy went great. We went to
the first. Um, because I went to a

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fertility specialist to see what the
age was wrong with me. Nothing was

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wrong. I just was coming off of 1617
years of Deborah Provera and um the

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first ultrasound he went to, I forgot
to prep him when you're so early on

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, it's not the cute abdominal device,
it's the, you know, long dildo with

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the condom on it type of device, and
he was mortified.

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He was mortified. He was like, Oh my
God, he's like turning gray, he's

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sweating. I felt so bad for the guy. I
was like, it's it's OK. Don't worry

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, it doesn't hurt. It's slightly
uncomfortable, but whatever. This is how

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it goes. This is part of being a
woman. We use strange devices and

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equipment to make sure we're healthy
and um. He was fine with that. The

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next. The next appointment he came.
was when he heard the heartbeat. He

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didn't want to be in the room. I
demanded he'd be in the room, and he's in

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there, and he heard that heartbeat,
and he got up and he left. And the the

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nurse was like, Is he OK? Like, did
you guys have some sort of lover's

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quarrel in the waiting room? I was
like, No, he's fine. He sent me a text

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and he said, I'm OK. I'm in the
parking lot. I'm OK. I'm I'm just

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overwhelmed with emotion, because he's
always wanted a daughter. He's

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always wanted a daughter. And of
course at that time we didn't know, she

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just looked like this little gummy
bear on the screen and. He was crying.

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So I went downstairs after we had
finished up. Everything was fine. And I

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said, Are you all right? He says,
Yeah, I'm good. Let's go eat. And he was

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still messed up through the whole
meal, like when we got engaged, he was

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messed up through the whole meal. He
couldn't believe this life event was

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happening. But when we found out it
was a girl. I mean, he. Boo hooted up

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like he was praising God and crying,
and he got on his knees and he was

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just like. God, you're real, you're
real. Like you promised me and your

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promises are coming to pass. Like I
can't believe it. You're That's my

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daughter. I'm finally having a
daughter. I can't believe it. And I'm like

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, Well, I was kind of hoping for a
son, but you know, you know, baby's

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healthy, it's all good, you know,
she's and you know when you see him, it

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was a 3D in a theater thing. It was
totally over the top, but whatever.

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And she, she sleeps like I sleep with
her hands in her face. And I was

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like that is so odd and the scripture
really came to life when we were

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there through the ultrasound because
it says in the word of God that you

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know. You knew me before you knitted
me in my mother's womb. And to see

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that image it was like, this is the
knitting. Because you know it's not

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like when a piece of paper comes
through a printer and it prints from top

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to bottom or bottom to top, it's like
inside out. We are expanding, we're

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ever expanding, expanding like the
universe, and I got to see that on the

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screen. That was that was just so
moving, so incredible. My pregnancy was

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awesome. I looked like I had a
basketball in my shirt. This guy actually

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at the dollar store asked me to pass
him the rock like they say on the

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basketball court, and he kind of
gestured like, Hand me the rock, hand me

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the rock. And he did this like
basketball move. Strange fellow but very

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funny. My job, I finally got a job. I
was temping. They didn't know I was

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pregnant till I actually said
something and even then they were like. Well

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, you're carrying this way, you're
having a girl, you're carrying this way

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, you're having a boy. I'm like, No,
we already know it's it's a girl.

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Well, you have to wait. No, we've been
there. I'm super duper pregnant.

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I'm 6 months along. I know what's
going on now. I'm just one of those

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fortunate broads who's able to just
make it happen. And it was a great,

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great pregnancy. I all I wanted to eat
was hamburgers. I was so ashamed

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when I was craving Burger King. Like
that is the worst burger. The worst

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burger on the face of the planet. Oh,
it was awful. But I, I mean, I was

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good. I was very happy. I was, I only
got morning sickness twice, which

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was awesome. I'd never cursed and
cried out to God at the same time. The

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first time I was, I drank some coffee
and I ate some apples and I got so

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sick. And you know when when you vomit
like as a regular non-pregnant

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person, it sucks. But when you vomit
as a pregnant lady, it's like the

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Incredible Hulk reaches down your
throat and rips your all your innards

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out and there's nothing you can do and
it's like, you know, I need Bruce.

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back. Hurry, hurry. Stop. So I'm like
cursing like, God, if you told me

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to be fruitful and multiply, if you
don't stop this, I will never have sex

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with my husband again. This marriage
will end. There will be no more

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children coming through this vessel.
Like, please stop. You have to stop

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this. And it stopped. Like right then,
didn't get sick again till like

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month 8, and I think that was just
some weird, you know, we all have weird

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fluky like I'm just going to be sick
right now kind of things, but that

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was it. That was great. Um, When it
came time for her to show up. Oh

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heavens, that was amazing. So we went
through a birth center and so it was

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like all natural and super crunchy. I
didn't realize what a hippie I

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really was until I got pregnant. I'm
like, no, no, I just need wine.

