WEBVTT 00:00:00.009 --> 00:00:04.596 Yes. OK. Well, let's go ahead and get started. So, first of all, I just 00:00:04.629 --> 00:00:08.027 wanted to say thank you all so much for joining us. I know it's early in 00:00:08.060 --> 00:00:12.415 the morning for some of you, uh midday for some of us. So thanks for being 00:00:12.448 --> 00:00:16.747 here. Um Also, I wanted to say it's been a great opportunity to work with 00:00:16.780 --> 00:00:20.855 each of you over the course of the last year or so. Um getting to know 00:00:20.888 --> 00:00:25.736 your work and what your interests are. Um And then kind of wrapping those 00:00:25.769 --> 00:00:29.546 things up into your policy briefs is really a, a great exercise for me as 00:00:29.579 --> 00:00:35.146 well. So I wanted to um kinda have a culminating event which this is today 00:00:35.179 --> 00:00:38.896 to be able to talk to you about how best to circulate your memos. Um 00:00:38.929 --> 00:00:43.457 Either the ones that we worked on together or ones that you may um do when 00:00:43.490 --> 00:00:47.676 your research is further along in the future. So again, if there are any 00:00:47.709 --> 00:00:50.835 questions that you may have, you don't have to wait till the end, you can 00:00:50.868 --> 00:00:54.476 throw them in the chat. Alexis is monitoring the chat. So she'll kinda 00:00:54.509 --> 00:00:58.106 stop me if I need to clarify any points or if there are questions that 00:00:58.139 --> 00:01:02.356 come up. Um But my plan is to spend about 20 minutes kind of going through 00:01:02.389 --> 00:01:06.745 the presentation and then having um another 20 or 25 minutes towards the 00:01:06.778 --> 00:01:14.778 end to get into any discussion that we need to. 00:01:15.459 --> 00:01:21.135 Ok. So the first tip for policy influence is to target your audience and 00:01:21.168 --> 00:01:24.906 to do that, you wanna ask yourself some key questions and those are, what 00:01:24.939 --> 00:01:28.566 level of policy do you wish to impact? And I think we've kind of talked 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:32.296 about this before. Um when we were thinking about who your audience is for 00:01:32.329 --> 00:01:36.227 your policy briefs, but you can affect policy all the way from, you know, 00:01:36.260 --> 00:01:41.576 the federal level down to, you know, anything local. So that may be a 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:47.055 school board, it may be um a particular program that's operating in your 00:01:47.088 --> 00:01:52.525 local environment. It could be um a policy at a university level or within 00:01:52.558 --> 00:01:57.096 a department or a college at a university. So the primary thing that 00:01:57.129 --> 00:02:00.796 you'll need to do before you begin circulating or sharing your memos or 00:02:00.829 --> 00:02:04.867 your research with anyone is to really think through where do you wanna 00:02:04.900 --> 00:02:09.146 have the impact? And then once you figure that out, the next thing to do 00:02:09.179 --> 00:02:14.585 is to decide how changes are made at the level. Um being able to figure 00:02:14.618 --> 00:02:20.077 out how policy process works will really help you decide where you can 00:02:20.110 --> 00:02:25.275 engage and uh at what point you should be engaging. So if we're talking 00:02:25.308 --> 00:02:31.436 about uh making policy changes or trying to influence policy on a city or 00:02:31.469 --> 00:02:37.096 state level or even a national level, um there are very specific things 00:02:37.129 --> 00:02:41.346 that have to happen in order for you to have any influence and they're not 00:02:41.379 --> 00:02:45.975 necessarily um related to all of your efforts. There are so many different 00:02:46.008 --> 00:02:49.707 things that are involved with changing policy at that large of a level. 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:54.096 But if you're talking about working collaboratively with the department at 00:02:54.129 --> 00:02:58.767 a college, um change may not take so long, there may not be as many steps 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.866 involved. And so the thing here is really just understanding what is the 00:03:02.899 --> 00:03:07.626 policy process, how are changes made when do bodies that make changes meet 00:03:07.659 --> 00:03:13.136 ? Um so that you kind of have a time frame of when you might wanna engage. 00:03:13.169 --> 00:03:16.656 And then the third thing to wanna ask yourself upfront is who is 00:03:16.689 --> 00:03:20.936 empowered to make the changes at each level. 00:03:20.969 --> 00:03:24.936 And this is gonna vary depending on what level of policy you're trying to 00:03:24.969 --> 00:03:30.416 influence. 00:03:30.449 --> 00:03:34.525 So the next thing after you decide where you wanna make an impact is to 00:03:34.558 --> 00:03:39.116 figure out an outreach plan uh to reach the folks who have influence. The 00:03:39.149 --> 00:03:42.846 first thing that I always say to start with is your own network. So you 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.745 wanna ask yourself, who do you know? That's the first part? But how well 00:03:46.778 --> 00:03:50.286 do you know them? Um how well do you know them? Is really important 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:54.946 because if you have a, a strong relationship with someone, it's really 00:03:54.979 --> 00:04:00.207 easy, um, to tap that network and talk about your ideas and then to be 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:07.536 able to, um, share information and get feedback on how well they think, um 00:04:07.569 --> 00:04:11.805 , your idea might be received with who it is. You're trying to influence. 00:04:11.838 --> 00:04:15.856 That can be a quick phone call, a quick chat if you know this person, 00:04:15.889 --> 00:04:19.515 like I said, you know, really, well, it's pretty easy to have that kind of 00:04:19.548 --> 00:04:25.055 a casual conversation and be able to gain some, you know, intel if you 00:04:25.088 --> 00:04:30.697 don't know them well, um you know, that that approach isn't probably the 00:04:30.730 --> 00:04:33.955 best. And so we'll get into some approaches on the next slide, but you'll 00:04:33.988 --> 00:04:37.937 wanna start with tapping your own network. The next thing you wanna do is 00:04:37.970 --> 00:04:42.055 ask who do these people know? And then don't be shy about asking for an 00:04:42.088 --> 00:04:46.137 introduction. And then when you don't know anyone at all, this is a 00:04:46.170 --> 00:04:50.346 position that I think a lot of folks find themselves in, especially if 00:04:50.379 --> 00:04:55.176 they're kind of novices to the policy spaces. Um You're not necessarily 00:04:55.209 --> 00:04:59.986 networked with anyone that is in position to affect change. And so when 00:05:00.019 --> 00:05:04.575 that happens, some strategies are uh attending network events. And right 00:05:04.608 --> 00:05:09.336 now, there are so many that are happening virtually um that you could, you 00:05:09.369 --> 00:05:15.495 know, tap into um very easily and the way you would start with attending a 00:05:15.528 --> 00:05:21.096 networking event is, you could start by thinking of uh a networking event 00:05:21.129 --> 00:05:27.036 that is on a topic of interest that you have or you could think about uh a 00:05:27.069 --> 00:05:30.955 networking event where there are folks likely to be there who have 00:05:30.988 --> 00:05:36.106 influence in the space that you're wanting to um get into. So there's a 00:05:36.139 --> 00:05:39.726 couple of different ways you can think about which networking events might 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:46.947 net the best results. Another strategy when you don't know uh anyone is to 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:51.947 find a connection. And basically what I mean by that is, do you know 00:05:51.980 --> 00:05:59.836 someone um that is connected to you in a way that isn't typical. So for 00:05:59.869 --> 00:06:04.145 example, do you know someone that goes to church with you? That's, you 00:06:04.178 --> 00:06:08.426 know, something that um you have in common, do you know someone whose 00:06:08.459 --> 00:06:12.286 Children plays on the same soccer league as your kids? That might be 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.296 something that you have in common that you can begin to grow a 00:06:15.329 --> 00:06:21.596 relationship from? Um Do you have uh the same alma mater? That might be 00:06:21.629 --> 00:06:26.377 something that you can start with as a commonality. The reason why finding 00:06:26.410 --> 00:06:32.106 a connection helps