WEBVTT 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:05.577 My children's And um 00:00:05.610 --> 00:00:09.706 That really. 00:00:09.739 --> 00:00:15.427 Put um it broke my heart. I mean, to me, marriage was, what the way I 00:00:15.460 --> 00:00:21.137 understood my grandparents and my parents talk about is that We're 00:00:21.170 --> 00:00:27.785 supposed to be married. And just, just enjoy that life regardless of what 00:00:27.818 --> 00:00:35.818 , what is the outcome is of um. And the economical and all that and. 00:00:37.009 --> 00:00:42.307 And we were to work together and I really believe that and when he made 00:00:42.340 --> 00:00:50.340 the decision to go. And I was very hurt and then I was angry. And I kept 00:00:52.590 --> 00:00:58.237 to myself, doing all these things, herding sheep, riding a horse, working 00:00:58.270 --> 00:01:05.906 with cattles, just just everything, and um And then I was working, I was a 00:01:05.939 --> 00:01:11.786 social worker work helping people with them. Domestic violence removing 00:01:11.819 --> 00:01:16.805 children into a safer place, things like that that no, that that was on 00:01:16.838 --> 00:01:22.736 the reservation. And um with the juvenile justice, I commute from here to 00:01:22.769 --> 00:01:29.745 the reservation. They had 9 areas on the Western Agency. And um did you 00:01:29.778 --> 00:01:36.266 grow up on the reservation? Yes, I have both reservation Oregon, Utah, New 00:01:36.299 --> 00:01:42.507 Mexico. That's where uh they called it and the BIA school, you know, and 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:47.227 that's where they move us around. We was, did you, um, do you have a lot 00:01:47.260 --> 00:01:53.786 of sisters or brothers? I only have one sister, older sister. We had, um, 00:01:53.819 --> 00:02:01.819 a, a younger sister, but neither one of us saw her. And so We just 00:02:03.028 --> 00:02:09.214 Done what our parents told us to do. You know that maintain. Uh what they 00:02:09.247 --> 00:02:16.725 were teaching us and it's all for our own good. And And when we knew these 00:02:16.758 --> 00:02:24.758 things and when we live by what they lectured and what they demonstrate. 00:02:25.409 --> 00:02:31.225 We were, we were not supposed to experience. I mean, we were we experience 00:02:31.258 --> 00:02:36.077 some ups and down in the future, but if we had knowledge of things like 00:02:36.110 --> 00:02:41.696 this, you know, and we'll always have some money in our pocket, and have 00:02:41.729 --> 00:02:46.616 food in our cabinet, a blanket in the house, things like that, you know, 00:02:46.649 --> 00:02:51.136 and they told me, if you don't know nothing, if you're lazy, if you sleep 00:02:51.169 --> 00:02:56.096 till the sun comes up, you don't go running. 00:02:56.129 --> 00:03:01.626 You don't roll in the snow and you don't do these things, you. You're 00:03:01.659 --> 00:03:06.305 gonna be like a bum, you know, not knowing anything. You're gonna always 00:03:06.338 --> 00:03:10.066 say give me this, give me that, you know. Did you meet the father of your 00:03:10.099 --> 00:03:15.946 children on the reservation? Um, I met them through school. Um, I said 00:03:15.979 --> 00:03:21.116 them because I, I was married twice. First I, I was in high school when I 00:03:21.149 --> 00:03:27.457 met my children's father. And um a big storm came in. I was going to 00:03:27.490 --> 00:03:33.616 school in Albuquerque and uh I came home for Christmas and the the storm 00:03:33.649 --> 00:03:38.896 went in and the bus and they couldn't go through to pick us up. So they 00:03:38.929 --> 00:03:46.835 transferred me from Albuquerque to Page. So I graduated in Page. 00:03:46.868 --> 00:03:50.606 And um 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:56.646 We did, did you fall in love right away? Oh no, I, uh, all those things 00:03:56.679 --> 00:04:00.366 were taught to us too. Like I said, you know, when you grow up, when you 00:04:00.399 --> 00:04:05.047 get married, all this and that. I wasn't, I was embarrassed to have a 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:11.225 boyfriend. And um cause I thought somebody might laugh about me, tease me. 00:04:11.258 --> 00:04:16.406 In those days, people used to tease you, you know. And it's almost like 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:21.406 you put some kind of a cover here so you won't look around that way. But I 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:26.205 was sitting in the classroom and he was sitting behind me. He had a pin 00:04:26.238 --> 00:04:34.238 and poked me right here. And he said, what's your name? And I didn't know 00:04:34.798 --> 00:04:41.687 what to tell him. And um I just didn't bother him for the I think the 3rd 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.596 day I finally told him. I, I didn't tell him my name, but I told him I got 00:04:46.629 --> 00:04:51.836 transferred. He asked me where I was from. Because I mean, um, I came in 00:04:51.869 --> 00:04:57.366 the midterm. And um 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.745 Because I 00:04:59.778 --> 00:05:07.205 Too many credits. I had um 2 study hall. I had um. Home economic things 00:05:07.238 --> 00:05:12.856 that you know I could have become a welder or a doctor or some, you know, 00:05:12.889 --> 00:05:16.616 and they say, you have too many credits, you know, you can't even walk 00:05:16.649 --> 00:05:19.817 across the stage, we'll give you a diploma and I'll just walk out. I said 00:05:19.850 --> 00:05:26.265 , no, I wanna graduate. I wanna walk across the stage like. What my father 00:05:26.298 --> 00:05:34.298 wants me to to do for them and for myself. So I 00:05:34.709 --> 00:05:39.676 They accepted that. So I had all those, you know, I had a few classes like 00:05:39.709 --> 00:05:44.995 uh English and uh I didn't have math because I was done with it. I was 00:05:45.028 --> 00:05:50.805 kind of loping around. I go to the office and help. 00:05:50.838 --> 00:05:56.805 So here at Coconino I didn't want me because my credit was higher than the 00:05:56.838 --> 00:06:04.116 public school. I went to a boarding school. And um They didn't want me 00:06:04.149 --> 00:06:10.346 here and finally Paige accepted me because I lived close to it. And then I 00:06:10.379 --> 00:06:18.379 , I, I graduated there. So and oh sorry, go ahead, and my, my father. He 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:25.877 told me he says, um. Go to school. And I want you to go at this piece of 00:06:25.910 --> 00:06:33.910 paper. Not being Um, reasons, but he said white people are talking about a 00:06:34.819 --> 00:06:41.156 piece of paper. He said, go get it and show me what it looks like. He said 00:06:41.189 --> 00:06:44.236 they call it diploma. 