WEBVTT 00:00:31.949 --> 00:00:33.949 So comfortable. All righty, this is Emma Van der 90 with Kylie Cochran and 00:00:36.668 --> 00:00:42.926 Dean Allen on Friday, January 11, 2019. It is 12:46 p.m. and this is for 00:00:42.959 --> 00:00:47.036 the Barrett Oral History Project. So, can you kind of describe, like, your 00:00:47.069 --> 00:00:49.796 personal history with Barrett for me, like, kind of like when you stepped 00:00:49.829 --> 00:00:55.515 on for Barrett, what that has been like? Well, I started Working for 00:00:55.548 --> 00:00:59.936 Barrett in June of 2017. 00:00:59.969 --> 00:01:06.986 So I'm in here a little more than a year and a half um. But my association 00:01:07.019 --> 00:01:15.019 with this operation um goes back quite a ways earlier than that. Actually 00:01:16.448 --> 00:01:22.697 long before Barret was even 00:01:22.730 --> 00:01:29.775 really so um. I, I, um. have been a professor at Cronkite School and that 00:01:29.808 --> 00:01:36.096 was one of the one of the schools that was one of the first. Incorporate 00:01:36.129 --> 00:01:42.507 with the honors program. That was in 1988 and I started at Cronkite three 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:48.355 years later in 1991. So I was one of the Really one of the very first 00:01:48.388 --> 00:01:54.676 people. From the academic side, from the unit side that had an association 00:01:54.709 --> 00:01:58.436 with what was then the honors. 00:01:58.469 --> 00:02:04.055 So that kind of that kind of describes it during the the the preceding. I 00:02:04.088 --> 00:02:11.646 guess that would have been 27 years that I taught at Gronk. I had honors. 00:02:11.679 --> 00:02:14.577 All through that period. 00:02:14.610 --> 00:02:17.626 So like, I guess my biggest question is kind of like what prompted the 00:02:17.659 --> 00:02:22.427 switch, like when, when you became the dean in 2017, like, why didn't you 00:02:22.460 --> 00:02:27.005 stay working at Cronkite? Like why did you choose to become a dean now? Um 00:02:27.038 --> 00:02:35.038 , mainly I was looking for I guess you could say a new challenge. What I 00:02:35.330 --> 00:02:43.330 was doing at Cronkite, I was directing the PhD program. And I launched 00:02:44.389 --> 00:02:52.389 that program in 2011 and I did it, I did it for six years and um We turned 00:02:52.558 --> 00:02:56.797 out some really good scholars over there, some really good doctoral 00:02:56.830 --> 00:03:04.207 students, um, but it, it kind of was a situation where Cronkite is, is not 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:09.217 really a, a, it's more of a professional program. So there were some 00:03:09.250 --> 00:03:17.166 things that that I was kind of looking to move past and so I was uh happy 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:25.199 with the opportunity to to come over here, um. And um 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.906 Just thinking about that, one of the things um that also Kind of inspired 00:03:30.939 --> 00:03:36.646 me to to. I want to change. I'm still actually on the faculty of Cronkite 00:03:36.679 --> 00:03:40.525 and I still teach an honors course. Yeah, you're teaching something about 00:03:40.558 --> 00:03:46.616 fake news or politics or something mass and I had first class last night, 00:03:46.649 --> 00:03:54.335 um. The thing I was also doing, I was, I was kind of in a an odd situation 00:03:54.368 --> 00:03:59.896 where I was teaching PhD classes and recruiting PhD students and going 00:03:59.929 --> 00:04:05.866 through all of them. The mechanics of getting them doctoral degrees 00:04:05.899 --> 00:04:10.666 working with the graduate college while at the same time I still was 00:04:10.699 --> 00:04:17.717 teaching at undergraduate skills courses and I taught a course in Cronkite 00:04:17.750 --> 00:04:21.866 called television news reporting. 00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:27.245 52 straight semesters. I taught that course every semester since I began 00:04:27.278 --> 00:04:35.278 at the Crocket of ASU in 1991, every single semester until the spring of 00:04:35.369 --> 00:04:42.086 2017 when I came over here, the uh that the that spring as I prior coming 00:04:42.119 --> 00:04:48.476 over, that was the last of those reporting classes that I taught and um. 00:04:48.509 --> 00:04:54.616 It was, it was nice to have that, that string, but I was not disappointed 00:04:54.649 --> 00:05:01.459 in that class. It's a long, very long run. You wanted something different. 00:05:02.540 --> 00:05:04.540 No, I see that, um. So, I think you kind of touched on this. So you said 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:12.846 like uh for a dean, you've only been a dean for about a year now, um but 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.567 you said you started working like with Barrett and kind of the program 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.887 like back in '88 you said? 91. 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:26.887 Yeah, that's true, um. If you want, I can go into that a little bit like 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:33.736 um when the honors college first started. So again, it started in 1988 00:05:33.769 --> 00:05:41.769 and um It I I arrived in 1991 in the third year, and um where it was 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:48.645 located on the Tempe campus was right across from the Cronkite School, 00:05:48.678 --> 00:05:55.245 right across from the Ser Hall in a facility called McClintock Hall and 00:05:55.278 --> 00:05:58.075 there was. 00:05:58.108 --> 00:06:02.026 It's, yeah, I don't know, it seemed big at the time, but all the dorms 00:06:02.059 --> 00:06:08.226 were in there and it was like. Kind of a courtyard type area, probably I 00:06:08.259 --> 00:06:13.276 don't know, I think when I first came there might have been 500. Totals 00:06:13.309 --> 00:06:16.866 there something like that 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:23.507 and um again like I said Cronkite, the Cronkite School. Partially because 00:06:23.540 --> 00:06:30.507 of the proximity of it was immediately picked to begin the process of 00:06:30.540 --> 00:06:36.217 starting the honors program. What that what that really entails. 00:06:36.250 --> 00:06:44.250 Um, I Cooperation from the units, cooperation from the deans and the 00:06:44.850 --> 00:06:49.796 directors of the different colleges and schools. Who can in turn 00:06:49.829 --> 00:06:56.586 communicate. Encouragement to their faculty and I think one of the things 00:06:56.619 --> 00:07:03.515 One of the The challenges at first was Doing that because if you're 00:07:03.548 --> 00:07:07.916 familiar with Bear, you know that that that we pretty much exist on our 00:07:07.949 --> 00:07:15.726 good looks. now there's a budget, but um But, but largely my job is to go 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:22.395 around to the colleges downtown and get support from Important people 00:07:22.428 --> 00:07:29.236 faculty to get them to volunteer to help with yeah, I mean, we, we don't 00:07:29.269 --> 00:07:32.286 pay to 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.416 To students, we don't, 00:07:35.449 --> 00:07:40.575 we don't pay faculty to do honor sessions. We don't pay faculty to do 00:07:40.608 --> 00:07:48.416 honors contracts. Um, so all of that is volunteered by Essentially that 00:07:48.449 --> 00:07:55.015 and if you don't If you don't get a buy in on it. A big body. You don't 00:07:55.048 --> 00:08:01.217 have an honors college. This is one of the things I think this facet 00:08:01.250 --> 00:08:03.836 is often overlooked. 00:08:03.869 --> 00:08:09.226 By the bear and monkeys, I think they, they tend to take for granted the 00:08:09.259 --> 00:08:16.145 fact that faculty, deans and directors, staff at the different departments 00:08:16.178 --> 00:08:20.156 and schools and colleges are gonna come rushing. 00:08:20.189 --> 00:08:26.515 To help there, yeah, let me give up 20 hours so I can do an honors. I mean 00:08:26.548 --> 00:08:30.676 , it just doesn't work like that. Anyway, at the beginning there were all 00:08:30.709 --> 00:08:36.996 sorts of problems with that. Um, the dean at the time was Ted Humphries. 