even when you don't know anyone um is because people 00:06:32.139 --> 00:06:35.877 are more likely to talk to you and be interested in what you have to say 00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:39.046 when they can find some common ground or it seems as if you have shared 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:45.356 interest or perhaps you um you know, have had similar experiences that 00:06:45.389 --> 00:06:49.606 level of familiarity uh Right. Or wrong is really something that helps 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:54.236 people kind of break the ice and begin to open up to an idea of developing 00:06:54.269 --> 00:06:58.967 a relationship. The next thing uh if you don't know anyone is to follow 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:03.796 the change of uh chain of command. So cold calling is like the last 00:07:03.829 --> 00:07:08.567 strategy that I would suggest you do. But if it is the only strategy 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.955 available to you because you don't have anyone in your network. And um you 00:07:13.988 --> 00:07:16.676 know, you haven't been able to find an event where you could come into 00:07:16.709 --> 00:07:19.887 contact with these folks or connection that would help you build a 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:25.757 relationship. Cold calling is uh you know, something that you could try 00:07:25.790 --> 00:07:29.166 and what you would wanna do is follow the chain of command. So for example 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.265 , if you're trying to reach a university dean, you wouldn't start off by 00:07:33.298 --> 00:07:37.745 calling the dean or by emailing the dean directly and you wouldn't do that 00:07:37.778 --> 00:07:44.075 for any other reason if you know, the dean is probably very busy. Um He or 00:07:44.108 --> 00:07:49.726 she may not check email regularly or be open to answering email from folks 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:55.805 that they don't really know. Um they may not respond in a timely manner. 00:07:55.838 --> 00:08:00.265 So instead of trying to reach the dean directly, you'd wanna go through 00:08:00.298 --> 00:08:04.046 the chain of command and figure out who is the assistant to the dean and 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:08.507 email that person, um that person has a better command of the dean's 00:08:08.540 --> 00:08:13.817 calendar, uh schedule interest. Um That person can make a quick 00:08:13.850 --> 00:08:18.627 introduction and introduce uh kind of what who you are and what you want 00:08:18.660 --> 00:08:23.887 to do and then set up an appointment or a meeting for you. So it's 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:28.455 important that you, um really kind of think through what would be the best 00:08:28.488 --> 00:08:31.666 way to reach someone and it's not always going straight to that person 00:08:31.699 --> 00:08:39.699 when you have, uh you know, no relationship with them. 00:08:41.349 --> 00:08:46.346 So once you figure out an outreach plan, we, we can talk about how you 00:08:46.379 --> 00:08:51.196 communicate with the folks. First thing is always to have clear concise 00:08:51.229 --> 00:08:57.657 communication, your communication should be very intentional. Um At this 00:08:57.690 --> 00:09:02.066 point, you are, you know, in the process of developing a relationship, but 00:09:02.099 --> 00:09:06.596 you're developing a relationship for a very specific pur purpose. So if 00:09:06.629 --> 00:09:10.446 you're communicating with someone in your network, as I kinda alluded to 00:09:10.479 --> 00:09:15.537 before a brief phone call, followed by a succinct email that gives the 00:09:15.570 --> 00:09:20.976 details of what it is. Um Your ideas are or what your request of them is, 00:09:21.009 --> 00:09:25.976 is probably the best way. Um, a phone call or a quick text message. This 00:09:26.009 --> 00:09:28.586 really works. If you're familiar with someone, you have a great 00:09:28.619 --> 00:09:34.326 relationship, um, it saves a lot of time for both of you to be able to 00:09:34.359 --> 00:09:38.717 just say, hey, listen, I need to get in touch with um the dean of this 00:09:38.750 --> 00:09:41.875 particular college because I have a new idea that I think would be really 00:09:41.908 --> 00:09:46.217 beneficial. Can I send you an email with more details. That's kind of all 00:09:46.250 --> 00:09:48.596 you would need to say if you have a really good relationship with someone 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:53.866 , if you have a good relationship with someone, but you haven't activated 00:09:53.899 --> 00:09:58.706 it in a while or nurtured it in a while. The next best thing might be um 00:09:58.739 --> 00:10:03.547 to talk over coffee or over lunch or nowadays, uh, a virtual chat would 00:10:03.580 --> 00:10:08.596 also do. Um, and that really is an opportunity for you to kinda learn 00:10:08.629 --> 00:10:13.236 what's been happening in their lives, um personally and professionally and 00:10:13.269 --> 00:10:17.226 then to be able to one determine if they're still the right person for you 00:10:17.259 --> 00:10:23.525 to uh make the ask of and then to just kind of get back on some common 00:10:23.558 --> 00:10:29.366 ground. And so, um you know, this is also kind of another reason why you 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:33.547 want to always be nurturing your relationships so that when you do get 00:10:33.580 --> 00:10:38.206 into a place where um something may be happening quickly or you find an 00:10:38.239 --> 00:10:42.826 opportunity and the opportunity uh you need to respond to very quickly 00:10:42.859 --> 00:10:47.467 having someone in your network that is, um you know, ha you have a good 00:10:47.500 --> 00:10:51.385 relationship with, um will help you kind of move things along a lot faster 00:10:51.418 --> 00:10:55.797 and you'll notice that in the policy space, sometimes depending on which 00:10:55.830 --> 00:10:59.875 level you're trying to affect time is of the essence. And other times, you 00:10:59.908 --> 00:11:04.566 know, these things can take months, months on months um to really make any 00:11:04.599 --> 00:11:09.515 sustained uh progress. But other times things move quickly. So keeping 00:11:09.548 --> 00:11:15.706 your network, um you know, healthy, I think is just a really good practice 00:11:15.739 --> 00:11:19.467 in general. The other thing that you would be using these phone calls or 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:25.356 coffees or virtual meetings for is to gain some intel on the either the 00:11:25.389 --> 00:11:29.307 area that you're trying to impact or the folks that you're trying to reach. 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:33.657 So use that communication as an opportunity to gain information that will 00:11:33.690 --> 00:11:36.265 also help you strategize 00:11:36.298 --> 00:11:41.417 if you're trying to reach someone out of network, so you don't really have 00:11:41.450 --> 00:11:46.326 a personal relationship with them. Um The best thing to do would be to 00:11:46.359 --> 00:11:52.346 provide a succinct email with your ideas. Um And you ask, followed by a 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:56.456 phone call after a reasonable amount of time if, if they haven't responded 00:11:56.489 --> 00:12:00.177 to your email. Um The reason you would start with an email is because 00:12:00.210 --> 00:12:05.866 nobody really likes getting put on the spot um or being asked to commit to 00:12:05.899 --> 00:12:10.005 anything without having an opportunity to thoroughly look it over to 00:12:10.038 --> 00:12:15.326 research who you are. Um And then to be able to think about whether or not 00:12:15.359 --> 00:12:20.206 your as aligns with their interest. And so calling someone out of the blue 00:12:20.239 --> 00:12:24.717 is never really a good approach. Send a, send an email, don't list all of 00:12:24.750 --> 00:12:29.746 the details, but just enough to kind of wet their interest and um include 00:12:29.779 --> 00:12:35.505 some information about your work and then follow up within, I would say 5 00:12:35.538 --> 00:12:41.316 to 7 days uh if you haven't heard back, another great way to reach folks 00:12:41.349 --> 00:12:45.096 out of your network is through social media. So if they have an active 00:12:45.129 --> 00:12:49.037 social media account, um or they're sharing information about the 00:12:49.070 --> 00:12:54.557 organization, it would behoove you to one follow them. Um So that you stay 00:12:54.590 --> 00:12:59.657 aware of all of the changes and um you know, things that they've got going 00:12:59.690 --> 00:13:05.537 on, but also to begin a relationship that way, oftentimes if you 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:10.736 communicate through social media, um whomever is monitoring the social 00:13:10.769 --> 00:13:15.125 media account will engage with you. So if this is a great opportunity to 00:13:15.158 --> 00:13:21.206 ask questions, to gain more information, um to share ideas and to have um 00:13:21.239 --> 00:13:28.297 conversations in hopes of developing a relationship. That way, 00:13:28.330 --> 00:13:33.856 I pause here and ask if we have any questions or if anything needs 00:13:33.889 --> 00:13:36.297 clarifying. 