00:06:44.269 --> 00:06:48.546 I said I'll look forward. I didn't know what it looked like I was just a 00:06:48.579 --> 00:06:56.579 little girl. So I went and I, I. I went to school and I got my diploma, my 00:06:57.369 --> 00:07:04.145 father and my mother were there. They they're both deceased now. And um. 00:07:04.178 --> 00:07:08.937 When I walked across the stage, I went to them. And I opened my diploma 00:07:08.970 --> 00:07:16.257 and I told my dad, this is what it looks like. He said how cheap 00:07:16.290 --> 00:07:22.096 This is what they're talking about. He spent 12 years away from us. What 00:07:22.129 --> 00:07:26.805 did they teach you to give you a piece of paper? 00:07:26.838 --> 00:07:33.825 We have worldwide reservation Hawaii, what you learn. It's higher than 00:07:33.858 --> 00:07:37.567 that piece of paper. 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:43.366 He wasn't angry but that was his remark. And then right there he told me 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:51.286 by now I think you know. You're not done. You had to go again. Yeah, go to 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:56.265 college, something called college. Go over there. There's another paper 00:07:56.298 --> 00:08:02.877 that go get it. So were you married at this point or no? But anyway, I 00:08:02.910 --> 00:08:08.067 back to the classroom. And then I was on my way to the study hall and my 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:12.757 children's father caught up with me. He says, what class do you take? I 00:08:12.790 --> 00:08:18.286 didn't talk to him because I, I was shy. And 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.495 And then he followed me. I went to study hall, and he says, I thought your 00:08:22.528 --> 00:08:29.166 study hall was in the other class because he didn't know I had to. And And 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:34.525 then he says, how come you got all these easy class library and things 00:08:34.558 --> 00:08:40.475 like that. I know, I said just put me in there. They didn't want me in the 00:08:40.508 --> 00:08:42.515 classroom. 00:08:42.548 --> 00:08:46.755 You just laugh about it and. 00:08:46.788 --> 00:08:51.025 And then I guess he went to the office and ask why, you know, they were so 00:08:51.058 --> 00:08:56.645 mean to me that I wasn't. Reading and studying what he's studying, and 00:08:56.678 --> 00:09:02.265 they told him that I have more credits than the public school students. 00:09:02.298 --> 00:09:10.086 And he says, you're really smart. I said, maybe, I don't know. 00:09:10.119 --> 00:09:15.787 Maybe I've done something good, maybe I've done something bad. 00:09:15.820 --> 00:09:19.196 Maybe I'm lacking something. 00:09:19.229 --> 00:09:25.917 I said, whatever, you know, I'm just doing what they. Say, well, get me to 00:09:25.950 --> 00:09:28.816 walk across the stage. 00:09:28.849 --> 00:09:33.996 So that that's that's how we met. We went to um. Well, I brought him a 00:09:34.029 --> 00:09:42.029 lunch, I ride the bus. Um, 30, 30 minutes from our house to town. And, and 00:09:42.119 --> 00:09:46.686 then another day, my friend, my, my girlfriend, she made sandwich. I guess 00:09:46.719 --> 00:09:53.606 she forgot to uncover the cheese, those sliced sheet. And we're all at the 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:59.986 park and and she says, here, here's some sandwich. She says, oh, thank you. 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:05.525 And he was trying to bite it and he said, what's in there? And then she 00:10:05.558 --> 00:10:10.167 looked at and she started laughing. She wears a Coconino high now, my 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:15.217 friend, she's uh a secretary. 00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:19.336 And I guess she said, I'm so sorry, I forgot to take those plastic off the 00:10:19.369 --> 00:10:24.385 sheets. So that that's how we all met. I really wanted him to go with my 00:10:24.418 --> 00:10:32.418 friend. I didn't want him. I didn't like him. Um, he was tall. And I'm 00:10:32.928 --> 00:10:36.047 just petite. 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:42.066 And um my friends short too, but. I thought well they they match, they 00:10:42.099 --> 00:10:47.125 should go together, you know. And so I, I told him I got to get to class 00:10:47.158 --> 00:10:53.866 so I leave here and grab his book bag and he followed me and So he kept 00:10:53.899 --> 00:10:58.927 doing it and pretty soon we he said let's go to the ceremony together. And 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:04.226 uh so we went, I didn't know he didn't speak Navajo. He was brought up in 00:11:04.259 --> 00:11:08.566 a mission. Um, 00:11:08.599 --> 00:11:12.625 So I, I was talking to him in Nava and he said, I don't understand what 00:11:12.658 --> 00:11:14.996 you're saying. 00:11:15.029 --> 00:11:18.346 So um it was nothing. 00:11:18.379 --> 00:11:23.667 I never told him what I said. So that's how we met and we started going 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:29.986 together and he asked me if he could meet my parents. I said no. 00:11:30.019 --> 00:11:38.019 Um, my mom, my dad said I'm not ready. I gotta go get a piece of paper. 00:11:38.889 --> 00:11:43.226 I'm on a mission now to get the paper. So then what happens? You, you went 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:51.259 off to college. Well, you went to the military and that was a help. And I 00:11:51.658 --> 00:11:59.658 went on with my school. And after I graduate and. And then um 00:12:00.649 --> 00:12:07.236 I went to in AU. And I was working at the women's shelter. And that's, 00:12:07.269 --> 00:12:13.255 they had um free class for the people that were working there. So I start 00:12:13.288 --> 00:12:17.037 up in social work and. 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:19.496 And I 00:12:19.529 --> 00:12:25.486 It was OK. And then when he got to English, it got so difficult and. And I 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:32.106 , I, my professor told us that um we had to write an essay. 00:12:32.139 --> 00:12:38.427 And I knew what essay is from my point of view, so I wrote it, and in 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:42.645 front of everybody, she walked up to me, she says, this is not how you do 00:12:42.678 --> 00:12:45.375 an essay. 00:12:45.408 --> 00:12:49.976 And she was so upset with me. She looked at me, she says, I don't think 00:12:50.009 --> 00:12:55.566 you belong in college. 00:12:55.599 --> 00:13:02.385 And then I closed my book. And I said, and everybody was quiet, and 00:13:02.418 --> 00:13:08.979 everybody was listening. It took me a while and I finally said, you know. 00:13:09.678 --> 00:13:11.678 You, you said that um I don't belong here. I said what if If it's you that 00:13:16.599 --> 00:13:20.297 don't belong in here. 00:13:20.330 --> 00:13:25.826 And she turned around and she said, what? I said, if you were on it, I 00:13:25.859 --> 00:13:31.606 said. How did you get a diploma? 