00:08:37.029 --> 00:08:43.515 He was the founding dean of Barrett, and I think quickly developed a sense 00:08:43.548 --> 00:08:50.395 that that there was a big need for public relations. It was a big need for. 00:08:50.428 --> 00:08:55.066 Him to get out and glad and all of the different people even down to the 00:08:55.099 --> 00:09:01.557 lowest lecture level or he wasn't gonna have support to do the honors 00:09:01.590 --> 00:09:07.446 college. So over time he got really good at that. There would be We would 00:09:07.479 --> 00:09:14.236 have lunches, receptions, numerous times I saw him at at Stauffer Hall 00:09:14.269 --> 00:09:20.417 just hanging out so people would know him and that was really a crucial 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:25.606 thing and eventually the honors college expanded to all of the other. Yeah 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:30.836 , I mean, they were big, they were big in the humanities, um. And 00:09:30.869 --> 00:09:36.667 eventually got really big in the sciences which attempting humanities are 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:40.145 kind of in the middle of the campus and the sciences that were around 00:09:40.178 --> 00:09:46.797 around university and um. But those were kind of strange times because it 00:09:46.830 --> 00:09:52.157 it at Cronkite and I'm sure the other other units. There was a lot of 00:09:52.190 --> 00:09:57.346 handwringing about whether What what you get out of this. If you're a 00:09:57.379 --> 00:10:03.346 faculty, you volunteer your time, what's the reward and eventually those 00:10:03.379 --> 00:10:07.917 those discussions. Go to the right people and they were able to 00:10:07.950 --> 00:10:12.427 communicate. So how would you answer that? like 00:10:12.460 --> 00:10:16.826 like when people ask you that question of like, what is the importance of 00:10:16.859 --> 00:10:23.116 Barrett 00:10:23.149 --> 00:10:25.287 like how would you answer that question? Well, it's The most promising 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:33.320 students at ASU. The the thing that I, I try to sell here is The chance to 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:40.677 teach inspired students. You're not gonna get that in run of the mill ASU 00:10:40.710 --> 00:10:46.427 student body. And for the most part, faculty respond to that faculty, they 00:10:46.460 --> 00:10:53.167 don't want to. Be in a being in a class that's that's a drag, you know, 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.316 it's a dish rag. I mean they don't want that. You want to go into a class 00:10:57.349 --> 00:11:04.895 it's lively and it's and and and and 00:11:04.928 --> 00:11:09.476 and, yeah, and kids learn in my experience in teaching. Especially 52 00:11:09.509 --> 00:11:14.736 semesters of that TV reporting class, I would say. 00:11:14.769 --> 00:11:19.537 There were 20 people, 20 students in the, I would say maybe 33 out of the 00:11:19.570 --> 00:11:25.755 20 were really into it. So that's, that's the thing you can sell, that's 00:11:25.788 --> 00:11:31.746 what Ted Humphries. Was able to convey a lot and there would be 00:11:31.779 --> 00:11:38.375 demonstrations of work, there would be the equivalent of the um honor 00:11:38.408 --> 00:11:44.375 symposiums that we do. And um another big thing that happened in those 00:11:44.408 --> 00:11:52.408 early days, um, the president of ASU. was a person named Lanie. He was 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.038 very well what that building is named after ASU OK just made that connection 00:12:05.469 --> 00:12:11.255 and interestingly enough, I got to know him briefly. Because, um, starting 00:12:11.288 --> 00:12:15.657 in the late 1990s, I was in the university. I eventually served in the 00:12:15.690 --> 00:12:23.135 university Senate for 15 years and became the president of the downtown. 00:12:23.168 --> 00:12:30.255 But during the first meeting, um, The first meeting I went to and this 00:12:30.288 --> 00:12:37.005 this sort of continues, but they have your name. Your names are on on. 00:12:37.038 --> 00:12:42.606 Tamp cars, big tents, and they were. All it was they were set up in 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:47.525 alphabetical order. That was the way they did it. So I was the first one. 00:12:47.558 --> 00:12:53.917 My name was Edie, and next to me was Gladdy Cool at the very bar. And so I 00:12:53.950 --> 00:12:57.125 occasionally got to talk to him. He didn't come to Harry, but he was, he 00:12:57.158 --> 00:13:02.385 was extremely well respected and I think deserves a lot of credit for 00:13:02.418 --> 00:13:05.755 getting the honors college going. 00:13:05.788 --> 00:13:08.996 Just like with his inspiration and like with connecting with people, yeah 00:13:09.029 --> 00:13:14.996 , yeah, and so I guess I assume you moved down here with Barrett and with 00:13:15.029 --> 00:13:21.326 Cronkite when Cronkite moved from Tempe to to downtown. 00:13:21.359 --> 00:13:27.525 We remained at Tempe at Stauffer Hall until 2008. 00:13:27.558 --> 00:13:30.606 And um 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:36.657 And There were actually it was actually about 2 years of build up to where 00:13:36.690 --> 00:13:42.025 we were still at Staer Hall, but everybody was getting ready to move. And 00:13:42.058 --> 00:13:44.265 um 00:13:44.298 --> 00:13:52.196 at the point where that happened. The relationship with my unit Cronkite 00:13:52.229 --> 00:13:57.875 and what was actually then the Barrett Honors College was in high gear. 00:13:57.908 --> 00:14:02.875 The location of the Barrett Honors College. They had moved it from a 00:14:02.908 --> 00:14:08.446 Clintock Hall just south down. I guess that would be for Mall, whatever 00:14:08.479 --> 00:14:14.086 that mall is that's on to its current location now. They moved it. No, no 00:14:14.119 --> 00:14:22.119 , it was moved to I think it was Hall. It's in the um by the dorms and 00:14:22.158 --> 00:14:24.486 that's by, 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:32.005 by it's in the southwest corner of the camp. And that location was again 00:14:32.038 --> 00:14:38.116 very close to Cronkite. We had a lot of honors students in Cronkite and um. 00:14:38.149 --> 00:14:42.976 And, and that was, that was a really good location. It was really upgrade 00:14:43.009 --> 00:14:48.486 from McClintock. And so that was in 2008, 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:55.407 we moved down here at the same time when Barrett moved from that location 00:14:55.440 --> 00:15:01.755 at best to where it is now southeast corner. And with all that going on, 00:15:01.788 --> 00:15:07.456 there was kind of a drop off and there was not initially a downtown 00:15:07.489 --> 00:15:13.657 Barrett office um. 00:15:13.690 --> 00:15:19.316 I can't really recall where this where there they had a very small office 00:15:19.349 --> 00:15:25.856 where they were they were doing some contact with nursing and um You know 00:15:25.889 --> 00:15:30.635 , it's now the watch college. It was in Cronkite. They were doing that. Um 00:15:30.668 --> 00:15:36.946 , but it was very, it was, it was a pimple to begin with 00:15:36.979 --> 00:15:42.547 and um. And and questions were at Cronkite, we just moved, this was a 00:15:42.580 --> 00:15:47.625 brand new building in 2008 and questions were asked about that, you know, 00:15:47.658 --> 00:15:52.686 what's, what's Barrett, what You know, we had this great relationship at 00:15:52.719 --> 00:15:58.217 Tempe, and now they've scattered to one place, and we've scattered here. 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:03.677 So I think it took a little while to build to build that back up, and I 00:16:03.710 --> 00:16:06.366 think Mark Jacobs. 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:11.635 Deserves tremendous credit for putting the money, the resources together 00:16:11.668 --> 00:16:17.106 and and campaigning to have this downtown. 00:16:17.139 --> 00:16:19.547 When would you say it kind of kicked into high gear, like when you were 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:24.417 like, yes, Downtown parrot is now a strong. 00:16:24.450 --> 00:16:30.167 There is is still feeling here that it's not completely kicked in the high 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:37.846 even, even now, um. I think it is, we have 700 Barrett students downtown, 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:45.879 which is which is not bad. But um, I think probably. 