WEBVTT 00:00:08.740 --> 00:00:10.740 Alrighty, thanks Paul for that gracious introduction. Um I want to tell 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:20.067 you about a collaboration of three institutions and the work of 17 people 00:00:20.100 --> 00:00:24.456 over a period of about a year uh in the construction of the 100 years of 00:00:24.489 --> 00:00:29.787 grand digital archive. And it's been my pleasure to work with such 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:36.137 talented people and to work with Some amazing materials. The 100 years of 00:00:36.170 --> 00:00:41.467 grand collaboration is the work of the Arizona State University Library, 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:46.936 the Cline Library at Northern Arizona University and the Grand Canyon 00:00:46.969 --> 00:00:54.969 National Park Museum. And ultimately, this project goes back to The spring 00:00:55.240 --> 00:01:03.240 of 2016 when um history librarian Ed ending. And I got together in my 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:08.757 office one day and he um he and I have had over 50 years of experience 00:01:08.790 --> 00:01:14.147 working in our greater Arizona collection. And we were ed asked me, you 00:01:14.180 --> 00:01:18.417 know, is there some way that we can honor the career of the great Senator 00:01:18.450 --> 00:01:24.126 Carl Hayden from Arizona and his role in the founding of the Grand Canyon 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:30.757 National Park In 1919. And and we realized at that time that, Wow, you 00:01:30.790 --> 00:01:34.227 know, three years away, we've got a centennial coming up. What a great 00:01:34.260 --> 00:01:40.096 opportunity to do that work of honoring the Senator and his role in the 00:01:40.129 --> 00:01:45.607 founding of the national Park. And so uh we thought about who appropriate 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:50.417 partners would be in uh immediately identified Pete Runge who spoke 00:01:50.450 --> 00:01:54.977 yesterday from the special collections at the Northern Arizona University 00:01:55.010 --> 00:01:59.706 client library. And uh so we we called up Peter, we had a nice meeting 00:01:59.739 --> 00:02:04.176 with him and we we talked to him and we realized, you know, the stars of 00:02:04.209 --> 00:02:10.147 the show here are the staff and the facilities of the Grand Canyon 00:02:10.180 --> 00:02:16.117 National Park. And so we asked Peter, have you got any working 00:02:16.150 --> 00:02:21.077 relationships with staff from the National Park? And Peter uh, identified 00:02:21.110 --> 00:02:26.967 kimba is um from the Grand Canyon National Park Museum Uh as an 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:32.087 appropriate collaborator. And so we're often running uh and writing the 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:36.707 grant in the spring of 2017 00:02:36.740 --> 00:02:42.136 In the early spring of 2017. And so just to tell you a little bit about 00:02:42.169 --> 00:02:47.087 what's involved in a project like this, we new ed and I knew that there 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.797 are wonderful pockets of historical materials that were available in the 00:02:50.830 --> 00:02:56.307 uh Senator Hayden's papers and a number of other collections at the 00:02:56.340 --> 00:03:00.047 greater Arizona collection here at the issue library. And Peter, having 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:05.207 long experience with his materials also could identify important things. 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:13.240 Um and so we began to do some searching in our systems to identify the 00:03:13.669 --> 00:03:17.617 pockets of stuff that we thought might be appropriate. Um and so we 00:03:17.650 --> 00:03:21.807 started by looking at Arizona archives online. How many of you have looked 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:27.077 at Arizona archives online? We have a few hands, this is the collaborative 00:03:27.110 --> 00:03:31.987 database where the archivists of Arizona post Finding AIDS to the archival 00:03:32.020 --> 00:03:36.886 collections across the state. And if you've worked with finding AIDS and 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.707 archival collections, you know that these are typically bulk level 00:03:39.740 --> 00:03:44.737 descriptions. Uh You're fortunate if you can get down to the folder level 00:03:44.770 --> 00:03:49.656 in archival description given the thousands of linear feet of material 00:03:49.689 --> 00:03:54.467 that we have. Um And so we're trying to find the right corner of the 00:03:54.500 --> 00:03:59.457 haystack to look in these collections and identify specific items that 00:03:59.490 --> 00:04:06.587 were that were exciting like that one. Um So ultimately, uh we put 00:04:06.620 --> 00:04:12.027 together this collaboration put together a grant proposal um to our state 00:04:12.060 --> 00:04:17.937 library for Library Library Services and Technology Act funds. And so this 00:04:17.970 --> 00:04:23.356 project is ultimately funded by the U. S. Department of Education uh and 00:04:23.389 --> 00:04:27.147 through