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That's all I need. I drink wine and
water and I eat jerky and vegetables,

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but hamburgers too, because I will
sacrifice cows for the for the cause

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and I um. The, the, I was, I was
teaching. Was I teaching yet? No, my

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husband was teaching and he asked me
to grade him some papers, grade

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papers for him. And so I

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Wait, I have to go back.

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One particular Sunday, I don't know
what it was. I woke up and I heard. Um

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, I think it was 12 more weeks. I was
like, that's a weird thing to hear

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first thing in the morning, 12 more
weeks or so it was so many weeks or so

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many days. I don't remember, but I
calendared it. And it came out to, I

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was going to have this baby in my 38th
week, which I had hoped for. I had

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prayed for and my mom had both me and
my brother at 38 weeks. I was like,

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yeah, that's perfect. And you know why
it's perfect? Because it's spring

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freaking break. Like, yes, let's have
a spring break, baby. That's awesome.

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The theme for my, um, both of my baby
showers was March Madness because

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who doesn't love March Madness? It's
awesome. So anyhow. This was week 38

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and my husband pointed to my belly on
the 12th, which was a Wednesday, and

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he was talking to my belly and he
said, Alyn, this is your father. You

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need to come out this week. We got
stuff to do. So get it together and you

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got to get out. This is your official
eviction notice. You need out, OK?

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OK, thank you for cooperating. She
didn't come the next day, so I was kind

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of bummed, but I was cool because, you
know, I was still in my

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thirty-eighth week. I had a little bit
of time. She could bake a little

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longer. Thursday night. It's 11
o'clock and I had told her earlier in the

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day. I was rubbing my belly. I said,
baby, look. I need you to, you got to

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come out this week, like in the next
few days, but can you please wait

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till I do all the laundry? I have to
unload and reload the dishwasher. And

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I got to grade these papers. Oh, and I
have to put the car seats in the

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car after that. It's, it's your world,
girl. Like you make it happen. So I

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finished the laundry. I finished the
last paper. At like 10:30.

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And I'm just sitting in bed and my
neighbor, she was a car seat installer.

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She was certified. She said, Oh, she
texted me, I saw your light on. Are

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you ready to go? Can we put the car
seats in now because you're like super

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duper pregnant? Sure, let's roll. I
get all my clothes on. I was like,

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Well, let me go to the bathroom
because you know as pregnant gals, I can't

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pee myself. Like my pride is too
strong. Like I cannot pee on myself. So I

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go to the bathroom and I'm going and
I'm like, that's really a lot. Like

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That's a lot. And you know how we do,
we look in the bowl like did

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something just happen? And it was kind
of murky. I'm like, what would make

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my urine so murky? What on earth did I
drink? I didn't, I've been drinking

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water. I'm good, so. I go out, we
install the first one. And I was like,

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You know, that was really weird. I'm
still like, it's still on my mind,

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this whole strange looking pee thing,
and she has a child. And I said, Hm

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, I think my water broke. She was
like, What did you just say? I said, I

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think my water broke. No, no, hoe.
Like, no. This is this is not even the

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business. Why are you so calm? I said.
I don't know, but let me go to the

00:16:57.509 --> 00:17:00.816
bathroom so we can get the other one
in and you know let's handle it. So I

00:17:00.849 --> 00:17:04.456
go and I pee again and it's just like
a lot. I'm like, OK, yeah, my water

00:17:04.489 --> 00:17:09.147
broke, it's cool. So I go on out. I
said, Yeah, my water broke. She said,

00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:12.535
Why aren't you panicking? I said, from
what I hear, this is going to be a

00:17:12.568 --> 00:17:16.176
long process, so I need to, I need to
take it easy. I'm just gonna ride

00:17:16.209 --> 00:17:21.276
this out. She says. You really need to
tell your husband. I said, Oh no,

00:17:21.309 --> 00:17:25.476
ma'am. This was his long day. He
worked all day and then went to class and

00:17:25.509 --> 00:17:29.795
worked his second job. Mm mm. I need,
I need all hands on deck. I need

00:17:29.828 --> 00:17:35.156
hands to be rested on deck. He's
staying asleep. I'm, I'm gonna handle

00:17:35.189 --> 00:17:39.456
this. There's nothing he can do
anyway. What's he going to do? Hold my

00:17:39.489 --> 00:17:46.006
hand. I don't think so. So we
installed the 2nd seat. And I go inside, I

00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:50.526
call my nurse. I was like, Yo, I think
my water broke. She said, OK, and

00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:54.006
she asked me some questions. I don't
remember what they were. And then,

00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:59.166
but I do remember her saying, go to
sleep. And I was like, you're crazy.