00:16:46.359 --> 00:16:53.086 When this facility opened, when we opened, that was, I think in 2011, and 00:16:53.119 --> 00:16:58.086 we had a home. I think that was kind of the moment that it was, it was 00:16:58.119 --> 00:17:03.106 coming the roots and the growing exactly 00:17:03.139 --> 00:17:07.026 um but I think there's there's, you know, still a lot of challenges 00:17:07.059 --> 00:17:09.085 getting it getting it 00:17:09.118 --> 00:17:15.877 to where it needs to be. Largely what we have the challenge here of having. 00:17:15.910 --> 00:17:21.206 6 very different colleges that um 00:17:21.239 --> 00:17:25.607 As far as honors programs go, they're all different, they all have 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:31.706 different needs. Um, what we've been trying to do is, is, is Address some 00:17:31.739 --> 00:17:39.739 of those some of those differences and spread. Spread our wings further. 00:17:39.910 --> 00:17:43.776 But it's, it's, it's very different. I, I was at a leadership meeting at 00:17:43.809 --> 00:17:49.295 Tempe just today for 2 hours. All we did is sit there and talk about, talk 00:17:49.328 --> 00:17:53.486 about Tempe, building a student success center. Where's the money coming 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.156 from? Temping, 00:17:57.189 --> 00:18:03.387 and it's kind of hard, I think. That can be, which is more of a 00:18:03.420 --> 00:18:10.926 traditional setting with humanity and for them to understand how unique. 00:18:10.959 --> 00:18:15.305 Downtown campuses, yes. 00:18:15.338 --> 00:18:20.676 They do understand that they're Things that things that need to be 00:18:20.709 --> 00:18:23.526 addressed globally. 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.996 That we're doing Yeah 00:18:27.029 --> 00:18:29.575 I guess that kind of bleeds into one of my questions I was going to ask 00:18:29.608 --> 00:18:33.305 like, what do you think is like unique about the downtown campus, like 00:18:33.338 --> 00:18:36.785 having a Barrett campus here that is very different from Tempe, like, this 00:18:36.818 --> 00:18:42.325 can be something good, something that you wish would change. 00:18:42.358 --> 00:18:46.776 The definition downtown campus is unique because it's it's it's the only 00:18:46.809 --> 00:18:54.809 component of ASU so. In the midst of the very center of the big city with 00:18:54.989 --> 00:19:02.989 all the Things that that go on good and bad and um And if you go around 00:19:03.019 --> 00:19:09.406 and talk to the deans of the colleges, they will all to that point that 00:19:09.439 --> 00:19:14.325 it's it's unique because there's there's tall buildings and there's 00:19:14.358 --> 00:19:22.358 restaurants and there's a very different culture right 00:19:24.338 --> 00:19:32.338 all of the The downtown relate to that. Greatly relate to that. And so 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:39.377 what what we've tried to do is Here are programs down here to expose the 00:19:39.410 --> 00:19:47.196 students and nursing and. Public affairs, criminology, all, all of the all 00:19:47.229 --> 00:19:55.229 of the units we serve. To love the downtown area, to get out. Experiences 00:19:56.769 --> 00:20:04.769 that um That we're not second class MP that we have. You may not have a 00:20:04.818 --> 00:20:10.686 Vista del Soul here, but we have um other things that make it. Make it 00:20:10.719 --> 00:20:18.719 better. So we extensively work on that to bring awareness to the, 00:20:19.318 --> 00:20:25.176 um, you know, I'm sure you've seen our facility at Taylor Place and so we 00:20:25.209 --> 00:20:31.347 we try to sell a view of the downtown area from that that those windows on 00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:39.380 the south, um, and, and build that up as a, as a, as a big thing. You 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:47.559 don't need to be. Mhm and that's that's a big part of what. 00:20:48.088 --> 00:20:51.706 Yeah, I, I completely agree with that. I know for me the like cultural 00:20:51.739 --> 00:20:55.137 awareness of being in a city was a huge part of why I chose to be downtown 00:20:55.170 --> 00:21:00.766 and inside of Bart too, um. I think you kind of touched on this a little 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:06.305 bit, saying like that you came to um Like being a part of the move from 00:21:06.338 --> 00:21:10.176 Tempe to downtown, but did you create or were you part of any like special 00:21:10.209 --> 00:21:16.906 Barrett programs or initiatives that we should know of? Well, As a family 00:21:16.939 --> 00:21:24.897 person, all you really do is Share on our species. Do honors sections or 00:21:24.930 --> 00:21:32.176 honors courses and do honors contracts. Those are about the only things as 00:21:32.209 --> 00:21:40.209 a faculty person. Um, the, the one part of that was, um, Haven't done a 00:21:40.769 --> 00:21:46.347 lot of, quite a few of those. I was. Invited to a lot of the Barrett thank 00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:53.236 you lunches that we have, um. I can remember the symposium that Barrett 00:21:53.269 --> 00:21:59.357 did at the post office before they remodeled it and um. And so I was 00:21:59.390 --> 00:22:04.085 involved in that initiative. Um, but I, I really didn't get into be 00:22:04.118 --> 00:22:08.795 initiatives until I actually got. Gotcha. 00:22:08.828 --> 00:22:12.075 Can you tell us about your favorite honors thesis project that you worked 00:22:12.108 --> 00:22:19.847 on as a chair? Oh wow, there were, there were so many, um. 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:26.285 One of the ones, one of the things that we, we have tried to do downtown 00:22:26.318 --> 00:22:32.075 as well is, is get away from the mall of The traditional Shakespeare 00:22:32.108 --> 00:22:38.676 Beowulf honors thesis and let people be more creative in what they're 00:22:38.709 --> 00:22:45.766 doing. So that Naturally lend itself to Cronkite and um so I, I supervised 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.976 a few documentaries and um. 00:22:50.009 --> 00:22:56.026 One of the ones that I remembered it was, it was um 00:22:56.059 --> 00:23:02.467 What it was about, it was a documentary look at food deserts in downtown, 00:23:02.500 --> 00:23:09.597 and there were not the the the idea was is that um Downtown there's no 00:23:09.630 --> 00:23:15.045 grocery stores around here and people are really suffering and um you know 00:23:15.078 --> 00:23:19.325 so this student really brought that home and I, I reacted to that, not 00:23:19.358 --> 00:23:26.246 because the the topic was It was sensational. It was great, but it was 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:31.276 done with high production values. They took time to do it. It could have 00:23:31.309 --> 00:23:36.516 been on PBS and so I, I remembered that. I mean there's another one a 00:23:36.549 --> 00:23:44.476 documentary, I remember where the student did. A tour of pollution at For 00:23:44.509 --> 00:23:49.956 a study documentary on pollution at the national parks and so part of it 00:23:49.989 --> 00:23:54.956 was at the Grand Canyon, another part of it, I think they went to Zion. It 00:23:54.989 --> 00:23:58.996 was really. Really 00:23:59.029 --> 00:24:04.075 I it must be really cool to like still oversee other species, but also 00:24:04.108 --> 00:24:07.946 like get your love of like Cronkite and like overseeing that like through 00:24:07.979 --> 00:24:14.476 ert too. Yeah, yeah, that's that's definitely true and we encourage that. 00:24:14.509 --> 00:24:20.127 One of the things we actually did. Last year when I start, we were able 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:26.916 to get a Poster board thing. Installed at Cronkite. If you're ever over 00:24:26.949 --> 00:24:33.206 there on the 2nd floor, yeah, over by the PR lab, is that true? 00:24:33.239 --> 00:24:37.075 Yeah, I seen it worked we worked hard on that. In fact, here's part of it 00:24:37.108 --> 00:24:41.956 I was. Talking about how like what Barrett is like with Cronkite and like 00:24:41.989 --> 00:24:44.426 showing some of the different projects. I've I've taken a look. The 00:24:44.459 --> 00:24:50.026 purpose of that was to show the Cronkite students um that they don't have 00:24:50.059 --> 00:24:54.496 to do traditional research 00:24:54.529 --> 00:24:59.637 on and and we tried to illustrate that with pictures of the students and 00:24:59.670 --> 00:25:04.795 and another thing, how they can use their honors experience to get jobs. 00:25:04.828 --> 00:25:10.496 One of the panels. showed about 6 fair graduates that had gone on and 00:25:10.529 --> 00:25:12.506 gotten. 