the Institute of Museum and Library Services. And those monies are 00:04:27.180 --> 00:04:32.937 distributed to worthy proposals across Arizona by your Arizona State 00:04:32.970 --> 00:04:40.970 Library. Um What we envision it really was a project where there were 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:47.637 several uh loki of activity. We we had the advantage here at A. S. U. Of 00:04:47.670 --> 00:04:52.197 having a robust and useful digital repository. The A. S. U. Digital 00:04:52.230 --> 00:04:57.317 repository. Uh And in fact N. Au for many years they have been working to 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:01.286 build the Colorado Plateau digital repository. So we had technical 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:06.147 expertise and we had a platform or places to put these materials so they 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:08.707 could be made accessible. 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:15.377 Um We uh we also envision including the Grand Canyon National Park and N. 00:05:15.410 --> 00:05:20.587 A. You step forward to work with kim be some to select and digitized 00:05:20.620 --> 00:05:24.577 materials from the Grand Canyon National Park. So in that part of the 00:05:24.610 --> 00:05:28.707 model, in fact materials were literally picked up at the Grand Canyon and 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:33.676 driven to Flagstaff for digitization and the museum staff provided us with 00:05:33.709 --> 00:05:37.226 a contextual information or the metadata that helped us understand and 00:05:37.259 --> 00:05:42.106 make sense of the materials that they contributed. 00:05:42.139 --> 00:05:48.656 Um In our model at A. S. U. We uh we chose to outsource the digitization 00:05:48.689 --> 00:05:53.147 which had its very some very interesting implications for workflow. And 00:05:53.180 --> 00:05:57.546 ultimately history librarian at Eddings spent much of the first four or 00:05:57.579 --> 00:06:02.806 five months in the work of selecting the material from these collections. 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.866 And then I would go in and package those things up and keep track of 00:06:05.899 --> 00:06:10.176 where they came from. So we could put them back um and then shipping them 00:06:10.209 --> 00:06:15.757 up to our vendor in Salt Lake City for actual digitization 00:06:15.790 --> 00:06:21.207 You'll find when you enter the 100 years of grand project. And I want to 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:29.240 point out that all you need to do Is Google 100 years of grand and linked 00:06:29.490 --> 00:06:32.647 to this project comes right up at the top of that, you can do that on your 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:38.856 phone. Although the repository isn't necessarily optimized for mobile 00:06:38.889 --> 00:06:42.496 display, you can actually see some pretty cool things right through your 00:06:42.529 --> 00:06:45.207 phone. 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:52.007 Um So ultimately we have this distributed model for digital library work 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.507 and I want to get to 00:06:55.540 --> 00:07:01.467 Yeah, here we go. This is what the homepage for the digital library looks 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:05.767 like. So what you have ultimately is a website that points to two 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.147 different digital repositories. The N. Au repository and the A. S. U. 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:15.846 Repository. And the N. Au repository also includes the materials that 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.717 were digitized from the Grand Canyon National Park collections. So 00:07:20.750 --> 00:07:24.697 scrolling down a little bit on this website, uh you can see that in the 00:07:24.730 --> 00:07:29.246 case of a s you were able to make some prepackaged customized search 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.277 results by format. So you can actually select photographs or 00:07:33.310 --> 00:07:38.976 correspondence or ephemera to look through these materials. In the case of 00:07:39.009 --> 00:07:43.116 N. A. U. They were able to segregate their materials by the N AU materials 00:07:43.149 --> 00:07:50.267 and the Grand Canyon National Park materials. Mhm. When you search in the 00:07:50.300 --> 00:07:56.087 repository, this is a search results display and ultimately this isn't a 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:02.017 sus collection, add some slides for from a sus work here. So you see 00:08:02.050 --> 00:08:07.317 titles for individual items and usually an abstract or description the 00:08:07.350 --> 00:08:12.416 contributors or authors and the date of creation Um copyright played a big 00:08:12.449 --> 00:08:19.627 role uh in the selection of materials here. We chose to focus historically 00:08:19.660 --> 00:08:22.736 on the period 1892, 00:08:22.769 --> 00:08:26.767 partly because we knew we had a large amount of material that we could 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:34.496 