My children's And um
That really.
Put um it broke my heart. I mean, to me, marriage was, what the way I
understood my grandparents and my parents talk about is that We're
supposed to be married. And just, just enjoy that life regardless of what
, what is the outcome is of um. And the economical and all that and.
And we were to work together and I really believe that and when he made
the decision to go. And I was very hurt and then I was angry. And I kept
to myself, doing all these things, herding sheep, riding a horse, working
with cattles, just just everything, and um And then I was working, I was a
social worker work helping people with them. Domestic violence removing
children into a safer place, things like that that no, that that was on
the reservation. And um with the juvenile justice, I commute from here to
the reservation. They had 9 areas on the Western Agency. And um did you
grow up on the reservation? Yes, I have both reservation Oregon, Utah, New
Mexico. That's where uh they called it and the BIA school, you know, and
that's where they move us around. We was, did you, um, do you have a lot
of sisters or brothers? I only have one sister, older sister. We had, um,
a, a younger sister, but neither one of us saw her. And so We just
Done what our parents told us to do. You know that maintain. Uh what they
were teaching us and it's all for our own good. And And when we knew these
things and when we live by what they lectured and what they demonstrate.
We were, we were not supposed to experience. I mean, we were we experience
some ups and down in the future, but if we had knowledge of things like
this, you know, and we'll always have some money in our pocket, and have
food in our cabinet, a blanket in the house, things like that, you know,
and they told me, if you don't know nothing, if you're lazy, if you sleep
till the sun comes up, you don't go running.
You don't roll in the snow and you don't do these things, you. You're
gonna be like a bum, you know, not knowing anything. You're gonna always
say give me this, give me that, you know. Did you meet the father of your
children on the reservation? Um, I met them through school. Um, I said
them because I, I was married twice. First I, I was in high school when I
met my children's father. And um a big storm came in. I was going to
school in Albuquerque and uh I came home for Christmas and the the storm
went in and the bus and they couldn't go through to pick us up. So they
transferred me from Albuquerque to Page. So I graduated in Page.
And um
We did, did you fall in love right away? Oh no, I, uh, all those things
were taught to us too. Like I said, you know, when you grow up, when you
get married, all this and that. I wasn't, I was embarrassed to have a
boyfriend. And um cause I thought somebody might laugh about me, tease me.
In those days, people used to tease you, you know. And it's almost like
you put some kind of a cover here so you won't look around that way. But I
was sitting in the classroom and he was sitting behind me. He had a pin
and poked me right here. And he said, what's your name? And I didn't know
what to tell him. And um I just didn't bother him for the I think the 3rd
day I finally told him. I, I didn't tell him my name, but I told him I got
transferred. He asked me where I was from. Because I mean, um, I came in
the midterm. And um
Because I
Too many credits. I had um 2 study hall. I had um. Home economic things
that you know I could have become a welder or a doctor or some, you know,
and they say, you have too many credits, you know, you can't even walk
across the stage, we'll give you a diploma and I'll just walk out. I said
, no, I wanna graduate. I wanna walk across the stage like. What my father
wants me to to do for them and for myself. So I
They accepted that. So I had all those, you know, I had a few classes like
uh English and uh I didn't have math because I was done with it. I was
kind of loping around. I go to the office and help.
So here at Coconino I didn't want me because my credit was higher than the
public school. I went to a boarding school. And um They didn't want me
here and finally Paige accepted me because I lived close to it. And then I
, I, I graduated there. So and oh sorry, go ahead, and my, my father. He
told me he says, um. Go to school. And I want you to go at this piece of
paper. Not being Um, reasons, but he said white people are talking about a
piece of paper. He said, go get it and show me what it looks like. He said
they call it diploma.
I said I'll look forward. I didn't know what it looked like I was just a
little girl. So I went and I, I. I went to school and I got my diploma, my
father and my mother were there. They they're both deceased now. And um.
When I walked across the stage, I went to them. And I opened my diploma
and I told my dad, this is what it looks like. He said how cheap
This is what they're talking about. He spent 12 years away from us. What
did they teach you to give you a piece of paper?
