WEBVTT 00:00:23.539 --> 00:00:25.539 I'm Ed Sylvester at professor in the walter Cronkite school. I am Conrad 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:34.436 Store ad. And So back to 1980 I'm working at the Barberton Herald. Ronald 00:00:34.469 --> 00:00:37.796 Reagan gets elected president and a lot of people remember the first 00:00:37.829 --> 00:00:41.616 Reagan recession. That's what we called it. In northeast Ohio the rust 00:00:41.649 --> 00:00:45.186 belt. It's a lot of the factories closed down. People were losing their 00:00:45.219 --> 00:00:50.146 jobs and I was running this little newspaper or we were bought out by 00:00:50.179 --> 00:00:53.796 another group and so everybody lost their jobs. So of course, what do you 00:00:53.829 --> 00:00:58.217 do you go to graduate school? I then did my research and found out that 00:00:58.250 --> 00:01:01.557 Arizona State University was starting a masters degree in Journalism and 00:01:01.590 --> 00:01:05.307 it was designed for people who had worked in the media we wanted to come 00:01:05.340 --> 00:01:08.936 back and further their education. Just what I was looking for. Got ahold 00:01:08.969 --> 00:01:12.717 of Doug Anderson who was running the program at that time and became the 00:01:12.750 --> 00:01:15.977 first director of the Cronkite school. Later he was insistent he kept 00:01:16.010 --> 00:01:19.046 calling and he wanted me to be a teaching assistant. That brought me to 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.266 Arizona was assigned to be read Sylvester's assistant as a teaching 00:01:22.299 --> 00:01:27.406 teaching assistant. 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:33.926 But by the end of 1983 you became one of the first three of our master's 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.217 graduates and immediately went off to a very prestigious fellowship right 00:01:38.250 --> 00:01:41.917 in the area you were interested in. And where was that at the National 00:01:41.950 --> 00:01:46.447 Cancer Institute in Bethesda Maryland at the National Institutes of Health. 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:50.667 So I had an internship as a science medical writer, which is what my 00:01:50.700 --> 00:01:54.637 whole degree program was geared towards Science journalism. And so I got 00:01:54.670 --> 00:01:58.346 to spend almost a year in Bethesda working for the federal government was 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:03.277 a very interesting place to be. And I happened to be there Through the 00:02:03.310 --> 00:02:09.156 beginning of 1984 when the AIDS virus was discovered was identified and it 00:02:09.189 --> 00:02:12.337 was a National Cancer Institute scientist that actually made that 00:02:12.370 --> 00:02:16.186 discovery. So I was part of the Office of Cancer Communications and was 00:02:16.219 --> 00:02:18.807 part of the teams that had to write press releases about. We know what 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:22.057 this this disease is now, what's causing it. And it just happened at that 00:02:22.090 --> 00:02:28.797 time. Albert Saban was there. Albert Saban who had discovered the oral 00:02:28.830 --> 00:02:34.707 polio vaccine. He was in his 80s then and he had been working on a aerosol 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:38.136 vaccine for measles. And there had been a little lab accident and he had 00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:41.666 inhaled some of this. And Ironically he was paralyzed from the waist down. 00:02:41.699 --> 00:02:45.677 Here's a man who had helped so many people avoid paralysis through polio 00:02:45.710 --> 00:02:48.867 and here he is. In his 80s, he's paralyzed well, he eventually recovered 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:53.856 and he was actually there doing his recovery and the park area outside NIH 00:02:53.889 --> 00:02:58.027 has never been there beautiful campus wooded area. And so he was sitting 00:02:58.060 --> 00:03:01.557 on a park bench outside the clinical center. I was walking with a friend 00:03:01.590 --> 00:03:04.647 of mine who worked at the cancer institute had cerebral policy. So he had 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.856 a withered arm and withered leg and he points out to me. So you see that 00:03:07.889 --> 00:03:12.557 guy over on the on the bench because that's Albert Saban. He said no. He 00:03:12.590 --> 00:03:15.596 said yeah. He said Albert Sabin polio vaccine. Albert saving because yeah 00:03:15.629 --> 00:03:20.307 , nobel laureate. Albert Sabban says, yeah, because let's go talk to him 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:24.307 so we can't go talk to Albert Saban, can we go down? Let's go talk to him. 