WEBVTT 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:03.096 OK. 00:00:03.129 --> 00:00:10.937 This is Geneva Gill reviewing Maria H on 4 30 2015 for the undocumented 00:00:10.970 --> 00:00:17.956 Voices Oral History project. 00:00:17.989 --> 00:00:21.396 All right, this is a multi state project and the risk will vary depending 00:00:21.429 --> 00:00:24.855 on the interview location. We have worked to minimize these risks by 00:00:24.888 --> 00:00:28.396 attributing pseudonyms to all interviews collected. We will not collect 00:00:28.429 --> 00:00:33.015 formal identified information such as full names, addresses, et cetera. 00:00:33.048 --> 00:00:36.625 However, all interviews will be archived in their true original form, be 00:00:36.658 --> 00:00:40.286 advised that any identified information given through the interview will 00:00:40.319 --> 00:00:43.847 be available online publicly. 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:50.585 B Yeah. OK. So how did you get involved in the movement? And why? Um I 00:00:50.618 --> 00:00:55.237 mean, I grew up with a lot of my cousins were actually undocumented. Um 00:00:55.270 --> 00:01:00.426 And when prop 300 passed, I personally saw how a lot of my older cousins 00:01:00.459 --> 00:01:05.257 who physically wanted to go to college and he ended up not being able to 00:01:05.290 --> 00:01:10.176 do anything or go to college because of the high cost that were 00:01:10.209 --> 00:01:15.286 incorporated with like these tuition hikes. Um So I personally saw how 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.217 like his dreams were crushed and it's just been something that's affected 00:01:19.250 --> 00:01:26.016 my family personally. Um And that's why I decided to get involved. Um So 00:01:26.049 --> 00:01:30.566 what groups were you involved with? Um, throughout high school, I wasn't 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.525 necessarily as involved as I would want to be, but it wasn't until I got 00:01:33.558 --> 00:01:37.587 into a su and I started working on different political campaigns to try 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:40.906 and change the way and the direction that things were going for dreamers 00:01:40.939 --> 00:01:45.400 and just the immigration community as a whole in Arizona. So it wasn't 00:01:45.433 --> 00:01:51.602 until around 2011 that I didn't get involved like registering voters and 00:01:51.635 --> 00:01:55.561 turning people out to vote. Because for me, that's one of the ways that 00:01:55.594 --> 00:01:59.926 we'll be able to change things for this community. All right. And then 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:02.626 like, how did you participate? I know you said you did voter registration 00:02:02.659 --> 00:02:05.617 but like with what organizations so like, were there certain campaign you 00:02:05.650 --> 00:02:10.505 worked on? Yes. One of the specific campaigns that I worked on in 2012 was 00:02:10.538 --> 00:02:14.767 uh you made known, it was called the Alos Arpaio campaign specifically, 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:18.957 you know, tailored to try and get this person out of office. Um Sheriff 00:02:18.990 --> 00:02:23.866 Joe trying to get him not to be re-elected. Um And we registered nearly 00:02:23.899 --> 00:02:28.797 35,000 people to vote. Majority of them were Latino um in the hopes of, 00:02:28.830 --> 00:02:32.936 you know, like I said, getting this guy out of office who, you know, in 00:02:32.969 --> 00:02:37.755 this community was just creating a lot of havoc. Um So that's specifically 00:02:37.788 --> 00:02:41.316 one of the campaigns that I worked on and recently what I've been doing 00:02:41.349 --> 00:02:46.566 and working on with an organization called Case is we have been trying to 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:51.636 get people's renewing their DACA and also giving information about DAPA as 00:02:51.669 --> 00:02:55.987 well. Um, and getting people and students who are eligible to apply for 00:02:56.020 --> 00:03:02.005 that or, you know, reapply as well. Ok. Um, and then have you participated 00:03:02.038 --> 00:03:07.025 in any sit ins or other events? Apart from the ones listed, I've never 00:03:07.058 --> 00:03:11.737 done a sit in personally. Um, I just, mainly, I've lobbied a couple of 00:03:11.770 --> 00:03:16.827 times and I've also uh just done like marches. 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:21.856 Ok? And then I know you mentioned that your cousins um props 300 affected 00:03:21.889 --> 00:03:25.536 your cousins. Like how, 00:03:25.569 --> 00:03:30.446 how have they, how has that influenced you when it comes to the movement? 