We have worldwide reservation Hawaii, what you learn. It's higher than
that piece of paper.
He wasn't angry but that was his remark. And then right there he told me
by now I think you know. You're not done. You had to go again. Yeah, go to
college, something called college. Go over there. There's another paper
that go get it. So were you married at this point or no? But anyway, I
back to the classroom. And then I was on my way to the study hall and my
children's father caught up with me. He says, what class do you take? I
didn't talk to him because I, I was shy. And
And then he followed me. I went to study hall, and he says, I thought your
study hall was in the other class because he didn't know I had to. And And
then he says, how come you got all these easy class library and things
like that. I know, I said just put me in there. They didn't want me in the
classroom.
You just laugh about it and.
And then I guess he went to the office and ask why, you know, they were so
mean to me that I wasn't. Reading and studying what he's studying, and
they told him that I have more credits than the public school students.
And he says, you're really smart. I said, maybe, I don't know.
Maybe I've done something good, maybe I've done something bad.
Maybe I'm lacking something.
I said, whatever, you know, I'm just doing what they. Say, well, get me to
walk across the stage.
So that that's that's how we met. We went to um. Well, I brought him a
lunch, I ride the bus. Um, 30, 30 minutes from our house to town. And, and
then another day, my friend, my, my girlfriend, she made sandwich. I guess
she forgot to uncover the cheese, those sliced sheet. And we're all at the
park and and she says, here, here's some sandwich. She says, oh, thank you.
And he was trying to bite it and he said, what's in there? And then she
looked at and she started laughing. She wears a Coconino high now, my
friend, she's uh a secretary.
And I guess she said, I'm so sorry, I forgot to take those plastic off the
sheets. So that that's how we all met. I really wanted him to go with my
friend. I didn't want him. I didn't like him. Um, he was tall. And I'm
just petite.
And um my friends short too, but. I thought well they they match, they
should go together, you know. And so I, I told him I got to get to class
so I leave here and grab his book bag and he followed me and So he kept
doing it and pretty soon we he said let's go to the ceremony together. And
uh so we went, I didn't know he didn't speak Navajo. He was brought up in
a mission. Um,
So I, I was talking to him in Nava and he said, I don't understand what
you're saying.
So um it was nothing.
I never told him what I said. So that's how we met and we started going
together and he asked me if he could meet my parents. I said no.
Um, my mom, my dad said I'm not ready. I gotta go get a piece of paper.
I'm on a mission now to get the paper. So then what happens? You, you went
off to college. Well, you went to the military and that was a help. And I
went on with my school. And after I graduate and. And then um
I went to in AU. And I was working at the women's shelter. And that's,
they had um free class for the people that were working there. So I start
up in social work and.
And I
It was OK. And then when he got to English, it got so difficult and. And I
, I, my professor told us that um we had to write an essay.
And I knew what essay is from my point of view, so I wrote it, and in
front of everybody, she walked up to me, she says, this is not how you do
an essay.
And she was so upset with me. She looked at me, she says, I don't think
you belong in college.
And then I closed my book. And I said, and everybody was quiet, and
everybody was listening. It took me a while and I finally said, you know.
You, you said that um I don't belong here. I said what if If it's you that
don't belong in here.
And she turned around and she said, what? I said, if you were on it, I
said. How did you get a diploma?
And you're saying what you said to me and. Any professors, they shouldn't
say that. If you think that I don't understand whose fault is it? I said,
you're the teacher. Maybe you need to do some more research and teach me
how to do the essay the way you like it. The way you want my Navajo words
to be turned around.
I said I have nothing against you.
So how was it, you know, in the, in the long run, dealing with marriage
and starting a family when you have like 1 ft in two different cultures at
the same time?
Um, It wasn't only the culture and it was also the family. The the family
he's from. Um. They even though they're Navajos, they were. Very
judgmental and um. They um I don't know how they got information on my
family. They said that I come from a bad family. Very poor family. And we
have livestock.
We weren't poor.