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:37.836 And you're saying what you said to me and. Any professors, they shouldn't 00:13:37.869 --> 00:13:43.255 say that. If you think that I don't understand whose fault is it? I said, 00:13:43.288 --> 00:13:48.307 you're the teacher. Maybe you need to do some more research and teach me 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:53.505 how to do the essay the way you like it. The way you want my Navajo words 00:13:53.538 --> 00:13:56.336 to be turned around. 00:13:56.369 --> 00:14:00.496 I said I have nothing against you. 00:14:00.529 --> 00:14:05.427 So how was it, you know, in the, in the long run, dealing with marriage 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:11.066 and starting a family when you have like 1 ft in two different cultures at 00:14:11.099 --> 00:14:13.566 the same time? 00:14:13.599 --> 00:14:21.599 Um, It wasn't only the culture and it was also the family. The the family 00:14:22.090 --> 00:14:29.086 he's from. Um. They even though they're Navajos, they were. Very 00:14:29.119 --> 00:14:35.736 judgmental and um. They um I don't know how they got information on my 00:14:35.769 --> 00:14:43.769 family. They said that I come from a bad family. Very poor family. And we 00:14:43.849 --> 00:14:46.106 have livestock. 00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:49.086 We weren't poor. 00:14:49.119 --> 00:14:56.586 I, I look back and I've, I've. A lot of people say we were poor. And we 00:14:56.619 --> 00:15:02.145 have no resources. I always think that's a lie. I always say that's a lie 00:15:02.178 --> 00:15:10.005 , because we've got everything. And life out there. You can stand at the 00:15:10.038 --> 00:15:16.696 top of a hill and look around. Everything's there. So medicine, food, uh, 00:15:16.729 --> 00:15:21.476 activities, everything you can have with your children, yourself, 00:15:21.509 --> 00:15:25.547 everything is there. If you look, if you listen, if you have knowledge and 00:15:25.580 --> 00:15:33.407 you can. Be the richest person there. And be in better health. And that's 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:38.645 that's how I look at it. I always say, I was brought up in a very healthy 00:15:38.678 --> 00:15:44.765 environment. There was no drugs, no alcohol. No hitting, no spanking, no 00:15:44.798 --> 00:15:51.167 yelling, nothing. Um, is that the how you wanted to raise your family? 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:58.807 That's how I raised my family. I taught them everything I do. So Had you 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:04.206 seen other women um give birth on the reservation, or was that, what is 00:16:04.239 --> 00:16:09.726 the, is that just a private thing to each family or is it a community? We 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:14.846 don't go to somebody's house because they're having a baby. That that's 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:22.879 not. Then that people. Um, We can go there for baby shower. And maybe a 00:16:24.288 --> 00:16:27.186 birthday. 00:16:27.219 --> 00:16:30.307 But other than that, when somebody is giving a birth, you don't go over 00:16:30.340 --> 00:16:37.265 there. So did you have any idea what to expect? Um, 00:16:37.298 --> 00:16:45.298 Nobody told me. It's private And It's not gonna be exactly the way they 00:16:45.719 --> 00:16:52.505 experience my parents. Um, I heard a lot of stuff through school. Uh, 00:16:52.538 --> 00:16:55.407 health. 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:02.537 And uh, but it didn't dawn on me, it was just talk. Because my grandmother 00:17:02.570 --> 00:17:08.476 and my mother said, it's our own personal experience. It's not because 00:17:08.509 --> 00:17:15.476 somebody had a baby with a horrible pain. Oh, you know, some of them, they 00:17:15.509 --> 00:17:18.065 didn't have no pain. 00:17:18.098 --> 00:17:25.006 And uh some of them didn't even show they were having babies. And So my, 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.476 my, my grandmother said. 00:17:28.509 --> 00:17:33.387 Who are we to talk about somebody else? 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:38.176 You know, and We can still ride horse, we can do things, we can herd sheep 00:17:38.209 --> 00:17:43.676 , she said there's no limit. It was just every every exercise that comes 00:17:43.709 --> 00:17:47.266 along, we can do it. 00:17:47.299 --> 00:17:52.967 And um she's my grandmother is the one that delivered me. 00:17:53.000 --> 00:18:01.000 And uh At home, at home. And of course they don't talk about it. She 00:18:01.259 --> 00:18:04.555 didn't tell you the story of your birth. 00:18:04.588 --> 00:18:10.996 The only thing she told me is, um, my dad got so scared, he panic, he 00:18:11.029 --> 00:18:15.785 packed his stuff and took them outside. And he put them all against the 00:18:15.818 --> 00:18:20.746 hill and put the food out there, blankets. I don't know why he was 00:18:20.779 --> 00:18:24.776 thinking. And then they told him, you come back in here, you have a little 00:18:24.809 --> 00:18:31.217 girl. So I don't know what he did, but that's what my grandmother said. 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:34.276 And then. 00:18:34.309 --> 00:18:40.516 The mom's mother can't look at the the son-in-law. 00:18:40.549 --> 00:18:45.137 You say if you look at your son-in-law, you'll go blind. 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:52.276 So it, it sounds ridiculous, but it's true. So when you finally introduced 00:18:52.309 --> 00:18:57.717 your husband to your family, your mother could not look at him in the eyes. 00:18:57.750 --> 00:19:02.956 He, he went to her and he told her mom. So 00:19:02.989 --> 00:19:08.545 It was like his mother. And my mom would just laugh and sit there like 00:19:08.578 --> 00:19:15.897 that, shy. They didn't speak English, but they, they understood. 00:19:15.930 --> 00:19:18.696 And um 00:19:18.729 --> 00:19:26.729 When I had my first child, my, I was still in school. And my, my mom said. 00:19:27.809 --> 00:19:33.805 Well now this is my baby. You go back to school. Go do what your father 00:19:33.838 --> 00:19:39.467 had asked of you to do for yourself. So you can come back and raise these 00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:41.717 kids. 00:19:41.750 --> 00:19:46.647 She said, I'm not gonna raise her. I'm just taking care of her. 