00:17:59.199 --> 00:18:05.976
I'm too excited. It is 11:30. At
night, she says, you've been up all day.

00:18:06.009 --> 00:18:10.045
You need your sleep. I like, I'm wait
it's like Christmas Eve. I cannot

00:18:10.078 --> 00:18:13.496
go to sleep. She said, whatever. Take
your butt to bed. Call me later if

00:18:13.529 --> 00:18:17.456
anything changes. I said, I am gonna
get in the shower cause I'm starting

00:18:17.489 --> 00:18:21.976
to feel it. So I sit on my ball, I get
in the shower, I'm humming, you

00:18:22.009 --> 00:18:25.575
know, the little birthing moan sounds,
you make the same noises getting it

00:18:25.608 --> 00:18:29.347
in as you do getting it out, so.

00:18:29.380 --> 00:18:34.387
I'm just moaning and. You know, it's
getting more intense and I'm getting

00:18:34.420 --> 00:18:40.055
tired and. It's like, well, this
isn't, this isn't what I thought it would

00:18:40.088 --> 00:18:45.575
be, but. OK, so I call her back later.
She says, Well, meet me at the

00:18:45.608 --> 00:18:48.897
birth center at 1:30ish.

00:18:48.930 --> 00:18:51.295
Like 1:30.

00:18:51.328 --> 00:18:55.575
OK, so I try to lay down. I can't. I
wake my husband up at one. I said,

00:18:55.608 --> 00:19:00.565
look, it's go time. I wanted to let
you sleep as long as possible, but I

00:19:00.598 --> 00:19:03.585
wanted to give you time enough because
it was like 6 minutes away from our

00:19:03.618 --> 00:19:06.406
apartment. I said, I wanted to give
you time enough to shower if you

00:19:06.439 --> 00:19:09.686
wanted to pray, if you need to get
your mind right, get your head in the

00:19:09.719 --> 00:19:13.045
game, whatever you have to do. And he
looked at me and he said, I wondered

00:19:13.078 --> 00:19:15.726
what the hell was going on in there.
Why are you making all those mating

00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:17.936
calls?

00:19:17.969 --> 00:19:24.456
And I said, Well, you know, I'm, I'm
expanding, movements happening. We

00:19:24.489 --> 00:19:29.176
get up, there's not enough time to go
to Waterburger. It's raining. I'm

00:19:29.209 --> 00:19:34.496
starving. I'm so disappointed. We go
to the birth center, she's there,

00:19:34.529 --> 00:19:38.897
she's ready, and she looks at me and
looking back she knew like, you are

00:19:38.930 --> 00:19:43.696
such a fool. Take your ass back home.
It is not time. So she looks at me,

00:19:43.729 --> 00:19:48.035
she checks me out and she says,

00:19:48.068 --> 00:19:53.476
Yeah, you are a face, but you're only
1 centimeter. Like I'll break the

00:19:53.509 --> 00:19:58.045
rest of your water, but you got to go.
And my husband, he's like set the

00:19:58.078 --> 00:20:02.696
mood, he's got his music going, he's
laid out all this stuff like, and

00:20:02.729 --> 00:20:08.805
he's so disappointed. He is furious.
Why can't we stay? Why can't, I said

00:20:08.838 --> 00:20:13.246
they cannot take us. It's like
outpatient. I'm just not progressed enough

00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:15.857
for this, so let's just go home. I've
already called my mother who's

00:20:15.890 --> 00:20:19.555
coming from Chandler to Central
Phoenix. So I call her back. I said,

00:20:19.588 --> 00:20:23.476
they're not taking us. He calls his
mom and says, just stay home, don't

00:20:23.509 --> 00:20:26.315
worry about it because it's Thursday
night, people got to work on Friday.

00:20:26.348 --> 00:20:33.696
My mom's retired. So she comes anyway.
She meets us at the apartment. And

00:20:33.729 --> 00:20:40.186
you know, we're just going through it
and I'm laboring in things. I

00:20:40.219 --> 00:20:44.627
started getting tired because every
contraction I had to be standing or

00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:51.107
walking. And now my legs are tired and
I was like, I'm getting stressed

00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:54.946
out. I said, Somebody get me a glass
of wine. My husband gets one of those

00:20:54.979 --> 00:21:01.585
big old like dollar store cups and
fills it halfway with red wine and I

00:21:01.618 --> 00:21:07.117
just chug it. And I sit there and
like, all right, I got relaxed enough

00:21:07.150 --> 00:21:14.236
for things to kick in the high gear.
So after that, it was on. Like

00:21:14.269 --> 00:21:17.996
everything just changed. There was
poop, there was blood. I had asked my

00:21:18.029 --> 00:21:21.637
husband before my mom got there to run
me a bath. I was like, Well, maybe

00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:26.717
I can get in the bathtub. The plug was
in the water. He's grossed out. I

00:21:26.750 --> 00:21:30.717
hate the water on my body. It hurts
and you know I don't have a fancy tub

00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:36.476
. I have a raggedy ghetto apartment
tub, so I can't really fit comfortably.