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:37.106 Um I guess it just made me more aware and feel I felt blessed to not have 00:03:37.139 --> 00:03:40.406 to really go through what they've gone through. Um But more than anything 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.707 , it's made me just more of, I guess, aware about what's going on because 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:50.316 knowing, knowing that that could have been me um as well. So it just kind 00:03:50.349 --> 00:03:54.775 of makes me, I guess, more aware and passionate to kind of do the work 00:03:54.808 --> 00:03:59.047 that a lot of the times they didn't have the chance to. So it's kind of 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:03.816 just made me more aware. You said that it could have been you. So what, 00:04:03.849 --> 00:04:06.745 what do you mean by that? Well, because my parents themselves were 00:04:06.778 --> 00:04:11.737 undocumented for over 24 years. Um And if they hadn't had made the 00:04:11.770 --> 00:04:15.085 decision to, you know, immigrate to the United States at the time that 00:04:15.118 --> 00:04:19.086 they did. You know, I could have been born, you know, in Mexico as well 00:04:19.119 --> 00:04:22.026 and gone through what my cousins are going through because I know for 00:04:22.059 --> 00:04:25.507 example, one of them came here when he was two. So he doesn't, he doesn't 00:04:25.540 --> 00:04:30.137 know Mexico even though he's over there now. But like he doesn't know, you 00:04:30.170 --> 00:04:33.055 know, he's not from there. So like I said, that could have been me. That 00:04:33.088 --> 00:04:36.967 could have been me too. So just because like my parents decided to, you 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:42.245 know, come here a little earlier, but that's definitely a reality I've had 00:04:42.278 --> 00:04:45.947 all my life is that could have been me. So, you know, I wanna try and make 00:04:45.980 --> 00:04:51.776 a difference whenever I can and then um within the movement, do you feel 00:04:51.809 --> 00:04:56.265 like it's fragmented? What do they mean by fragmented? Like, do you feel 00:04:56.298 --> 00:05:02.697 like it's divided between like states or certain, like, you know, there's 00:05:02.730 --> 00:05:05.046 different movements, like, you know, there's a quit movement, there's 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.967 undocumented ways. Do you feel like it's just fragmented, like movement 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:15.495 itself? Like the dream, I feel like in, in earlier, like, it sort of was 00:05:15.528 --> 00:05:19.217 um you know, there was different types of coalitions coming together all 00:05:19.250 --> 00:05:23.286 trying to in a sense, accomplish the same thing. Um But I feel like as 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:28.245 time has gone on and with specifically with D AC A, I feel like a lot of 00:05:28.278 --> 00:05:33.236 these organizations have more or so are starting to work more with each 00:05:33.269 --> 00:05:38.026 other. So I feel like it's not as fragmented um as it used to be because 00:05:38.059 --> 00:05:41.947 now, like with, like I said, with DACA, I feel like a lot of organizations 00:05:41.980 --> 00:05:47.586 are trying to, you know, give students or people the opportunity to apply 00:05:47.619 --> 00:05:50.687 for that. So I feel like DACA has really brought these people and these 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:54.666 movements together. And then with that, I know you said that you work with 00:05:54.699 --> 00:05:58.637 Case, you've recently been working with Case for D A and D A, like what 00:05:58.670 --> 00:06:03.796 role do you play within that? Um I am one of the people that helps give, I 00:06:03.829 --> 00:06:08.726 basically help do surveys and see if people are eligible for DACA DAPA to 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.836 , you know, mainly in the work in the workplaces like hotels um like in my 00:06:12.869 --> 00:06:18.757 workplace um help interview some of my coworkers. Um and through that, uh 00:06:18.790 --> 00:06:23.836 see if they could potentially, you know, qualify for that. So mainly like 00:06:23.869 --> 00:06:27.476 my workplace in the hotel industry. OK. And then how do you feel that DACA 00:06:27.509 --> 00:06:30.137 has brought the movement together? Because that's what you said that you 00:06:30.170 --> 00:06:35.955 said that you felt was five months earlier. But with the emergence of DACA 00:06:35.988 --> 00:06:40.606 and DAPA, it's brought them more together because you think it's brought 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.387 them together. I think one of the ways it's brought them together, it's 00:06:43.420 --> 00:06:49.776 given people kind of a goal and something to work with because before I 00:06:49.809 --> 00:06:53.906 feel like everyone wanted to pass well, you know, they had their own 00:06:53.939 --> 00:06:59.127 version of the dream act and stuff like that. But I feel like with D ac A 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:04.395 being