00:13:36.330 --> 00:13:42.936 If so you can drop it in the chat. 00:13:42.969 --> 00:13:47.936 Go ahead ra roti if you wanna take yourself off mute. Yeah, I had a 00:13:47.969 --> 00:13:53.586 question and you may be coming to it later. Um Monica, this is Rati, my 00:13:53.619 --> 00:13:58.606 question is that sometimes, you know, each of us have done very point 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:04.826 projects, right? Very narrow specific point research on something that 00:14:04.859 --> 00:14:11.917 itself is not a strong enough value proposition to change a policy or 00:14:11.950 --> 00:14:19.236 impact it. However, that coupled with other people's research or knowledge 00:14:19.269 --> 00:14:25.696 from research or other things together can make a contribution to changing 00:14:25.729 --> 00:14:32.135 a policy, but we may not be fully each aware of all of the work that can 00:14:32.168 --> 00:14:39.135 be leveraged to make our policy request stronger. So my question is you 00:14:39.168 --> 00:14:44.037 are in a unique position, Monica to have seen all of the projects. So you 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:50.076 may have some insight on how we can leverage the larger collective work. 00:14:50.109 --> 00:14:57.436 And also we may want to leverage work that is outside. I strongly feel 00:14:57.469 --> 00:15:02.606 that this is the first cohort of women of color research, probably ever, 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:10.639 ever, you know, done. And so it has a huge impact if we want to together 00:15:10.729 --> 00:15:16.986 create four or five policy focused things. And we may need a little extra 00:15:17.019 --> 00:15:21.606 research done or a little extra work done to actually get ourselves over 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:26.326 the hurdle of making a huge impact. So my question is that you're in that 00:15:26.359 --> 00:15:32.635 unique position. Each of us also heard uh at the summit, the presentations 00:15:32.668 --> 00:15:38.677 and my takeaway was this is strong stuff, but each of us have not just 00:15:38.710 --> 00:15:42.255 policy, we want to impact, we have our own projects to take to the next 00:15:42.288 --> 00:15:47.686 level. And so we may not get around to doing huge policy impact work. So I 00:15:47.719 --> 00:15:53.787 wanted to get your perspective on how we can leverage the collective. Yeah. 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:57.866 Can I jump in here? This is Kim um Cause I'm gonna have to log off. Um I 00:15:57.899 --> 00:16:02.366 , I haven't Alison and I haven't had an opportunity to uh inform all of 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:07.996 you of two things that are on the horizon. One is excuse my dog. One is 00:16:08.029 --> 00:16:13.246 that um we've asked Monica and she has gracefully agreed to synthesize all 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:18.269 of the policy, all the memos into an executive summary with really 00:16:18.302 --> 00:16:23.389 specific policy implications. Um And we're going to, we meaning 00:16:23.422 --> 00:16:29.000 particularly key for given the transition of the new government um are 00:16:29.033 --> 00:16:33.000 going to make sure that there's a press release around this memo. Um that 00:16:33.033 --> 00:16:37.769 does the synthesis. The other thing that uh we're doing is Alison and some 00:16:37.802 --> 00:16:42.111 of, you know, this Alison and I are work are on a National Academies of 00:16:42.144 --> 00:16:46.401 Science Engineering and Medicines Committee. Um That's looking at women of 00:16:46.434 --> 00:16:51.013 color in tech from various perspectives. And we are co-author in the 00:16:51.046 --> 00:16:56.832 report, but we're also making sure that your findings are uh included 00:16:56.865 --> 00:17:00.851 where it makes sense in that report because, you know, not for nothing, 00:17:00.884 --> 00:17:03.893 the anything that's kind of going to come out from the National Academies 00:17:03.926 --> 00:17:09.585 is going to be read for policy purposes. So we're also doing that and then 00:17:09.618 --> 00:17:13.805 I guess there's a third leg to the stool is um you'll soon be getting 00:17:13.838 --> 00:17:17.397 something like within the next couple the next couple of days, hopefully 00:17:17.430 --> 00:17:22.565 about the conference. So we are going to have a virtual women of color um 00:17:22.598 --> 00:17:26.436 uh conference, you know, so it's um a retake on what was supposed to 00:17:26.469 --> 00:17:31.926 happen in March 2020. It will be March 2021 and your participation will be 00:17:31.959 --> 00:17:36.496 critical uh for that conference, not only to disseminate your findings but 00:17:36.529 --> 00:17:41.217 also to help shape the conversation as to where do we go from here, Monica. 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:45.887 I know I cut you off, but I wanted to make sure that I interjected this 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:50.045 so I'll put myself back on mute and then say goodbye to everyone and let 00:17:50.078 --> 00:17:55.035 you take over Kimberly, Kimberly before you go. May I ask just a follow up 00:17:55.068 --> 00:17:58.776 question, 00:17:58.809 --> 00:18:05.055 Kimberly? Um There are aspects that I've noticed that I'd like to bring to 00:18:05.088 --> 00:18:10.607 your attention, working with organizations that are focused on black uh 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:15.456 issues of racial uh institutionalist. You know, like Robert Smith, I had a 00:18:15.489 --> 00:18:19.166 call with Robert Smith. You might know, uh you know, the richest black man 00:18:19.199 --> 00:18:23.166 in America and a huge philanthropist, right? They are. So they're working 00:18:23.199 --> 00:18:27.055 on black things. I talked to his chief of staff and everyone, they are not 00:18:27.088 --> 00:18:30.377 focusing on women of color. There's not a single program in their 00:18:30.410 --> 00:18:35.357 multifaceted set of programs that focuses on women of color. They focus on 00:18:35.390 --> 00:18:41.325 black in general, which I tried to convince them means that, I mean, you 00:18:41.358 --> 00:18:45.575 know, you're not focus, you're focusing on black men, not on black women. 00:18:45.608 --> 00:18:49.946 And it seemed like uh a light bulb was going on because they had never 00:18:49.979 --> 00:18:56.272 thought of that. So there are entire strong philanthropic and other organ 00:18:56.305 --> 00:19:01.450 organizations that don't even have this light buzz. So this is beyond what 00:19:01.483 --> 00:19:05.762 you just, you know, I I just wanted to bring these things up because I'm 00:19:05.795 --> 00:19:11.301 so fired up by having short conversations with impressive people. It's not 00:19:11.334 --> 00:19:17.141 policy necessarily, but it's taking a collective wisdom and bringing it to 00:19:17.174 --> 00:19:24.117 the attention of important people in order to, to siphon more focus around 00:19:24.150 --> 00:19:30.347 women of color. Is that, is that an additional item? Is th are those kinds 00:19:30.380 --> 00:19:35.785 of things? Because I really think that the body of work of our 14 or 00:19:35.818 --> 00:19:39.946 however many projects gives us a unique perspective of saying we know 00:19:39.979 --> 00:19:44.795 what's going on, listen to us. Yeah. So you said a good thing and I put it 00:19:44.828 --> 00:19:50.656 into the chat. So I won't um um you know, take too much of Monica's time. 00:19:50.689 --> 00:19:57.426 But um we, I've been meeting with a group of CEO S of foundations. Uh No 00:19:57.459 --> 00:20:02.217 , uh you know, community foundations and philanthropists um on this very 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:05.406 topic. And so I put into the chat, not just for you roti but for everyone 00:20:05.439 --> 00:20:12.545 , if you know of philanthropist that you think could benefit from, not 00:20:12.578 --> 00:20:16.516 only your research, but the information that we have in general, I would 00:20:16.549 --> 00:20:20.387 be greatly appreciative if you could do an introduction because there are 00:20:20.420 --> 00:20:27.055 a series of uh workshops that we my center is hosting um which is tapping 00:20:27.088 --> 00:20:34.206 into the uh philanthropic arm. Um and not only educating them on these 00:20:34.239 --> 00:20:38.045 topics that you've so beautifully analyzed, but also getting their 00:20:38.078 --> 00:20:41.887 participation. So you can just send me an email, just do an introduction 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:46.835 and that would be fantastic, Monica. Thank you. I think uh rai you make a 00:20:46.868 --> 00:20:53.436 good point too. Um It is important to bring thi this type of information 00:20:53.469 --> 00:20:58.097 or, or blind spots to their awareness. I think when we think about policy 00:20:58.130 --> 00:21:04.097 oftentimes we're thinking of, you know, big level uh world changing policy 00:21:04.130 --> 00:21:11.137 , but I wanna also make sure that we're focusing on um smaller policies 00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:18.305 that have big impact. So for example, if we are noticing that um there are 00:21:18.338 --> 00:21:22.656 philanthropic groups who haven't even thought about including women of 00:21:22.689 --> 00:21:30.689 color um as a, you know, potential uh arm of their giving. Um And we are 00:21:30.989 --> 00:21:34.565 able to bring research and we're able to bring, you know, ideas to the 00:21:34.598 --> 00:21:38.506 fore that would help them see why this would be something to focus on 00:21:38.539 --> 00:21:43.055 after that relationship is developed. Uh One strategy would be to say, OK 00:21:43.088 --> 00:21:47.637 , well, let's take a look at how issues become relevant in your 00:21:47.670 --> 00:21:52.847 organization. Um And if there's a way to embed looking at issues of women 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:58.766 of color in your policy, or for example, um your folks that, you know, sit 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:03.565 on review panels, how many of them are women of color um in this, you know 00:22:03.598 --> 00:22:09.045 , stem environment. And if you're trying to impact change um in this area 00:22:09.078 --> 00:22:13.246 , then it would probably be best to have women of color who work in this 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:19.065 area included on the policy panels or on the giving panels um to analyze 00:22:19.098 --> 00:22:22.825 grants that are coming in. So there are things like that, that I think 00:22:22.858 --> 00:22:27.815 would be next steps as you develop relationships as you, you know, provide 00:22:27.848 --> 00:22:33.706 some service and as you're able to, um, candidly talk about blind spots, 00:22:33.739 --> 00:22:37.805 uh, there's opportunity to not just say, ok, let's maybe help you shift 00:22:37.838 --> 00:22:42.686 your focus, but let's make sure that, that focus that you're shifting is 00:22:42.719 --> 00:22:48.166 then codified in some type of, uh, way in your organization so that these 00:22:48.199 --> 00:22:52.785 blind spots don't continue to happen. Or you're waiting for someone like 00:22:52.818 --> 00:22:56.967 us to come in and show you where you could be making a bigger impact. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.815 Instead, let's think of ways you can make that big impact upfront by 00:23:00.848 --> 00:23:06.256 making sure you're paying attention to these things. So that's, I wanted 00:23:06.289 --> 00:23:10.736 to add that. I think uh Kim already touched on uh me kind of pulling 00:23:10.769 --> 00:23:14.926 together all of the various memos that you've created and finding 00:23:14.959 --> 00:23:19.416 commonalities, maybe uh sharing with you all too where there may be some 00:23:19.449 --> 00:23:22.676 synergies and you could think about working together as you move your 00:23:22.709 --> 00:23:27.607 research forward. Um But those things are gonna come out um fairly soon in 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.887 the two page executive summary. So that will help you, Roy, I think, 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:36.325 understand um how maybe you can uh work together collaboratively with 00:23:36.358 --> 00:23:40.835 others who are working on similar issues from this collaborative. Thank 00:23:40.868 --> 00:23:45.717 you. Yeah. OK. So the next thing we'll talk about is how to position 00:23:45.750 --> 00:23:50.176 yourself and your research. So for, for you, you wanna establish your 00:23:50.209 --> 00:23:53.936 credibility I think one easy way to do this is that when you're 00:23:53.969 --> 00:24:00.835 communicating uh via email with anyone um of influence or the policymaker 00:24:00.868 --> 00:24:06.785 directly, you wanna include a one page, abbreviated CV or accomplishment 00:24:06.818 --> 00:24:12.085 document. Um That kind of details the successes that you've had relevant 00:24:12.118 --> 00:24:15.206 to the research or the policy brief that you're gonna be circulating with 00:24:15.239 --> 00:24:19.726 them. That way they don't have to kind of go through your entire CV or, 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.075 you know, look you up and try to figure out what you've been working on 00:24:23.108 --> 00:24:26.996 all these years um that should establish their credibility, your 00:24:27.029 --> 00:24:31.305 credibility. Instead, you wanna kinda give them a highlight reel. Um And 00:24:31.338 --> 00:24:35.956 you can include that in your email. The next thing you wanna do as you're 00:24:35.989 --> 00:24:41.666 developing relationships, uh having more phone calls um is to talk about 00:24:41.699 --> 00:24:47.815 your positionality. So what I mean by that is communicate why the issue is 00:24:47.848 --> 00:24:55.848 important to you, um how you came to work on this issue and why 00:24:56.088 --> 00:24:59.906 the other thing you wanna do is share your interest. So when you talk 00:24:59.939 --> 00:25:05.597 about your line of research, are there other interests that are similar to 00:25:05.630 --> 00:25:11.416 um this particular line of research that you can share? Um And if so are 00:25:11.449 --> 00:25:16.545 there current projects that you're working on? And if so, what are the 00:25:16.578 --> 00:25:20.976 goals of that project, any findings that you may have so far um and 00:25:21.009 --> 00:25:24.946 outcomes of those particular projects? And then I think it's always 00:25:24.979 --> 00:25:30.406 important to clearly articulate what your end game is. Um You wanna make 00:25:30.439 --> 00:25:34.325 sure that you keep that at the forefront of all of your efforts and 00:25:34.358 --> 00:25:39.766 interactions. Um So if there is something very clear that you want this 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:44.805 organization to do, say if you're working with a tech company, um and you 00:25:44.838 --> 00:25:51.877 want them to uh you know, change the way they evaluate resumes coming in, 00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:56.357 make sure that you communicate that upfront and that your conversations 00:25:56.390 --> 00:26:01.717 always come back to the thing that you're trying to do and why and then 00:26:01.750 --> 00:26:06.387 you also wanna position your research and so let them know what stage of 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:09.656 your research is in. And if there are any other phases that are planned 00:26:09.689 --> 00:26:15.186 for the future, um wanna communicate who your funders are. So having big 00:26:15.219 --> 00:26:19.426 name funders will often lend credibility to your work in the eyes of 00:26:19.459 --> 00:26:25.387 policymakers and having smaller name funders can also lend a l another 00:26:25.420 --> 00:26:29.696 level of credibility, which is it kind of shows that there is a solid 00:26:29.729 --> 00:26:35.097 grassroots investment in your work or that your work is meaningful um to 00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:39.996 practitioners or your work is meaningful uh to a particular community. And 00:26:40.029 --> 00:26:44.127 so it, it doesn't much matter whether or not you have large funders or 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:49.075 small funders, um credibility can be established through the lens of each 00:26:49.108 --> 00:26:53.035 of those, but you wanna communicate, who is funding your research next. 00:26:53.068 --> 00:26:56.867 You wanna talk about any findings that you have, if they're preliminary, 00:26:56.900 --> 00:27:02.535 if you're in the process of refining findings um and communicate what the 00:27:02.568 --> 00:27:07.107 implications are of those findings. Another thing is to talk about the 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:11.217 limitations of your work. Um We'll get into this quickly in another slide 00:27:11.250 --> 00:27:15.706 , but oftentimes policymakers are looking for silver bullets, they have a 00:27:15.739 --> 00:27:21.325 lot of stakeholders that they are responsible for making happy. Um And so 00:27:21.358 --> 00:27:25.585 if there are issues that come up, they're looking for quick fix solutions. 