I, I look back and I've, I've. A lot of people say we were poor. And we
have no resources. I always think that's a lie. I always say that's a lie
, because we've got everything. And life out there. You can stand at the
top of a hill and look around. Everything's there. So medicine, food, uh,
activities, everything you can have with your children, yourself,
everything is there. If you look, if you listen, if you have knowledge and
you can. Be the richest person there. And be in better health. And that's
that's how I look at it. I always say, I was brought up in a very healthy
environment. There was no drugs, no alcohol. No hitting, no spanking, no
yelling, nothing. Um, is that the how you wanted to raise your family?
That's how I raised my family. I taught them everything I do. So Had you
seen other women um give birth on the reservation, or was that, what is
the, is that just a private thing to each family or is it a community? We
don't go to somebody's house because they're having a baby. That that's
not. Then that people. Um, We can go there for baby shower. And maybe a
birthday.
But other than that, when somebody is giving a birth, you don't go over
there. So did you have any idea what to expect? Um,
Nobody told me. It's private And It's not gonna be exactly the way they
experience my parents. Um, I heard a lot of stuff through school. Uh,
health.
And uh, but it didn't dawn on me, it was just talk. Because my grandmother
and my mother said, it's our own personal experience. It's not because
somebody had a baby with a horrible pain. Oh, you know, some of them, they
didn't have no pain.
And uh some of them didn't even show they were having babies. And So my,
my, my grandmother said.
Who are we to talk about somebody else?
You know, and We can still ride horse, we can do things, we can herd sheep
, she said there's no limit. It was just every every exercise that comes
along, we can do it.
And um she's my grandmother is the one that delivered me.
And uh At home, at home. And of course they don't talk about it. She
didn't tell you the story of your birth.
The only thing she told me is, um, my dad got so scared, he panic, he
packed his stuff and took them outside. And he put them all against the
hill and put the food out there, blankets. I don't know why he was
thinking. And then they told him, you come back in here, you have a little
girl. So I don't know what he did, but that's what my grandmother said.
And then.
The mom's mother can't look at the the son-in-law.
You say if you look at your son-in-law, you'll go blind.
So it, it sounds ridiculous, but it's true. So when you finally introduced
your husband to your family, your mother could not look at him in the eyes.
He, he went to her and he told her mom. So
It was like his mother. And my mom would just laugh and sit there like
that, shy. They didn't speak English, but they, they understood.
And um
When I had my first child, my, I was still in school. And my, my mom said.
Well now this is my baby. You go back to school. Go do what your father
had asked of you to do for yourself. So you can come back and raise these
kids.
She said, I'm not gonna raise her. I'm just taking care of her.
So I did, and I went back to school. Was that hard to leave your new baby
? No.
Because my mom was. My, my, my teacher, she taught me everything. I know
she would. Do better than what she taught me. You know, there are things
she left out, maybe she learned more about that she would share with my
daughter.
So, and then the. After a while when I come home, she's my little girl
started tell um saying. My sister to me.
And
That kind of um. Put the confusion in my, in my heart and.
And I, I, I didn't say what or anything, I just talked with her, told her
what she wanted to know. And took a while and. And one day we're sitting
together and she looked at me and she said, is it true? She said, Yolanda.
Is it true you're my mother?
How old was she then? She was about. 4
So did you live with your parents in the same home? No, I didn't live with
my parents. I live at the BIA school.
And um
We were taken away from a boarding school. And Without our parents'
consent. They just load us up and hauled us away. And I didn't see my
parents for 9 months at a time.
And they do all kinds of stuff to us. They I have real long hair, they cut
it up. Because I don't know how to braid my hair. And what I learned, it
took me a long time to braid it, so they just chop it up.
That's That's how I went to school, and I always told my kids. You know,
You're very fortunate. Your mom, your dad can't speak English.
My parents didn't speak English. But I made it. And you can do it too. So
you just set your mind to it, to it.
Just remember to, to let me know so I can come to your graduation.
So they graduate.
And
One of my son has a business and the other one started a business in
California.
So they all Doing great, doing good things. My oldest Emma. She went to
the military. And um she got out there uh Desert Storm.