00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:16.647 Yeah, no, I, I've looked at that. I think it's like super cool. Like I 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.607 remember like saying like, oh, this person did this one project and now 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.016 they're working in like LA and that's so incredible. You wouldn't believe 00:25:23.049 --> 00:25:30.377 that. 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:34.805 Yeah, gosh, but no, I, I think that's really cool because like 1 in 4 kids 00:25:34.838 --> 00:25:39.055 in Cronkite are Barrett, right? It's something like that. Yeah. I remember 00:25:39.088 --> 00:25:42.555 reading that and I was like, that's insane like to just be a part of a 00:25:42.588 --> 00:25:47.085 school that It is so enriched already with honors kids and like that 00:25:47.118 --> 00:25:50.335 energy is just infectious, like being around other honors kids who want to 00:25:50.368 --> 00:25:53.256 try really hard that it just bleeds into other kids, whether they're an 00:25:53.289 --> 00:25:57.016 honor student or not, um, especially for something as necessary as 00:25:57.049 --> 00:26:02.535 journalism today is a great place to have honor students, um. Yeah, so now 00:26:02.568 --> 00:26:07.217 I'm kind of more moving into questions that are more focused in on your 00:26:07.250 --> 00:26:13.706 job necessarily than like history. Um, so, like, I guess maybe the like 00:26:13.739 --> 00:26:16.387 moving down could be the answer to this, but could you describe like a 00:26:16.420 --> 00:26:19.906 monumental memory or achievement that you've witnessed so far that you're 00:26:19.939 --> 00:26:24.147 like really proud of in terms of downtown. 00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:27.446 I would have to say. 00:26:27.479 --> 00:26:35.426 The thing that I Thus far have been most Pleased about It was last year at 00:26:35.459 --> 00:26:43.459 our awards, our spring awards, the Dean's scholar. And I didn't pick up. 00:26:45.209 --> 00:26:51.795 It's just named the Dean scholar for downtown was a Older student who is 00:26:51.828 --> 00:26:58.686 actually I think probably the oldest of all Barrett students from um the 00:26:58.719 --> 00:27:04.467 School of Public Affairs up in the Watts College, um. This was a big, a 00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:10.226 big thing for us because what, what, what one of the main things we need 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:17.266 to do downtown is to tap into the non-traditional students that um are not 00:27:17.299 --> 00:27:23.647 the 18 to 22 year old students. The, the College of Public Service, the 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:30.075 Watts College has 7000 students and about. From what I've been told, 40% 00:27:30.108 --> 00:27:33.916 of them are non-traditional students, either older students who have come 00:27:33.949 --> 00:27:38.805 back to college or transfer students and started the community colleges 00:27:38.838 --> 00:27:46.137 and they're here. Anyway, this guy, John Field. Um, I got to know him. I 00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:51.416 sort of reached out to him because We needed to do something to get into 00:27:51.449 --> 00:27:57.016 the non-traditional students. It was all 18 to 22 year olds, so he gave me 00:27:57.049 --> 00:28:03.936 some ideas we had. Then it turns out he he was a super student and lo and 00:28:03.969 --> 00:28:11.357 behold the end of the year, he gets this. Dean's award and um. The people 00:28:11.390 --> 00:28:16.436 at public service were really happy to see that the dean. The Dean of the 00:28:16.469 --> 00:28:21.996 College of Public Service congratulated him. It was in their social media 00:28:22.029 --> 00:28:27.676 . I think they did a video on him, um, and, and it was obvious that, you 00:28:27.709 --> 00:28:31.075 know, it's no offense to you guys if, if you are in the traditional 00:28:31.108 --> 00:28:35.956 category, but you know, every one of those awards has gone to a 00:28:35.989 --> 00:28:42.166 traditional studio and this was like a first and um. It it was sort of a 00:28:42.199 --> 00:28:48.325 small thing. It was just one award, but it's, it's stands out. It shows 00:28:48.358 --> 00:28:52.847 that if we communicate, we 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:59.575 communicate downtown that we're not that we're open that we're on the bus. 00:28:59.608 --> 00:29:06.035 Um, and we want non-traditional, we want the single, single parent, um, 00:29:06.068 --> 00:29:14.068 people who are struggling through. Through Programs downtown, um. You know 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:20.226 The person that came from a community college is up from the bootstraps. 00:29:20.259 --> 00:29:24.835 Usually they will come. Downtown they're usually in the College of Public 00:29:24.868 --> 00:29:32.805 , the military, I mean we have a huge. A huge military. 00:29:32.838 --> 00:29:40.838 Enrollment in some of the the units upstairs in in public service, um, so 00:29:40.939 --> 00:29:47.717 we are happy to be able to signal that we're open for business. 00:29:47.750 --> 00:29:53.996 That the things they're doing can be honorable honorable as anything. 00:29:54.029 --> 00:29:57.717 Do you know how many current non-traditional students are in the Barrett 00:29:57.750 --> 00:30:00.766 program? 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:07.706 Uh, it's hard to count. Tempe actually has. A person involved in that that 00:30:07.739 --> 00:30:15.666 that can give you that information, I think. We have in the in in the 00:30:15.699 --> 00:30:19.085 watch probably. 00:30:19.118 --> 00:30:26.756 30 to 40 non-traditional students, which is naturally not bad. That's a 00:30:26.789 --> 00:30:32.526 compared to their total 7000 student enrollment, but um. But at least 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.496 we're trying to get and and. And 00:30:37.529 --> 00:30:40.736 And as a result of that student winning that award and getting the 00:30:40.769 --> 00:30:44.887 publicity, I think it's it's helped. 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.516 Yeah, no, I, I think that's a really cool um story to share. I'm gonna 00:30:49.549 --> 00:30:52.877 switch gears a little bit. Maybe you don't oversee this as much as I may 00:30:52.910 --> 00:30:56.565 have thought, but um, I know something unique to the downtown campus, at 00:30:56.598 --> 00:31:01.206 least I believe, is Camp B town, um, that we do in the summer. Like, do 00:31:01.239 --> 00:31:07.085 you oversee that or is that more? I don't, 00:31:07.118 --> 00:31:10.647 but I know you've attended. 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.526 So what, what like, what have you enjoyed, like what do you like seeing 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:18.016 there? Like why do you think like it's important that we keep doing it? 00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:23.686 Well, I mean, it's it's. The most unusual thing to start off the school 00:31:23.719 --> 00:31:30.097 year. By getting on a bus and going out to some just a location with all 00:31:30.130 --> 00:31:38.130 of the fellow. There and um I don't know if you if you've been to Been to 00:31:38.739 --> 00:31:42.387 these, but um. 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:49.446 It's kind of amazing to me how much cohesiveness is developed. Um, if, if 00:31:49.479 --> 00:31:54.387 I was an incoming Barrett student getting on a bus, going to a retreat 00:31:54.420 --> 00:32:00.726 location and then being asked to do skits and dances and things, I would 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:06.406 be very self-conscious of that. I would be, I, I probably would push back 00:32:06.439 --> 00:32:11.377 on that a little. But if you've been to these, you know that the students 00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:15.795 all come together. I mean, nobody's sitting off at the side by themselves 00:32:15.828 --> 00:32:22.276 at all. They're all doing group stuff, um. And um I think the credit to 00:32:22.309 --> 00:32:25.795 Kira and Kelsey Dean, 00:32:25.828 --> 00:32:29.035 her assistant getting that together and coming up with events and games 00:32:29.068 --> 00:32:34.717 and different things that brings all the people, all the people together. 