00:27:25.618 --> 00:27:31.347 And as we know, as social science researchers, um there are no silver 00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:36.897 bullets, a lot of the inequities that we talk about, um you know, have 00:27:36.930 --> 00:27:42.117 happened over many, many years or generations and they're complex and 00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:45.976 they're compounded by many things. And so we wanna make sure that we're 00:27:46.009 --> 00:27:51.906 always talking about structural changes. Um and not just something that's 00:27:51.939 --> 00:27:56.285 a quick fix because the reason why we've come into the issues that we have 00:27:56.318 --> 00:28:02.585 with inequities is because of structural issues. And so, you know, there 00:28:02.618 --> 00:28:07.506 is a tension that you'll have to navigate um between silver bullet and 00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:11.946 advocating for structural change. And then the final thing for positioning 00:28:11.979 --> 00:28:16.406 your research is to talk about whether or not any of your findings have 00:28:16.439 --> 00:28:24.439 been implemented elsewhere. And if so, what were the results? 00:28:25.598 --> 00:28:28.666 So in order to have intentional interactions, you wanna set your 00:28:28.699 --> 00:28:33.127 expectations and then create some benchmarks. 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.746 Um Whenever you're having conversations, like I said before, always keep 00:28:37.779 --> 00:28:42.016 in mind what your goals are, uh what your short term, immediate and your 00:28:42.049 --> 00:28:47.305 long term goals are. And if they are mutually beneficial, then you have a 00:28:47.338 --> 00:28:51.706 better chance of actually enacting them. So, think about, you know, you'll 00:28:51.739 --> 00:28:55.446 need to know what the interests are of the organization of the department 00:28:55.479 --> 00:29:00.456 of the college, um, of the local community. You'll need to know what their 00:29:00.489 --> 00:29:03.746 interests are and what their goals are. And if you can figure out a way to 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:09.656 make your goals align with theirs that creates the best um environment for 00:29:09.689 --> 00:29:14.976 change to actually happen next, you'll need to be clear about what you ask 00:29:15.009 --> 00:29:20.706 is. So what specifically are you asking a policy maker and or influencer 00:29:20.739 --> 00:29:27.266 to do that's in their purview? Um And also you wanna ask, um if there's 00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:31.526 something that you need, that would be a, a benefit to them. So for 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:36.847 example, if there is a particular policy that you'd like to work on within 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:44.456 uh a corporation, like, for example, you would want to um work through the 00:29:44.489 --> 00:29:49.877 ways that they're recruiting women of color from different colleges, you 00:29:49.910 --> 00:29:53.656 might need to request their data because while you may have some 00:29:53.689 --> 00:29:58.535 information about how recruitment is done and the pitfalls of recruitment 00:29:58.568 --> 00:30:03.696 as it is, and um you know, that may help to explain why they are not 00:30:03.729 --> 00:30:07.776 receiving women of color candidates at a rate that they should be or that 00:30:07.809 --> 00:30:12.835 they could be if you're able to tailor that body of research to their 00:30:12.868 --> 00:30:18.426 specific um organization, it gives it more credibility. And so you may 00:30:18.459 --> 00:30:24.647 need to ask if you can um have their data to be able to do this analysis 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:29.627 that would help you tailor recommendations specifically towards uh their 00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:33.186 needs. And if you do need to request something, you wanna make sure you 00:30:33.219 --> 00:30:39.686 explain how you're gonna use it. And then finally, you'll want to offer 00:30:39.719 --> 00:30:45.387 something. So, you know, a lot of times companies are looking for 00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:49.906 solutions. If you have solutions that are, you know, ready, they're 00:30:49.939 --> 00:30:55.176 willing to listen. Um Can you provide other resources? Can you do data 00:30:55.209 --> 00:30:59.147 analysis that would help them uh make better sense of what their problem 00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:03.276 is and then have some recommend recommendations that go along with that. 00:31:03.309 --> 00:31:07.617 So again, you're building a relationship and relationships have give and 00:31:07.650 --> 00:31:12.285 take and so you, you wanna keep in mind what it is that you're asking them 00:31:12.318 --> 00:31:18.206 to do, but also what you can offer um the organization as well and then 00:31:18.239 --> 00:31:22.206 some benchmarks for success, you know, what counts as success. Again, 00:31:22.239 --> 00:31:27.107 policy change can be a very long process. And so you want to be able to um 00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:31.506 think about what the successes are that you're having along the way that 00:31:31.539 --> 00:31:36.656 will help you sustain your interactions. Um So developing relationships, 00:31:36.689 --> 00:31:42.815 that's definitely a success. If an organization or policy maker influencer 00:31:42.848 --> 00:31:46.446 agrees to circulate your research with others of influence, you should 00:31:46.479 --> 00:31:50.016 count that as a success. If any of your recommendations have been adopted 00:31:50.049 --> 00:31:56.075 , that's you know, also great if policies have actually been changed, that 00:31:56.108 --> 00:32:00.736 that's your whole point um measuring outcome shifts. So this is something 00:32:00.769 --> 00:32:05.766 that um would happen after an adoption of your recommendation or policy 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:10.097 change. But if you can look back and see that um the thing that you were 00:32:10.130 --> 00:32:14.055 trying to impact has had measurable change over, you know, a certain 00:32:14.088 --> 00:32:18.176 amount of time that definitely counts as a success and then also 00:32:18.209 --> 00:32:26.209 developing new partnerships. Um is I think uh success. 00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:32.295 The next thing is tracking your communication, the status of your 00:32:32.328 --> 00:32:37.666 communication and outcomes. Um This is gonna be really important to, to 00:32:37.699 --> 00:32:43.756 set up before you begin. Um your process of trying to enact change within 00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:49.397 a given policy space. The reason is because you, you know, there are a lot 00:32:49.430 --> 00:32:54.347 of moving parts and this is not gonna be the only thing you're working on 00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:59.295 at a given time and so things can begin to become jumble and you want to 00:32:59.328 --> 00:33:04.357 make sure that you're very clear about who you've talked to when you've 00:33:04.390 --> 00:33:11.585 talked to them. Um You know, what the conversation evolved around and, you 00:33:11.618 --> 00:33:15.476 know, we can kinda go through here. Here's how I track whenever I'm uh 00:33:15.509 --> 00:33:20.496 doing outreach and communicating with policymakers or influencers, I 00:33:20.529 --> 00:33:26.776 always list their name, their title affiliation um of who I've contacted 00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:30.006 the date and the method of contact was this a phone call? Was this an 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.117 email? Was this through social media? The date and