something that people can actually apply for, um I feel like it's 00:07:04.428 --> 00:07:08.015 kind of like, I, I just brought people together in a way of giving them 00:07:08.048 --> 00:07:12.856 something to do and something more concrete to actually accomplish and 00:07:12.889 --> 00:07:18.817 work towards versus, you know, other things um associated with like 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:23.317 dreamers. So you feel like it gave them like a set goal, like uh actual 00:07:23.350 --> 00:07:29.055 visual of what they, they need to accomplish. OK. Um And then where do you 00:07:29.088 --> 00:07:31.697 place yourself in the movement? I know you said, like you're involved with 00:07:31.730 --> 00:07:38.145 certain organizations but where do you place yourself in the movement? 00:07:38.178 --> 00:07:45.887 Mm mm I think I am sort of, well, I place myself as I guess an ally 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:53.920 because I myself am not undocumented, but I feel like with my experiences 00:07:54.028 --> 00:07:58.745 um and everything, like, the only thing that separates me from them is a 00:07:58.778 --> 00:08:05.046 number is uh a card. And for me, like I said, I feel like at any moment 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:10.866 that could have been me. So I really see myself as, you know, someone from 00:08:10.899 --> 00:08:14.656 the community and I don't like to sort of separate myself from dreamers 00:08:14.689 --> 00:08:17.656 because like I said, the only thing separating us is like a piece of paper. 00:08:17.689 --> 00:08:21.026 You know, we're all people that you want to make a difference. We all 00:08:21.059 --> 00:08:25.455 have dreams, we all have goals, ambitions. Um So I don't really like to 00:08:25.488 --> 00:08:29.205 separate myself from them because at the end of the day, the only thing 00:08:29.238 --> 00:08:33.976 that does quote unquote, separate us is a piece of paper and, you know, 00:08:34.009 --> 00:08:37.206 that shouldn't be reason enough to not incorporate myself within that 00:08:37.239 --> 00:08:41.167 community. So I say an ally because I myself, I'm not undocumented. But at 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.336 the same time, you know, I feel like in reality, we're all one and the 00:08:44.369 --> 00:08:48.145 same. So I kind of see myself as a leader and as someone who wants to, you 00:08:48.178 --> 00:08:52.177 know, make a difference um within the community. So, all right. And then 00:08:52.210 --> 00:08:57.686 with that, um how do you feel about the term dreamer and documented? Um I 00:08:57.719 --> 00:09:02.927 feel like it's kind of, it, it helps stigmatize. Um I don't, I personally 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:07.917 don't like calling people dreamers are documented because that kind of, 00:09:07.950 --> 00:09:13.186 like I said, separates them from, you know, everybody else. And I feel 00:09:13.219 --> 00:09:17.255 like we need to just start incorporating like all these, you know, like 00:09:17.288 --> 00:09:22.086 immigrants and like everyone just together because I feel like that kind 00:09:22.119 --> 00:09:25.446 of sends a message of like, that's them. And we're us instead of saying 00:09:25.479 --> 00:09:29.476 like, we're all in this fight together in this movement together. Um So I 00:09:29.509 --> 00:09:34.606 personally don't like either the word documented or dreamer because at the 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.066 end of the day, I feel like that just kind of puts a stigma on people and 00:09:38.099 --> 00:09:43.177 instead of really unifying and bringing them together? OK. And then how do 00:09:43.210 --> 00:09:47.635 you, how do you feel about one of the movements slogans that was 00:09:47.668 --> 00:09:51.326 undocumented and afraid 00:09:51.359 --> 00:09:57.537 how I feel about that slogan. Um I think is very powerful because uh and 00:09:57.570 --> 00:10:00.596 personally, like my parents were undocumented for a long time and they 00:10:00.629 --> 00:10:06.297 were afraid um for a very, very long time and I feel like undocumented and 00:10:06.330 --> 00:10:12.476 unafraid, kind of just helps people realize or kind of like the elephant 00:10:12.509 --> 00:10:16.417 in the room. Like people are undocumented and they say, oh, I'm not afraid 00:10:16.450 --> 00:10:20.967 , like whatever, like I'm not scared, but in reality, people are and I 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.927 feel like pointing that out, kind of gives people an opportunity to come 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:29.106 out of the shadows and, and seeing as to how other people are, like you 00:10:29.139 --> 00:10:33.525 said, quote unquote undocumented and afraid it gets people who are afraid 00:10:33.558 --> 00:10:41.467 to kind of like um an opportunity to come out. Um and not be afraid. So. 00:10:41.500 --> 00:10:45.706 