00:21:36.509 --> 00:21:39.756
It was awful and I'm screaming, Help
me out, help me out. And he's like,

00:21:39.789 --> 00:21:45.607
the plugs in the water. I can't look.
Awful. You mean the mucus? Yeah, it

00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:48.617
was it was in the water.

00:21:48.650 --> 00:21:55.075
He's so grossed out. So, but my mom
gets there, I'm out of the tub and I

00:21:55.108 --> 00:22:01.335
have just a bikini top on. I'm all
fours in our bedroom, and I'm sure this

00:22:01.368 --> 00:22:04.976
is forever burned in his memory and he
would not touch me for five months

00:22:05.009 --> 00:22:10.736
after this thing. Well, You know, when
the baby comes down, everything's

00:22:10.769 --> 00:22:15.976
got to come out. So I look, my mom's
there, she's rubbing my back. I'm on

00:22:16.009 --> 00:22:22.526
all fours and I said, I gotta take a
dump just like that. And she's like,

00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:27.926
well, dump. And so I'm like bearing
down. I'm thinking I'm taking the

00:22:27.959 --> 00:22:33.726
bowel movement of the ages. I think
I'm like a Tonka truck, dump truck,

00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.647
making it happen and I managed to look
back and it's like this little

00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:45.637
bitty Hershey kids, like a sugar daddy
and I was so disappointed.

00:22:45.670 --> 00:22:49.295
I was never more disappointed in
anything I'd ever done than when I looked

00:22:49.328 --> 00:22:56.545
back at that little bitty mini turd
for all the work.

00:22:56.578 --> 00:23:00.847
But I didn't have time to like delve
into my emotions. I really had to get

00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:05.656
my head back in the game. So my mom's
cleaning me. My husband is turning

00:23:05.689 --> 00:23:10.776
like all colors of green. He's like,
You're taking a dump in our bedroom.

00:23:10.809 --> 00:23:15.887
 All my Ralph Lauren towels.

00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.926
I cannot wait to make this part of my
standup routine because it was

00:23:19.959 --> 00:23:27.035
hilarious. Anyhow, mom cleans up the
poop and we're going, now I've, of

00:23:27.068 --> 00:23:32.426
course, I've lost track of all time.
Time, space, energy, everything has

00:23:32.459 --> 00:23:36.637
just gone away. It's just me trying to
figure out how this baby's getting

00:23:36.670 --> 00:23:42.137
out. And I I remember looking up at
the clock and saying, why the hell

00:23:42.170 --> 00:23:47.016
haven't we called a nurse yet? I said,
Where is a doula? My mom's acting

00:23:47.049 --> 00:23:50.196
as my doula. They're supposed to send
a doula. They know I'm in labor.

00:23:50.229 --> 00:23:55.736
What's up? And I said, call the number
on the fridge and dial 4 and we

00:23:55.769 --> 00:24:00.897
get the nurse and my husband, poor
guy. I really did myself a disservice

00:24:00.930 --> 00:24:06.906
on making him be a part of this
because he was totally. Not with it. He

00:24:06.939 --> 00:24:10.467
told me he didn't want to do it. I
demanded it. Big marriage mistake.

00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:15.467
Listen to your husband. Lesson number
1,844.

00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:23.500
So, We call the nurse, they have a
conversation. And basically, it's be at

00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:31.555
the the Center

00:24:31.588 --> 00:24:39.266
I guess it was meet me there in an
hour. Which turned out to be, I don't

00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:45.166
know, 4-ish, 5-ish, I don't recall.
Anyhow, I remember an hour because she

00:24:45.199 --> 00:24:49.686
was way out on the west side coming
into Central Phoenix. So I'm just

00:24:49.719 --> 00:24:53.756
rocking it out like I'm just at the
house, you know, throwing my body

00:24:53.789 --> 00:24:59.117
weight on my husband, and there was
one moment where he said, um, I told

00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:03.967
him, I said, Help me breathe. Help me
breathe. And he was like, You're

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.367
breathing just fine. You're talking,
you know, like no husband. That's not

00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:13.545
what I'm talking about. Breathe with
me. And so I'm holding him with my

00:25:13.578 --> 00:25:18.075
arms over his shoulders. We're swaying
back and forth and I was like, just

00:25:18.108 --> 00:25:21.976
breathe with me, just breathe with me.
And so he's totally, I'm sure I

00:25:22.009 --> 00:25:29.206
reek of poo and birth and he's like
totally being the the uber supportive

00:25:29.239 --> 00:25:34.736
husband as he's so grossed out. And I
said, Tell me why I'm doing this.

