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 It's November 15th 2010. And my name is Elmer Gooding and it's an honor

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and a privilege for me to interview a
very special lady Madeline. Right?

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And we're doing this as part of the A.
S. U. Retirees Association Living

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History video project madeleine today.
We want to learn more about you and

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your experience today issue and a
little bit about the university as well.

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But let's start by having you tell us
about yourselves. My name is

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Madeleine Albright. And at the time of
my retirement from a issue I was

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the academic scheduling manager,
administrative staff. Where were you born

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and raised and that sort of thing.
Before it even came to the issue, I was

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born in a little small town called
Lichfield Oklahoma, which was about 20

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miles from Tulsa and it was a
priceless community because it was a town

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where everybody looked after
everybody's Children and you could be turned

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loose and go any place you wanted to
go and somebody was watching you and

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our parents didn't have to worry. And
so it was a great place to grow up.

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And then did you go to school there as
well? Or I went, yes I did. I went

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through high school and then when did
you come to Arizona In

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1953? I believe That's when that's
when I began working. No, I came about

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10 years before that. Oh that was that
was the A. S. You date and tell us

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about your your first job at a. S. U.
I was an office assistant

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and I made I think oh let's see here.
Right, I made $166

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a month.

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And uh

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that was not a very big salary even in
those days? Mm hmm. But you but you

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made it well, made. Well I did well at
issue now that was a part time job

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, you know that was a regular full
time job. And uh and now that was in

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the registrar's office, that was in
the registrar's office and I stayed

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there all the way through. But In 58
the business office or for me

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position as cashier. And I submitted
my notice to Alfred thomas that I was

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going to have to be leaving because I
really needed the money after a few

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days he said we'll talk about this
later. And after a few days he came

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back and presented a record
supervisor's positions at three at 2200 a

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month. And that looked like a gold
mine. I was glad to stay.

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And then what did you get a promotion
at that time? Yes. From uh from the

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office assistant two record
supervisors. Well tell us about some of the

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other positions you had because you
had a lot of different positions at

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the register. Yes I did. I stayed as
record supervisor until 1968

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and possibly 67. And I became
assistant registrar to Alfred thomas when

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you were in the registrar's office and
in charge of records. Were there

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any interesting stories that you might
tell us about what happened there?

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Many, many stories. one story, which
was, but just before I got the record

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supervisors job was a young man came
to the window and wanted to look at

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his record. Well the girl who was
supposed to be taking care of him was

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not there at the moment and I went
over and asked if I could help him. He

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said yes, he wanted to look at his
record and I said just a moment, I'll

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get it. I turned to leave and he said,
don't you want to know my name? And

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I said, aren't you? So and so and he
said, yeah, well, he looked at his

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record when I brought it and thanked
me and left a couple of days later my

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husband picked up the Arizona Republic
and as a, apparently he was a

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reporter as well as a student. And it
had an article in there that said,

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warning, Don't any of your students go
over to the Registrar's office and

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try to pull a fast one. Madeleine
wright knows every one of us by name.

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And

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about how large was a s. You back at
that time you recall what the size of

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the institution was. It was not very
big. It was like an overgrown high

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school. Uh it was the fellows were
coming home from the service and a lot

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of wives were being hired two work so
that their husbands could go to

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school. And it was a very interesting
time. I had one of those young man

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that I wasn't married who I think got
a crush on me because somehow he

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found out when my birthday was. This
young man was from texas. And he came

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to the window on my birthday with a
cake that had sparklers that were all

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lit and there was no way you could put
them out, you had to stand there

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and watch them burn all the way down.
And I was so embarrassed. That's an

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interesting friendship between texas
and Oklahoma. Usually they're in

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competition with each other. Well, I'm
I'm sure he didn't know if I was

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married or if I wasn't married because
I had never told him Madeleine who

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was registered when you, when you
started was Al thomas at that time. And

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I know you have a quote there that you
got from Al thomas. Why don't you