And then my youngest went to the military. He just completed 10 years.
Just came home 2 weeks ago. So we have family reunion here. After not
seeing him for almost 3 years and. He came home. So did you give birth to
your child in your parents' home or in the hospital or? Um, no, I went to
the hospital.
I, I have my babies in the hospital.
Were your parents were present or was anyone there that you knew? Or were
you by yourself? I was by myself. I
That's the way it was, you know, they never were there when we were with
our whoever we made with and. You know, it's something we made a decision
on to have a baby.
And that the baby is born, then they come in.
So the father came in after the baby was born after your daughter was.
Yeah, so
I, I With my first one, we came shopping here in Flagstaff. And I was
running around taking care of everything, and then all of a sudden I
started experiencing pain. And then I thought it must be tired or
something, you know, it was my waist. It wasn't so bad, it was just like
aching.
And then I thought maybe it's because I'm walking on the sidewalk and pave.
So I try not to think it's it's time to have the baby.
But uh I didn't have it till the. The next day.
And uh did you go into the hospital at that point when you felt the pain?
No, I didn't. I want the pain to go away, so I just stayed at home. Until
it got so bad and then. I told my grandparents, I said, I think I'm having
a baby.
And um
That's how I got into the hospital. Was that a long drive from the
reservation, I assume with your grandparents, or were they in the city or
how at that time it was a long drive because there was no pave. It was
dirt road.
And all that bump
So that's um My grandpa was the first person that came in. And he looked
at her and he said, This is one of the new generation, she already has um
dark eyebrow.
Curly lash, curly hair.
You just laugh about it because I, I have natural curl too. And uh He said
that Nowadays, the babies, you know, they're all ready, they got their
makeup on and.
he joke about it.
But um, they all help me.
They They didn't ask me if my daughter needs diapers or. Oh, they just
bought it because. They, because I'm their child and their their their
granddaughter. And they knew I, I had all of that, but You know, they,
they bought them and drop it off and That baby shower every week or
something, you know.
And she would come and my grandma was gonna buy a dress, but I don't know
what size she wears.
But I'll make one for, you know. So there's just how.
Did you nurse or use formula or any other thing, goat's milk? No, um. It
it was kind of funny. I, when I left the hospital from Tuba, I told him I
want to go home. And they said, do you have a right? I didn't want to be
in there, so I said, yes, I have a right. So they gave me some little
blankets and some bottle and I don't remember what else they gave me. I
was just a little kid myself, and then I went to this mission. And too
well And then I found out we ran out of milk. I wasn't nursing her. I
tried to nurse her, she wouldn't. She won't even swallow any. So I left
her there. Talking about Uh turn like. I left, I look around, there was
nobody around. So I put her to bed and had hidden her behind on the
blanket and I ran all the way down to the trading post. It's just about a
block. And I bought 1 mil. I I think it was carnation, and then I ran all
the way back, and I forgot we didn't have a can opener. I was just I
wasn't sure what to do. I was thinking about how we nurse um the lamb and
the little kids, you know, I was thinking about that, but they have black
nipple on the bottle. But this one, you know I put a nipple on the bottle.
And then I I went um, asked one of the lady and. And she told me that um.
There was a knife and she she gave me the knife. And I opened the can. And
she asked me what it was for. I told him I wouldn't drink it. I didn't
tell her I had the baby, because they would say, everybody will gossip if
a young girl has a baby in those days, they would say she's no good, she
runs around, that's how she got pregnant, all this, you know, so I don't
want nobody to know.
So, and then all of a sudden my mom had carries the baby, so they wanna
know how that happened, you know, my mom got the baby and I'm still going
to school and people were confused.
And so that's just, it was my experience and My labors were really painful.
But I
But I have my little girl. Did they give you any pain medicine? I don't
think so. I really don't think so. I was a little girl when I used to herd
sheep, and I found this 2 by 4. We didn't have any toys in those days, and
I never knew there was a town or another place besides where we lived, the
whole gun.