subsequent of any 00:33:34.150 --> 00:33:39.127 follow up or communication. So, the distinction here is that the first 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.426 item is when you've sent out a uh a communication, it doesn't necessarily 00:33:44.459 --> 00:33:48.367 mean when they've communicated with you. The third point is when you've 00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:53.107 received communication back, um going down, what was the outcome of that 00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:57.065 communication and what were your impressions? So you'll need to, um, you 00:33:57.098 --> 00:34:03.397 know, kind of use your intuition here about the impressions you had of the 00:34:03.430 --> 00:34:07.706 overall communication. Did the person seem open to what it is you were 00:34:07.739 --> 00:34:12.896 explaining or expressing? Um Is there a willingness there to further this 00:34:12.929 --> 00:34:18.557 conversation? Um Do they get back in touch with you promptly? So all of 00:34:18.590 --> 00:34:22.497 these are kind of impressions about whether or not there's an opportunity 00:34:22.530 --> 00:34:27.526 here to grow a relationship and to use your data to effect some kind of 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.595 change. The next thing is to track any action items or next steps that 00:34:32.628 --> 00:34:37.706 they've agreed to or that you've agreed to. Um You also wanna talk about 00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:43.626 and track any agreed upon goals or expectations, the outcomes of your 00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:49.345 efforts and also any challenges that you've experienced. 00:34:49.378 --> 00:34:53.577 And then once you start doing this, um you know, you don't have to be as 00:34:53.610 --> 00:34:57.287 detailed in, you know, kind of tracking these things. But when you're 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.977 first starting, I think it's really important to have very detailed notes 00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:05.736 and to keep them organized. And as you're doing this over time with 00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:10.217 multiple organizations or multiple policy players. Um you'll wanna be able 00:35:10.250 --> 00:35:14.376 to have, you know, this kind of a tracking spreadsheet for each one of 00:35:14.409 --> 00:35:19.845 those entities. Um And you may start to find some commonalities 00:35:19.878 --> 00:35:25.236 um that will help you kind of reshape your, your either your focus or your 00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:29.736 strategy moving forward. 00:35:29.769 --> 00:35:35.126 And the last thing I wanna talk about is caution uh when you're working 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:41.336 with policymakers or influencers. So the biggest thing for scholars, 00:35:41.369 --> 00:35:47.506 academics practitioners um who are kind of new to this space is to avoid 00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:52.796 being used. And sometimes, um you know, you'll end, you may end up in a 00:35:52.829 --> 00:35:57.497 position unintentionally that the policymaker may not necessarily, you 00:35:57.530 --> 00:36:01.066 know, have tried to put you in, but you'll find yourself in this position 00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:05.905 if you're not careful from the outset. So the first thing or tip I have to 00:36:05.938 --> 00:36:11.666 avoid being used is to assess openness to the data and change. So you may 00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:17.557 ask uh yourself or you may um try to find out beforehand. Is this 00:36:17.590 --> 00:36:23.307 organization open to using data? Do they use data to inform their 00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:29.115 decisions already? And are they open to using data that maybe they have 00:36:29.148 --> 00:36:36.006 not encountered before or that runs counter to um you know what, what 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:41.787 their current behavior is, you can kinda assess this. Um sometimes through 00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:46.916 documents they put out or through their social media feeds. Um You can 00:36:46.949 --> 00:36:51.217 sometimes assess this by conversations, initial conversations that you're 00:36:51.250 --> 00:36:55.256 having with folks, but this is definitely something you wanna assess and 00:36:55.289 --> 00:36:58.526 be willing to be wrong. You know, your initial impression may not always 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.856 be right, but you'll wanna make sure you capture what that initial 00:37:01.889 --> 00:37:08.506 impression is and um kinda go from there. The next thing you wanna do is 00:37:08.539 --> 00:37:14.655 identify any vast philosophical differences. So there's a couple ways to, 00:37:14.688 --> 00:37:20.787 you know, approach this. So if there are vast philosophical differences in 00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:25.135 the ways that you see the world or the problem, um and the way that this 00:37:25.168 --> 00:37:29.717 organization or specific policymaker sees the problem, the first thing you 00:37:29.750 --> 00:37:34.206 wanna ask yourself are these differences attributed to ignorance or 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:41.006 asymmetrical information. And if so, um what sharing, you know, resources 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.477 or information with one another and learning from one another help to kind 00:37:44.510 --> 00:37:49.925 of close the divide. If so that's great, you can still move forward. If 00:37:49.958 --> 00:37:54.646 not, you really have two things that you can do. The first would be to 00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:01.816 find some common ground and only work on an issue where you can agree upon. 00:38:01.849 --> 00:38:05.727 And so that may mean you have to scale back what your ultimate goal may 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:11.307 have been. Um But it doesn't mean that you can't find some interest on 00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:15.635 some particular issue to move the needle on. The second thing you can do 00:38:15.668 --> 00:38:20.477 is just abandon ship all together and find another organization or another 00:38:20.510 --> 00:38:27.477 policy maker whose uh ideas around um the issues are more aligned with 00:38:27.510 --> 00:38:33.135 yours. And in that way, there's more momentum and more willingness, um to 00:38:33.168 --> 00:38:38.236 kind of work together. And the process may be easier in terms of actually 00:38:38.269 --> 00:38:43.816 uh working together, gaining traction and making change. Um Just because 00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:46.856 you have vast philosophical differences, doesn't mean that you shouldn't 00:38:46.889 --> 00:38:51.276 work together, but it will mean that you may not agree upon some very 00:38:51.309 --> 00:38:55.845 fundamental aspects of how you're defining a problem or what you see as 00:38:55.878 --> 00:38:59.497 solutions. And so you'll need to just prepare yourself for that. And if 00:38:59.530 --> 00:39:05.925 you're willing and able to engage, um it's important to find commonality 00:39:05.958 --> 00:39:09.916 and really stick to that common ground and move the needle as much as you 00:39:09.949 --> 00:39:16.276 can on that specific area. Um The third thing is to not, you know, being 00:39:16.309 --> 00:39:20.577 used is to explain the limits of your research and to avoid overreach this 00:39:20.610 --> 00:39:25.666 again, kinda goes back to the silver bullet analogy that I gave. Um it's 00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:29.247 your responsibility once you kind of step into this policy space to 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:33.896 navigate the tension between finding a silver bullet and taking a, you 00:39:33.929 --> 00:39:39.506 know, a more systemic approach to change, um you wanna focus on what your 00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:44.756 research shows and its implications. So, uh there may be questions that 00:39:44.789 --> 00:39:49.675 you can't answer. Um So make sure you're oriented conversation around what 00:39:49.708 --> 00:39:53.807 your research does allow you to answer and any implications that it may 00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:01.840 have for the particular organization or department um or community. And