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share that with us? No book about a
issue? Well, this was a book that he

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wrote And on the inside he said to Mrs
Madeleine right with sincere

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appreciation for outstanding service
for wonderful loyalty, for doing many

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diversified jobs and responsibilities.
Well, for being pleasant when it

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would be easy not to be best wishes.
Alfred thomas Jr That's quite

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attribute that's wonderful. Now Al
thomas was registered. Who was

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president back at that time. Was that
probably damage, damage damage in

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the very beginning. Uh huh right now
after record supervisor, then you

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moved on to another position. I went
to assistant registrar in uh not 1968

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July I. 1968. And that was, that was
quite an honor. You can you tell us a

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little bit about the registration
process and how that was when you first

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arrived. As compared with how it was
in in in later years, did you use

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punch cards to pull for the classes or
how did how did the students

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register back in those days? Well when

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we did, when we had the registration,
everything was manual, nothing

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nothing was done automatically. And we
had class cards for each class, the

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department's had the glass guards,
they had a position where they sat and

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distribute them manually and the
students would go stand in line to to

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select the cards that they wanted to
register for. Um they had to be made

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up

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printed ahead of time that was done.
But then when the registration was

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over we had to take all of those cards
and put them into pigeon holds and

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to where they went. And then we had to
type the class list that were to go

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out to the faculty members. And uh at
the end of the semester when grades

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came in we had to we started typing up
the report cards ahead of time so

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that we had the student's name and
class is on the cards. So when the

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semester ended then we would go
through sort all of the class cards that

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came in and enter each one of those.
We spent many a night well into the

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night and coming on saturday to
saturday and even onto sunday if necessary.

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And there was arrangements made with
post office so that they would have

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someone at the post office that could
take those Greg cards after we had

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worked them and have them in the mail
on monday because the students had

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to register on Tuesday and yep it was
a handful even though we were small

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when you do everything manually it
doesn't doesn't go that fast.

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Well the registrar's office of course
outgrew the administration building

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and the entire operation was moved to
the more building and my area was

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put down in the lower level and it was
it it was not an unpleasant place

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to be. You didn't have any outside
windows or anything like that. But I

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for some reason got started with
plants, I bought it brought a few in and

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it seemed like then that everybody on
campus that came and saw plant down

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there. I wanted to bring me a plant
and pretty soon I had a garden down

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there and they grew like they had
sunshine and everything we couldn't

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quite understand but they thrived and
uh so it it made for a very

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interesting situation one time the
agricultural department had visitors

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from another country and at the moment
I've forgotten which one. And they

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actually put that on their tour for
their visitors to come down and see

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the plants that I was growing

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When I, when I left I gave them all
away and people, you could look out on

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campus and people were carrying them
in every direction, you know, with

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all of the plants and all of the books
that you had lining the walls

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describing all the classrooms. You had
a very full office. As I recall.

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We never did get to see frank Lloyd
wright walking through the more

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building when we were in the
administration building every once in a while

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we'd look out our window and here he'd
be going down the hall and up the

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stairs to see Grady Gammage. And that
was quite a Interesting.

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And then on from there, you moved up
to another position? Yes. I went to

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ac academic scheduling coordinator in
73 and then to academics. Well, just

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a few days later they changed the
title. And I got a notice from Elmer

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Gooding saying that I had gone to
Academic scheduling Manager,

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administrative staff. I remember
working with you many, many years. And

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then uh, with all of this scheduling,
I don't know anybody on the campus

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that that new every classroom, I knew
how many chairs were in each

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classroom, knew exactly what the
configuration was. And I recall one time

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that we were doing a survey and we
were comparing our use of classrooms

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with the normal standards for the
national And we were, we were running at

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about 200% of capacity because of the
tight scheduling that you did. And

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you had remember in your office you
had all of these books up along the

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wall, among the plants that you had in
there. She had the most healthy