00:32:34.750 --> 00:32:38.147 I know, I, I think back to that in August and then I found out that you 00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:41.506 were watching all of our like lip sync battles and I was like, oh gosh, 00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:49.539 like this is embarrassing. 00:32:50.068 --> 00:32:50.746 Were you the one? Yeah, yeah, I took videos. That's good to know. I posted 00:32:50.779 --> 00:32:55.117 them on Facebook. 00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:59.647 Oh gosh I thought that most of those lip syncs were very well. There was 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.825 one that I thought was kind of sad, but the other, all the other ones were 00:33:04.858 --> 00:33:09.117 very entertaining. I mean they were excellent. Well, that's good to hear. 00:33:09.150 --> 00:33:12.166 I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I know we both enjoyed. I rolled they did 00:33:12.199 --> 00:33:20.199 it to the music of Jingle Bell and, 00:33:20.828 --> 00:33:26.117 and at the end, one of the students the splits and she fell backwards and 00:33:26.150 --> 00:33:27.467 I got it perfectly on video because I was right there, right there at the 00:33:27.500 --> 00:33:32.887 front table, 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.766 and I put that on social media. They censored out the music because there 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.926 was a copyright thing, but the rest of it was on there. I got a lot of 00:33:41.959 --> 00:33:47.186 comments saying that. Guess I will need to be looking at some social media 00:33:47.219 --> 00:33:52.467 soon in the near future. Um, OK, so now moving back to a couple, um, other 00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:57.285 like serious questions, um. Oh, there's one question that I did want to 00:33:57.318 --> 00:34:01.967 ask before some other questions. Uh, I heard that Barrett is getting a new 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.406 location downtown, that the Barrett suite is moving. Do you mind 00:34:05.439 --> 00:34:13.256 elaborating on that? I mean, it's For historical interview, this is like 00:34:13.289 --> 00:34:17.175 futuristic. I don't know how this is gonna be looked back upon. Well, it's 00:34:17.208 --> 00:34:21.126 still interesting. It's showing how Barrett is evolving and changing. Well 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:29.159 , sure, I mean immersed in and um. So, as you may know, this, this, this 00:34:29.769 --> 00:34:36.925 suite is not big enough for our total operation, and we suffer, I think, 00:34:36.958 --> 00:34:43.217 from Not the most beautiful location. We're happy to be here. I actually 00:34:43.250 --> 00:34:47.256 really like it here. I have a Cronkite. I have my office at Cronkite. It's 00:34:47.289 --> 00:34:52.316 , it overlooks Taylor Place. It's the most beautiful thing. I have windows 00:34:52.349 --> 00:34:58.195 and I can open the door and then the whole pan around. And uh here I don't 00:34:58.228 --> 00:35:02.575 , I don't have anything like that, and yet I find it more comfortable here 00:35:02.608 --> 00:35:08.226 in the. I don't know what what it is, but nevertheless, it's not big 00:35:08.259 --> 00:35:16.259 enough and um so last year and After I started um. 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:20.646 It seemed to me that we needed to have a discussion on how we were gonna 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:26.135 expand. So all of the staff and faculty here took part in meetings in 00:35:26.168 --> 00:35:32.736 which we talked about what we would need. To make this a really Good place 00:35:32.769 --> 00:35:39.195 with complete facilities and and I got a a floor plan. And we worked the 00:35:39.228 --> 00:35:44.236 floor. It was a floor plan of the suite, and you could see how much square 00:35:44.269 --> 00:35:49.977 footage was there for each one. They said, Well, if the current lunchroom 00:35:50.010 --> 00:35:55.477 or break room has 100 square feet, it doesn't even have that, but we 00:35:55.510 --> 00:35:58.916 really need one that's 200 square feet. So they were coming up with 00:35:58.949 --> 00:36:06.865 figures we compiled all that. And the idea was we had heard reports that 00:36:06.898 --> 00:36:10.046 congressman 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:15.327 Ruben Gallego, yeah, he was gonna move. To a different office was gonna 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:23.360 vacate that. Office and we had our report in there to claim it. Um Because 00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:29.945 we had the floor plan of his office too and we we work anyway, um, that 00:36:29.978 --> 00:36:33.916 never happened. We were waiting and waiting and so we went into last 00:36:33.949 --> 00:36:38.695 summer with no 00:36:38.728 --> 00:36:44.006 changes, yeah. OK, then during the summer, um. As it ended actually, there 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:49.526 was, we've had problems finding classrooms here. There's huge space 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:54.405 shortage, so a couple of our classes didn't have classrooms, so we went to 00:36:54.438 --> 00:37:01.195 the space coordinators at Tempe. To again explain this to them and get us 00:37:01.228 --> 00:37:05.537 some classrooms and then in the process of that we communicated that we 00:37:05.570 --> 00:37:12.327 needed office space to To make a long story short, the the head space 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:20.126 person at Tempe, um, floated the idea that we might be able to take over 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:28.159 an area on the 3rd floor of the Arizona on the uh North end of the Arizona 00:37:28.610 --> 00:37:33.307 and so um our business manager Eric Later I don't know if you know her, 00:37:33.340 --> 00:37:40.106 but so she and I sort of teamed up. She, she being at Tempe had access to 00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:48.139 the space and so finally I got the floor plan and this is the, I mean this. 00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:51.300 And um so we started to talk and um Then, and then it was going back. No, 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.365 you can't. Yes, you might. Yeah, we'll think about it. I mean, it was 00:38:01.398 --> 00:38:07.436 going back and forth all fall about this Arizon. Then right as the 00:38:07.469 --> 00:38:13.396 semester ended, he made a tentative commitment to allowing us to have 00:38:13.429 --> 00:38:20.356 basically it's what we're getting our office there's offices up here. 00:38:20.389 --> 00:38:24.885 There's a kitchen over here with and um 00:38:24.918 --> 00:38:31.396 some bigger yeah event type spaces and then there's a big area here on the 00:38:31.429 --> 00:38:36.557 south that fronts windows. So the first time we will have windows we'll 00:38:36.590 --> 00:38:41.066 actually have light coming in here and so we're, we're getting that. We 00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:44.037 tried to get these classrooms, but they wouldn't give them to us, but 00:38:44.070 --> 00:38:47.336 we're getting. 00:38:47.369 --> 00:38:52.986 So you'll have everything but those two classrooms. At first we were not, 00:38:53.019 --> 00:38:57.845 that's all we were going to get the classroom and the adjoining space 00:38:57.878 --> 00:39:04.066 because they wanted to resolve this issue of us constantly. 00:39:04.099 --> 00:39:09.586 Needing classroom space. They basically the whole impetus for this was 00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:12.695 don't darken our door. We don't want to talk about this anymore. We have 00:39:12.728 --> 00:39:19.236 this classroom. And we won't worry about it anymore. But then, um, in a 00:39:19.269 --> 00:39:24.595 discussion last week, this actually kind of broke last week when Erica and 00:39:24.628 --> 00:39:30.155 I met with the architect. It was actually last Friday, and then there was 00:39:30.188 --> 00:39:34.115 some switching around and the idea was we would not get these classrooms, 00:39:34.148 --> 00:39:39.997 we would get. The area around the classrooms and we would still try to 00:39:40.030 --> 00:39:45.836 teach our classes in various rooms in Houston, um, but as a result of that 00:39:45.869 --> 00:39:52.425 , we got all of this other space. It's about This suite is about 2700 00:39:52.458 --> 00:39:58.006 square feet. This space here, which we can't 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.526 We're not going to be able to get all of it permanently. It's about 4000 00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.405 square feet and 00:40:04.438 --> 00:40:12.438 The the issue right now is, um, who's gonna go down there. And I think um 00:40:12.869 --> 00:40:17.436 All, all of the staff here wants to move down there and I'm, I'm not sure 00:40:17.469 --> 00:40:22.316 that's gonna work because we still need to have this location here. I'm 00:40:22.349 --> 00:40:26.517 going to remain here. Our 4 faculty are going to remain here. How we're 00:40:26.550 --> 00:40:30.916 going to divide, I don't know. This is sort of a sticky issue. I was just 00:40:30.949 --> 00:40:35.916 curious about, yeah, yeah, but we're, it looks obvious that it's it's 00:40:35.949 --> 00:40:41.626 gonna have at least some of our people will move down there, students. 