00:03:24.340 --> 00:03:27.756 So we walked over and he saw my friend and he said, are you one of my 00:03:27.789 --> 00:03:31.406 Children thinking that he had been a polio victim? He said no, no, I had 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.707 cp. And what do you what do you guys do? What sit down with me, sit down 00:03:34.740 --> 00:03:37.686 with me and we explained what we did that we were science writers. And he 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:41.906 wanted to know how do you like working with some of the scientists here at 00:03:41.939 --> 00:03:45.196 and my age, I said, well, you know, it's interesting but there's a lot of 00:03:45.229 --> 00:03:50.827 big egos here and a lot of them are not very helpful for me to do my job. 00:03:50.860 --> 00:03:54.656 And he said Conrad and he was calling me Conrad right away said Conrad, 00:03:54.689 --> 00:03:59.957 let me give you some advice. He said if everyone who was writing about 00:03:59.990 --> 00:04:04.916 science had to have a PhD in science, there would not be very much science 00:04:04.949 --> 00:04:10.906 writing done now, would there. So yeah. And he said, let me tell you this 00:04:10.939 --> 00:04:14.506 when you're working with a scientist or a researcher. If they cannot 00:04:14.539 --> 00:04:18.947 explain to you in words, you can understand what it is they're doing they 00:04:18.980 --> 00:04:23.187 don't know what the hell they're doing. I've never forgotten that it was 00:04:23.220 --> 00:04:26.846 when interviewing scientists and you're not putting people up on a 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.176 pedestal, you're trying to get information because you're trying to tell a 00:04:30.209 --> 00:04:35.187 story to a lay audience in words they can understand. So doing your job as 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:42.906 a translator in a in a way. 00:04:42.939 --> 00:04:47.257 What did you feel were the biggest challenges that s you collectively I 00:04:47.290 --> 00:04:52.046 was facing during the time that you were here? Well, the the one that was 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:56.176 just overwhelming when we first came was that we weren't too many years 00:04:56.209 --> 00:05:02.606 from achieving the university status and we've just been offering doctoral 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.837 degrees about a decade. Faculty member from the U. Of A. Was the head of 00:05:05.870 --> 00:05:10.207 the appropriations committee and the legislature tom Goodwin. And so our 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.337 poor presidents just had an awful uphill fight. The Board of Regents was 00:05:14.370 --> 00:05:18.317 stacked with you of a people. They weren't quietly you of a people. They 00:05:18.350 --> 00:05:22.767 were overtly you of a people and they would tell the CSU presidents the U. 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.877 Of A. Is the main university and that's the one we're going to support 00:05:25.910 --> 00:05:29.457 and you and I know you will get what get what we can get you. But so it 00:05:29.490 --> 00:05:34.166 was a struggle because we had the students, we had the growth in any kind 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.486 of a funding comparison the U. Of A. Was so much better off. It was 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.777 unbelievable now over the years, the board and the Legislature fussed 00:05:41.810 --> 00:05:46.707 around with that and made a few adjustments. But I'll bet if you look 00:05:46.740 --> 00:05:51.246 today the funding for student in equivalent programs is still stacked in 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:55.116 the direction. So that that was always a problem. And it's been 00:05:55.149 --> 00:05:59.507 astonishing to me just how that has changed in terms of, I think the 00:05:59.540 --> 00:06:04.356 legislature and the board it's much more balanced and way more favorable 00:06:04.389 --> 00:06:07.637 to issue than it ever was and it was a struggle because every time we want 00:06:07.670 --> 00:06:11.176 to introduce a new program, you they would say we're already doing it, so 00:06:11.209 --> 00:06:14.926 we don't need to in the state or we were just about to do it. Uh And so 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:19.236 let us do it or we could do it better or the A. S. A. S. You really isn't 00:06:19.269 --> 00:06:22.606 staffed up to do that. In fact, when we got our interdisciplinary PhD 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:27.666 program, chuck Wolfe worked with me because he wanted it to be an 00:06:27.699 --> 00:06:32.757 unimpeachable proposal, He didn't want it coming back at us and having the 