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:51.867 So I did, and I went back to school. Was that hard to leave your new baby 00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:54.456 ? No. 00:19:54.489 --> 00:20:00.406 Because my mom was. My, my, my teacher, she taught me everything. I know 00:20:00.439 --> 00:20:05.756 she would. Do better than what she taught me. You know, there are things 00:20:05.789 --> 00:20:09.117 she left out, maybe she learned more about that she would share with my 00:20:09.150 --> 00:20:11.476 daughter. 00:20:11.509 --> 00:20:17.535 So, and then the. After a while when I come home, she's my little girl 00:20:17.568 --> 00:20:23.996 started tell um saying. My sister to me. 00:20:24.029 --> 00:20:26.647 And 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:34.680 That kind of um. Put the confusion in my, in my heart and. 00:20:35.439 --> 00:20:40.617 And I, I, I didn't say what or anything, I just talked with her, told her 00:20:40.650 --> 00:20:46.936 what she wanted to know. And took a while and. And one day we're sitting 00:20:46.969 --> 00:20:53.857 together and she looked at me and she said, is it true? She said, Yolanda. 00:20:53.890 --> 00:20:57.256 Is it true you're my mother? 00:20:57.289 --> 00:21:03.555 How old was she then? She was about. 4 00:21:03.588 --> 00:21:08.686 So did you live with your parents in the same home? No, I didn't live with 00:21:08.719 --> 00:21:13.256 my parents. I live at the BIA school. 00:21:13.289 --> 00:21:16.246 And um 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:22.785 We were taken away from a boarding school. And Without our parents' 00:21:22.818 --> 00:21:29.877 consent. They just load us up and hauled us away. And I didn't see my 00:21:29.910 --> 00:21:36.226 parents for 9 months at a time. 00:21:36.259 --> 00:21:41.026 And they do all kinds of stuff to us. They I have real long hair, they cut 00:21:41.059 --> 00:21:46.676 it up. Because I don't know how to braid my hair. And what I learned, it 00:21:46.709 --> 00:21:51.756 took me a long time to braid it, so they just chop it up. 00:21:51.789 --> 00:21:59.186 That's That's how I went to school, and I always told my kids. You know, 00:21:59.219 --> 00:22:06.847 You're very fortunate. Your mom, your dad can't speak English. 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:13.526 My parents didn't speak English. But I made it. And you can do it too. So 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:18.026 you just set your mind to it, to it. 00:22:18.059 --> 00:22:22.887 Just remember to, to let me know so I can come to your graduation. 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.226 So they graduate. 00:22:27.259 --> 00:22:31.967 And 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.206 One of my son has a business and the other one started a business in 00:22:36.239 --> 00:22:39.186 California. 00:22:39.219 --> 00:22:46.617 So they all Doing great, doing good things. My oldest Emma. She went to 00:22:46.650 --> 00:22:54.650 the military. And um she got out there uh Desert Storm. 00:22:54.779 --> 00:23:00.835 And then my youngest went to the military. He just completed 10 years. 00:23:00.868 --> 00:23:06.696 Just came home 2 weeks ago. So we have family reunion here. After not 00:23:06.729 --> 00:23:14.186 seeing him for almost 3 years and. He came home. So did you give birth to 00:23:14.219 --> 00:23:20.137 your child in your parents' home or in the hospital or? Um, no, I went to 00:23:20.170 --> 00:23:22.967 the hospital. 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.766 I, I have my babies in the hospital. 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:31.097 Were your parents were present or was anyone there that you knew? Or were 00:23:31.130 --> 00:23:38.627 you by yourself? I was by myself. I 00:23:38.660 --> 00:23:43.456 That's the way it was, you know, they never were there when we were with 00:23:43.489 --> 00:23:49.436 our whoever we made with and. You know, it's something we made a decision 00:23:49.469 --> 00:23:52.325 on to have a baby. 00:23:52.358 --> 00:23:56.887 And that the baby is born, then they come in. 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:02.097 So the father came in after the baby was born after your daughter was. 00:24:02.130 --> 00:24:06.916 Yeah, so 00:24:06.949 --> 00:24:13.426 I, I With my first one, we came shopping here in Flagstaff. And I was 00:24:13.459 --> 00:24:17.186 running around taking care of everything, and then all of a sudden I 00:24:17.219 --> 00:24:21.795 started experiencing pain. And then I thought it must be tired or 00:24:21.828 --> 00:24:27.467 something, you know, it was my waist. It wasn't so bad, it was just like 00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:29.516 aching. 00:24:29.549 --> 00:24:34.075 And then I thought maybe it's because I'm walking on the sidewalk and pave. 00:24:34.108 --> 00:24:39.085 So I try not to think it's it's time to have the baby. 00:24:39.118 --> 00:24:46.305 But uh I didn't have it till the. The next day. 00:24:46.338 --> 00:24:50.815 And uh did you go into the hospital at that point when you felt the pain? 00:24:50.848 --> 00:24:58.848 No, I didn't. I want the pain to go away, so I just stayed at home. Until 00:24:59.969 --> 00:25:04.825 it got so bad and then. I told my grandparents, I said, I think I'm having 00:25:04.858 --> 00:25:07.795 a baby. 00:25:07.828 --> 00:25:10.647 And um 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:14.926 That's how I got into the hospital. Was that a long drive from the 00:25:14.959 --> 00:25:19.565 reservation, I assume with your grandparents, or were they in the city or 00:25:19.598 --> 00:25:25.127 how at that time it was a long drive because there was no pave. It was 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:28.075 dirt road. 00:25:28.108 --> 00:25:32.887 And all that bump 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:40.097 So that's um My grandpa was the first person that came in. And he looked 00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:47.266 at her and he said, This is one of the new generation, she already has um 00:25:47.299 --> 00:25:49.597 dark eyebrow. 00:25:49.630 --> 00:25:54.186 Curly lash, curly hair. 00:25:54.219 --> 00:26:02.176 You just laugh about it because I, I have natural curl too. And uh He said 00:26:02.209 --> 00:26:06.097 that Nowadays, the babies, you know, they're all ready, they got their 00:26:06.130 --> 00:26:10.426 makeup on and. 00:26:10.459 --> 00:26:13.456 he joke about it. 00:26:13.489 --> 00:26:17.805 But um, they all help me. 00:26:17.838 --> 00:26:25.217 They They didn't ask me if my daughter needs diapers or. Oh, they just 00:26:25.250 --> 00:26:30.815 bought it because. They, because I'm their child and their their their 00:26:30.848 --> 00:26:37.075 granddaughter. And they knew I, I had all of that, but You know, they, 00:26:37.108 --> 00:26:42.226 they bought them and drop it off and That baby shower every week or 00:26:42.259 --> 00:26:45.916 something, you know. 00:26:45.949 --> 00:26:49.766 And she would come and my grandma was gonna buy a dress, but I don't know 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.795 what size she wears. 