00:40:41.659 --> 00:40:47.385 We'll come in, um, into this area. This is actually an open area for all 00:40:47.418 --> 00:40:52.307 students, but we will have our people. That's where they will go for 00:40:52.340 --> 00:40:59.095 advising. Um, here is gonna move there and do students nervous stuff out 00:40:59.128 --> 00:41:04.267 of there and um. What 00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:08.307 At first I wasn't sure if people really wanted to do this. There was a 00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:12.925 chance we could have bail, but we had a meeting, another meeting last week. 00:41:12.958 --> 00:41:18.706 Here a really sway. The people who want to do this, she's really pumped 00:41:18.739 --> 00:41:25.546 about this and she sees this as our chance to have something really nice 00:41:25.579 --> 00:41:31.186 downtown that Barrett right now doesn't really have. And um well, no, 00:41:31.219 --> 00:41:35.256 that's like great news. Yeah, yeah, having a bigger space is just gonna 00:41:35.289 --> 00:41:39.106 encourage more people to come and visit the suite. Yeah, yeah, but right 00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:43.546 now the thing is we don't, she, we don't have a thing here that we can 00:41:43.579 --> 00:41:49.997 show off very well. I mean, we remodel our entryway out there. The year 00:41:50.030 --> 00:41:55.626 before last, and it looks nice, but we don't have a Vistavi type thing 00:41:55.659 --> 00:42:03.659 that That says this is really cool. That's that's what we're hoping this 00:42:03.769 --> 00:42:09.706 could evolve into. What time frames? I think we're gonna be in there. 00:42:09.739 --> 00:42:14.467 That some of our people may be moving over there before that, but. We'll 00:42:14.500 --> 00:42:17.916 probably do the launch. 00:42:17.949 --> 00:42:23.115 What, what side is it on the Arizona I don't know if you're, it's like you 00:42:23.148 --> 00:42:27.936 walk in and then it's like the one with the elevator that you walk in it's 00:42:27.969 --> 00:42:31.695 on that side, 00:42:31.728 --> 00:42:37.376 you know where the resilience, 00:42:37.409 --> 00:42:42.727 that's that's we're right I think I had a class in here yeah, yeah. 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.365 So now, sorry, that's a little bit of a tangent. I was just curious about 00:42:46.398 --> 00:42:49.727 it. Um, so now I'm just going to move into some like opinion kind of 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:55.006 reflection based questions. So um this is very vague, but more like why is 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.905 Barrett important to you? Like what do you enjoy about this job? Like why 00:42:57.938 --> 00:43:01.885 , like, are you excited to work for Barrett on a day to day basis? I think 00:43:01.918 --> 00:43:07.577 the thing that That really makes this rewarding is the people are very 00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:15.077 close, meaning The managers and administrators. I think the staff here. It 00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:21.986 is closed. I don't have a total hands-on grip of all the activities that 00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:30.019 go on here among the staff, but when I go to Tempe for an event. Um, A a 00:43:30.458 --> 00:43:33.276 lecture. 00:43:33.309 --> 00:43:38.276 All those kind of things for the commencement, it's really a family sort 00:43:38.309 --> 00:43:45.106 of thing. It's, it's very, very cohesive and um and you feel good about 00:43:45.139 --> 00:43:51.316 that. I think, um, throughout ASU there's a a feeling confident feeling 00:43:51.349 --> 00:43:58.506 that you're kind of on your own. Um, I know a Cronkite. They've never had. 00:43:58.539 --> 00:44:03.827 Close fact. They've never had a camaraderie. Um, I can't during all the 00:44:03.860 --> 00:44:10.385 time I went, I was at Cronkite 27 years. I think I went to 3 parties, 4 00:44:10.418 --> 00:44:14.345 parties in the whole time. People just went their separate ways, and I 00:44:14.378 --> 00:44:21.026 think that's what is typical ASU in a lot of ways that there may be the 00:44:21.059 --> 00:44:27.026 only place that's not like that, um. counting the events, I mean, I 00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:33.517 probably went to 20 different party type social things last year alone. 00:44:33.550 --> 00:44:40.885 And so that's really a motivating, motivating thing. Um, and then I think 00:44:40.918 --> 00:44:47.135 working with the students. It it's still a big thrill. Um, I had my first 00:44:47.168 --> 00:44:53.997 class, my first honors class last night. And um It's in politics and media. 00:44:54.030 --> 00:44:55.997 You never know what's gonna happen on the first night of class, and they 00:44:56.030 --> 00:44:58.168 were getting into the shut down they were getting into the subject matter , whereas in teaching 00:45:05.349 --> 00:45:10.336 skills course over there, it's like you could be 6 weeks into it to pick 00:45:10.369 --> 00:45:14.135 up right. 00:45:14.168 --> 00:45:19.566 So those social part of it, the students, and I really like the people too 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:25.436 , the the staff and the fact they're. Doing their own thing in a lot of 00:45:25.469 --> 00:45:30.686 ways, but I think there's a lot of respect among each other. 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.026 One of the things that happened last. 00:45:34.059 --> 00:45:39.327 At the end of last year during the Barrett, um, faculty staff awards, 00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:45.967 Kierra got the Employee of the Year, big, huge, big, huge thing, and this 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:52.186 was at an event over at Tempe and um. The lakes area, I don't know if you 00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:58.456 know where that is. There's a it's kind of the south of campus, um. And so 00:45:58.489 --> 00:46:02.256 we're out there, there's like it's like a boat, they're giving boat rides 00:46:02.289 --> 00:46:08.135 and things, and then there was like a deck on top of the dock. After Marc 00:46:08.168 --> 00:46:13.796 Jacobs announced that Kira had got the award, everybody from downtown went 00:46:13.829 --> 00:46:19.345 over to this deck and took pictures with her. You never see that, yeah, I 00:46:19.378 --> 00:46:22.586 mean you never see. 00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:27.066 And do you think it's even like a closer knit at downtown specifically 00:46:27.099 --> 00:46:32.796 just because downtown is smaller than Tempe? I think it is. I I really 00:46:32.829 --> 00:46:40.077 can't judge, but I, I would guess that it is. Because we have um all 00:46:40.110 --> 00:46:46.526 together, all together we have 6 staff and 4 faculty, so there's only 10 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.316 people together. 