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environment that you can imagine with
all the plants that she grew. Um,

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tell us how you, how you, how you did
all this with without computers. And

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before the days of computers, I think
it's probably almost impossible to

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explain it. I got used to where people
like to be and you'd think with all

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the classes that would be too much to
remember. But somehow it always came

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out right and and everybody was so
satisfied. I also recall that if any of

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our faculty members had a disability
of any type, that you always made

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sure that they were scheduled in a
room that was close to their office and

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and many other very personal things
like that. So everything like that

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entered in and they were so
appreciative, but it was long and hard to, to

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figure all of them out. I'm sure you
have some other interesting stories

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you'd like to tell us about issues or
anything else that comes to mind

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that would you like to share with us
story that's connected with the

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classrooms is that, and I forget
exactly what year it was. But the federal

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government contacted a issue and said,
you're in trouble. You have been

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putting too many students in in
certain classrooms.

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And when we checked it through, what
they were talking about, the room was

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plenty large. The chairs were plenty,
but there were not enough doors for

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them to leave by if there was an
emergency. And so they told us that we

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had to cut the number back and that
until the doors were put in, well,

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administration and you may have been
in on that. Um, I don't know. They

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convinced them that since we had to go
through the state of Arizona to get

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money, that it was not possible to do
it until they had time to meet and

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so forth. So they gave us a deadline
to do it. Well, somehow it fell

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through the cracks and the next year
or the next time they came, we still

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were scheduling with the same number
of doors and

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they, the administration didn't didn't
couldn't locate a record. And I

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remember when the president himself
called me and said, madeleine tell us

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what we've done wrong. Um, I explained
it to him and I said, but I have no

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proof of this. I said, I can't give
you any documentation. He says, if you

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tell us, we believe it will take care
of it and they did, who were some of

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the, the, the other people that you
worked with during your, your various

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years in in in all the different
positions. You held any special people or

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persons that come to mind. There was
just so many and you knew about

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everybody I guess I knew, I knew I
knew practically everybody on campus

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and uh I had

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reached a point where I was even
invited to come to the higher ups

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remember our meetings and so forth. So
it you know, it's really hard to

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start naming names. But were you, were
you in the the registrar's office

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when they kind of moved over into
computerizing all of the records and yes

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, and almost lost my mind. We had
Ronald Reagan that came to A S. U. And

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convinced us that he was representing
the computer that we should have and

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so forth and a issue agreed to try it.
He said that Ronald Reagan, I

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wanted you to introduce computers. You
mean the Ronald Reagan? The Ronald

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Reagan, yes, came to a, he was working
for General Electric

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20 mule team Borax Borax also. He went
from a movie star to general

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electric to becoming a political
person. The first computer on campus was

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the one thing. Uh and I don't know if
you want this or not. When the, when

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he left the White House, he had foul
things up so much for us that we

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finally had left that system. And so
when he left the White House, he came

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to a S. U. And I was told and I assume
it's true that he gave the

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commencement exercise free of charge
because we said he was trying to get

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rid of his guilty conscience.

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You had to go through the telephone
system at that time. You couldn't you

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you put it into a computer, but it
went into the telephone system and

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somehow worked. We had so many
temperamental things that happened. The

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business office had their records run
during the daytime and we had ours

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run during the night. All of a sudden
the computer quit working our

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records and uh nobody could figure out
why. Well when they did find out,

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it turned out that they had started
turning the lights off when they went

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home at night. The computer was
supposed to run, the computer wouldn't run

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with the lights off. Mhm. And so after
we almost were the to the point we

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didn't think we could recover why they
discovered that and things did get

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a little better. But eventually they
didn't stay with that computer. Can

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you compare that to what the process
was like at the time that that you

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retired, Although you weren't actually
in the registrar's office at that

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time. But and things have become
pretty well computerized by that time, I

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assume completely computerized. Yes.
So that it it was very simple in

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comparison to what it had been in the
very beginning, even though we had