Ok. Um And then do you feel that immigration reform should be focused at 00:10:45.739 --> 00:10:50.336 like the local state or federal level? I feel like it should be focused on 00:10:50.369 --> 00:10:56.625 at every level, but more importantly, locally, because I feel like at the 00:10:56.658 --> 00:11:01.755 end of the day, local change can come quicker and we have more of an 00:11:01.788 --> 00:11:07.586 impact and more to say um locally than we do nationally, you know, we can 00:11:07.619 --> 00:11:12.307 try and you know, pressure Obama and everything. But at the end of the day 00:11:12.340 --> 00:11:16.586 , change for me starts locally in your communities, you know, standing up 00:11:16.619 --> 00:11:20.907 , whether it's, you know, a friend who doesn't vote, telling them to vote 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:24.385 or, you know, different things like that because for me, like I've seen 00:11:24.418 --> 00:11:30.037 changes happen locally and I know it can happen. Um but, you know, I'm not 00:11:30.070 --> 00:11:34.076 that I'm not saying that, you know, global or national change isn't 00:11:34.109 --> 00:11:39.106 achievable. But if everybody came together locally and started to organize 00:11:39.139 --> 00:11:41.927 and, you know, really push for change, then that would eventually lead to 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.366 like a domino effect and create national change. Um So I think for me, 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:52.787 more importantly, local change is what's more effective. OK. Um And then 00:11:52.820 --> 00:11:58.297 how do you find out about like events going on within the Dreamer movement 00:11:58.330 --> 00:12:02.667 or the immigration movement? Like, how do you keep in touch? Like how well 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:07.236 social media, as I think a really big part. Um You know, I follow all 00:12:07.269 --> 00:12:09.395 these different groups, I'm friends with all these different like 00:12:09.428 --> 00:12:13.946 activists and um I see anytime they post something or any events that are 00:12:13.979 --> 00:12:18.775 going on uh as long as, as well as through email, but more than anything 00:12:18.808 --> 00:12:21.836 it's through, you know, social media that I find out about events and 00:12:21.869 --> 00:12:28.645 stuff like that and also like networks that I know of reaching out. Uh And 00:12:28.678 --> 00:12:31.616 then you said that your parents had been undocumented for a really long 00:12:31.649 --> 00:12:35.336 time. Um Are they no longer undocumented. No, they are no longer 00:12:35.369 --> 00:12:39.375 undocumented because when I turned 21 I petitioned for them and I was, I 00:12:39.408 --> 00:12:43.566 was able to get them, you know, get their residency and stuff like that 00:12:43.599 --> 00:12:48.326 through, through the petitioning process. So, and how do you feel about 00:12:48.359 --> 00:12:53.885 these quote unquote dreamers? Um not having a pathway to citizenship like 00:12:53.918 --> 00:12:59.275 your parents did. It upsets me a lot because 00:12:59.308 --> 00:13:06.037 at the end of the day, like people know that if we, you know, give these 00:13:06.070 --> 00:13:12.667 students a pathway to citizenship that's gonna, I guess, get them out of 00:13:12.700 --> 00:13:15.956 office and get them out of power and they're afraid. And I feel like this 00:13:15.989 --> 00:13:21.157 is a perfect example. Um that shows that, you know, united, like we're 00:13:21.190 --> 00:13:25.797 very, very strong and if we could vote, then things would be way different. 00:13:25.830 --> 00:13:30.976 Um So, and I'm sort of, I guess upset that there is no pathway to 00:13:31.009 --> 00:13:35.677 citizenship citizenship, but I feel like just because there isn't one now 00:13:35.710 --> 00:13:42.275 doesn't mean there can't be one. Sure. 00:13:42.308 --> 00:13:50.308 All right. And then, 00:13:50.389 --> 00:13:53.686 all right, um 00:13:53.719 --> 00:13:57.907 you said something about coming out of the shadows earlier. Um when it's 00:13:57.940 --> 00:14:01.515 least said they said undocumented and unafraid. So the slope there used to 00:14:01.548 --> 00:14:08.726 be um I guess before there was this part of the movement where it kind of 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.246 said there was like no fault of their own. So it kind of put the blame on 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:14.807 the parents that, you know, it was not their fault. How did it. How did 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:19.936 you feel about that when, you know, they, um, obviously it's changed now. 00:14:19.969 --> 00:14:24.846 Um, and we want, with the push for D A and D A, it's, we're pushing, 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.836 they're pushing for their parents as well. But I know before it was, like 00:14:27.869 --> 00:14:31.856 , focus on the dreamers or like the undocumented students um that, you 00:14:31.889 --> 00:14:34.525 know, no fault of their own and, like, politicians would use that as, you 00:14:34.558 --> 00:14:37.106 know, it's not their fault and kind of blaming the parents. How do you 00:14:37.139 --> 00:14:43.986 feel about that? Because you, your parents are undocumented? So. Mhm. Um I 00:14:44.019 --> 00:14:47.576 feel like they could have used, I mean, I know they're not using that any 00:14:47.609 --> 00:14:54.696 longer but I feel like, and at that point in time it maybe was good for 00:14:54.729 --> 00:14:59.557 them to use because I mean, they were trying to get the focus on just 00:14:59.590 --> 00:15:04.346 themselves and in a way, you know, it did help but I would have personally 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:08.476 try and not used it because like you were saying, it puts the fault on the 00:15:08.509 --> 00:15:15.015 parents and then there's people who think of the more like 11 million 00:15:15.048 --> 00:15:18.186 undocumented people that just come here to steal jobs or whatever it may 00:15:18.219 --> 00:15:22.846 be and it kind of puts them in that light and saying, oh, it was my 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.047 parents' fault that I'm here. So it's like you're saying, putting the 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:31.467 blame on the parent and I don't think that was fair for either of those 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:35.476 either for the dreamer or for the parent because at the end of the day, 00:15:35.509 --> 00:15:40.576 that parent's here to make a better life. And yes, it may have been, I 00:15:40.609 --> 00:15:47.297 guess their fault but just saying it wasn't our fault or, you know, kind 00:15:47.330 --> 00:15:50.576 of they were brought here, you know, on their own, kind of just really 00:15:50.609 --> 00:15:55.606 makes that blame more real. And I don't think it's fair for the parents 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.145 who risked, in my case, in my parents' case, who risked their lives to 00:15:59.178 --> 00:16:02.765 come here to give us a better life. It kind of like, I don't know, I 00:16:02.798 --> 00:16:06.807 personally don't, don't like it. And I feel like it does kind of put a 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.907 negative light on the people who aren't dreamers who are still 00:16:09.940 --> 00:16:14.196 undocumented like the parents um because those were my friends for a long 00:16:14.229 --> 00:16:20.606 time. So I personally don't like it and don't agree on the use of it 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:25.846 because yeah, I mean, it's not their fault but you kind of kind of when 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.236 you say that it's like you're kind of washing your hands and saying like, 00:16:28.269 --> 00:16:31.076 it's not my fault, it's their fault, but it belongs to somebody else. And 00:16:31.109 --> 00:16:35.096 I feel like instead of unifying both movements of, you know, parents, you 00:16:35.129 --> 00:16:40.476 know, immigration reform, but also, you know, like a dream act since the 00:16:40.509 --> 00:16:44.157 beginning would have made it a lot stronger. Um And who knows where we 00:16:44.190 --> 00:16:47.946 would have been now if that had happened. Um But I feel like by saying 00:16:47.979 --> 00:16:52.255 it's not our fault kind of divides instead of unifying both, both things. 00:16:52.288 --> 00:16:56.217 OK. And with that, um you did say like, you know, those people that aren't 00:16:56.250 --> 00:17:00.645 dreamers. Um And I know you talked about how you don't like the term 00:17:00.678 --> 00:17:05.045 dreamer because it stigmatizes dreamers are usually seen as, you know, the 00:17:05.078 --> 00:17:08.526 model student. How do you feel about, you know, those students who 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:14.946 technically don't fall under that um dream dreamer, you know, criteria 00:17:14.979 --> 00:17:19.906 under the Dream Act um like, is that why you don't like the term dreamer 00:17:19.939 --> 00:17:25.426 or is it more of like, it kind of puts the blame on the parents too? Um I 00:17:25.459 --> 00:17:28.967 think 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:34.156 that's why one of the reason why I don't like it because um at the end of 00:17:34.189 --> 00:17:40.315 the day, there's various reasons as to why a student coming from that 00:17:40.348 --> 00:17:44.647 background may have not been the best student at school, you know, may 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:49.035 have not graduated high school. I feel like there's a lot of things that 00:17:49.068 --> 00:17:54.315 play into that and especially when you, let's say you're undocumented and 00:17:54.348 --> 00:17:58.597 you have all these things already against