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 So she hired you then in 1957. And was that a full time child to develop

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the program in nursing at issue. So
what did that involve? How did you do

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that? Not easily. Um

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Well there we were placed as you can
imagine a very delightful place in

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Matthew's basement.

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It was it was there were three or 4
pretty good sized rooms there at that

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time. And uh so the other person in
Loretta and I um we're working as they

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had been here six months before I got
here. So I got here mid semester or

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second semester. And uh we they had
been doing other things and setting

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the groundwork for the program. And we
tried to we did sit down and plan

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the curriculum as it should be for
nurses who are going to have a

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bachelor's degree. And it included uh

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general uh work. And as any other
student would have coming together a

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bachelor's degree in addition to
nursing courses.

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And and so we we planned it. That's
some other other faculty then came in

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uh the next year and

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for the following years. So the
program was accepting students to do their

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basic requirements and then would
later move into yeah nursing

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requirements. So what was your first
title within a day? S you what was

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the job called? It was called an
associate professor. And how it became an

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associate professor at that level. I
can't really remember because I was

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in no way uh at the level to be an
associate professor in today's terms

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but you got a master's degree. I had a
master's degree and you've been

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doing a lot of work in there saying
yes I had you had some qualifications

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? Well I did have some. What was the
salary? I don't know. I can't

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remember. It was enough to get by but
it wasn't in the millions

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if any ever is. And

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do you remember if it was more or less
than you would have made as a nurse

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? I think it was about the same

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because nurses then we're not as as
sparse as they are now, although the

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the community didn't need colleagues
are nursing very badly. I think. Why

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was that? Well, because you're limited
when you have only a diploma, you

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you don't have the all of the sciences
that you might have nor the other

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uh courses which provide a well
rounded approach to life, I think.

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So what did it take to you really got
in on the ground floor to start the

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College of nursing then? What were
some of the things that you've

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considered when you thought about what
you wanted that college to be? Well

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, we wanted them to have a good
general

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appreciation of the arts and the
sciences. In fact it was essential. And

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also to bring in the community needs
and public health problems which

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existed in the community as well as
the nursing care per se just a broad

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approach to knowledge and

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then the emphasis on the nursing, our
nursing as it is dealt with in that

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community.

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So when did you actually start
accepting students and having teaching

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classes for them?

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Actually

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I think it was that next fall from the
came in january of of that year and

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I think it was the next fall we had
students.

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And were you teaching at that time? We
were teaching beginning courses in

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nursing along with some of them had
been in in the liberal arts college

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and transferred over to nursing. But

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I think that most of them had some
courses before they started and

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transferred into nursing. But some did
not. So they started at the

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beginning and and took some courses
introductory courses to nursing. Do

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you remember how many students you had
the first you know I can't remember

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I was trying to remember that the
other day and and it was I think they

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were run Between 20 to 40 students in
rule but not all of them stayed.

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Did some of them come from the
community colleges to or I think most of

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them did not. A lot of them came from
other places in Arizona. And they

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were enrolled in the general liberal
arts degree. Did the University of

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Arizona have they started running
about the same time? Because that's

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where the medical schools.

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That's correct. So what you were
teaching then when they started when you

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started classes, what did you teach?
Well there were some nurses with

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diplomas who in fact there were a lot
of them who were then wanted to get

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their bachelor of Science degree and

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in the community. And there were some
courses that we taught advanced

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courses in nursing, which, and
particularly again in public health because

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that's not one area that's dealt with
at all in the, in the deployment

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programs.

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Usually

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did you yourself teach some of those
courses?

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I don't, I can't remember exactly
which ones. I thought right now

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we, we taught what we were more
competent and, and had more experience.

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And the, because by that next trial we
had Probably three or 4 more

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instructors and each was refining
their area for teaching. What area was

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your public health and, and maternal
child.

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You didn't use your site?

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I did, yes, but that was a little bit
later and I did use my psychic

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experience. It was very helpful to, mm
hmm. Um, now you say your offices

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were in the basement of Matthews Hall.
Um, where were your classes held

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there? Our officers were like here and
the classes were like there. Mhm.

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Not much space there. No, there wasn't
a lot. But it was enough. Um, when

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you started off, did you have goals to
have another building or to move

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out there? Well, we did get, yes, we
had hopes of moving out of there. And

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we did finally, I think it was the
next year that we were given a building

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on Forest Street and it was happens to
be worthy. Uh, The TV station is

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now Channel eight is located and it
was a nice little house. Unfortunately

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for me, the director of the school
decided to go on a trip with her

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husband had been planning it for years
to Sweden and so somebody had to

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decide stay in and work at the college
during the summer and decide how

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the building on forests should be
redesigned internally too. Hold all of

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the new faculty we were getting, I
happened to be lucky enough to to stay

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into that that year. And you said it
was that loved house. It was a house

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, an old house remodeling. Yes, we,
they took down practically all of the

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rooms and and restructured the rooms
for offices and so forth. But I guess

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that was, that was not our beginning.
That was later towards the, the time

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when I was getting ready to leave and
go to for my doctoral degree in 62.