00:46:49.349 --> 00:46:52.376 Yeah, I think, I think the downtown campus for Barrett is very special. Um 00:46:52.409 --> 00:46:57.885 , other questions I have, uh, what in your mind makes Barrett different 00:46:57.918 --> 00:47:01.276 than any other honors colleges? I know there are lots of honors colleges 00:47:01.309 --> 00:47:05.456 at different places around um the nation, and I know lots of honors 00:47:05.489 --> 00:47:08.615 colleges around the nation look to Barrett to model theirs. So what do you 00:47:08.648 --> 00:47:14.686 have to say about that? Kind of hard. I went to, I represented Barrett at 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:22.719 the Arizona Honors Council last fall at a meeting at NAU and NAU had just 00:47:22.909 --> 00:47:28.517 put up their honors. They had just had, we had the meeting there. I got to 00:47:28.550 --> 00:47:33.526 know. The honors people from the other universities as well as the 00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:40.566 community colleges. Just Relating to that. It, it, it just seems like bear 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:48.307 has a stronger Leadership force, it has, you know, Better numbers, really 00:47:48.340 --> 00:47:56.340 good, good enrollment numbers, but um. It just seemed to me that The 00:47:56.449 --> 00:48:00.376 problems they were talking about these other people were talking about 00:48:00.409 --> 00:48:05.217 just seemed irrelevant to me. I mean, we, one of the issues that the UFA 00:48:05.250 --> 00:48:10.026 person kept talking about was trying to get faculty to volunteer to do 00:48:10.059 --> 00:48:17.365 honors what we were talking about before and um just. Huge exchange of 00:48:17.398 --> 00:48:24.336 ideas of how you could do that problems and all that, um, I don't think 00:48:24.369 --> 00:48:28.296 Barry really has that problem and we, we need to keep at it in court 00:48:28.329 --> 00:48:30.436 faculty, but 00:48:30.469 --> 00:48:33.517 I mean it was like they were from a different planet. They're talking 00:48:33.550 --> 00:48:39.876 about things that that really don't concern me and various people, and I 00:48:39.909 --> 00:48:45.686 think that owes a lot to Marc Jacobs. He's an excellent, excellent. 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:52.256 Excellent team. I mean, it is so different working for him compared to 00:48:52.289 --> 00:48:55.845 working for Chris Calley. It is like 00:48:55.878 --> 00:49:00.296 two completely different people. They're both good, but Mark has more of a 00:49:00.329 --> 00:49:08.329 funny way of. Humor, humor, humorous way and also the um The past Vicete 00:49:09.579 --> 00:49:16.905 Peggy Nelson, who retired. Last Mark and Peggy were freaking frack. I mean 00:49:16.938 --> 00:49:21.497 , they were, they, you never saw one without the other. They, you know, I 00:49:21.530 --> 00:49:27.327 saw some great arguments between my husband and wife in a way, but But it 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:33.945 was always productive. I mean they They were both both sharp and uh. She 00:49:33.978 --> 00:49:39.307 was excellent. She, she is almost as much as Mark became the symbol of 00:49:39.340 --> 00:49:46.986 there and together. They brought us up above all these problems. 00:49:47.019 --> 00:49:53.227 NU was talking about you was talking about. Um, and as for other honors 00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:57.026 colleges in other parts of the country, I don't vaguely know, but I think 00:49:57.059 --> 00:50:02.646 it would probably be the same thing just. So we're just kind of above. 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.477 Some of the problems. Come into play 00:50:07.510 --> 00:50:12.006 you're doing. Yeah, I would completely agree. Like, I, I look at 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.526 definitely like hearing about my friends across the nation attending their 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.885 honors colleges, and at least the way I look at Barrett is seeing it as 00:50:18.918 --> 00:50:23.747 like um This one where like leadership is already in place that like even 00:50:23.780 --> 00:50:28.546 on different campuses like it's stood tall. Yeah um 00:50:28.579 --> 00:50:31.986 yeah, and so I guess now my last questions would kind of be anchored 00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:35.945 towards more how you see the future of Barrett, um, maybe more 00:50:35.978 --> 00:50:39.227 specifically for downtown, like what do you think, where do you think 00:50:39.260 --> 00:50:42.106 Barrett Downtown is going? Like, do you think it's going to get bigger? 00:50:42.139 --> 00:50:45.506 Like, are there any new programs that you think will be put in place 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:52.586 besides obviously the new Well, yeah, we. I think there's gonna be a a a 00:50:52.619 --> 00:51:00.619 lot of new things on the horizon, um. With regard to our office. I, I 00:51:01.449 --> 00:51:09.449 really see this as a temporary thing. What's On my mind, if not radar, is 00:51:11.449 --> 00:51:15.626 The certainty that they're gonna have to build another building downtown, 00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:20.517 the residential type building, um, 00:51:20.550 --> 00:51:26.037 Because largely because of the Thunderbird and I'm hoping that we move 00:51:26.070 --> 00:51:32.066 into a unified office space in that location. This is gonna be hell having 00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:37.396 half of us here and half of us at the Arizona. So what we need is one 00:51:37.429 --> 00:51:45.429 unified. All under one roof office that at some point is certain to happen 00:51:46.050 --> 00:51:51.977 it can't. If they do build another building, are 00:51:52.010 --> 00:51:58.307 Reasoning for being in it can't be denied. Everybody else, 00:51:58.340 --> 00:52:03.146 all the other colleges have their own buildings. We have, I think, been 00:52:03.179 --> 00:52:07.675 short shifted. That's one of the reasons why the people are helping us 00:52:07.708 --> 00:52:12.066 because they have their own facility and we don't, now the time has come 00:52:12.099 --> 00:52:19.327 for them to give us. Total priority on a 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:26.146 West and Polly have their their own separate building? Not really, but. 00:52:26.179 --> 00:52:34.179 But um The West air office is the Taj Mahal. The day of God. So much in 00:52:36.010 --> 00:52:40.767 there that it's, it's because West is a much older campus. It used to be 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:45.267 independent, but um. 00:52:45.300 --> 00:52:51.195 West isn't gonna need, they're not that big. And Pauly 00:52:51.228 --> 00:52:57.077 They're also not that. Um, But we 00:52:57.110 --> 00:53:03.135 We need our own unified office. OK, so that, that is something that I, I'm 00:53:03.168 --> 00:53:09.876 certain will unfold at some point. OK. Meanwhile, another big change is 00:53:09.909 --> 00:53:16.756 gonna be the move of Thunderbird, the building or the, the building of the 00:53:16.789 --> 00:53:23.557 Thunderbird, the move of Thunderbird Global Management College from the 00:53:23.590 --> 00:53:31.590 West Valley. To here downtown and um They do not have undergraduate 00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:38.736 students, but they have extensive cooperative programs with Undergraduate 00:53:38.769 --> 00:53:45.666 students that can help them and um So we are gonna have an alliance with 00:53:45.699 --> 00:53:53.445 them to the, yeah, yeah. I've gone to their place and um where they're 00:53:53.478 --> 00:54:00.276 based at right now is at that tall building in the Arizona Center. Um, But 00:54:00.309 --> 00:54:05.267 um. I think in the fall they're gonna break ground on the new Thunderbird 00:54:05.300 --> 00:54:10.227 building which is gonna be next to the law school. That's gonna completely 00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:15.307 change the dynamic of that that part of the downtown campus because you're 00:54:15.340 --> 00:54:20.626 gonna get extension to sort of towards the south. So we're gonna, we're 00:54:20.659 --> 00:54:25.236 gonna be aligning with them and doing. 