you. But let's say, maybe you 00:17:58.630 --> 00:18:02.107 don't have the support from your family to say, hey, get good grades. Like 00:18:02.140 --> 00:18:07.377 , you know, go to college, maybe you didn't graduate from high school. But 00:18:07.410 --> 00:18:11.416 that doesn't mean you can't be good society that doesn't mean that you 00:18:11.449 --> 00:18:13.835 didn't do it just because you were lazy. There's a lot of factors that 00:18:13.868 --> 00:18:18.035 could influence that like, maybe you couldn't graduate from high school 00:18:18.068 --> 00:18:20.597 because a lot of things going on at home. But I feel like with the term 00:18:20.630 --> 00:18:24.696 dreamer, like you were saying, it kind of divides those people from like 00:18:24.729 --> 00:18:30.887 the good students or the good quote unquote dreamers, which is bad. And I 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:35.785 don't like that because instead of again, like that just divides instead 00:18:35.818 --> 00:18:41.535 of unifying, you know, this, this movement because like, personally, for 00:18:41.568 --> 00:18:46.285 me, like, I personally know a family that are dreamers or it could be 00:18:46.318 --> 00:18:49.666 quote unquote dreamers. But let's say if the Dream Act passed, they 00:18:49.699 --> 00:18:54.006 couldn't apply for it because they themselves had different things going 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:58.545 on in their lives where there was personal um that maybe didn't allow them 00:18:58.578 --> 00:19:02.246 to graduate high school or maybe they got hung out with the wrong crowd. 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.315 Um So I feel like with the term Dream Act and it only incorporating a 00:19:07.348 --> 00:19:14.217 specific number of people, um It kind of kind of stigmatizes or puts kind 00:19:14.250 --> 00:19:19.266 of labels, people who don't fall under the Dream act as bad or as people 00:19:19.299 --> 00:19:22.045 that we don't want in our country. When in reality, we don't know the 00:19:22.078 --> 00:19:26.416 entire situation of what actually happened, you know, in their lives. So I 00:19:26.449 --> 00:19:31.285 feel like it kind of in a way negatively affects other people, other I 00:19:31.318 --> 00:19:37.835 guess non dreamers that are undocumented as they're the bad ones. Um Like 00:19:37.868 --> 00:19:41.545 I said, I personally don't think that's fair for them because as a 00:19:41.578 --> 00:19:46.315 community, we don't know what happened. We don't, who are we to blame and 00:19:46.348 --> 00:19:51.656 who are we to judge as to why they don't fall under specific criteria? Um 00:19:51.689 --> 00:19:56.217 So that's why I don't. And then how do you, do you feel like you said that 00:19:56.250 --> 00:20:01.256 DACA was something for, you know, the movements and organizations to work 00:20:01.289 --> 00:20:04.996 for and that unified them? Do you feel it's the ultimate goal or if it's 00:20:05.029 --> 00:20:12.967 just like a step toward getting to where it should be? 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:18.016 I think it's just one of the many steps as a, as a community we need to 00:20:18.049 --> 00:20:24.035 take to, you know, eventually in reality, like unify, like all of these 00:20:24.068 --> 00:20:27.555 Muslims together, it's a great first step, you know, and I feel like it, 00:20:27.588 --> 00:20:31.996 it made a lot of these organizations realize like, OK, now we have 00:20:32.029 --> 00:20:36.815 something to work towards, but at the same time, it also kind of is a 00:20:36.848 --> 00:20:40.967 realization that the work is not done and the work's not over and that 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.486 just because DACA or D A may have passed or whatever it may be that that's 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.436 going to change everything else and that's going to make everything all 00:20:48.469 --> 00:20:54.285 better. Um I really hope that all these, you know, organizations working, 00:20:54.318 --> 00:20:59.936 you know, to get help students of DACA and parents of DAPA. Um I really 00:20:59.969 --> 00:21:03.696 hope that's not where it ends. And I really hope that a lot of these 00:21:03.729 --> 00:21:08.325 organizations continue to, you know, help be the voice for for the, for 00:21:08.358 --> 00:21:12.857 their communities because like I said, for me, I don't think that that's 00:21:12.890 --> 00:21:15.996 where it's over and that's just the beginning of a lot of work that still 00:21:16.029 --> 00:21:20.305 needs to be done. So I really hope that these orgs kind of don't just 00:21:20.338 --> 00:21:24.367 focus on DACA and then like, disappear and I hope they continue working 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:29.545 towards really unifying um the movement and incorporating other, other 00:21:29.578 --> 00:21:34.920 people into, into this so bigger than I think.