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So we were in Matthews hall for some
time. What what was a issue like

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those during those years? It was kind
of a nice quiet campus and you could

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even find space to walk on the
sidewalk,

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which some days it's hard to find. Uh,
the last time I was here trying to

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place to park. Yeah. That replaces the
park. Even there were still streets

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going through campus. There were
streets going through campus. Yeah. And

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the new building, which is now not the
building anymore than nursing

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building anymore. I was on the corner
of

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across the street from where the
churches

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and

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and it still is there of course the
building.

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Oh, those first few years must have
been kind of exciting and challenging

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to school from scratch. Yeah, it was
very interesting. It was it was good

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. I must say we had a lot of help from
what was called Witchy then. I

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don't know if you're familiar with
that organization. It's a regional

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organization, the Western. Uh

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I can't remember the whole title of
it, but it was a Western society for

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uh huh higher education in the west
and all the colleges and universities

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were invited to attend and be a member
of that group. So it really made an

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impetus for increasing higher
education in all the Western states and it's

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still going, It was out of Denver. I
think the officers are still there

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and our dean was very active in that
organization. Which was helpful

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because she got to know other deans in
the western area. And the college

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was helped I think by the knowledge
from those schools and some of it was

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transferred into our curriculum, I'm
sure.

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Well you mentioned that you started
here in 57 that issue. And then you

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say you left to go get your doctoral
degree. Yes.

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In Berlin in 62. Why did you decide to
do that? Well, I decided that I

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didn't know enough to be teaching at
the university without having more

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education. And I was very interested
in a program called Human development

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which was offered through social
sciences at the University of Chicago. So

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I applied to another scholarship and
received it and the way I went. And

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how long were you gone? five years. So
and I did not initially intend to

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return especially here, but Loretta
was still dean at the college at that

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time and she decided that I should be
here. So eventually I agreed to and

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it was a very nice experience. What
did you think you wanted to do um to

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teach uh nursing and to incorporate
the information and knowledge that I

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had obtained about how human how
people develop over the age span. Uh And

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I think that it's very helpful if
nurses have a good understanding of what

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happens in different stages in life.
But if you were in a way to Chicago

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for five years you must have had a lot
of other opportunities during that

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time. Yes I did. And did I worked as a
research associate part of the time.

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Uh That was during my last couple of
years and that was helpful for me to

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because the program there was highly

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emphasized

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research

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as well as application of that
research. Well, what was it that you could

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offer you that convinced you to come
back here? Well um Loretta was very

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interested in the total faculty were
interested in uh starting a master's

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program. And so I was really hired to
plan and get that program on on its

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way in nursing, which I did. And I'm
glad I did because it was very

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interesting time for me. And it was
helpful to the community. Why did they

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want a Master's program?

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Because nurses need to know more

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so they need to know more of of some
of the stuff which I was just talking

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about some of the material in relation
to development. And and uh the

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various programs are needed because of
specialization and medicine. And

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nursing uh needs to be able to know
how to take care of people who are uh

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either needing help for medical
surgical problems or childbearing problems

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or psychiatric problems and so forth.
So we had programs in those areas,

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programs for ministers degree

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had a issue at the College of Nursing
changed a lot over those five years.

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Not much the same program. The same.
Yeah, curriculum was still in effect

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for the most part. And the thing was
that more and more people wanted

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their master's degree because they
needed it in order to care for certain

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groups of people in the community. And
public health was another one,

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which was very important. The school
has gotten a lot bigger. Yes, it had

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, it had grown and and had a new
building in the corner as I said across

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the street from the church on and
writing on on the edge of the the

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property. It's one of the first
buildings one comes into, mm hmm. However

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, that is not a nursing building
anymore. I understand. But it became It

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was built as a nursing building.

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University and university and whatever
street that is. Colleges. Yes,

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maybe just college. And that was built
to be a college of nursing. And you

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know what year that was built? I think
65. It was finished. That was

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during the time you were gone. That
looks like it would have looked a lot

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different than when you came back from
the time when you left. Yes, indeed.

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It did. Do you remember how many
students there were by then? It was a

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full house. I don't know exactly. I
can'tremember