digitize from that period. And also because we knew that we had 1924 and 00:08:34.529 --> 00:08:39.207 earlier, much of these materials had fallen into the public domain. And so 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:44.866 we had the ability to digitize and make things accessible. When you look 00:08:44.899 --> 00:08:49.876 at the item level description, this is a single description of particular 00:08:49.909 --> 00:08:54.837 item. You can see the richness of the metadata that was produced by our 00:08:54.870 --> 00:09:01.557 metadata, librarian Carolyn thomas um because we had Collections that had 00:09:01.590 --> 00:09:06.907 been professionally curated for 30 or 40 years. We've been building legacy 00:09:06.940 --> 00:09:11.486 data and descriptions all of that time working with these collections. So 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.496 there were certain descriptions that we're able to existing descriptions 00:09:15.529 --> 00:09:20.407 that we're able to leverage from finding AIDS or earlier efforts at item 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.707 level description in the archives. There are other descriptions we had to 00:09:24.740 --> 00:09:30.346 build from scratch. And so what you find in the overall project is over 00:09:30.379 --> 00:09:37.096 700 items that have been selected, described and digitized and loaded and 00:09:37.129 --> 00:09:44.937 made accessible to many people. This work is very detail oriented and um 00:09:44.970 --> 00:09:49.116 you'll you'll see that we've applied standardized subject headings within 00:09:49.149 --> 00:09:54.846 that description that enable us to pull together like materials. Um you'll 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:02.879 also see uh series references to um topical groupings that had devised to 00:10:03.629 --> 00:10:07.797 organize these materials in some different ways. So we had these series 00:10:07.830 --> 00:10:12.096 like free enterprise That were set up to represent different chronological 00:10:12.129 --> 00:10:17.726 periods within the 1890s and 1940 period. The other thing to notice on 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:23.327 this is that on the right underneath the call number for the file, the 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:28.616 actual file name. Um you'll see a link called download and downloads. Very 00:10:28.649 --> 00:10:34.067 exciting. Um This means we get to give away stuff. So one of the 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:38.427 challenges with a project like this is trying to manage the risks of 00:10:38.460 --> 00:10:44.167 copyright and looking at these collections. We had some materials that 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.886 were in the public domain by virtue of age. We had some materials that 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:52.106 were in the public domain by virtue of being government documents. We had 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:55.817 other materials that have been donated to the repositories with deeds of 00:10:55.850 --> 00:11:02.386 gift that actually represented a legal transfer of copyright to a S. U. Or 00:11:02.419 --> 00:11:08.606 to N A U. And then we have these wonderful things known as orphan works 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.417 and some chocolate. How many people have experienced or encountered orphan 00:11:12.450 --> 00:11:18.947 works in their travels. In just a few. So, orphan works are lovely things 00:11:18.980 --> 00:11:26.337 that are pieces of information where copyright is still active, but we 00:11:26.370 --> 00:11:33.496 either don't know who owns it or we can't find contact information who 00:11:33.529 --> 00:11:38.447 owns that piece of information. This creates some real challenges for us 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.596 when we're when we're really trying to put things online and give them 00:11:41.629 --> 00:11:47.006 away. And so what you'll find is that there are many things in the, in 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:53.366 these collections where we have the download link lit up and we've done 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:56.976 copyright research on this. We believe it's either in the public domain or 00:11:57.009 --> 00:12:00.976 we own sufficient rights to give the material away. And you can actually 00:12:01.009 --> 00:12:06.177 download and reuse publication or high quality photography or ephemera uh 00:12:06.210 --> 00:12:10.537 , from these collections. And we wouldn't even not even know that you were 00:12:10.570 --> 00:12:15.947 there. Um, and so you can directly download really great stuff from this 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:21.207 site. You'll see some other places where the download link is blocked. And 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:25.537 this is an interesting challenge for us because here's a place where 00:12:25.570 --> 00:12:32.467 copyright was still active and in some circumstances uh that we can employ 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:39.807 a fair use harbor to make such materials available to the S. U. Community. 