00:06:32.790 --> 00:06:36.976 U. Of a say it. And so he felt like when we went forward with the proposal 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:40.077 with three people from chemistry, three from biology to from psychology to 00:06:40.110 --> 00:06:42.916 from engineering, one from nutrition and then the dozen from our 00:06:42.949 --> 00:06:46.036 department. Um they couldn't they couldn't say we're about to do that and 00:06:46.069 --> 00:06:49.397 what we can do it better and so on and they didn't, and so it went through 00:06:49.430 --> 00:06:55.246 and, you know, without a hitch, but but it was a struggle, that is for all 00:06:55.279 --> 00:07:03.007 the things that we proposed and tried 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:08.007 and then as the microcomputer started to develop, um there was of course 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.957 two schools of thought, those that thought it was a fun toy and we 00:07:10.990 --> 00:07:14.416 shouldn't be wasting our time on it. And those that thought maybe it was 00:07:14.449 --> 00:07:18.676 gonna be something, the industry was still sorting itself out, um there 00:07:18.709 --> 00:07:22.806 were lots of different brands Commodores and all other kinds of, remember 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:29.507 all kinds of computers with funny names to us now. And then IBM got in and 00:07:29.540 --> 00:07:34.027 um decided that they were gonna, that it was gonna be serious, they had a 00:07:34.060 --> 00:07:39.096 separate division in boca raton florida for microcomputers, one of the 00:07:39.129 --> 00:07:45.517 most, you know, interesting times for me was when uh this would be in 1986 00:07:45.550 --> 00:07:51.877 the summer of 1986 early in the spring, IBM came out with an offer that if 00:07:51.910 --> 00:07:56.656 we could put together a deal for 500 microcomputers, we could get them at 00:07:56.689 --> 00:08:01.046 a very much reduced price, which I think, I don't know for sure, but 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.856 looking back, I'm guessing we were paying $3000 a computer and we were 00:08:04.889 --> 00:08:08.166 getting, you know, that would be what the microbes work, we're costing in 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.527 those days instead of what they cost now weigh less and I think we could 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:17.147 get them for a couple of 1000 if we Put this order of 500, well, that just 00:08:17.180 --> 00:08:22.176 seemed impossible, I decided I was going to try and that one of the ways I 00:08:22.209 --> 00:08:26.606 would try to do it would I would be I would try to collaborate with U of A 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.887 and N au. I was allowed to do that. And if they would buy in and we could 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.396 pull that and get 100 then everybody would get the prize. N au said they'd 00:08:34.429 --> 00:08:39.207 like to join. But of course you have a they were too good for us and they 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.226 told me absolutely not. They thought it was stupid and that they didn't 00:08:43.259 --> 00:08:47.636 think micro computers, this is the head of their computing services. But I 00:08:47.669 --> 00:08:52.256 managed, I called all the at that time I was on Dean's Council and I was 00:08:52.289 --> 00:08:56.837 able to work with the Deans and the department chairs and get the order 00:08:56.870 --> 00:09:03.287 put together. We we let each person really have a custom configuration. It 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.126 was probably something of a mistake. We really didn't know what we were 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:10.986 doing. They all came in And we were trying to get them set up for the fall 00:09:11.019 --> 00:09:17.587 of 1986 before classes started Darryl ash brock and his crew was unpacking 00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:22.766 this truck full of stuff and there was just, there were parts and boxes 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.337 absolutely everywhere, all outside the building. We had it all cleared up 00:09:26.370 --> 00:09:30.106 for several days and his guys worked on that took him the whole summer. 