00:26:52.828 --> 00:26:59.416 But I'll make one for, you know. So there's just how. 00:26:59.449 --> 00:27:07.449 Did you nurse or use formula or any other thing, goat's milk? No, um. It 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:13.887 it was kind of funny. I, when I left the hospital from Tuba, I told him I 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:18.706 want to go home. And they said, do you have a right? I didn't want to be 00:27:18.739 --> 00:27:23.075 in there, so I said, yes, I have a right. So they gave me some little 00:27:23.108 --> 00:27:29.065 blankets and some bottle and I don't remember what else they gave me. I 00:27:29.098 --> 00:27:34.367 was just a little kid myself, and then I went to this mission. And too 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:41.857 well And then I found out we ran out of milk. I wasn't nursing her. I 00:27:41.890 --> 00:27:48.285 tried to nurse her, she wouldn't. She won't even swallow any. So I left 00:27:48.318 --> 00:27:55.575 her there. Talking about Uh turn like. I left, I look around, there was 00:27:55.608 --> 00:28:01.696 nobody around. So I put her to bed and had hidden her behind on the 00:28:01.729 --> 00:28:07.456 blanket and I ran all the way down to the trading post. It's just about a 00:28:07.489 --> 00:28:14.736 block. And I bought 1 mil. I I think it was carnation, and then I ran all 00:28:14.769 --> 00:28:21.736 the way back, and I forgot we didn't have a can opener. I was just I 00:28:21.769 --> 00:28:26.936 wasn't sure what to do. I was thinking about how we nurse um the lamb and 00:28:26.969 --> 00:28:30.847 the little kids, you know, I was thinking about that, but they have black 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:37.467 nipple on the bottle. But this one, you know I put a nipple on the bottle. 00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:45.500 And then I I went um, asked one of the lady and. And she told me that um. 00:28:47.439 --> 00:28:49.439 There was a knife and she she gave me the knife. And I opened the can. And 00:28:55.750 --> 00:29:01.766 she asked me what it was for. I told him I wouldn't drink it. I didn't 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:07.085 tell her I had the baby, because they would say, everybody will gossip if 00:29:07.118 --> 00:29:12.045 a young girl has a baby in those days, they would say she's no good, she 00:29:12.078 --> 00:29:15.656 runs around, that's how she got pregnant, all this, you know, so I don't 00:29:15.689 --> 00:29:18.916 want nobody to know. 00:29:18.949 --> 00:29:22.696 So, and then all of a sudden my mom had carries the baby, so they wanna 00:29:22.729 --> 00:29:27.496 know how that happened, you know, my mom got the baby and I'm still going 00:29:27.529 --> 00:29:31.867 to school and people were confused. 00:29:31.900 --> 00:29:39.900 And so that's just, it was my experience and My labors were really painful. 00:29:42.269 --> 00:29:44.269 But I 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:50.285 But I have my little girl. Did they give you any pain medicine? I don't 00:29:50.318 --> 00:29:55.397 think so. I really don't think so. I was a little girl when I used to herd 00:29:55.430 --> 00:30:02.436 sheep, and I found this 2 by 4. We didn't have any toys in those days, and 00:30:02.469 --> 00:30:08.045 I never knew there was a town or another place besides where we lived, the 00:30:08.078 --> 00:30:10.696 whole gun. 00:30:10.729 --> 00:30:16.085 And I was hurting the sheep and I found this 2 by 4. And I looked at it 00:30:16.118 --> 00:30:21.446 and I thought, I wonder what they use this for. And then I, because we 00:30:21.479 --> 00:30:28.946 don't use lumbers in our whole gun. And then But on the wagon, there are 00:30:28.979 --> 00:30:34.276 boards, so I guess I got to talking with my grandpa, he told me they were 00:30:34.309 --> 00:30:36.357 lumbers. 00:30:36.390 --> 00:30:42.045 Then one day I was sitting there looking at the the the 2 by 4. On the 00:30:42.078 --> 00:30:48.295 hill I was herding sheep and. And I started running this imagination. It's 00:30:48.328 --> 00:30:56.328 just a little girl. And then I thought This is my baby. This is my toe. 00:30:57.049 --> 00:31:03.516 And I tore up one of my bottom skirt off and I wrap it. And I don't know 00:31:03.549 --> 00:31:08.946 who told me to how to take care of the baby. But I used to hide it in the 00:31:08.979 --> 00:31:14.699 sagebrush because if I took it home, my grandma would build a fire with it. 00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:17.059 So every time I go there, she I pick it up. And talked to that board. So 00:31:21.140 --> 00:31:26.426 when I met my daughter, I look at my daughter and what I saw on that board 00:31:26.459 --> 00:31:30.377 , that's what my daughter looked like. 00:31:30.410 --> 00:31:34.637 Maybe similar black hair. 00:31:34.670 --> 00:31:41.026 And I just cry. I cried because that's what I saw. That was the love I saw 00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:45.996 when I was a little girl. 00:31:46.029 --> 00:31:54.029 That's really touching. Yeah. Yeah, I think most of them. My desire of 00:31:54.630 --> 00:32:00.016 having all other things. Was that one day I was hurting shape again, I saw 00:32:00.049 --> 00:32:06.926 this magazine. It rained on, it was an old magazine. And away from home, 00:32:06.959 --> 00:32:11.726 picked it up and I sat down and started looking at it. And I saw these 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:17.295 women with really nice dress, high heels, nail polish, and I thought when 00:32:17.328 --> 00:32:23.397 I grow up I wouldn't have. Nail polish on my nails. I'm gonna curl hair. 00:32:23.430 --> 00:32:27.946 I'm gonna put lipstick on my lips. I don't use lipstick. And I thought I 00:32:27.979 --> 00:32:31.436 put eyebrow pencil on my eyes. I didn't know what they were, but I wanted 00:32:31.469 --> 00:32:35.575 that. And they had a nice dress and I thought I'm gonna have a real nice 00:32:35.608 --> 00:32:40.766 dress. They used to have those petticoats. I said, they all wanna grow and 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.887 have one. I never wore one. They went out of style. 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.486 So it was funny and I had that magazine for a long time, uh hidden in the 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.756 sagebrush. 