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.157 Um So if you are an A. S. U. Person and you log in to the repository, 00:12:46.190 --> 00:12:51.346 additional materials become available for download. Um but this is about 00:12:51.379 --> 00:12:56.957 managing risk ultimately. So you will also find things, especially things 00:12:56.990 --> 00:13:02.726 published after 1920, for where we've presented the description, we 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:09.346 presented a pdf of the material, for example, um and download is not 00:13:09.379 --> 00:13:15.606 permitted and uh one of the sort of fun things about this is um over time 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:21.707 as things get older, more things fall into the public domain. So one of 00:13:21.740 --> 00:13:25.996 the challenges is actually figuring out how to track when things fall into 00:13:26.029 --> 00:13:30.197 the public domain and to open those things up for download and reuse over 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:33.707 time. 00:13:33.740 --> 00:13:39.136 Now, now we get to the mapping part um and I'm greatly indebted to matt 00:13:39.169 --> 00:13:44.486 toro uh and to Caroline thomas the metadata librarian for their efforts in 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:50.146 this part. Uh This is the first page of a really wonderful es ri story map 00:13:50.179 --> 00:13:54.766 that matt and his crew put together for us the very latest stages of the 00:13:54.799 --> 00:14:01.707 project. We were the last month of this. It was crazy Uh in July of 2018. 00:14:01.740 --> 00:14:06.307 And you know, before I get in there, I want to make the point that we 00:14:06.340 --> 00:14:13.606 wanted this project To be completed by July 2018. Um one of the selling 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:17.467 points for this project as far as being a grant proposal was, we wanted to 00:14:17.500 --> 00:14:21.207 demonstrate that we could make the material available well before the 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.307 centennial 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:30.506 which was last week. Um so that tourism businesses, the park uh interested 00:14:30.539 --> 00:14:35.506 tourists could actually download and use these things in time for the 00:14:35.539 --> 00:14:40.837 centennial. And we received the support of the Arizona Office of Tourism, 00:14:40.870 --> 00:14:45.587 the Tourism Office and Flagstaff and other places because we intentionally 00:14:45.620 --> 00:14:51.927 wanted to give away materials so they could be used in a timely manner. So 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:57.927 going back to the story map um we've got some really great representations 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:02.657 of material through database in these repositories. But what's missing is 00:15:02.690 --> 00:15:10.496 really a visual navigation of the material. And so in the story map um we 00:15:10.529 --> 00:15:16.746 spent quite a bit of time Plotting coordinates for individual pieces that 00:15:16.779 --> 00:15:22.297 are in the digital archive. And there are over 200 items that we were able 00:15:22.330 --> 00:15:27.126 to plot where we were able to identify a place name and convert and 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:32.047 identify the coordinates associated with it. So that item could be located 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:37.167 in this lovely story map. So looking at this, it's presented here as a 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:42.996 heat map. And so the areas that you see with a very large red areas are 00:15:43.029 --> 00:15:47.207 places where there are multiple items and as you would expect, you see 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.626 quite a few of those things are located at the south rim visitor center 00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:58.016 and along the south rim you can expand the map and actually get some space 00:15:58.049 --> 00:16:02.797 between the various points on the heat map. If you click on a point in the 00:16:02.830 --> 00:16:07.636 heat map, it brings up a lovely box uh that gives you summary information 00:16:07.669 --> 00:16:11.976 about the item you have selected, but more importantly it gives you a link 00:16:12.009 --> 00:16:17.057 to the repository version of that item where you can download the high 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:22.606 quality version of it. 