00:09:30.139 --> 00:09:34.707 And as a side note the guy that you've got fired for it. he lost his job 00:09:34.740 --> 00:09:36.886 because 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:42.506 yeah, 00:09:42.539 --> 00:09:46.707 john swallow was president when I started working in my full time staff 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:50.427 position. My boss of course was Carl Dannon felt and he was the academic 00:09:50.460 --> 00:09:55.006 vice president. It was a small office, there were just four of us. Carl he 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:59.756 had one assistant, his secretary who was normal roads and myself. So it 00:09:59.789 --> 00:10:03.396 was just really a mom and pop shop at the time, their normal retired and I 00:10:03.429 --> 00:10:07.577 was promoted into her job. So I took a giant leap were very quickly in my 00:10:07.610 --> 00:10:13.016 career and was assistant to the academic vice President and Continued in 00:10:13.049 --> 00:10:18.886 that role through eight vice presidents or provosts. Actually one of them 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.197 , I worked for three times. Elmer Gooding, he was acting or interim um 00:10:24.230 --> 00:10:27.496 provost for Academic vice president several times, but I only counted him 00:10:27.529 --> 00:10:33.297 once. A lot page Mulholland and paige was came from outside the university. 00:10:33.330 --> 00:10:37.246 My position changed a little bit then because he hired someone to be a 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:43.096 secretary and I became more of a um executive coordinator type and helped 00:10:43.129 --> 00:10:46.917 with the budget and that kind of thing. Age was really all business in the 00:10:46.950 --> 00:10:51.797 fast mover Kinzinger. He was a mover and a shaker. He immediately, one of 00:10:51.830 --> 00:10:54.846 the first things he did, I remember was I was trying to get us involved 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.217 with some kind of a program in Mauritania. The research park was one of 00:11:00.250 --> 00:11:04.366 the things that he has reigned that he was responsible for, pushed to get 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.557 that and it was big and everybody thought, you know, this is never gonna 00:11:07.590 --> 00:11:10.776 work, It's you know, it's not going to support itself and I think it was 00:11:10.809 --> 00:11:14.407 probably touch and go there for a while. Of course now we know that it's 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:18.136 doing well. Roland. Hayden Roland had been the dean of the Engineering 00:11:18.169 --> 00:11:22.876 college was asked to take the position. People were terrified of him at 00:11:22.909 --> 00:11:28.447 first because he had a reputation of being very stern. All business was 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:32.327 sometimes a temper. But I never found that to be true. I found him to be 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.976 kindhearted and easy to work with. Richard peck was provost really for 00:11:37.009 --> 00:11:40.297 just one year and he was here a second year, but the second year he was 00:11:40.330 --> 00:11:44.006 acting president. So those were part of the times when Elmer Gooding. It 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:48.876 was in and out of our Milk Glick when he was interviewed. I remember that 00:11:48.909 --> 00:11:52.886 was we had so many provosts and in the interview people were asking him, 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.246 well how long will you stay? So he promised he would stay at least five 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:02.146 years And he ended up staying 15. He was a great great um provost in my 00:12:02.179 --> 00:12:05.226 mind, one of the best that I think we've ever had. He he got a lot of 00:12:05.259 --> 00:12:09.896 things going that were, had sort of been on hold because nothing had been 00:12:09.929 --> 00:12:13.136 happening when we have a provost for, you know, one year, two years acting 00:12:13.169 --> 00:12:17.457 here going, He got the faculty involved in administration. Got their 00:12:17.490 --> 00:12:22.707 confidence was active with the Senate. One of his goals was to increase 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:27.646 enrollment and boy Diddy and all the deans of course report to the provost. 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.886 A lot of the vice president's reported to the provost. He was very 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:35.687 involved with president core And then later President Crow, when Michael 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:40.297 came in as a matter of fact, Michael was a consultant that Milt brought to 00:12:40.330 --> 00:12:45.337 campus for a couple of years before Michael became president here. So we 00:12:45.370 --> 00:12:49.276 interacted with um, Mike when he came to visit on his consulting business 00:12:49.309 --> 00:12:54.677 with Milt, they were colleagues before in Iowa Elmer and melt. They were 00:12:54.710 --> 00:12:58.077 so fair to people that was