00:25:34.769 --> 00:25:38.496
remind me why I'm not going to the
hospital, why I don't need the drugs.

00:25:38.529 --> 00:25:42.256
He's like, because you're a fucking
beast. That's why, like, you're the

00:25:42.289 --> 00:25:45.976
freaking man. Let's do this. You've
got this. I'm like, you're right. And

00:25:46.009 --> 00:25:50.335
I like push away from him like, I'm
having this baby, that's all I needed.

00:25:50.368 --> 00:25:55.397
And then it came time to leave the
house.

00:25:55.430 --> 00:25:59.446
And my mom's like, OK, let's go. And I
had this raggedy little sundress

00:25:59.479 --> 00:26:02.805
that it had a hole in it. That's why I
chose to birth in it because it was

00:26:02.838 --> 00:26:07.815
on its way out. And she's helping me
put on my dress and I said, I can't

00:26:07.848 --> 00:26:13.166
go. I cannot go. She's like, Whatever.
Put your depends on and let's get

00:26:13.199 --> 00:26:16.986
this dress on and let's go. And as I'm
pulling up my depends, I'm like,

00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:22.325
I'm not going to make it. She's
coming. She's going to be here. Don't you

00:26:22.358 --> 00:26:27.006
we're not going to make it. It's 6
minutes with stop lights, and I'm

00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.986
telling them I'm not going to make it.
My husband goes to get the Jeep and

00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:34.706
my mom's like tugging me along. Come
on, we got to go. I'm not going to

00:26:34.739 --> 00:26:39.766
make it, mom. I sound like I'm 4. No,
mom, it's not going to happen. She's

00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:44.045
like, Shut up. Where are your are your
shoes? And I put my shoes on and

00:26:44.078 --> 00:26:48.656
said, I'm not going to make it. I'm
not. And we start to leave and I said

00:26:48.689 --> 00:26:51.696
, wait, where are my glasses? She
says, Of all the times to worry about

00:26:51.729 --> 00:26:55.936
your glasses, it's now. I said, Well,
mom, I want to actually see my child

00:26:55.969 --> 00:27:00.575
because I cannot see without my
glasses. So we get my glasses and we're

00:27:00.608 --> 00:27:04.936
walking up it's 3 steps up from our
apartment up to the sidewalk and I'm

00:27:04.969 --> 00:27:10.097
still saying I'm not gonna make it.
She's coming, she's coming. Oh, I

00:27:10.130 --> 00:27:13.897
missed a part. Back to when we're in
the house, when I'm putting my shoes

00:27:13.930 --> 00:27:21.930
on, that was the ring of fire moment.
And I was like, Oh, OK. Wow. I said

00:27:24.588 --> 00:27:28.717
, yeah, I'm not going to make it.
Like, what just happened? I said, she's

00:27:28.750 --> 00:27:33.906
coming. Like she's totally coming. So
then we get outside and she presents

00:27:33.939 --> 00:27:36.996
me to the Jeep.

00:27:37.029 --> 00:27:40.926
And I look at the Jeep and I'm having
this moment like I never really

00:27:40.959 --> 00:27:44.996
figured out how I was going to get in
this car while pregnant. This is why

00:27:45.029 --> 00:27:50.217
everybody said pregnancy car rides are
the worst. So she's like, get in.

00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:54.686
I'm like, how? I don't know. I don't
know how to maneuver this, how did

00:27:54.719 --> 00:27:59.256
this gut and this, no, I have on a
diaper and there's a head coming out of

00:27:59.289 --> 00:28:04.746
my vagina. I totally can't figure this
out. So she tells me to put my

00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:09.226
knees in the seat and hug the seat.
I'm like, OK, and she I think she even

00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:13.065
put the seat belt on me, which is
really awkward and weird, but isn't that

00:28:13.098 --> 00:28:19.196
what moms do? Safety first. So we're
traveling in the hallway. I have my

00:28:19.229 --> 00:28:22.367
eyes closed and I'm hugging the seat.
I'm telling my husband, she's coming

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:27.107
, Dre, she's coming, she's coming.
He's like, well just hold on. I'm like

00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:31.226
, no, that's not how this works. She's
coming. Hold on, we're almost there.

00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:36.785
I said, we're not gonna make it. Like
she's she's coming. I'm feeling her

00:28:36.818 --> 00:28:40.857
in my diaper. Like thank God for
depends because I could not afford to

00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:48.890
detail that Jeep. So I'm all for
depends during labor and We get there And

00:28:51.029 --> 00:28:56.647
I miraculously, it felt like I jumped
out of the jeep and I'm standing

00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:01.526
there and I'm like, my baby is qui.