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thousands of students more and even
online registration, which never would

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have been thought of back at the time
you began your No, no, every

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everything was manual when you were in
the registrar's office and in

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charge of making sure the grades got
out on time. Did you ever have any

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interesting story or event or anything
that might have happened during

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that time period? I have a great
story. I used to call the professors. If

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they didn't get their grades in on
time, I would call them no matter what

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time of the night it was even because
we were there working when the

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grades were due on friday, we had to
process them on saturday and into

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sunday if we had to arrangements were
made with the post office so that

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the grades could be taken over and put
into the mail because the students

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had to start re registering on sunday
or on Tuesday. And uh, that was just

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impossible if anybody didn't have
their grades in. But this professor, I

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called him, he was in bed and I told
him that we had to have those grades.

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We couldn't wait till morning. And he
got out of bed and came over and he

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said to me, please don't call me at
home anymore. My wife doesn't believe

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it was the office. And uh, I told him,
I'm sorry if you don't have yours

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in on time next next semester, you're
gonna hear from me again, Just just

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for the record. I never did get a call
from Madeline at home.

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Well, was there any other notable
achievement that you'd like to tell us

00:21:25.990 --> 00:21:29.786
about? Or let's see, were you you were
there at the time when A. S. U. Was

00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:36.207
trying to move to university status?
Oh yes. Oh yes. There was many things

00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:43.786
that were going on, I don't recall On
that particular one. At least you

00:21:43.819 --> 00:21:47.086
weren't in the middle of that battle.
Right. Well I guess everyone, you

00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:53.986
know, we were it was Arizona State
College when I started. And so yes, we

00:21:54.019 --> 00:21:58.536
we knew what was going on and
everything, but we we were a little distant

00:21:58.569 --> 00:22:01.107
from that

00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:05.726
as a issue grew and became larger and
larger and larger. What are what are

00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.326
some of the challenges that you faced
in the in the various offices that

00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:13.296
you were in, either in the registrar's
office or in academic room

00:22:13.329 --> 00:22:18.326
scheduling, any, anything happened to
come to mind. There is a particular

00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:25.467
challenge that you faced. Well the not
in those particular areas uh Per se

00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:33.387
I found that everybody on campus had
to be involved in something so that

00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:40.746
my job as it normally would have been,
became very large and and

00:22:40.779 --> 00:22:48.779
complicated. I wondered if somebody
else ever came in on my job, what kind

00:22:48.890 --> 00:22:55.107
of a problem they were going to run
into? I did things like athletic

00:22:55.140 --> 00:23:00.967
eligibility and uh they

00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:08.127
that was complicated, you had to
decide, you had to two itemized paperwork

00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:16.160
on students complete history before he
could play as an athlete. And uh,

00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:25.407
yep was, we had a great coach, but one
who would wait till the last minute

00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:32.236
frank kush called secretary called me
one night at five o'clock and wanted

00:23:32.269 --> 00:23:37.996
me to clear one of the students for
Saturday playing well that takes a

00:23:38.029 --> 00:23:41.836
good hour and a half or more to, to
clear one of the students. And I said

00:23:41.869 --> 00:23:49.286
, I just can't do it. My husband and I
have plans and etcetera and his

00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:55.016
secretary turned and told frank what I
had said. Well, he had a pretty

00:23:55.049 --> 00:24:03.049
good vocal quality and um, and he let
out a stream of, of words that we

00:24:04.180 --> 00:24:10.046
won't mention here on the telephone.
And, and, and he came to the phone

00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:18.079
then and when he said Madeline and I
said frank, I love you too. And

00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:26.506
needless to say he was pretty handy at
convincing you, you should do what

00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:33.697
he wants to do. So well into the
evening. I finished that up so that his

00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:39.697
boy could play. My husband was not
happy. But I'm sure frank was and they

00:24:39.730 --> 00:24:43.167
probably won because he won most of
the games that they played, he won, he