um 00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:07.287 you wanna make sure that you're very clear about that because the other 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.307 thing you don't want to do is to allow your research to be used in ways 00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:16.517 that you didn't intend. It's really hard for you to kinda reshape a 00:40:16.550 --> 00:40:22.135 narrative once that narrative has moved beyond your control, um don't 00:40:22.168 --> 00:40:25.977 promise more than you can deliver. So, 00:40:26.010 --> 00:40:30.796 you know, companies, organizations, departments, they're really quick to, 00:40:30.829 --> 00:40:38.385 you know, get free qualified um help. And each one of you are more than 00:40:38.418 --> 00:40:43.336 qualified to assist organizations or departments or communities to think 00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:47.345 through these issues and to move the needle, it's a very important um 00:40:47.378 --> 00:40:55.378 policy uh levers. And so make sure that your goals are at the forefront of 00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:02.356 your communication and that you are able to uh come through on the things 00:41:02.389 --> 00:41:06.106 that you say you're able to deliver. Because if you don't, you risk 00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:09.986 ruining a relationship, you risk ruining your opportunity to really 00:41:10.019 --> 00:41:14.646 advance change. Um And if you do, you definitely don't want them to 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.885 continue to ask you for more and more and more without being compensated 00:41:18.918 --> 00:41:24.816 because that can, you know, uh move your relationship into a space where 00:41:24.849 --> 00:41:29.356 now you're feeling resentful. Um And like I said, it may not even be 00:41:29.389 --> 00:41:36.146 deliberate on the policy makers um part, but it can still happen like that. 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:39.756 And so you just wanna avoid being exploited, the relationship, being 00:41:39.789 --> 00:41:43.467 exploited because you do have so much to share or you do have so many 00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:48.477 resources to bring um to looking at these issues and offering solutions. 00:41:48.510 --> 00:41:52.747 Um You wanna ask good questions um that can help you understand the 00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:57.706 organizational culture, um ask good questions that can help you um think 00:41:57.739 --> 00:42:01.106 through the recommendations that you would provide for a particular 00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:05.537 organization and how they should, you know, change um a particular 00:42:05.570 --> 00:42:10.796 practices or policies. Uh And then finally, um make sure you're 00:42:10.829 --> 00:42:15.247 maintaining your independence. You don't work for a policy maker, you 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.546 don't work for a particular company. And while you may have shared 00:42:18.579 --> 00:42:22.356 interests and shared goals, it's important not to take on their problems 00:42:22.389 --> 00:42:27.675 as your own. So be very careful with the language that you have uh or that 00:42:27.708 --> 00:42:32.296 you communicate, you know, either verbally or written, you know, you don't 00:42:32.329 --> 00:42:37.626 say our organization or our company that you're not a part of it, make 00:42:37.659 --> 00:42:43.106 sure you are always maintaining that very clear line of independence, make 00:42:43.139 --> 00:42:48.356 sure that you always retain um the rights to your research and that your 00:42:48.389 --> 00:42:55.796 voice is clear. Um And that you're not, you know, afraid to use it when 00:42:55.829 --> 00:43:00.986 you need to kind of push back or be um you know, more clear about the 00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:05.977 direction that you want your work to be moved into. 00:43:06.010 --> 00:43:14.010 So those are kind of the quick overarching um tips I think I wanna share 00:43:15.050 --> 00:43:19.256 with you on how to interact with policymakers, how to develop 00:43:19.289 --> 00:43:26.526 relationships, um how to position yourself in your research, how to um 00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:31.606 think through what your ultimate goals are. Um how to align your interest 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.595 with those who have the ability to enact change. And then the companion 00:43:36.628 --> 00:43:44.628 guy that I have kind of goes into more detail on each one of these parts. 00:43:54.369 --> 00:43:59.517 So Alexis, do you wanna open the line for anyone to ask questions or for 00:43:59.550 --> 00:44:04.206 me to clarify any points or if you have specific questions about your own 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:09.967 policy briefs right now, I'd be happy to answer those. 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.115 Perfect, everybody has the ability to unmute themselves. Um So if you do 00:44:14.148 --> 00:44:21.376 have a question, go ahead. 00:44:21.409 --> 00:44:29.409 Um So at Turk, we have a communications department. Mhm So 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.287 um 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:41.916 I was thinking that sharing with them the policy brief would be the first 00:44:41.949 --> 00:44:47.836 step. Sure. Um 00:44:47.869 --> 00:44:53.896 uh What I, what I'm wondering, I guess is um if there are things that we 00:44:53.929 --> 00:44:58.747 can ask them to do that would be particularly 00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:02.686 helpful with this because what they do is, you know, like the, what a 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:10.719 regular communications department does. Mhm Yeah. So I think it would be 00:45:11.349 --> 00:45:16.365 wise to use the resources that you have. Um you, I think you mentioned, 00:45:16.398 --> 00:45:20.287 you know, first starting sharing your policy brief with them so that 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:27.217 they're clear about um your work and then you could ask them to start um 00:45:27.250 --> 00:45:32.445 you know, reaching out to some of these policymakers on your behalf. So 00:45:32.478 --> 00:45:36.057 for example, we talked about who do you have in your network or do you 00:45:36.090 --> 00:45:39.606 need an out of network strategy? This is something you could talk about 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.267 with your communications team and it'd be fine if they were to send, you 00:45:43.300 --> 00:45:47.666 know, emails out on your behalf so that you're not having to do that work. 00:45:47.699 --> 00:45:51.816 Um, it'd be fine for them to, you know, intercept phone calls and set up 00:45:51.849 --> 00:45:57.217 appointments for you. Uh, but ultimately, when, when you are kind of doing 00:45:57.250 --> 00:46:03.626 this work, people of influence or in the space to actually, um, take your 00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:08.827 research and move into a place where it has traction with folks who can um 00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:13.537 begin to change some things. They wanna talk to the actual researcher or 00:46:13.570 --> 00:46:17.186 to the authors of the policy brief, they don't wanna, you know, 00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:21.767 necessarily collaborate with folks who aren't um on the same level of 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.787 being able to kind of talk through the research or talk through how your 00:46:25.820 --> 00:46:31.836 work may further, you know, their um agenda. So you wanna make sure that, 00:46:31.869 --> 00:46:35.561 you know, kind of the meat and potatoes of the interaction that you, you 00:46:35.594 --> 00:46:39.892 and your team are having. Um the communications support that you have can 00:46:39.925 --> 00:46:43.791 , you know, work with you to kind of take some things off your plate in 00:46:43.824 --> 00:46:47.811 terms of like the tracking sheet. For example, they may be the, you know, 00:46:47.844 --> 00:46:50.861 owners of the tracking sheet. They may, may be the ones who initially 00:46:50.894 --> 00:46:58.026 circulate the brief widely or can develop a um uh 00:46:58.059 --> 00:47:04.816 uh oh gosh, my mind just went blank. I um uh media, a media post for you. 00:47:04.849 --> 00:47:08.106 Um Something like that, uh your communications team would be really 00:47:08.139 --> 00:47:12.206 helpful there. But when it comes down to actually working together, you 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:18.175 wanna be the one building, the relationships with the influencers. 