00:32:53.789 --> 00:32:57.897 I don't know, maybe the wind took it away, maybe my grandma found it and 00:32:57.930 --> 00:33:05.930 built a fire with it. But that that was my childhood, you know, so. Um, 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:10.535 along with that, my, my grandparents and my parents, they talked to me 00:33:10.568 --> 00:33:14.815 about someday I'm gonna have a family of my own. 00:33:14.848 --> 00:33:19.377 And then I thought, what are they telling me? Am I good enough, you know, 00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:26.897 I'm a child here. And there was my aunt and my sister, but the, the PIA 00:33:26.930 --> 00:33:31.818 school takes them away and they go to school somewhere. I don't even know. 00:33:32.098 --> 00:33:34.098 So I stay home. I heard she I wasn't old enough to go to school. So I 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.946 learned to ride a horse. 00:33:39.979 --> 00:33:42.246 And 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.575 I was never afraid of horse. 00:33:46.608 --> 00:33:52.666 And even the wild ones who used to ride them all up and we used to use our 00:33:52.699 --> 00:33:58.776 skirt that pass you, come down and go into the bushes. 00:33:58.809 --> 00:34:03.686 Sometime we land on a cactus and we get all these needles and. Somebody 00:34:03.719 --> 00:34:11.719 had to pick them up for us. It was a lot of um A venture that I. I see, 00:34:12.407 --> 00:34:18.345 but besides becoming a mom and all the preparation of being brought up. 00:34:18.378 --> 00:34:26.378 With the firm and instruction and And all the artwork, how to take care of 00:34:26.659 --> 00:34:33.995 the lifestyle, how to fix it for me. How to use the wool to make dress and 00:34:34.028 --> 00:34:41.126 blankets and I learned all those things. I don't remember saying I don't 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:45.615 wanna do this. It was always. 00:34:45.648 --> 00:34:53.296 A design that my grandma or my mom was putting in. And I wanted that. So 00:34:53.329 --> 00:35:00.416 it's. That's how I went to school. There was, there was no cars, no TV, 00:35:00.449 --> 00:35:07.517 nothing. And one day my dad brought back a radio. 00:35:07.550 --> 00:35:13.896 And I sat there and I could hear people singing. We were sitting in the 00:35:13.929 --> 00:35:20.037 shack made out of juniper tree. I said, Dad, I said, who's singing in 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:24.767 there? I said, what are those people doing in there? He said they're 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.856 singing. 00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:32.626 And I said, how, how big are they? Are they little? So you just laugh 00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:38.307 about it, it's just And then him and my mom, they went somewhere, I don't 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:43.057 know where they went. Then I know that my dad had these screwdrivers and I 00:35:43.090 --> 00:35:49.276 saw him working on the radio. So he left and I unscrewed all the, the back 00:35:49.309 --> 00:35:54.836 of the radio and I took that board off. And I look in there, there's 00:35:54.869 --> 00:36:02.827 nobody. I say, hey. Yeah, where are you guys, you know. Let me come in. 00:36:02.860 --> 00:36:09.356 There's nothing And then I put it back together. That's before I even 00:36:09.389 --> 00:36:13.876 went to school. I know which school goes back in, but I guess I put them 00:36:13.909 --> 00:36:19.845 back in crooked. And my dad said the radio is not working, he said. Did 00:36:19.878 --> 00:36:27.878 you fool around with it? Oh, I'm sorry. 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:35.046 Go ahead, I told him I said that you can answer. I you I said You can 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:39.816 listen to it. I didn't ruin it. I just look in there for those people that 00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:46.836 we're seeing. And he laughed. He, he wasn't mad at me. He was so. You can 00:36:46.869 --> 00:36:49.977 say you're so funny. 00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:54.666 And he said that, it's just the voice, it's just in the air. I said, how 00:36:54.699 --> 00:37:00.095 come I don't see it, you know, that so many things I talk about. I wanted 00:37:00.128 --> 00:37:07.296 to see it. And sometime I would sit there and I would almost see the notes. 00:37:07.329 --> 00:37:13.405 I mean, I guess that's how powerful I made my mind work. And I didn't 00:37:13.438 --> 00:37:20.885 know what airplane was. Not Just, just, just a way of in that way of 00:37:20.918 --> 00:37:23.396 living and 00:37:23.429 --> 00:37:28.115 And that's how I was brought up and that's what I taught my kids. They 00:37:28.148 --> 00:37:33.756 learn to do things, all the things that I've done and learned, and they're 00:37:33.789 --> 00:37:36.876 doing it better than I have. 00:37:36.909 --> 00:37:42.727 And they can make jewelry, they can make um cell phone case with initial 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:50.760 on it. And so many things as my aunt up there and her husband, her husband 00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:59.260 passed on a few months ago. But there's my mother's younger sister. 00:37:59.849 --> 00:38:06.126 When we started talking, we were talking about um. Uh, birth in the 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:11.336 process of birth and what it means to have children. Um, how complicated 00:38:11.369 --> 00:38:19.256 that experience is and how, um. Sometimes communicating your experience 00:38:19.289 --> 00:38:24.017 can help other people be less, you know, afraid, or can you kind of 00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:29.276 revisit some of those thoughts that you were talking about? 00:38:29.309 --> 00:38:35.646 By having a child, um. 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:40.885 I don't really remember, but I remember. 00:38:40.918 --> 00:38:46.686 My mom or my dad says things like, uh if it's gonna be a girl, she's gonna 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:52.066 always make bread and do weaving and that kind of stuff they would talk 00:38:52.099 --> 00:38:56.195 about. And they didn't say she's gonna go dancing, didn't like nothing 00:38:56.228 --> 00:39:02.695 like that. She doesn't watch TV or something. No, nothing like that. It 00:39:02.728 --> 00:39:05.807 was always um. 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:12.155 What they experience in life. And so I guess that's also to. Distort them 00:39:12.188 --> 00:39:17.717 in my mind to be in power, so when I have my family, that's what I have to 00:39:17.750 --> 00:39:24.405 look for. So It was always preparing me with that that's what they led for 00:39:24.438 --> 00:39:32.438 me. They, um, everything that they taught me. It was preparation. My 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:38.865 grandmother told me that too. She said, I'm not gonna be here forever. And 00:39:38.898 --> 00:39:44.566 I don't know about that. I said, where are you going? I said, what are you 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.057 talking about? 