00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:48.506
won most of the games. And one of the
other,

00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:53.957
uh, situations that I seem to develop
that I'm not sure was a part of my

00:24:53.990 --> 00:25:00.667
job was a close contact with our
campus security and they called me

00:25:00.700 --> 00:25:07.167
anytime they needed to run a student
down or or if a student had a problem

00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:13.417
and so forth. Or sometimes the
students had to have records taken to the

00:25:13.450 --> 00:25:21.450
courts for certain ah problems that
had developed one way or another and I

00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:29.347
did this so much that eventually
campus security who had Chief Duffy at

00:25:29.380 --> 00:25:36.697
that time and he was a wonderful
person uh presented me with captain's

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bars and I had a code number that was
six, so two, so when they came to

00:25:45.309 --> 00:25:50.976
pick me up and take me into the court
with the records and They would call

00:25:51.009 --> 00:25:57.437
into the office and say we have just
picked up 602 and never a name was

00:25:57.470 --> 00:26:05.387
used and felt very official. Mhm. Well
tell us a story about the

00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:09.326
commencement and how you, how you
worked with commencement and what some

00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.707
of your responsibilities were.

00:26:12.740 --> 00:26:19.806
Well from many years it was the
registrar's responsibility to take care of

00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:26.397
the lineups for graduation and so
forth. And the faculty members were

00:26:26.430 --> 00:26:32.986
required to attend if they didn't
attend, they got a nice little letter

00:26:33.019 --> 00:26:39.437
from the president, we had to turn
their names in, so I seem to always end

00:26:39.470 --> 00:26:42.407
up with the faculty

00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:48.157
rather than the students and I would
go to the graduation. I had a list of

00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:54.006
everybody who had to be there. I would
go down the road checking them off

00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:59.056
when I get clear to close to the end,
I would look back and half of them

00:26:59.089 --> 00:27:02.707
were gone

00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:10.286
And uh the uh for a week or so after
that, every time I passed a faculty

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:18.006
member on the campus, they'd holler
checking in, checking in. That's

00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.407
a great story.

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You were also in charge of residency
requirements that sometime any,

00:27:28.150 --> 00:27:33.437
anything interesting happened in that
regard. Oh yes. I when the student

00:27:33.470 --> 00:27:37.637
came in while they were classified by
either the admission section or the

00:27:37.670 --> 00:27:42.786
record section, depending on whether
they were new or re admitting. And

00:27:42.819 --> 00:27:47.637
but if they were made of nonresidents,
they had a the opportunity to

00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:54.877
appeal. And I was selected be one of
the chairpersons that would make the

00:27:54.910 --> 00:28:00.397
decision as to whether the residency
had been classified correct. One day

00:28:00.430 --> 00:28:06.806
when I was walking over to the
Memorial Union where it was being held,

00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:12.806
two boys fell in behind me and they
were visiting as they walked over and

00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:19.467
one of the young men said, I'll get
residency this time. Your dad gave me

00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:26.107
a sworn statement that I had been here
all summer working for him and and

00:28:26.140 --> 00:28:32.367
etcetera, etcetera. I am the other
boys that my dad is that. And he says

00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:40.400
yes, yes, he says I'll get that old
bitty this time. And uh and anyway,

00:28:41.289 --> 00:28:46.197
they continued to follow me over to
the Memorial Union when I turned and

00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:50.816
started to go up the stairs, they
turned and started up the stairs behind

00:28:50.849 --> 00:28:57.967
me and I went around and sat down in
the chairman's spot and they sat down

00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:04.746
where they should be. Well I call
their name, I said I called his name. I

00:29:04.779 --> 00:29:09.296
said you can present your case now and
he says I believe I'll withdraw it

00:29:09.329 --> 00:29:15.976
thank you. They realized that I had
heard every word they said as as we

00:29:16.009 --> 00:29:21.707
walked over out of your many many
accomplishments at A. S. U. What do you

00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:24.157
think is the one that might have given
you the greatest amount of

00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:27.236
satisfaction or position that gave you
the greatest amount of satisfaction

00:29:27.269 --> 00:29:31.907
? Oh my

00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:39.940
I loved working there from the time I
I went and all. Ah I really enjoyed

00:29:41.450 --> 00:29:47.236
being a part of the registrar's
office. I felt like I was needed and I

00:29:47.269 --> 00:29:52.907
think that was more important than
anything else.

