WEBVTT 00:00:00.159 --> 00:00:05.646 This is Boris Solis interviewing Christiane Feibrech on September 11, 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:10.767 2015 for the Creative Push project. All right. So, um, could you start by 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:14.896 just telling us a little bit about yourself? What do you want to know? 00:00:14.929 --> 00:00:20.736 Well, I am a French, but I live in Germany for 8 years. This is where I 00:00:20.769 --> 00:00:26.497 gave birth to my two daughters, and I live in, uh, I live here in the US 00:00:26.530 --> 00:00:33.417 for almost 40 years, and my kids are completely Americanized. Uh That's it. 00:00:33.450 --> 00:00:37.676 So, um, 00:00:37.709 --> 00:00:41.835 maybe we can talk about both births, try to keep them a little bit 00:00:41.868 --> 00:00:44.557 separate, you know, so we'll talk about the first one and then the second 00:00:44.590 --> 00:00:48.835 one. can you take us back to the conception of the first one? Was it 00:00:48.868 --> 00:00:53.436 planned or? No, the first one was not planned. I was, no, it was not 00:00:53.469 --> 00:00:58.515 planned at all. I started to work and I had took a new job in February and 00:00:58.548 --> 00:01:02.856 two months later I had to tell them, oh, I have a, I'm pregnant. So that 00:01:02.889 --> 00:01:08.275 was not too fun, but I did not advan advan the girl because I had a. It 00:01:08.308 --> 00:01:12.406 was not easy for me to conceive according to the doctor. So I just met her 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:20.439 and had and had Natalie, uh, in October. It was a. A vacuum bus because 00:01:20.489 --> 00:01:26.316 she couldn't come out. And I was asleep. They may put me asleep because I 00:01:26.349 --> 00:01:31.305 had just, I don't know what exactly happened, but anyway, I did not 00:01:31.338 --> 00:01:35.087 deliver normally that's all I know. I, 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:38.986 uh, it was a vacuum, you know, like a with a vacuum bus and then when I 00:01:39.019 --> 00:01:44.406 was awake, I just saw the doctor at the end and the baby was next to me. 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.007 So it was this one that that's all. I don't remember anything. How was, um 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:51.826 , so when you found out you were pregnant, what was your feelings about 00:01:51.859 --> 00:01:56.385 the pregnancy? Were you very excited or no, I wasn't. 00:01:56.418 --> 00:02:01.656 I was a little annoyed because it was not planned really because I wanted 00:02:01.689 --> 00:02:07.975 to work a little longer so, uh, was it an annoyed me it just it would just 00:02:08.008 --> 00:02:12.217 , you know, once after that it was just OK. I just was up here to have why 00:02:12.250 --> 00:02:16.017 did you why did the doctor think it would be difficult for you to see, uh 00:02:16.050 --> 00:02:21.856 , because I was, I don't know exactly, but, uh, I had uh. What these 00:02:21.889 --> 00:02:25.055 doctors have to conceive, but to give birth because I was narrow and the 00:02:25.088 --> 00:02:30.596 doctor said you may have to take a cesarean. But they did not do it, so 00:02:30.629 --> 00:02:34.156 they did the vacuum because it was too late, I think to to do the cesarean 00:02:34.189 --> 00:02:38.755 or something because for the second bus, the doctor said to me, just be 00:02:38.788 --> 00:02:43.436 careful you may get a cesarean, but he went without, so it was fine. So 00:02:43.469 --> 00:02:47.995 you were always petite. I was always petite and you stayed petite while 00:02:48.028 --> 00:02:54.047 pregnant. Yes, I did. I did. Nobody uses when I was 77 months pregnant, 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.327 people said, Are you pregnant? Yeah. How much? 07 months, really? When I 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.406 was what I was like 4 or 5. No, I was always to cheat. Did you know the 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:08.305 sex? No. So at that time we did not know that's, you know, it was not 00:03:08.338 --> 00:03:12.547 coming to know the sex. What did you go through like ultrasounds and what 00:03:12.580 --> 00:03:16.536 was the, what was your experience preparing for the birth? Oh, I don't 00:03:16.569 --> 00:03:21.186 know what I just went to the doctor when, when I'm supposed to go, but I 00:03:21.219 --> 00:03:25.305 don't remember. I don't remember like um like ultrasound or something like 00:03:25.338 --> 00:03:29.267 this in Europe at that time. I just don't do not remember really. And it 00:03:29.300 --> 00:03:32.467 had always been planned that you would go to the hospital when you