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 I want to go back to Russ for a moment. You know, when I look back you

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presided over so many things, the
period of growth. Remember a study? I

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made a demographic study. I started
with Durham and then uh plotted the

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demographics and it came to nelson and
it's a great big hump. And then on

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from there. Yeah. And that was a
challenge because I remember trying to

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get money out of the legislature to
fund this and the legislature would

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say, well let's see if the growth is
permanent and then come back and talk

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to us. And that was typical of what
the legislature can understand their

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rationale. But it didn't make our job
tough. I can name off a number of

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things that the dress presided over A.
S. U. West, the downtown center,

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the old asylum that we got back from
down the state and that's part of the

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campus. He presided over a all of the
problems in the athletic department

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that included included a super bowl on
campus, which no other president

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has ever had to deal with. The United
States. And those were probably as

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an exciting a time as any university
in the country with the growth and

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everything else that was going on new
campuses bringing up and new growth

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and in a major metropolitan area. It
was probably a a very prime time to

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be the president. I couldn't have
found a more exciting place for us. An

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interesting ride.

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Well I think we could very well say
that you brought the university to

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maturity.

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No, I think frank that we had the
opportunity to get it started on the

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road to maturity.

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A different, a different kind of
university. I think it was mature at what

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it was and we were given the challenge
of getting it started to become

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what it could be, which is and it was
a different reality that the

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region's laid out for us and I don't
think that happens overnight. I had

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eight years to work on it, Laddie
worked on it 12 years we're not there

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yet and I'm sure that that will be
continuing, will continue to be a major

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focus of the university to bring
itself into a different level of work and

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recognition.

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Well, it was interesting for all of us
to have played a small part in that

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process and on behalf of everybody
that will read this in the future or

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listen to it. I thank you for being
here. Well thank you bret, not that I

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was appointed the moderator, but well
you've doneit