And I was hurting the sheep and I found this 2 by 4. And I looked at it
and I thought, I wonder what they use this for. And then I, because we
don't use lumbers in our whole gun. And then But on the wagon, there are
boards, so I guess I got to talking with my grandpa, he told me they were
lumbers.
Then one day I was sitting there looking at the the the 2 by 4. On the
hill I was herding sheep and. And I started running this imagination. It's
just a little girl. And then I thought This is my baby. This is my toe.
And I tore up one of my bottom skirt off and I wrap it. And I don't know
who told me to how to take care of the baby. But I used to hide it in the
sagebrush because if I took it home, my grandma would build a fire with it.
So every time I go there, she I pick it up. And talked to that board. So
when I met my daughter, I look at my daughter and what I saw on that board
, that's what my daughter looked like.
Maybe similar black hair.
And I just cry. I cried because that's what I saw. That was the love I saw
when I was a little girl.
That's really touching. Yeah. Yeah, I think most of them. My desire of
having all other things. Was that one day I was hurting shape again, I saw
this magazine. It rained on, it was an old magazine. And away from home,
picked it up and I sat down and started looking at it. And I saw these
women with really nice dress, high heels, nail polish, and I thought when
I grow up I wouldn't have. Nail polish on my nails. I'm gonna curl hair.
I'm gonna put lipstick on my lips. I don't use lipstick. And I thought I
put eyebrow pencil on my eyes. I didn't know what they were, but I wanted
that. And they had a nice dress and I thought I'm gonna have a real nice
dress. They used to have those petticoats. I said, they all wanna grow and
have one. I never wore one. They went out of style.
So it was funny and I had that magazine for a long time, uh hidden in the
sagebrush.
I don't know, maybe the wind took it away, maybe my grandma found it and
built a fire with it. But that that was my childhood, you know, so. Um,
along with that, my, my grandparents and my parents, they talked to me
about someday I'm gonna have a family of my own.
And then I thought, what are they telling me? Am I good enough, you know,
I'm a child here. And there was my aunt and my sister, but the, the PIA
school takes them away and they go to school somewhere. I don't even know.
So I stay home. I heard she I wasn't old enough to go to school. So I
learned to ride a horse.
And
I was never afraid of horse.
And even the wild ones who used to ride them all up and we used to use our
skirt that pass you, come down and go into the bushes.
Sometime we land on a cactus and we get all these needles and. Somebody
had to pick them up for us. It was a lot of um A venture that I. I see,
but besides becoming a mom and all the preparation of being brought up.
With the firm and instruction and And all the artwork, how to take care of
the lifestyle, how to fix it for me. How to use the wool to make dress and
blankets and I learned all those things. I don't remember saying I don't
wanna do this. It was always.
A design that my grandma or my mom was putting in. And I wanted that. So
it's. That's how I went to school. There was, there was no cars, no TV,
nothing. And one day my dad brought back a radio.
And I sat there and I could hear people singing. We were sitting in the
shack made out of juniper tree. I said, Dad, I said, who's singing in
there? I said, what are those people doing in there? He said they're
singing.
And I said, how, how big are they? Are they little? So you just laugh
about it, it's just And then him and my mom, they went somewhere, I don't
know where they went. Then I know that my dad had these screwdrivers and I
saw him working on the radio. So he left and I unscrewed all the, the back
of the radio and I took that board off. And I look in there, there's
nobody. I say, hey. Yeah, where are you guys, you know. Let me come in.
There's nothing And then I put it back together. That's before I even
went to school. I know which school goes back in, but I guess I put them
back in crooked. And my dad said the radio is not working, he said. Did
you fool around with it? Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead, I told him I said that you can answer. I you I said You can
listen to it. I didn't ruin it. I just look in there for those people that
we're seeing. And he laughed. He, he wasn't mad at me. He was so. You can
say you're so funny.
And he said that, it's just the voice, it's just in the air. I said, how
come I don't see it, you know, that so many things I talk about. I wanted
to see it. And sometime I would sit there and I would almost see the notes.
I mean, I guess that's how powerful I made my mind work. And I didn't
know what airplane was. Not Just, just, just a way of in that way of
living and
And that's how I was brought up and that's what I taught my kids. They
learn to do things, all the things that I've done and learned, and they're
doing it better than I have.