00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:53.119 She said, you're too little to know now. She said, I'll tell you sometime. 00:39:53.550 --> 00:39:55.550 And she didn't 00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.247 And 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.577 When she passed, I saw her in a casket. 00:40:03.610 --> 00:40:07.727 I didn't cry, I just looked at her. 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.686 I said, I think I understand now. I told her. 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:19.878 So it's kind of like 3 weeks later, it finally hit me. I just cry and cry. 00:40:21.728 --> 00:40:23.728 That's what she was talking about. That's why they prepare me. They say 00:40:26.510 --> 00:40:31.566 you either listen now. Or there's a door. 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.416 There's no place to go. 00:40:35.449 --> 00:40:39.876 How did you, um, how was the experience of being pregnant and feeling your 00:40:39.909 --> 00:40:45.106 daughter inside you and all of that? Yeah. 00:40:45.139 --> 00:40:48.026 It, it was um. 00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:53.686 It was a beautiful experience. And um I, I think I mentioned it to my mom 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.356 one day. I said, look at this bump, you know this one side. She said 00:40:58.389 --> 00:41:03.517 that's probably her her knee, she already said that it's probably her knee. 00:41:03.550 --> 00:41:06.396 She's probably just sitting there, you know, with her knee like that and 00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:08.635 her elbow. 00:41:08.668 --> 00:41:12.497 And I said, how do you know? 00:41:12.530 --> 00:41:17.006 And she just laughed. And she said, I remember when I was carrying you 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.195 used to do that too. 00:41:20.228 --> 00:41:25.586 So there wasn't that many. 00:41:25.619 --> 00:41:31.977 And talk about me being carried by her. But um she she told me that she 00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:34.727 nursed me. 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:39.896 And uh they didn't use diapers in those days. 00:41:39.929 --> 00:41:47.635 They use um kind of like a soft barks up a tree. Of a shrub and it's so 00:41:47.668 --> 00:41:54.396 silky, it's like cloth, softer than a diaper cloth diaper, softer than a 00:41:54.429 --> 00:41:58.856 pamper. That's what they use. 00:41:58.889 --> 00:42:06.546 What did you use? I use cloth diapers. I wash my hands. Once in a while I 00:42:06.579 --> 00:42:13.276 used Pampers like we were traveling. 00:42:13.309 --> 00:42:16.546 That's 00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:22.546 I think it's just just enjoying, you know, being pregnant and um. When I 00:42:22.579 --> 00:42:29.416 came across. Not having any maternity clothes, you know. And told my mom 00:42:29.449 --> 00:42:37.345 that. My pets gotten too small. She said, you know how to sew. So I made 00:42:37.378 --> 00:42:44.066 maternity pants and a shirt and. I said, look, I made these. She said they 00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:48.425 look nice. She said they look like they they look better than the store 00:42:48.458 --> 00:42:55.276 bought. She goes. I don't know how perfect it was, but. 00:42:55.309 --> 00:43:03.046 So that's nice. We, we are our geekle, you know, how she admired and 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:10.856 carried my sister and me. How she Lost my little sister. 00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:16.115 And uh there were no vehicles, so my dad carried my little sister on a 00:43:16.148 --> 00:43:21.796 horseback all the way to the City Hospital when she was a baby. Yeah, she 00:43:21.829 --> 00:43:28.807 was on the cradle board and 5 days after he he left her there, she died. 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:36.037 That's what they told him, but they never show him the. The grave 00:43:36.070 --> 00:43:42.115 Sometime I say, what if she's alive. What if somebody just wanted to take 00:43:42.148 --> 00:43:46.845 her? And raise her 00:43:46.878 --> 00:43:53.736 Yeah, that's scary just the not knowing. And I, I told my mom that I think 00:43:53.769 --> 00:44:00.256 she said that she saw someone that looks just a light like me. OK I said I 00:44:00.289 --> 00:44:06.626 did too. I I saw somebody it it looks like me. We look at each other and 00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:14.659 we smile. I was I was um. Working with the criminal justice. 00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:20.816 And it was uh a big time witness advocate. 00:44:20.849 --> 00:44:26.307 And I, we went to this one place and there was a, a young girl. She was 00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:33.796 standing outside the whole gun. And she looks just like my mom, my dad. 00:44:33.829 --> 00:44:38.787 And then I thought, what it does. 00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:46.590 So sometime I, I, I, I don't know who to talk to because they're very. 00:44:47.619 --> 00:44:49.619 Protective about the records, you know. In the city So there's there's 00:44:54.260 --> 00:45:00.626 really no way to to find out. My mom, my dad said they went to Tuba. They 00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:07.405 went to a cemetery and they look. They saw nothing. 00:45:07.438 --> 00:45:12.486 Maybe it was too far to take her home, so. 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.175 God knows, you know. 00:45:16.208 --> 00:45:22.577 mystery. In those days it was like that. 00:45:22.610 --> 00:45:27.537 How did you end up getting? I just keep, I keep envisioning this this 00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:32.856 picture of you with your baby and the can of condensed milk in Tuba City. 00:45:32.889 --> 00:45:38.956 How did you end up getting from there back to your parents' house? Um, I 00:45:38.989 --> 00:45:44.345 think somebody from the Presbyterian Church took us out there. There was a 00:45:44.378 --> 00:45:51.115 man that had a little uh church down in our area, so he comes into the 00:45:51.148 --> 00:45:56.436 city. I think he took us home. I try to think about it, that's him. He 00:45:56.469 --> 00:46:02.615 took us home. And it was funny. I got out of the car and I was carrying a 00:46:02.648 --> 00:46:10.648 baby. And It was no longer a 2 by 4. He was a real baby. 00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:20.579 And I didn't even have any baby carrier nothing. We didn't have those. So 00:46:22.780 --> 00:46:29.195 Dairy make cradle board. It was already when we got it. 00:46:29.228 --> 