00:47:18.208 --> 00:47:26.208 Thank you. Yeah. 00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:35.340 Any other questions so far? 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:41.956 All right. Well, again, thank you all for joining us today. Um For those 00:47:41.989 --> 00:47:45.916 whose policy briefs are finalized, we'll make sure that you get the final 00:47:45.949 --> 00:47:50.916 version of them and you can begin to circulate them. Um Look forward to 00:47:50.949 --> 00:47:55.405 the executive summary that I'll be constructing that kinda ties all the 00:47:55.438 --> 00:48:02.135 policy memos together. Um If you still need to provide feedback or 00:48:02.168 --> 00:48:07.517 additional items to complete your policy brief or your policy memo, please 00:48:07.550 --> 00:48:11.796 give that to me as soon as possible. Um I'll be turning off of this 00:48:11.829 --> 00:48:17.126 project, um you know, at probably by the end of December and starting 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:23.376 maternity leave in January. So I wanna make sure that, um you know, I have 00:48:23.409 --> 00:48:29.577 completed the work, uh you know, before us. So the sooner you can do that 00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:33.247 , the better it would be. 00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:38.936 Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:48:38.969 --> 00:48:45.066 I've got uh one baby boy turning one at the end of this month and another 00:48:45.099 --> 00:48:51.537 baby boy coming in January. Oh, yeah, a lot to look forward to Monica and 00:48:51.570 --> 00:48:55.595 thank you for all the work you're doing for us. Oh, you're welcome. It's 00:48:55.628 --> 00:49:00.017 been a joy. Really. It has, it's been really good. R I think you made a 00:49:00.050 --> 00:49:04.336 great point earlier. Just to see so many women of color um coming together 00:49:04.369 --> 00:49:09.816 working collaboratively. Um And then, you know, from here us figuring out 00:49:09.849 --> 00:49:14.166 how to make sure that we can um get some synergy around all the great 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.166 things that are going on. Yeah, I'm going to write a note to Kim Scott 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:26.186 about this. I'll copy you. But my sense is that we are not aware, all of 00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:30.865 us who are working on our projects have tremendous insights, tremendous 00:49:30.898 --> 00:49:34.956 insights that are not really related exactly to the results that we are 00:49:34.989 --> 00:49:42.486 producing, but are much broader. And the formats that we had to share. The 00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:46.717 policy thing is very focused on policy. And then we had the 10 minute 00:49:46.750 --> 00:49:51.787 presentations which were also very focused on the project and what you 00:49:51.820 --> 00:49:56.845 know, we could do in 10 minutes in the summit. So there has been no place 00:49:56.878 --> 00:50:02.706 to, to share our deep beliefs and insights which could be useful to us all. 00:50:02.739 --> 00:50:08.517 But it could also be useful to Nason, useful to Kim, useful to Alison. 00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:12.836 But we've not had that opportunity because there was, you know, maybe 00:50:12.869 --> 00:50:16.037 because of the pandemic and we never had a chance to get together and 00:50:16.070 --> 00:50:21.175 wallow in our collective insights a year and a half of this work. And I 00:50:21.208 --> 00:50:27.227 believe I've worked in tech companies for 39 years and I can tell you that 00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:33.686 this level of deep insight is missing in the industry. It's missing, it's 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:38.967 missing it may not be research that's proven by one of our projects, but 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.086 it's deep insights that could be useful to the industry and useful to 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:47.736 educational institutions. And it's not policy necessarily and it's not a 00:50:47.769 --> 00:50:53.977 research finding, you know, it's, it's different, but it's equally useful 00:50:54.010 --> 00:50:59.666 and that is not being leveraged. So your executive summary memo will only 00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:04.747 be an executive summary of the policy aspects, not of all the other stuff 00:51:04.780 --> 00:51:09.986 that we have learned, right? So how is King going to get that insight? And 00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:14.046 so that I, I'm still left with an open question in my mind. I think that 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:18.717 uh rai I think that it's going to be part of the way the collaborative 00:51:18.750 --> 00:51:23.155 continues to work together and that there's a shared space for everyone to 00:51:23.188 --> 00:51:29.026 come together um virtually, but also through the conference happening in 00:51:29.059 --> 00:51:34.396 March. So that's, that's late, that's in 2021. I mean, this stuff is 00:51:34.429 --> 00:51:38.227 needed. Now these companies, I mean, I'm in touch with them, they are 00:51:38.260 --> 00:51:46.260 setting up racial equality um Organizations, fellows, action plans, 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:52.336 they're moving and if you're not in at the ground floor, you're not in, 00:51:52.369 --> 00:51:55.276 you know, because they don't have a woman of color focus and they don't 00:51:55.309 --> 00:52:00.017 have other focuses that we could tell them through our collective insights. 00:52:00.050 --> 00:52:06.175 So I'm, I'm a little bit impatient with that. Uh with the, with the speed 00:52:06.208 --> 00:52:12.776 is what I'm saying because we are very researchy, you know. So yeah, but 00:52:12.809 --> 00:52:17.595 the work is done, the projects are done. So the insights are in the air, 00:52:17.628 --> 00:52:22.666 they are just not being brought to the right people at the right time. I'm 00:52:22.699 --> 00:52:26.885 impatient is what I'm saying. That's not a criticism of what's going on. 00:52:26.918 --> 00:52:33.006 It's more an opportunity that I feel we can be leveraging more. So, so I 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:38.756 will, I will maybe write to Kim and I will also, you know, in include a 00:52:38.789 --> 00:52:44.876 few of the folks who are on the have done the projects in similar spaces 00:52:44.909 --> 00:52:49.695 because I do believe that the I could show an existence proof of how three 00:52:49.728 --> 00:52:53.206 of us talked and we came up with an insight that never would have emerged 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.307 through the current process essentially. You know what I mean? Yeah, I 00:52:57.340 --> 00:53:01.717 think that's a great idea, but I really, I really um thank you for 00:53:01.750 --> 00:53:07.026 humoring me, but I really do believe in what I'm saying. Oh, I know. I, I 00:53:07.059 --> 00:53:11.217 , 00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:16.227 yeah, good. OK. Anyone else I think we've got about two minutes left on 00:53:16.260 --> 00:53:21.526 this line. I know Alex has had to go. If not, um this recording is gonna 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:27.885 be available, we'll send out um the completed policy memos as well as this 00:53:27.918 --> 00:53:32.037 powerpoint, the companion guy uh in the previous powerpoint, I had about 00:53:32.070 --> 00:53:37.066 crafting a policy memo. Um so that everyone has access to all of these 00:53:37.099 --> 00:53:40.396 resources 00:53:40.429 --> 00:53:44.247 and if there's nothing else, then just stay tuned via email for um 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:48.467 announcements from Kim and Allison about next steps and opportunities. Um 00:53:48.500 --> 00:53:54.006 and also about um some of the uh planning for the conference that will be 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:59.666 happening in March. Thank you so much Monica and good luck with everything. 00:53:59.699 --> 00:54:06.356 Thank you guys, talk to you virtually soon. I'm sure. Thank you. Bye bye 00:54:06.389 --> 00:54:08.389 bye.