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:28.776 Um along the way, starting in January of 2018, we started doing weekly 00:16:28.809 --> 00:16:34.766 Facebook posts regarding the 100 years of grand project. Um and we had 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.907 some sort of surprising things that came out of that. One of the um we 00:16:39.940 --> 00:16:44.756 were trading posts, s you would would post one week and you would post the 00:16:44.789 --> 00:16:48.976 next every third or fourth or fifth week and then you would post an image 00:16:49.009 --> 00:16:53.626 from the Grand Canyon National Park Museum collections. And so there were 00:16:53.659 --> 00:16:59.726 some surprising things. The photo of the Navajo bridge on the left was one 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.856 of the earliest posts in the project and um Hard to tell from the 00:17:03.889 --> 00:17:11.796 screenshot but you can uh that photo generated over 60,000 likes. Um and 00:17:11.829 --> 00:17:17.187 uh we had some other materials that there's another photograph of a mule 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:23.556 uh coming out of the cave and about to enter the Kaibab suspension bridge 00:17:23.589 --> 00:17:30.347 that uh generated 46,000 likes and some some incredible number. Um and in 00:17:30.380 --> 00:17:34.647 fact the mule handlers facebook page came in and shared that and we got 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:39.046 quite a bit of boost out of that. So, you know, watching, watching this 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:44.736 happen and then trying to chase down the shares and see who was reaching 00:17:44.769 --> 00:17:50.236 this stuff was an interesting part of the project. Um We had an enormous 00:17:50.269 --> 00:17:55.996 numbers of hits for certain photographs. Another factor was when the Grand 00:17:56.029 --> 00:18:02.306 Canyon National Park shared our facebook posts, our results increased 00:18:02.339 --> 00:18:06.387 astronomically. Uh there was a huge difference when when the library's 00:18:06.420 --> 00:18:10.387 would post, you might get a couple 1000 hits when the Grand Canyon 00:18:10.420 --> 00:18:14.796 National Park came along, we would get national exposure and just enormous 00:18:14.829 --> 00:18:19.756 numbers of hits. There were, there was also tweeting going on on a regular 00:18:19.789 --> 00:18:24.657 basis throughout the project. Um I don't have really good stats for the 00:18:24.690 --> 00:18:28.536 impact of the tweeting but ultimately we we spent a fair amount of time 00:18:28.569 --> 00:18:35.207 working on getting this information out where people could use it. 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:40.296 Um Just a few more fun things from the collections. Um you'll see some 00:18:40.329 --> 00:18:46.947 very cool ephemera items um from this one, from the fred harvey collection 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:52.607 and ultimately from the greater Arizona collection here at ASU 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:58.576 um lovely photograph and in the diary page, Illustrated diary page from 00:18:58.609 --> 00:19:03.236 the Carnegie caltech expedition. Uh this material from the client library 00:19:03.269 --> 00:19:09.006 at N. A. U. 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.496 Uh and here's some photography from the National Park service in the Grand 00:19:12.529 --> 00:19:18.506 Canyon National Park Museum Uh for sort of before and after or re 00:19:18.539 --> 00:19:26.539 photography of the Phantom Ranch Swimming Pool in 1930 for in 1961. 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:32.177 Alright, so that's a quick walkthrough of this collaborative project um 00:19:32.210 --> 00:19:36.236 and hardly want to keep you from getting to lunch, but I'm more than happy 00:19:36.269 --> 00:19:44.269 to answer any questions you might have about the work that we've done. 00:19:44.539 --> 00:19:50.056 The gentleman asked if this is a work in progress or are we all done? And 00:19:50.089 --> 00:19:55.976 you know, this is one of these things where the uh project can take a life 00:19:56.009 --> 00:20:01.256 on of its own. We spoke last week at the Grand Canyon symposium hosted by 00:20:01.289 --> 00:20:06.536 the Grand Canyon Historical Society. And sure enough park ranger, the 00:20:06.569 --> 00:20:10.486 librarian from the Grand Canyon National Park approached us and said we 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:15.107 have many more things in the library at the Grand Canyon National Park and 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:20.867 we'd like to participate in this. Um So there's certainly there were other 00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:24.677 partners, many other partners that we could have chosen in this project. 00:20:24.710 --> 00:20:29.387 Um The Arizona State Archives has material. The Arizona Historical Society 00:20:29.420 --> 00:20:33.867 , University University of Arizona has materials. So there are a lot of 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:39.486 potentials for uh continuing the project. Another thing that I thought was 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:44.617 very interesting in this work was one of the spin offs of this project was 00:20:44.650 --> 00:20:47.857 the Institute for Humanities Research, the A. S. U. Institute for 00:20:47.890 --> 00:20:53.647 Humanities Research seed grant that were we received and that partly 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:58.756 supported this conference and the review committee for the Sea Grant asked 00:20:58.789 --> 00:21:02.377 us this very interesting question that