00:46:35.557 And then they They blessed my my daughter and they put her in. They left 00:46:35.590 --> 00:46:41.037 her arm hanging out and she was all waving it. 00:46:41.070 --> 00:46:45.577 Oh, that's that's the way it was and. 00:46:45.610 --> 00:46:49.365 They say you'll have a good posture and your leg will be nice and straight 00:46:49.398 --> 00:46:55.336 and. You know, you Keep your babies on cradle board. Can you describe what 00:46:55.369 --> 00:47:01.316 that looks like? The cradle board 00:47:01.349 --> 00:47:06.997 Mm. It's kind of like um. 00:47:07.030 --> 00:47:11.577 Do you have anything like that? 00:47:11.610 --> 00:47:18.876 It's kind of like a a board like like that. Just straight down. And down 00:47:18.909 --> 00:47:23.836 here it's just straight and then the pudding, it's just um strapping and 00:47:23.869 --> 00:47:29.635 then they had these um leather or either cloth goes zigzag, and then 00:47:29.668 --> 00:47:35.006 there's a string goes back and forth. You, you, um, wrap them in in each 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.086 loop. 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:41.217 I think I had a picture of it but. 00:47:41.250 --> 00:47:45.967 So that's, that's the good I have, I have, let me get it. My, my 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:54.000 children's work. 00:47:55.228 --> 00:47:58.267 Thank you 00:47:58.300 --> 00:48:02.905 To be there one and not. 00:48:02.938 --> 00:48:05.956 we 00:48:05.989 --> 00:48:13.989 I might have to take a break, step outside. 00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:27.727 So I have one for the boys and I have one for the girls. 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:34.477 Oh wow, I said one's OK. Oh my goodness. Like that. 00:48:34.510 --> 00:48:42.345 And then there's um a one up here like a hoop that's for the the head. And 00:48:42.378 --> 00:48:47.267 then another board that comes up on here it's strapped down and then then 00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:53.106 here they loop in with a cloth or either leather. They tie this together. 00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:57.267 Can I take a picture of it? Is that OK? No, no, it's OK to say no. I just 00:48:57.300 --> 00:49:00.467 , I almost want to make a little drawing of it or something. It's really 00:49:00.500 --> 00:49:07.296 fascinating, yeah. Yeah, so I have one for the boys and one for the girls. 00:49:07.329 --> 00:49:12.416 Are they different sizes? Yeah, when they get a little bit bigger, I 00:49:12.449 --> 00:49:16.566 guess when they get into a bigger one, that means they wouldn't have a. 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:21.717 And be weaned out of it. So did you carry them in that? Yeah, like that, 00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:24.296 wow. 00:49:24.329 --> 00:49:30.385 And I don't know how maybe I was strong, you know, I was carrying my baby 00:49:30.418 --> 00:49:38.418 and just. It's amazing, isn't it? Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. 00:49:43.570 --> 00:49:51.570 What you 00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:01.845 Like Oh, I know my feet were talking like this is kind of nice too. Yeah, 00:50:01.878 --> 00:50:05.327 that's nice too. 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:10.986 We're talking about your jewelry. This is my children. Oh wow. 00:50:11.019 --> 00:50:17.967 Oh my goodness, what a beautiful family. Well, 64 boys, some of them my 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:21.586 grand grandson. 00:50:21.619 --> 00:50:26.146 This is my son that just came back, yeah. 00:50:26.179 --> 00:50:32.146 That's my lovely. That's they look lovely. That's really cute and they 00:50:32.179 --> 00:50:37.736 have families of their own. Yes, yes. Were they, did you give birth to all 00:50:37.769 --> 00:50:41.827 of them in the hospital? Yes. 00:50:41.860 --> 00:50:47.526 Yeah, did you ever have a C-section? No, no, it's this one, this one is 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.296 this one right here. 00:50:51.329 --> 00:50:56.896 This is the one that in the military right here, and then him, he lives in 00:50:56.929 --> 00:51:04.929 California. And then this one lives in Venus. These are my grandkids. 00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:10.365 That's my daughter back here, she's pregnant too. 00:51:10.398 --> 00:51:16.186 How many grandkids do you have? Altogether 13. 0 wow. That's my two 00:51:16.219 --> 00:51:20.945 youngest, uh, the one in in the military and the other one in. It's so 00:51:20.978 --> 00:51:23.026 sweet. 00:51:23.059 --> 00:51:29.695 That's the one in Venus is my daughter. It's my 2 old wife. 00:51:29.728 --> 00:51:33.796 That's wonderful. So who came to visit you today, or you said that you had 00:51:33.829 --> 00:51:39.086 um this one this one, yeah, that's. Oh yeah, they're gorgeous, his 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:43.166 children, beautiful family. Yeah, that's exciting. Where do they live 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:49.247 again? They, they live in Phoenix. They, they went to school here and they 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:54.635 got their grant and they went to college and done. You know, we're in 00:51:54.668 --> 00:51:58.356 Phoenix, yeah. 00:51:58.389 --> 00:52:01.046 That's wonderful. 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:07.646 And everybody knows him. He's kind of famous, very popular. We're 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.736 interested in a couple pieces of your jewelry. Can you give us any prices 00:52:10.769 --> 00:52:18.769 on them? Which one? The bracelet. And this one's a nice piece too. 00:52:19.300 --> 00:52:27.300 This one is 25, 25, 25. That's 25. Great. OK, we'll take these two. OK, I 00:52:28.289 --> 00:52:34.445 love them. OK, wonderful. Uh, can I write you a check? Is that OK? Yeah, I 00:52:34.478 --> 00:52:37.256 don't have cash with me. 00:52:37.289 --> 00:52:39.856 This is coral. 00:52:39.889 --> 00:52:43.577 That is really beautiful. This is Sleeping Beauty. It's really hard to get 00:52:43.610 --> 00:52:48.767 right now. What's called Sleeping Beauty? Yeah, oh, can you, what is your 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:53.345 name? Charlinda. 00:52:53.378 --> 00:53:01.378 What's your last name? Meera, M U L E R M U E L L E R. OK. 00:53:07.369 --> 00:53:13.467 U E L L E R. 00:53:13.500 --> 00:53:18.695 Oh great. You don't have to put my middle name in there just. It's a 00:53:18.728 --> 00:53:24.517 lovely first name, sure Linda. And that's really pretty. 00:53:24.550 --> 00:53:28.845 showing. 00:53:28.878 --> 00:53:35.936 The 28th or 29th, we said that several times the 28th and it's. 00:53:35.969 --> 00:53:38.289 About 1:30.