up most I think when they were, when they were 00:12:58.110 --> 00:13:02.057 dealing in hard situations always had in mind what was fair to the 00:13:02.090 --> 00:13:05.356 employee, whether it's a faculty member or a staff member at the work 00:13:05.389 --> 00:13:09.927 styles, they included me, I was more of a confidante, um, a right hand 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:14.707 person. So one of the best parts about it is that you see the big picture 00:13:14.740 --> 00:13:17.947 and you know, where the skeletons are and you know, things that you never 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:22.927 tell but they really did include me. Milt especially gave me a more 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:27.307 responsibility. He turned over the office to me to be director of the 00:13:27.340 --> 00:13:30.707 office in addition to being assistant to him. And so I had sort of two 00:13:30.740 --> 00:13:38.606 hats under his regime, which was kind of 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.537 of all your accomplishment today issue. What's giving you the most 00:13:41.570 --> 00:13:46.476 satisfaction? Well creating the programs for the american indians on the 00:13:46.509 --> 00:13:51.276 reservations and but from outsiders I think that probably the thing that 00:13:51.309 --> 00:13:56.037 would be most impressive was I ran the sickness, the society for 00:13:56.070 --> 00:14:00.077 advancement of chicanos. Um and native Americans. I ran their annual 00:14:00.110 --> 00:14:06.496 conference at a. s. U. in 1987 and that was a nightmare as well as whole 00:14:06.529 --> 00:14:13.807 bunch of people remember it was your outstanding memory here. In terms of 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.356 I think the the single thing that probably made me happiest was Dorothy 00:14:17.389 --> 00:14:22.427 lipson was a person who had come through our programs had gotten her B. A. 00:14:22.460 --> 00:14:27.077 She's absolutely first generation, the first person in her family off the 00:14:27.110 --> 00:14:31.917 Navajo reservation laddie course singled her out And her family and she 00:14:31.950 --> 00:14:35.496 must have had 20 members of the family in the audience sitting up there 00:14:35.529 --> 00:14:39.126 and they all stood up and were applauded when, when she graduated what 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.026 occupies your time as a retiree. I retired from stu and followed bob to 00:14:43.059 --> 00:14:46.957 the university of Kansas where I became director of american indian 00:14:46.990 --> 00:14:52.516 outreach. I reported to the provost and had a job assignment of doing good 00:14:52.549 --> 00:14:57.707 for indians. I mean it's a great job description. One of bob's jokes is 00:14:57.740 --> 00:15:03.116 that when they have decided they would make him vP for research, you know 00:15:03.149 --> 00:15:07.516 , they said, do you have any goats and canoes. Do you have any people you 00:15:07.549 --> 00:15:13.856 have to bring? And he said, I have a wife who's american indian and you 00:15:13.889 --> 00:15:19.297 would have to know the provost. The provost always sits like this that 00:15:19.330 --> 00:15:25.197 that particular provost at any rate. And according to bob he sat up and 00:15:25.230 --> 00:15:31.606 then he became the trailing spouse. So that's the way I tell the story 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:36.547 during this time, During the last 14 years. I'm still working for them. I 00:15:36.580 --> 00:15:40.276 have man, I have helped bring in about $25 million dollars of funds 00:15:40.309 --> 00:15:44.587 through programs. These are all NIH grants. They are all and all of these 00:15:44.620 --> 00:15:52.126 have been funded and refunded some of them Up to four times. Start talking 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:55.886 about your awards for which I am the designated back then. Okay, I have 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:01.276 started receiving lifetime awards including pays meme which is the 00:16:01.309 --> 00:16:05.797 presidential award for excellence in science, mathematics and Engineering 00:16:05.830 --> 00:16:12.407 mentoring awarded in the Oval Office by President Obama in January 2011 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:18.526 Pomona College awarded me an honorary degree in May 2012. The University 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.907 of California Riverside. Made me their distinguished alumnus. Much of my 00:16:22.940 --> 00:16:28.427 time is devoted to collecting art, especially american indian art. This is 00:16:28.460 --> 00:16:32.726 very important to me both because it supports excellent american indian 