gave 00:03:32.500 --> 00:03:35.467 birth, or did they have midwives or no, no, it was planned to go to the 00:03:35.500 --> 00:03:41.636 hospital and that was common. That was common. And we stay a week. Oh. Um 00:03:41.669 --> 00:03:48.286 , OK, so. Take us to you also, was it your husband at the time or 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:55.927 boyfriend? Was he planning on being at the he was, but I said no. I didn't 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.846 want him to be there. So he did not insist. Do you remember? Did your 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:06.767 water break at home or no, I just, uh, I just went, I just started to have 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.876 contraction. It was the middle of the night. And my little suitcase was 00:04:10.909 --> 00:04:17.366 ready and I said all foring time to go and then we went and Uh, it just, 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:22.325 it just happened. Well, no, wear something else. I went 10 days. I was 00:04:22.358 --> 00:04:27.046 late 10 days for my due date, and the doctor said to me, so in 10 days you 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:33.127 will induce, you will induce the labor. And just the day before it was 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:40.286 supposed to be induced and I got then I started to have uh. 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.495 You were lucky, yeah, I was lucky because a lot of times the induction 00:04:43.528 --> 00:04:48.895 leads to another intervention. I was lucky. It went, it went good even so 00:04:48.928 --> 00:04:54.055 I was a little freaked out when uh the the nurse told me, oh look, your 00:04:54.088 --> 00:04:58.895 placenta where it was, it was getting bad. I said everything was fine with 00:04:58.928 --> 00:05:03.536 Natalie, so fine. So, um, was it winter time or summer? October it was 00:05:03.569 --> 00:05:09.726 October or September. Um, so it was very cold. No, no, no, no, it's like a 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:14.926 fall in in Europe is nice. It's like, yeah, it's nice. So, um, so you 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.887 started having contractions at home, you went to the hospital, checked in 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:25.116 , and then how long did that take for you? The bravery itself, um. 00:05:25.149 --> 00:05:29.745 I think I was there in the middle of the night. 00:05:29.778 --> 00:05:37.666 2 or 3 And if I am not mistaken. 00:05:37.699 --> 00:05:41.455 I think she was going around. 00:05:41.488 --> 00:05:44.745 3 in the afternoon or something like that. I don't remember exactly. I 00:05:44.778 --> 00:05:50.495 just know the second one, but I don't remember. So did you have an IV or 00:05:50.528 --> 00:05:56.416 what were the Not that I remember, and you were laying on the bed, yeah. 00:05:56.449 --> 00:06:01.296 Can you describe the space, the room or anything? I can't because I don't 00:06:01.329 --> 00:06:04.536 remember because like I say, I was asleep to put me to sleep, so I don't 00:06:04.569 --> 00:06:08.257 remember. So tell me about that. So you didn't have an IV, but they gave 00:06:08.290 --> 00:06:12.866 you, at that time they don't give you IV um. 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:18.187 I think so. I would rightly remember that the nurse said. 00:06:18.220 --> 00:06:23.325 OK, you can push whatever. There was something we was pushing I say, I 00:06:23.358 --> 00:06:27.967 have to put you to sleep now. I said, OK, fine. So and then uh they put me 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.325 to sleep and then when I came back, like I said, the doctor was there and 00:06:31.358 --> 00:06:36.127 the baby was next to me. So how did she, did you give you oral medication 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:44.160 through your mouth pill? No, I think she put, she gave me a Nature Wow. 00:06:44.528 --> 00:06:51.645 And that's fascinating. Yeah, just so one is much better. So he told you 00:06:51.678 --> 00:06:56.305 that he used the vacuum, but you didn't actually see it or. 00:06:56.338 --> 00:07:02.265 He told me, yeah, because my paper, I remember being awake, waking up and 00:07:02.298 --> 00:07:06.916 the doctor was at the bottom. I take his baby out with the vacuum, so I 00:07:06.949 --> 00:07:11.036 don't know exactly what it was, but I was likely aware of it, but it's 00:07:11.069 --> 00:07:16.075 just all my paper that a baby was born by vacuum, um, and your husband was 00:07:16.108 --> 00:07:22.895 not in the room so when you saw the baby, was there like uh any sign that. 00:07:22.928 --> 00:07:26.455 There's pink and yeah, there was pink, that was that, but you know when 00:07:26.488 --> 00:07:29.887 she was born, I mean. 