00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.526
And my husband looks at me like a
puppy dog and kind of tilts his head to

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:10.967
the side and says, Well, let's go. I
said, And apparently my facial

00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.597
expression and body language informed
him that I could not walk. So he

00:29:15.630 --> 00:29:21.206
scoops me up and he felt her head on
his arm through the diaper. And my

00:29:21.239 --> 00:29:24.766
mom has since pulled up and got out of
her car. He says, the baby's here,

00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.967
let's go. So she runs and opens the
door to the birth center. My husband

00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.847
runs in with me behind her, and he
drops me on this oversized beanbag

00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:40.736
chair. Now pause. When we took a tour
of the birth center, my husband

00:29:40.769 --> 00:29:45.097
pointed at that that darn beanbag
chair and asked if he could, where did

00:29:45.130 --> 00:29:49.176
they get one? You know, how, how did
you get this? Where is it? And you're

00:29:49.209 --> 00:29:52.857
like, Oh, you get them at Costco.
That's, you know, someone's had a baby

00:29:52.890 --> 00:29:56.496
on that. And he was like, Well, I
don't want to sit on it now. He's like,

00:29:56.529 --> 00:30:01.847
no, we replace it, you know, and we
toss the old ones. Well, guess who was

00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:07.676
born on the beanbag chair after one
push? He drops me on the beanbag chair.

00:30:07.709 --> 00:30:13.436
The nurse is like floored by what has
happened because it's only been 5.5

00:30:13.469 --> 00:30:19.246
hours since this began. She's like,
What is going on? Like, the baby's

00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:25.226
coming. She rips off my diaper. She
says, Oh God, um, one push. One push,

00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:30.647
baby's out. They're talking, oh, she's
so beautiful. I'm like, newborn

00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.726
babies aren't beautiful. Oh, they're
scary. They look like wet rats. But

00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:35.766
anyway,

00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.127
I'm asking, what time is it? What time
is it? I want to know what time she

00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.686
was born. 5:10.

00:30:42.719 --> 00:30:45.065
5:10

00:30:45.098 --> 00:30:53.098
At 11 o'clock. I was grading papers.
5:10. I'm a mom. That's crazy. So

00:30:54.239 --> 00:31:00.246
she's out and my husband is.
Unfortunately, my husband got the money shot

00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.887
from across the room because he
dropped me on the beanbag chair and he

00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:10.026
went around and he looked back and got
to see that whole knocked up shot

00:31:10.059 --> 00:31:14.325
from the movie. Yeah, I felt really
bad for him because I'm sure every

00:31:14.358 --> 00:31:18.867
time he closed his eyes for the next 3
months, that was the vision. And um

00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:22.266
he was just over the moon. He didn't
want to cut the cord. I cut it. That

00:31:22.299 --> 00:31:26.426
was pretty cool. And my daughter had
an extra finger on her left hand. I

00:31:26.459 --> 00:31:33.097
have them on both hands, but she had
one just on her left. And um he, he

00:31:33.130 --> 00:31:39.107
was holding her and my mom was with
me. I couldn't deliver the placenta.

00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:43.117
It took me almost an hour, and if I,
if I didn't get it out in an hour,

00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:46.597
they were gonna transfer me to the
hospital. And the reason it didn't come

00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:49.637
out was because I was on that freaking
beanbag chair. It's hard to get

00:31:49.670 --> 00:31:52.996
your bearings on that. So I'd gone in
the other room and it still took a

00:31:53.029 --> 00:31:59.055
while. Then my body temperature
dropped. I'm always cold. I'm, my hands

00:31:59.088 --> 00:32:04.406
are cold right now and my daughter,
her body temperature wouldn't come up

00:32:04.439 --> 00:32:07.575
and you know, we're doing the whole
skin to skin thing and I'm like, I'm

00:32:07.608 --> 00:32:12.766
cold, she's not going to warm up,
whatever. And um Then she didn't want to

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:20.285
latch. I should have known then. She's
like me. I don't eat when I'm cold.

00:32:20.318 --> 00:32:24.357
It's not going to happen and she did
not eat. She was like, screw that.

00:32:24.390 --> 00:32:29.996
I'm cool. I'm actually really cool.
I'm just gonna chill here. And so then

00:32:30.029 --> 00:32:34.156
they, they had to like suck the stuff,
the fluid out of her stomach to see

00:32:34.189 --> 00:32:38.516
if she'd eat. She still didn't eat. My
husband, he was so exhausted. I

00:32:38.549 --> 00:32:43.756
felt awful for him. Like one thing I
didn't take into account was how

00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:49.946
amazing I would feel after giving
birth. I felt like the mother fucking

00:32:49.979 --> 00:32:55.506
man. Like I would tell anybody, how
you feel? I feel awesome. 20 minutes

00:32:55.539 --> 00:33:00.246
after she was out, I told my husband.
That was awesome. Let's do it again.