actually came up yesterday, I 00:21:02.410 --> 00:21:07.286 believe in Teresa's presentation. And that was how do native american 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:15.319 communities uh do way finding, transmit information about places and 00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:22.276 routes and ways to go around the Grand Canyon. And I don't know the answer 00:21:22.309 --> 00:21:28.976 to that. And so the hr people asked us to look into that and to see if 00:21:29.009 --> 00:21:33.687 there were some opportunities to partner with the native american 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:38.226 communities here in Arizona. Which is actually a big ask because there are 00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:45.526 in fact at least eight or 9 of them. And I'd also like to say in relation 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:52.306 to that, we chose not to include those communities in this first go round 00:21:52.339 --> 00:21:59.516 of the project. And part of that was it really is not our place to tell 00:21:59.549 --> 00:22:01.907 their story. 00:22:01.940 --> 00:22:06.486 And the other thing I want to talk about in relation to that is the 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:11.306 protocols for the handling of native american archival materials which is 00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:16.447 an ethical standard Uh that really came out of actually began with some 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:22.306 discussions in the mid 1990s at Flagstaff at Northern Arizona University. 00:22:22.339 --> 00:22:28.447 And those protocols call for in depth discussions with representatives of 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:33.006 the native american communities regarding uh the use the reuse the 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:41.039 presentation of materials relating to their history and their culture. Um 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:46.657 having some experience in working in these areas. We n au has had a long 00:22:46.690 --> 00:22:53.457 experience with collaborative work with the Hopi tribe and with Stuart who 00:22:53.490 --> 00:22:58.506 is the Cultural resources Cultural preservation office Director at Hopi. 00:22:58.539 --> 00:23:04.137 Um And we talked about this and came to the conclusion that in this first 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:08.407 go round, it would be very difficult to have a respectful and in depth 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:16.266 conversation with the various tribal governments regarding a project of 00:23:16.299 --> 00:23:21.217 this nature. So that may be something that we turn to. Um in the course of 00:23:21.250 --> 00:23:27.127 the HR Grant, uh we want to begin to have a conversation um and see if 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:34.107 there's a way that these things might be shared with the recognition that 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:38.917 the very important recognition that every tribe and every tribal 00:23:38.950 --> 00:23:43.437 government and even subdivisions within those groups are going to come at 00:23:43.470 --> 00:23:49.417 those questions very differently. Um It's really not right to say what 00:23:49.450 --> 00:23:54.056 would native americans do? Um every tribe has a different perspective 00:23:54.089 --> 00:23:58.127 about those things. And so we anticipate a variety of answers to that 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:02.617 question as we get down into some of the details. I'm sorry, that was a 00:24:02.650 --> 00:24:10.650 really lengthy response to your question. 00:24:11.019 --> 00:24:13.976 Uh 00:24:14.009 --> 00:24:20.756 thanks, thanks goodness. I thought that I noticed you had your list of 00:24:20.789 --> 00:24:24.746 columns of different types of materials you had and you didn't have a 00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:28.066 grouping for maps and I was wondering if that was one where you were going 00:24:28.099 --> 00:24:32.046 to add in some of the maps that have been scanned for the project. Yeah, I 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:37.546 feel badly about that too. Um you know, matt matt identified some maps? 00:24:37.579 --> 00:24:43.316 Yeah, some maps for us and um we kind of ran out of time. We we also had 00:24:43.349 --> 00:24:49.006 some issues regarding access to large scale scanning facilities that might 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:55.417 have been worked out given more time. But really the I H. R. C Grant 00:24:55.450 --> 00:25:00.137 project is about surveying and uh it's focused on mapping the Grand Canyon. 00:25:00.170 --> 00:25:03.927 It's about surveying to find out what materials might be available for a 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:08.506 future expansion of the project. 00:25:08.539 --> 00:25:11.707 Other questions. 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:15.207 Alright, great. Thank you very much. 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.930 Thank you.