00:54:25.269 --> 00:54:33.269 Doing stuff, doing stuff. Um, And then Another thing that That I think is 00:54:35.329 --> 00:54:39.956 gonna expand in large is our relationship with the College of Health 00:54:39.989 --> 00:54:44.385 Solutions, um. 00:54:44.418 --> 00:54:49.727 They have a lot of interest in Barrett downtown. They, they have a dean 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.787 there that started about the same time I started here, and it turned out I 00:54:54.820 --> 00:55:01.845 , I know her father her late father, he was one of my teachers. And um so 00:55:01.878 --> 00:55:06.736 this Dean at Health Solutions is kind of feisty, but I've, I've gotten 00:55:06.769 --> 00:55:10.916 along, you know, we've got, obviously we have a connection and so we've 00:55:10.949 --> 00:55:18.736 talked and she has some really great ideas of how we can Get into her 00:55:18.769 --> 00:55:25.845 program and help her help her. Helper program and that is, as you know, a 00:55:25.878 --> 00:55:33.155 growing area, the health. Area downtown that's, that's a big hitter. So 00:55:33.188 --> 00:55:37.296 I'm actually gonna be meeting with, I think their assistant next week and 00:55:37.329 --> 00:55:41.816 we're gonna start plowing through some ideas on how we can offer honors 00:55:41.849 --> 00:55:46.126 courses over there, how we can build up. Our enrollment of Barrett 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:52.796 students there. One of the things about health solutions. That um it's one 00:55:52.829 --> 00:55:57.396 of the things you you learn as you as you work in this job a little bit, 00:55:57.429 --> 00:56:04.046 but Um, Health solutions used to be part of nursing. It broke away a 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:11.925 couple of years ago with the idea it would be pre-med school for ASU. What 00:56:11.958 --> 00:56:19.958 has happened instead is they have kept pre-med programs at temping. And 00:56:20.208 --> 00:56:26.577 We downtown we're competing with those tempe pre-med students. So College 00:56:26.610 --> 00:56:31.557 of Health Solutions and Behr, we have a common interest in Wanting to 00:56:31.590 --> 00:56:37.115 build up our dealings with the health solutions. So they will come 00:56:37.148 --> 00:56:45.148 downtown and not go. Not go to camping. So that's gonna be. An important 00:56:46.148 --> 00:56:53.845 thing are bolstering relations with. With health solutions we have total 00:56:53.878 --> 00:56:54.916 Grace with very close and then obviously you work for journalism, so yeah 00:56:54.949 --> 00:57:02.949 , and um 00:57:04.309 --> 00:57:11.037 and so I came I came from journalism. Um, And um And again we're going to 00:57:11.070 --> 00:57:15.876 continue our effort to get into the Watts. They've been really at at first 00:57:15.909 --> 00:57:21.997 they were a major detractor there. Um, they were really bothered by our 00:57:22.030 --> 00:57:28.546 concentration on 18 to 24 year old students and basically ignoring their 00:57:28.579 --> 00:57:35.356 40% non-traditional students and so one of the first things I did was 00:57:35.389 --> 00:57:40.736 schedule meetings with them to find out. About that, so we're continuing 00:57:40.769 --> 00:57:45.856 to build our relationship with with them. They're the they're the biggest 00:57:45.889 --> 00:57:52.365 by far the biggest college on the downtown campus 7000 students. They have 00:57:52.398 --> 00:58:00.077 4 schools, each as big as the Cronkite School. It's huge and um. And so we 00:58:00.110 --> 00:58:04.717 want to stay on our good, good side and expand to get more people like 00:58:04.750 --> 00:58:12.566 John Field win these awards, um. And uh it's that part of what we're gonna 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.546 do in the future is gonna be slow. That's not gonna be an overnight. 00:58:16.579 --> 00:58:21.425 Overnight change, but we were very, very happy and we hope maybe we can 00:58:21.458 --> 00:58:28.206 get a piece of this action when the Watts College began last October. And 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:32.086 it was a big announcement. It was probably the biggest announcement of the 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:38.845 year downtown, and it was held right out there in the, in the new lobby 00:58:38.878 --> 00:58:44.796 and um I was privileged to have been invited as one of the special guests 00:58:44.829 --> 00:58:50.776 by Jonathan Capell and um the the bottom line, they got a $30 million 00:58:50.809 --> 00:58:58.026 endowment, third biggest in ASU history. So we're hoping to stay. Close to 00:58:58.059 --> 00:59:02.066 them, part of what they, what they're gonna do in the future, part of 00:59:02.099 --> 00:59:07.506 their direction. This money came from a husband and wife who grew up in 00:59:07.539 --> 00:59:14.626 Maryvale, and they're very interested in using ASU resources to revitalize 00:59:14.659 --> 00:59:21.356 Maryvale. So Jonathan has talked to Nicola Foot, our vice team. They are 00:59:21.389 --> 00:59:25.635 gonna talk, continue to talk about how they can have an initiative in 00:59:25.668 --> 00:59:32.787 their Maryvale that can really. Get us a lot of public services. So those 00:59:32.820 --> 00:59:38.537 are, those are kind of the changes I'm seeing down the road, I'm not sure 00:59:38.570 --> 00:59:45.115 any new classes we should be on the lookout for? We're working on it. We 00:59:45.148 --> 00:59:51.057 are, we are having a problem right now with enrollment in honors courses 00:59:51.090 --> 00:59:55.615 and um trying to figure out why that is. We have some honors courses 00:59:55.648 --> 01:00:01.175 taught by our faculty. They've got 3 students this semester, and we, we, I 01:00:01.208 --> 01:00:06.787 had to cancel a bunch last year because of low. Once we figure out how to 01:00:06.820 --> 01:00:10.787 get students into honors classes, we'll probably launch a lot. There's a 01:00:10.820 --> 01:00:16.385 lot of interest among the faculty in teaching honors classes, special 01:00:16.418 --> 01:00:19.497 topics honors. 01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:23.206 Yeah, OK, um, so I, I that's pretty much the end of my questions. I guess 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.166 my last overarching question would be like, do you have any other last 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:31.327 comments that you'd want to say on record about Barrett, about just your 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.106 time here? The only thing I would come back to is I think it's important 01:00:36.139 --> 01:00:41.106 for the people to understand the history of it, that it, it, it grew in 01:00:41.139 --> 01:00:47.385 stages. It, it, it was not a foregone conclusion that ASU was gonna have 01:00:47.418 --> 01:00:52.227 an honors college. I think you you really kind of taught me to talk to old 01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:55.945 timers like me you can remember back to the beginning of what it was 01:00:55.978 --> 01:01:01.845 really like, um. And again it was not a foregone conclusion. There was a 01:01:01.878 --> 01:01:07.206 lot of challenge, a lot of stress. People like Ted Humphries initially had 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:12.186 to endure going around begging faculty to be. Just because he saw the 01:01:12.219 --> 01:01:20.219 prospect of like what an honors college could offer students yeah 01:01:20.228 --> 01:01:23.445 yeah and 01:01:23.478 --> 01:01:29.517 and There there were some tough days in the beginning, but but they they 01:01:29.550 --> 01:01:35.186 stayed the course, they got through, um, people were rallying around them 01:01:35.219 --> 01:01:37.477 and 01:01:37.510 --> 01:01:42.885 Another big turning point was when they established 10 years ago the 01:01:42.918 --> 01:01:50.276 location on the southeast. camps that was a big thing that shot there up 01:01:50.309 --> 01:01:52.695 to the statue 01:01:52.728 --> 01:01:59.566 and that was uh. That was Mark Mark Jacobs and Peggy pretty much heading 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.925 that up 01:02:01.958 --> 01:02:08.006 and not to and also not to not to overlook by any means, but the Barrett's 01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:12.566 Craig and Barbara Barrett when they endowed Barrett, I think that was in 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:20.126 2002. Um, actually before Mark 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:26.077 that was also a very big, very big now had a name. Yeah, 01:02:26.110 --> 01:02:30.736 up until then it was just the honors. 01:02:30.769 --> 01:02:35.327 Mhm. And now that they have like funded it now, it was this very like 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.865 notable thing. It's like, oh, that's Barrett, it's not just an honors 01:02:38.898 --> 01:02:45.586 college, it's Barrett. And so the history is very important. 01:02:45.619 --> 01:02:52.506 The student wants to appreciate what They're in what what. What they're 01:02:52.539 --> 01:02:58.017 about. The history largely reflects that. 01:02:58.050 --> 01:03:00.166 Well, yeah, I think that's all my questions. Kylie. Do you have anything 01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:07.878 to add? OK, nice of you folks to come in. I'm sorry that I had to.