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:35.156 we did not have the baby with with us in the room. They were outside and 00:07:35.189 --> 00:07:38.955 was always head covered with whatever, so you know, I just, I don tell you 00:07:38.988 --> 00:07:46.988 the truth it's so long ago. Did you nurse or? I did not have milk. Yeah, 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:52.967 and that was just, um, you know, naturally you didn't produce, yeah, I did 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.406 not produce milk, so I, we tried as the first time it was always such a 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.805 problem because I had to do and I didn't have red milk, so we have to put 00:08:01.838 --> 00:08:04.645 together 00:08:04.678 --> 00:08:10.866 prep formula and It was such an ordeal because that was just, you know, it 00:08:10.899 --> 00:08:14.106 was like taking hours to feed her so the doctor said I forget it, just 00:08:14.139 --> 00:08:19.197 give her a formula that will be fine. That's what I did. I was just a one 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:24.145 . I didn't 2. I just get directly. So, OK, let's talk about that. So how 00:08:24.178 --> 00:08:29.265 much time did you wait between the babies? Oh, they are 3.5 years apart in 00:08:29.298 --> 00:08:32.826 the 3 year and something. And the second one was planned then. The second 00:08:32.859 --> 00:08:37.576 plan was planned, yeah. So what was that, you know, you just 3 years have 00:08:37.609 --> 00:08:41.015 passed and you thought, I really couldn't. Yeah, but we have 2 years and 00:08:41.048 --> 00:08:44.655 then we say, well, now we just, you know, we can't have a second baby, so 00:08:44.688 --> 00:08:50.135 we just, uh, the attention, you know, so yeah, and then she was born in 00:08:50.168 --> 00:08:56.125 December 3 later, 3 quarter later. So why don't you take us back because 00:08:56.158 --> 00:08:59.895 you were mentioning before that the doctor had kind of prepared you. Yeah 00:08:59.928 --> 00:09:04.125 , when I was pregnant with my second daughter, the doctor said, Well, I 00:09:04.158 --> 00:09:08.566 would just let you know you may have to have a Cesarean. I said, OK, fine. 00:09:08.599 --> 00:09:14.846 And when I went to, I had like two doctors, I think when I went in in in 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:18.826 December. When I say, OK, I think I have to go now. Then they took me 00:09:18.859 --> 00:09:23.145 there when I was, I came at 3 I think and at 5 o'clock or 6 o'clock, the 00:09:23.178 --> 00:09:29.076 baby was born, so it was very quick. And I remember I was awake. Uh, I was 00:09:29.109 --> 00:09:35.206 , we did not have epidural at that time. I don't not in Europe at least 00:09:35.239 --> 00:09:40.645 you didn't have one epidural or you know this epidural, yeah, uh, I had 00:09:40.678 --> 00:09:44.726 laugh was what would call laughing guards, so put it there so we had 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:50.106 laughing guards. And I mean I remember that laughing us and when the baby 00:09:50.139 --> 00:09:55.375 was born. Uh, the doctor press up my belly, you know, to take off this. I 00:09:55.408 --> 00:09:59.746 was like, no, I was, I was yelling and taking his hand because he was 00:09:59.779 --> 00:10:04.246 hurting, but I was done. I mean, the, the girl was born in like a couple 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:09.875 of hours. So, and, and very easy even so the doctor said, you know, you 00:10:09.908 --> 00:10:13.956 may have problems so I don't know, but my, the girl was baby they were 5 00:10:13.989 --> 00:10:21.989 pounds each. OK, so tiny girl or boy, the two girls. So, um, so you, I 00:10:22.178 --> 00:10:27.807 started having contractions at home again. During during the night again 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.967 and then it was like 3 o'clock. I remember my husband so I was ready with 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:37.336 my suitcase. I remember my husband taking my oldest daughter because she 00:10:37.369 --> 00:10:41.135 was 3 in the car with us because we didn't, there was the middle and we 00:10:41.168 --> 00:10:45.217 didn't have the babysitter and he left me in the hospital without coming 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:51.307 in because I was uh it was with a girl. And they took me to where I was 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:56.505 supposed to go and give me the baths and whatever they do, and at 6 00:10:56.538 --> 00:11:00.667 o'clock I called my husband telling us that we have a girl. OK, let's back 00:11:00.700 --> 00:11:05.326 up. They gave you a bath. Do they shave you? Can you say that on record 00:11:05.359 --> 00:11:08.436 because that's unusual. They don't do that anymore. Oh yeah, they shave, 00:11:08.469 --> 00:11:13.746 yeah, yeah, they give you a bath and then they they shave you and then 00:11:13.779 --> 00:11:20.395 they give you a. Laksa or something, so a sedative, no laksa, so you do 00:11:20.428 --> 00:11:27.625 you. You don't so the the sheet or something. Yeah, they don't give you an 00:11:27.658 --> 00:11:32.015 enema though. No, they gave my mother an enema. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they 00:11:32.048 --> 00:11:35.417 did. So, yeah, where they did give it, yeah, that's who they did. They did 00:11:35.450 --> 00:11:41.297 , they did because, yeah, they did because I had a big uh, in my home like 00:11:41.330 --> 00:11:47.875 this was was the first girl yeah OK I couldn't sit. Yeah, 00:11:47.908 --> 00:11:52.177 can you say that they did um. When my first girl was born, they did that 00:11:52.210 --> 00:11:57.606 probably how do you call it enema enema, yeah, 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:03.015 and yeah, they did because when I was awake or what I couldn't sit. I was 00:12:03.048 --> 00:12:07.895 wondering why because I had a big a was that called that in my home or 00:12:07.928 --> 00:12:11.946 something, you know, like a bruise, yeah, big boos so that's what I know I 00:12:11.979 --> 00:12:17.066 had I had one and that for for the second bus to give me one too. I so 00:12:17.099 --> 00:12:21.346 they cut what you what you say they cut the that's what they do is they 00:12:21.379 --> 00:12:25.307 cut the episiotomy, yeah, they gave you an episiotomy. I don't know what 00:12:25.340 --> 00:12:30.307 that is. It's where they cut from your vagina your vagina, yeah, that's 00:12:30.340 --> 00:12:34.385 what they did on the first one. 00:12:34.418 --> 00:12:38.255 I guess it did on the first one too because this is where I I had this big 00:12:38.288 --> 00:12:46.288 uh bruise on my. Oh my, did you have stitches? Uh yeah. Mhm. Can you say 00:12:48.849 --> 00:12:53.336 they gave me an or an episiotomy? Is they gave me what an episiotomy, 00:12:53.369 --> 00:13:01.196 episionobi, is that what you said?isiotomy pinoy. I can't do that. 00:13:01.229 --> 00:13:07.086 I think he did fine. Um, OK, so that's very interesting, because those are 00:13:07.119 --> 00:13:09.967 practices they don't do anymore, which is one of these interesting things 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.287 of doing this project, particularly in Germany, hearing the stuff about 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:19.885 sedatives and laughing gas. It's fascinating. So with the second birth, 00:13:19.918 --> 00:13:24.991 you went in, they prepared you. And then they put you on the bed, yes, and 00:13:25.024 --> 00:13:29.130 they gave you, they gave me the mask, yeah, they gave me a and you were 00:13:29.163 --> 00:13:32.672 still having contractions. I was still having contraction and every time a 00:13:32.705 --> 00:13:37.691 comes it's a breeze in then they put the mask it's out the mask every time 00:13:37.724 --> 00:13:43.052 , you know, you feel like it was hurting and that was it. And did you find 00:13:43.085 --> 00:13:49.255 the laughing gas help with the, yeah, yeah. So, um, so then it was time to 00:13:49.288 --> 00:13:52.057 push. Yeah, it was time to push, and then I pushed, and then I mean he 00:13:52.090 --> 00:13:56.385 went very like I said, very, very fast. 00:13:56.418 --> 00:13:59.616 The first one, no, but the second one he was actually and your husband was 00:13:59.649 --> 00:14:02.336 not in the room. 00:14:02.369 --> 00:14:06.736 So was it the same doctor? Yeah. 00:14:06.769 --> 00:14:09.967 Yeah, there was the same doc well there was the same hospital I was under 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:17.057 the same doctor. Um, care. But it's the first time there was a professor 00:14:17.090 --> 00:14:20.116 itself would would deliver me and the second time there was one of this 00:14:20.149 --> 00:14:25.356 guy or whatever. So did you speak German? Do you speak yeah and French? 