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.746 artists. But because it helps me beautify my home. So bob is always saying 00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:43.136 you haven't adopted him to have you you say yes. I mean for example I have 00:16:43.169 --> 00:16:51.169 adopted Penny Singer who? It's uh a wonderful fabric artist But we have 26 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.516 paintings by the same artist in the bedroom. And one of those jackets 00:16:54.549 --> 00:17:02.549 appears in the picture with the president's arm around her. 00:17:05.539 --> 00:17:13.226 And there was the name change was coming. A big effort to try to change A 00:17:13.259 --> 00:17:19.286 . S. C. To an A. S. U. And it was going to be a public vote. So there is 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:25.857 this desire for visibility. So somebody said, what can we do, what could 00:17:25.890 --> 00:17:33.890 you do? And so I intended the sewer club and broadcast from in front of 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:41.597 the engineering center out of the steam pipe tunnels 00:17:41.630 --> 00:17:48.707 and gave away free cigarettes and and free records, which of course 00:17:48.740 --> 00:17:53.647 created a crowd. And then I told a buddy who works at Channel 12 and he 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.907 told somebody there 00:17:56.940 --> 00:18:03.806 and they were out filming it and it was going to be on on NBC National. 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.417 You know one of those end of the news, those funny things people do out 00:18:08.450 --> 00:18:13.707 there. And mrs Gammage, the President's wife, Kay Gammage found out about 00:18:13.740 --> 00:18:19.437 it. And and I mean, she was just what if this is the only thing they ever 00:18:19.470 --> 00:18:26.246 know about it? We can't let them know we live in sewers. We've got to stop 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:34.279 it. And I mean they They all went to channel 12 at once. And so channel 12 00:18:35.299 --> 00:18:40.607 got it canceled. 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:47.657 This is the Catherine damage stories. It was magic by sally y I Catherine 00:18:47.690 --> 00:18:55.306 damage was the second wife and widow of Grady Gammage. I had never met her 00:18:55.339 --> 00:19:00.377 but I told I was told about how loyal she was how active she was. He was 00:19:00.410 --> 00:19:06.766 on the payroll at A. S. U. How enthusiastic she was about everything. 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:11.066 Never matter about time I was getting ready to retire. I was at three 00:19:11.099 --> 00:19:15.647 different social gatherings and each time she asked me to invite her out 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.976 to lunch. Well the first time I thought she was just being polite about 00:19:20.009 --> 00:19:23.496 this about the third time I said I'd better take it seriously. She was 00:19:23.529 --> 00:19:27.597 living at an apartment in Friendship Village retirement community so I 00:19:27.630 --> 00:19:32.117 went to pick her up and this sally y and that's her legal name. She want 00:19:32.150 --> 00:19:36.506 to make sure I understood that about her and to find my quote here she 00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:42.887 wrote this book. And Catherine Gammage and she were at a book signing in 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:48.976 the Memorial of the Union and I was invited to go to that. I had this book 00:19:49.009 --> 00:19:55.137 sally showed me one particular page and I won't read the whole thing. But 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:57.607 this is a quote 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:03.847 big print entitled the mystery man, friday lunch date. I have a date with 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:08.776 a mystery man. Maybe I made it up. I've done it before. Maybe they forgot 00:20:08.809 --> 00:20:15.957 they made a date with me. Oh he's here. My mystery man. I'll say it's good 00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:21.407 to see you. I've been looking forward to this whole week. And that sounded 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:27.076 like the Catherine damage that I'd heard about sally told me at that point 00:20:27.109 --> 00:20:32.326 She said when Catherine Gammage was looking forward to waiting for me to 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:36.476 come, she said I got a lunch date with somebody. I don't know who it is 00:20:36.509 --> 00:20:42.306 but it must be a man because I got a headache. Yeah. 00:20:42.339 --> 00:20:46.890 And we had a delightful lunch.