And they can make jewelry, they can make um cell phone case with initial
on it. And so many things as my aunt up there and her husband, her husband
passed on a few months ago. But there's my mother's younger sister.
When we started talking, we were talking about um. Uh, birth in the
process of birth and what it means to have children. Um, how complicated
that experience is and how, um. Sometimes communicating your experience
can help other people be less, you know, afraid, or can you kind of
revisit some of those thoughts that you were talking about?
By having a child, um.
I don't really remember, but I remember.
My mom or my dad says things like, uh if it's gonna be a girl, she's gonna
always make bread and do weaving and that kind of stuff they would talk
about. And they didn't say she's gonna go dancing, didn't like nothing
like that. She doesn't watch TV or something. No, nothing like that. It
was always um.
What they experience in life. And so I guess that's also to. Distort them
in my mind to be in power, so when I have my family, that's what I have to
look for. So It was always preparing me with that that's what they led for
me. They, um, everything that they taught me. It was preparation. My
grandmother told me that too. She said, I'm not gonna be here forever. And
I don't know about that. I said, where are you going? I said, what are you
talking about?
She said, you're too little to know now. She said, I'll tell you sometime.
And she didn't
And
When she passed, I saw her in a casket.
I didn't cry, I just looked at her.
I said, I think I understand now. I told her.
So it's kind of like 3 weeks later, it finally hit me. I just cry and cry.
That's what she was talking about. That's why they prepare me. They say
you either listen now. Or there's a door.
There's no place to go.
How did you, um, how was the experience of being pregnant and feeling your
daughter inside you and all of that? Yeah.
It, it was um.
It was a beautiful experience. And um I, I think I mentioned it to my mom
one day. I said, look at this bump, you know this one side. She said
that's probably her her knee, she already said that it's probably her knee.
She's probably just sitting there, you know, with her knee like that and
her elbow.
And I said, how do you know?
And she just laughed. And she said, I remember when I was carrying you
used to do that too.
So there wasn't that many.
And talk about me being carried by her. But um she she told me that she
nursed me.
And uh they didn't use diapers in those days.
They use um kind of like a soft barks up a tree. Of a shrub and it's so
silky, it's like cloth, softer than a diaper cloth diaper, softer than a
pamper. That's what they use.
What did you use? I use cloth diapers. I wash my hands. Once in a while I
used Pampers like we were traveling.
That's
I think it's just just enjoying, you know, being pregnant and um. When I
came across. Not having any maternity clothes, you know. And told my mom
that. My pets gotten too small. She said, you know how to sew. So I made
maternity pants and a shirt and. I said, look, I made these. She said they
look nice. She said they look like they they look better than the store
bought. She goes. I don't know how perfect it was, but.
So that's nice. We, we are our geekle, you know, how she admired and
carried my sister and me. How she Lost my little sister.
And uh there were no vehicles, so my dad carried my little sister on a
horseback all the way to the City Hospital when she was a baby. Yeah, she
was on the cradle board and 5 days after he he left her there, she died.
That's what they told him, but they never show him the. The grave
Sometime I say, what if she's alive. What if somebody just wanted to take
her? And raise her
Yeah, that's scary just the not knowing. And I, I told my mom that I think
she said that she saw someone that looks just a light like me. OK I said I
did too. I I saw somebody it it looks like me. We look at each other and
we smile. I was I was um. Working with the criminal justice.
And it was uh a big time witness advocate.
And I, we went to this one place and there was a, a young girl. She was
standing outside the whole gun. And she looks just like my mom, my dad.
And then I thought, what it does.
So sometime I, I, I, I don't know who to talk to because they're very.
Protective about the records, you know. In the city So there's there's
really no way to to find out. My mom, my dad said they went to Tuba. They
went to a cemetery and they look. They saw nothing.
Maybe it was too far to take her home, so.
God knows, you know.
mystery. In those days it was like that.
How did you end up getting? I just keep, I keep envisioning this this
picture of you with your baby and the can of condensed milk in Tuba City.