00:14:25.389 --> 00:14:33.037 Yeah. Any other languages? No, the English if I say so, um, OK, so then, 00:14:33.070 --> 00:14:39.096 um, you give birth and what was that rush? Did they say it's a girl or? 00:14:39.129 --> 00:14:42.976 Yeah, as I say, it's a girl, and then I know we did not have a name for 00:14:43.009 --> 00:14:45.645 her for the girl yet, so I just called my husband. I said, what that's her 00:14:45.678 --> 00:14:50.206 name? I did. I just even you didn't even tell him to choose and just call 00:14:50.239 --> 00:14:55.287 him and say, OK, we have an idea. Why were you calling him to tell you, 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:00.875 but he was at home. Because he was at home with the first girl with the 00:15:00.908 --> 00:15:04.736 first daughter. That's right, because you didn't have a baby a babysitter. 00:15:04.769 --> 00:15:09.866 That was the middle of it was 6 o'clock or whatever when I was 5 o'clock 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:14.246 when the girl was born, so I called him to tell him we have a girl. So 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.807 what name did he come up with? I did with the name because I like the 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:23.417 names. What was the name? Nadine, Nadine, nice. Wow, that's interesting. 00:15:23.450 --> 00:15:26.846 So then you stayed there for a week. Did he come the next day and visit, 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.736 uh, yeah, he come next way. uh, OK, I have to say it was the first, I was 00:15:31.769 --> 00:15:37.866 in the same clinic for both time. the first time for my first girl he came 00:15:37.899 --> 00:15:43.057 every day. The second time he could not come he came, but my daughter was 00:15:43.090 --> 00:15:48.086 not allowed to come with me. Uh, she was not allowed to go in the room 00:15:48.119 --> 00:15:54.326 with the baby, so we had to go out of the my room out of the little clinic 00:15:54.359 --> 00:16:00.596 and go in the hallway to to meet her. The children had a certain age were 00:16:00.629 --> 00:16:07.066 not allowed in a in a. In the clinic when I was there. So did you have a 00:16:07.099 --> 00:16:12.307 long recovery? I mean, were you in pain? No. No. 00:16:12.340 --> 00:16:17.427 No, I had, uh, no, I was fine. I just, I had like a gym before, you know, 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:21.145 like a prenatal, and then when I came back I did gymnastics too, and I in 00:16:21.178 --> 00:16:27.005 a couple of two months I was in shape to the gymnastics, yeah. Don't you 00:16:27.038 --> 00:16:35.038 do that here? No. Yes, you do, what you call um. Lama OK, let's back up. 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.840 This is like what you do with Lamar. It's not like so you're talking about 00:16:40.719 --> 00:16:46.726 gymnastic type aerobics that are specific for no, no aerobic, like stuff 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:52.667 that are specific to bis. You know a birthing class. Yeah, I guess it's 00:16:52.700 --> 00:16:57.515 the same as you do now I'm sick. Yeah, so can you talk to us a little bit 00:16:57.548 --> 00:17:02.356 about what that birthing class was? Well, there was once a week and then 00:17:02.389 --> 00:17:10.265 we were there and we did. Exercising, breathing and I remember lying down 00:17:10.298 --> 00:17:15.196 when you know. 11 hand here and one hand here, yeah, something like that. 00:17:15.229 --> 00:17:20.196 It was, it was to prepare us, I guess, for, for, for the birth and were 00:17:20.229 --> 00:17:25.166 the husbands integrated? No, they were just women. I never I never saw 00:17:25.199 --> 00:17:28.996 guys. Did you guys because a lot of times in America, it was normal to 00:17:29.029 --> 00:17:32.916 have a support network, where your mother would be there with you. Did you 00:17:32.949 --> 00:17:39.367 have family? No. Were they not in the area? Well, I don't have parents. I 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:46.446 am no fan and my in-law lived in I was a, I, I don't know, it was not in 00:17:46.479 --> 00:17:49.926 Germany. It was not like. 00:17:49.959 --> 00:17:52.936 You just, you were prean well, fine, you did what you have to do and then 00:17:52.969 --> 00:17:57.347 but you know it was not a big deal. 00:17:57.380 --> 00:18:02.217 It was not a big deal. You do if you, if you wanted, you could go to this 00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:07.607 gymnastic or some I call them, uh. But you don't have to. It was up to you 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:12.085 , you know, so and there's the same thing after the birth, you could also 00:18:12.118 --> 00:18:17.426 take this kind of gymnastic lesson to, you know, to get to get fit and 00:18:17.459 --> 00:18:22.575 what I did both times, so I, I, I came back to my shape pretty quickly. Um 00:18:22.608 --> 00:18:27.166 , I'm reading about labor and delivery in France, and they said that, I 00:18:27.199 --> 00:18:32.526 know you have a mean to go to. They said that