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.676
And he's like, No. No, no. Did you see
what happened? I saw everything.

00:33:05.709 --> 00:33:11.436
There was poop. There was blood.
You're gross. Like, I saw your stretched

00:33:11.469 --> 00:33:14.756
out vagina. No.

00:33:14.789 --> 00:33:20.776
And um my mom, she was there. My
mother-in-law and father-in-law, they

00:33:20.809 --> 00:33:25.045
came and everybody was just so amped
and they're all having family time

00:33:25.078 --> 00:33:28.897
and I'm still like in the back like
begging for food. Please someone give

00:33:28.930 --> 00:33:32.617
me pizza, and they did and it was the
most delicious pizza I'd ever had in

00:33:32.650 --> 00:33:39.857
my life. But the problem was something
was up with my reflexes. I don't

00:33:39.890 --> 00:33:45.446
remember what happened, but. I was
hoping to be home in time to watch The

00:33:45.479 --> 00:33:50.835
View at 10. And I wasn't, and I was
kind of disappointed, but I was home

00:33:50.868 --> 00:33:56.585
by one o'clock. 1:15, I was in my bed.
I was on Facebook. I was like, hey

00:33:56.618 --> 00:34:01.107
everybody, the baby's here. Like,
what? Where are you? It's like, I'm at

00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:06.585
the crib. I'm chilling. Like all is
well in the world. And it was, it was

00:34:06.618 --> 00:34:13.066
an amazing birth. I really felt great.
Unfortunately, the following day,

00:34:13.099 --> 00:34:17.666
you have the checkup with the baby and
we took her to the nurse and. She

00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:21.026
still wasn't latching. She still
wasn't eating. We had tried formula that

00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:25.095
night. I tried pumping. She wouldn't
latch onto anything. She wouldn't eat

00:34:25.128 --> 00:34:30.017
anything. Long story short, they ended
up calling an ambulance to the

00:34:30.050 --> 00:34:35.126
birth center to take us to Phoenix
Children's and that was the most

00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.416
ridiculous thing I've ever had to do,
because there was nothing wrong with

00:34:38.449 --> 00:34:40.695
this kid.

00:34:40.728 --> 00:34:46.287
It ended up costing us $1500 because
she was lazy. I'm like, well, she's

00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.686
my kid. I'm kind of lazy too
sometimes, especially in a new situation. And

00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:58.885
you know, she was fine and it was so
funny because you know I was 34, my

00:34:58.918 --> 00:35:01.896
husband was 35.

00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:06.287
And we're we're in the NICU with this
itty bitty baby and all of the

00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.445
nurses are like, OK, this is what's
going on. You know they're asking us

00:35:10.478 --> 00:35:14.967
all of these questions and we're cool.
Like, do your job. You went to

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.276
school for this, you do it every day.
Do your job. You guys are so laid

00:35:19.309 --> 00:35:22.376
back. I said, there is nothing wrong
with my child. I said, I'm gonna tell

00:35:22.409 --> 00:35:25.497
you like the little old lady saying
this out. Ain't nothing wrong with

00:35:25.530 --> 00:35:30.385
that baby. She just got a lazy tongue,
which was exactly what it was. She

00:35:30.418 --> 00:35:34.876
just didn't feel like eating. And two
days later when we were released, he

00:35:34.909 --> 00:35:39.626
said. You are absolutely right. She
just had a lazy tongue. She just

00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:47.497
didn't want to do it. I said, I know.
$1500 later. Mom knows best. But we

00:35:47.530 --> 00:35:51.135
learned a lot. We got a whole bunch of
free bottles and you know, I got to

00:35:51.168 --> 00:35:55.017
see a lactation consultant because no
one tells you that flat nipples are

00:35:55.050 --> 00:35:59.126
an issue. Yeah, I didn't realize I had
flat nipples because I don't go

00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.456
around looking at nipples all day. I
don't look at like, oh, can I see

00:36:03.489 --> 00:36:07.615
your nips? No one says that. So, and
no one told me that breastfeeding

00:36:07.648 --> 00:36:11.695
would be an issue with flat nipples.
Now I know. They're no longer flat.

00:36:11.728 --> 00:36:17.896
Thank you, Ahein. So it was, but it
was a great experience. We took her

00:36:17.929 --> 00:36:21.967
to church. She was born on Friday. We
took her to church on Tuesday. We

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.506
walked Steel Indian Park on Friday.
People are like, oh, that baby is so

00:36:27.539 --> 00:36:32.586
small. How old is she? She's 6 days
old. Oh my God, you look at, I had on

00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:36.997
the pants I'm wearing today, like,
yeah, I was wearing jeans and she was 2

00:36:37.030 --> 00:36:40.856
days older, 2 days old.