How did you end up getting from there back to your parents' house? Um, I
think somebody from the Presbyterian Church took us out there. There was a
man that had a little uh church down in our area, so he comes into the
city. I think he took us home. I try to think about it, that's him. He
took us home. And it was funny. I got out of the car and I was carrying a
baby. And It was no longer a 2 by 4. He was a real baby.
And I didn't even have any baby carrier nothing. We didn't have those. So
Dairy make cradle board. It was already when we got it.
And then they They blessed my my daughter and they put her in. They left
her arm hanging out and she was all waving it.
Oh, that's that's the way it was and.
They say you'll have a good posture and your leg will be nice and straight
and. You know, you Keep your babies on cradle board. Can you describe what
that looks like? The cradle board
Mm. It's kind of like um.
Do you have anything like that?
It's kind of like a a board like like that. Just straight down. And down
here it's just straight and then the pudding, it's just um strapping and
then they had these um leather or either cloth goes zigzag, and then
there's a string goes back and forth. You, you, um, wrap them in in each
loop.
I think I had a picture of it but.
So that's, that's the good I have, I have, let me get it. My, my
children's work.
Thank you
To be there one and not.
we
I might have to take a break, step outside.
So I have one for the boys and I have one for the girls.
Oh wow, I said one's OK. Oh my goodness. Like that.
And then there's um a one up here like a hoop that's for the the head. And
then another board that comes up on here it's strapped down and then then
here they loop in with a cloth or either leather. They tie this together.
Can I take a picture of it? Is that OK? No, no, it's OK to say no. I just
, I almost want to make a little drawing of it or something. It's really
fascinating, yeah. Yeah, so I have one for the boys and one for the girls.
Are they different sizes? Yeah, when they get a little bit bigger, I
guess when they get into a bigger one, that means they wouldn't have a.
And be weaned out of it. So did you carry them in that? Yeah, like that,
wow.
And I don't know how maybe I was strong, you know, I was carrying my baby
and just. It's amazing, isn't it? Yeah, it's pretty bizarre.
What you
Like Oh, I know my feet were talking like this is kind of nice too. Yeah,
that's nice too.
We're talking about your jewelry. This is my children. Oh wow.
Oh my goodness, what a beautiful family. Well, 64 boys, some of them my
grand grandson.
This is my son that just came back, yeah.
That's my lovely. That's they look lovely. That's really cute and they
have families of their own. Yes, yes. Were they, did you give birth to all
of them in the hospital? Yes.
Yeah, did you ever have a C-section? No, no, it's this one, this one is
this one right here.
This is the one that in the military right here, and then him, he lives in
California. And then this one lives in Venus. These are my grandkids.
That's my daughter back here, she's pregnant too.
How many grandkids do you have? Altogether 13. 0 wow. That's my two
youngest, uh, the one in in the military and the other one in. It's so
sweet.
That's the one in Venus is my daughter. It's my 2 old wife.
That's wonderful. So who came to visit you today, or you said that you had
um this one this one, yeah, that's. Oh yeah, they're gorgeous, his
children, beautiful family. Yeah, that's exciting. Where do they live
again? They, they live in Phoenix. They, they went to school here and they
got their grant and they went to college and done. You know, we're in
Phoenix, yeah.
That's wonderful.
And everybody knows him. He's kind of famous, very popular. We're
interested in a couple pieces of your jewelry. Can you give us any prices
on them? Which one? The bracelet. And this one's a nice piece too.
This one is 25, 25, 25. That's 25. Great. OK, we'll take these two. OK, I
love them. OK, wonderful. Uh, can I write you a check? Is that OK? Yeah, I
don't have cash with me.
This is coral.
That is really beautiful. This is Sleeping Beauty. It's really hard to get
right now. What's called Sleeping Beauty? Yeah, oh, can you, what is your
name? Charlinda.
What's your last name? Meera, M U L E R M U E L L E R. OK.
U E L L E R.
Oh great. You don't have to put my middle name in there just. It's a
lovely first name, sure Linda. And that's really pretty.
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