after women give birth, 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:40.127 they're very much aware of women's pelvic floor and doing exercises for 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.857 your Our internal organs in a way that we don't in America. A lot of times 00:18:44.890 --> 00:18:49.906 women have incontinence after giving birth and in Europe, they just don't 00:18:49.939 --> 00:18:53.906 because they really do a lot of these and they'll actually put a ball 00:18:53.939 --> 00:18:59.246 inside a vagina and actually do some interns. I never heard about that. I 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.746 was curious. OK. 00:19:02.779 --> 00:19:08.766 OK, so then you brought the baby home and everything was fine. Yeah, yeah 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.967 , it was how were the two little girls with the 3 year old with the 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.496 newborn. 00:19:14.529 --> 00:19:18.815 I think that was kind of a jealousy, you know, like here, like a revalry 00:19:18.848 --> 00:19:22.857 with the kids and then but it was fine but they were each in a room, so I 00:19:22.890 --> 00:19:27.946 was paying attention. Yeah, it was fine. It was fine. Yeah. So I'll let 00:19:27.979 --> 00:19:31.137 you go because I know you have to go, but I want to ask you one more thing. 00:19:31.170 --> 00:19:35.946 Um, we've been asking people to kind of come up with um like reflect on 00:19:35.979 --> 00:19:41.347 their experience to come up with a word or phrasing of words that um 00:19:41.380 --> 00:19:44.867 portrays their experience or somehow encapsulates their experience and 00:19:44.900 --> 00:19:49.736 some people have said, um you know some people have said. I don't know. 00:19:49.769 --> 00:19:55.825 There's some good ones transformative or it's like 00:19:55.858 --> 00:19:58.696 the birth experience, it was almost like their child was giving birth to 00:19:58.729 --> 00:20:02.097 them and they'd be changed so much as a person. Can you reflect on your 00:20:02.130 --> 00:20:06.147 whole experience at all? You know, I, I just thought that was so easy, uh 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:10.825 , really, both, both times, even so for the first one I have ugly, uh, I 00:20:10.858 --> 00:20:15.545 don't remember everything at all because I was obviously, but for the 00:20:15.578 --> 00:20:19.075 second one that was easy and it was hurting, but you forget about that so 00:20:19.108 --> 00:20:25.026 quickly once you have, you know, it was, it's we did not have all this, uh 00:20:25.059 --> 00:20:28.706 , injection or whatever that you do here like my daughter did. Now they 00:20:28.739 --> 00:20:33.575 have the epidural you call them or whatever, but. I mean, yeah, sure, it 00:20:33.608 --> 00:20:37.545 hurts at the beginning, but you forget because the baby's here and then 00:20:37.578 --> 00:20:45.578 it's cute and then no, I mean. I I, I, I, no, it was. It was nothing. It 00:20:48.618 --> 00:20:55.256 was special because I have two beautiful babies, but uh. Um, there was not. 00:20:55.289 --> 00:21:00.805 Oh no, I don't see anything else I can tell you. Yeah. No, that was good. 00:21:00.838 --> 00:21:04.347 Thank you so much for doing this. I really. 00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:09.686 Yeah, I still I don't remember, you know, so I know, I, I know, but, but 00:21:09.719 --> 00:21:11.976 some of that is really fascinating for us because we haven't heard that 00:21:12.009 --> 00:21:16.815 perspective. You did not. Oh, it was a good things compared to here, so we 00:21:16.848 --> 00:21:22.926 stay one week in the hospital, yeah, so we were like really good, yeah, 00:21:22.959 --> 00:21:27.016 when we came back, you know, that was nice. Yeah, I stay a while too, and 00:21:27.049 --> 00:21:32.766 um and I remember that you did you have the Caesarean too? No, I was lucky. 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:38.085 I thought I was going to have a C-section, but I didn't. It was vaginal. 00:21:38.118 --> 00:21:41.446 I was very lucky because the recovery is harder with that, yeah, yeah, 00:21:41.479 --> 00:21:46.446 yeah, yeah, yeah, I was I was lucky too that I didn't have one because it 00:21:46.479 --> 00:21:51.585 was good. It was like this funny thing the doctor was saying, oh, be. Be 00:21:51.618 --> 00:21:54.785 careful. You may get one and then I went there it was like poof, you know 00:21:54.818 --> 00:21:59.496 , second time I compared to the first one. I was like, OK, well, if, if 00:21:59.529 --> 00:22:03.986 that happens the same thing, but now it was fine. So it was good, good. OK 00:22:04.019 --> 00:22:07.180 , thank you.