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I can remember when we were really trying to concentrate on

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underrepresented populations and as I
recall

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you're years there, the increase was
really substantial and

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underrepresented students. Do you
recall any of that was really important

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to me? I don't know if you recall
this, but so along with, you know,

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working issue issue for so long and
being an undergraduate

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since I was working there and I love
school, I went and got a master's

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degree and PhD and my dissertation was
really looking at access um to hire

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at for underrepresented populations.
So that's always been kind of a

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passion of mine. And so yes, we really
developed a lot of pre college

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programs. We actually had a unit in
our office that was really dedicated

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to that, to really address that and
try and identify and recruit the very

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top underrepresented students and also
provide access to any qualified

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underrepresented students and provide
the support that was needed. So that

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was again, a very, very big priority
for us in terms of the more different

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and better in terms of the top
academic students getting them. As I recall

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that the merit scholar program really
increased during that period of time.

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Also, I'm sure, and that was that was
not really me. I mean it was I was

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certainly part of it, but it was a
really university wide effort and I

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think the beginning of the honors
college had a dramatic impact on that

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when we were able to get it named by
um craig and Barbara Barrett that was

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a big help for us and recruitment and
really it was I think um both this

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was during the course um presidency
and milk click as provost. They both

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were just extremely supportive of that
as well and we were, we really were

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second fiddle to to you of a um when I
during most of my career and I

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really just feel like it was towards
the end that we started to make an

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impact and I just, I still receive all
my issue emails and whatever to and

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I just read again and notice about how
many Flinn scholars we've gotten

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and I tell you I just was beaming
because when we started we'd get a

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handful of the 20 a handful and now
we're getting almost all of them. So

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I'm so happy was it Ted Humphrey that
started the honors comments at that

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time and I worked very closely with
Ted. Yeah. Yeah because that was

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really a large bonus for the
university and brought in a lot of top

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students. What a thing to have on your
resume that you attended the honors

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college there and and I think it has
an I know it has a national

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reputation so um Rutgers has honors
colleges and we're just building this

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new honors dorm and honors residents.
Um it's which is beautiful and they

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just published something that was
talking about the um increase in S. A. T.

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Scores at Rutgers for the honor
students and they had a group of about

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six other honors college is that they
used for comparison, and Arizona

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state was in that group of sex and
that made me very proud.