00:36:40.889 --> 00:36:44.936
I rocked that whole pregnancy labor
birth thing. I did. Praise Jehovah

00:36:44.969 --> 00:36:50.517
Jirah. Like that was awesome. I hope
the next one goes as smoothly.

00:36:50.550 --> 00:36:55.517
I think that is the perfect ending. I
do want to ask you a couple of

00:36:55.550 --> 00:37:01.276
things though. So when you were
pregnant and you were having the trouble

00:37:01.309 --> 00:37:05.276
in your marriage, do you think part of
it was was the trying to get

00:37:05.309 --> 00:37:08.635
pregnant part? Because Eric and I
tried, it was like 6 months and it was

00:37:08.668 --> 00:37:14.486
causing us stress in our marriage. Um,
I think it was that I wasn't

00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.566
working and bringing in money. Yeah,
that'll do it right.

00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:26.356
You know, we are who we are. You know
we can be jerks to one another. And

00:37:26.389 --> 00:37:32.436
he was especially bitter because I
hadn't passed the bar and I wasn't

00:37:32.469 --> 00:37:36.956
working and I was like, Well, you're
just a jerk. I can't deal with you

00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:42.195
right now. So um and then after you
told him you were pregnant, did the

00:37:42.228 --> 00:37:47.396
relationship get better soon after
that? Not exactly. It took a few months.

00:37:47.429 --> 00:37:52.586
It's like we're in this now. We can't
just shake hands and leave. There's

00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:57.706
another person involved. So, and he's
told me, he said if she came at the

00:37:57.739 --> 00:38:03.486
perfect time because I was ready to
bail. That's amazing. Yeah. He's like

00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.606
, I was ready to say goodbye to this.
I just couldn't do it anymore. Now

00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:13.126
she's here and you know, no offense,
but it's cheaper to keep her. And I

00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:21.159
said, Well, I, I guess I agree, you
know. I suppose, um, and she must have

00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:26.307
you know brightened up your lives and
kind of brought you together as

00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:29.626
people. I mean it either brings you
together or tears you apart. I think

00:38:29.659 --> 00:38:35.307
having a kid, you had so many
complications to your life. Yes, lot of joy.

00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:41.186
That's true, and I've heard so many
other women say how the child ruined

00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:47.456
their marriage. And that's just not
our story. Like we've become a better

00:38:47.489 --> 00:38:52.635
husband and wife. We've become a
better team because of her. And I, I tell

00:38:52.668 --> 00:38:56.537
people all the time, I wish I'd had
her sooner. Because that would have

00:38:56.570 --> 00:39:00.655
cut back on all the crazy arguments
and fights and holes in walls and all

00:39:00.688 --> 00:39:04.557
the other stupid stuff you can't take
back. All that wouldn't have

00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:09.316
happened, or it's not as much, because
you know we're human. We get

00:39:09.349 --> 00:39:15.467
frustrated, we get disappointed and
now you have this person. Mimicking

00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:22.307
you and watching what you do and
believing that if you don't love him or

00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:26.345
you don't love her, then you probably
don't love me because that's who I'm

00:39:26.378 --> 00:39:32.967
from. I am her. I am him. So it really
causes you to step back and look at

00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.727
it and us being believers, you know,
we love God, we are, we believe His

00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.736
word. It really

00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:45.336
Drives home how God sees us. When you
see a child, when you see your own

00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:50.086
child. And you know that you would
move heaven and earth, you would go

00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.925
through hell and high water, you
would, you know, you know, I'll cut a

00:39:54.958 --> 00:39:58.916
bitch behind my kid, you know, that
kind of thing. Like, wow, that's what

00:39:58.949 --> 00:40:04.945
God thinks about me. No matter how
unruly my child is, I will still, I

00:40:04.978 --> 00:40:11.666
will burn the city down behind her. I
will go to jail behind you and It's

00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:18.385
hard not to say, Well, maybe God loves
me that much or more. And it just,

00:40:18.418 --> 00:40:21.546
it just brings things back into
perspective, like the little things she

00:40:21.579 --> 00:40:25.307
does. I'm like, can't get too mad at
that because I do the exact same

00:40:25.340 --> 00:40:29.467
thing. Shoot, I need to get my life
together. What is wrong with me? I

00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:34.405
need to find a therapist's phone
number right now. So. I absolutely agree

00:40:34.438 --> 00:40:39.146
with that, but you do have patience
because you do see yourself in them. I

00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:43.925
mean, just little things, irritating
habits. Oh my goodness. Yes, that's

00:40:43.958 --> 00:40:47.445
funny. Well, great. I think that we're
good. I'm going to go ahead and

00:40:47.478 --> 00:40:49.639
turn off.