00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:57.937
How do you feel that the the
university changed from 1953 when you came

00:29:57.970 --> 00:30:04.756
until you retired in 1989. Ah What
what are the most significant changes

00:30:04.789 --> 00:30:09.776
that you think occurred in the
institution during that time period?

00:30:09.809 --> 00:30:15.996
That's hard to say because everything
was changing and especially with the

00:30:16.029 --> 00:30:22.736
computer, maybe the computer was
probably the biggest. Yes. Yes, we grew

00:30:22.769 --> 00:30:29.806
tremendously and of course it got more
difficult to take care of. So many.

00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.697
Well you had a lot of challenges
because I know that a lot of times the

00:30:32.730 --> 00:30:36.086
number of students that we increased
each year was larger than than some

00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.816
universities in total and so somehow
some way we just absorbed all those

00:30:40.849 --> 00:30:45.536
and work together. What what kind of
advice would you give a young person

00:30:45.569 --> 00:30:49.407
if they were thinking about a career
at issue.

00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:57.440
Oh I I would be right behind. They're
going to A S. U. My daughter went

00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:06.140
there and it was marvelous and she
became a teacher and and four filled

00:31:06.430 --> 00:31:13.786
all of our wishes and I even got a
purpose. The fact that I worked with

00:31:13.819 --> 00:31:18.637
the education department so much why
they needed a student to teach how to

00:31:18.670 --> 00:31:26.226
drive and craig Grover says we'll do
it we'll take your daughter. And so

00:31:26.259 --> 00:31:31.637
they took her out and gave her
driver's lessons and even went up what is

00:31:31.670 --> 00:31:39.670
it the mountain there by the football
field? Uh Yeah they drove her even

00:31:40.269 --> 00:31:45.296
up that path and all of this. I
thought man drove up there. I said she got

00:31:45.329 --> 00:31:49.256
the best experience that she could
have ever gotten in her life. I didn't

00:31:49.289 --> 00:31:52.296
realize you could even drive cars up
there. I didn't either. That's

00:31:52.329 --> 00:31:56.026
amazing. I didn't either. I probably
wouldn't have let her probably have

00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:01.417
to back back down you know. Well what
has occupied your your years now

00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:03.976
that you've been retired and what are
the kinds of things you've been

00:32:04.009 --> 00:32:10.847
involved with? Well I of course stayed
with the retirees association and

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:18.880
uh I became the 7th president and how
white with my vice president

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:27.440
I am. We went to a lot of meetings we
went to the capital and And meetings

00:32:27.930 --> 00:32:33.657
that were held on Campus one one night
when we were at a meeting on campus.

00:32:33.690 --> 00:32:41.347
Why? Ah Rudy Campbell came walking up
and put his arms around me and gave

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:49.380
me a big hug and howls looked shocked.
And when Rudy left, he said, I said

00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:54.506
, I've known Rudy for a long time. He
said, well, I didn't know you knew

00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:57.566
him that well.

00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.316
Would he have been married about that
time? Would Rudy have been mayor of

00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:07.157
Tempe at the time that that happened?
I think this was after he was mayor

00:33:07.190 --> 00:33:14.187
after that point, but he's one of my
favorite people also. Well, he served

00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:19.286
the university well, just just as you
have, can you think of any other

00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.367
stories or things that you'd like to
share with us? I'm sure that there

00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.306
must be something that I've missed
along the way. But if you can think of

00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:30.516
anything else you'd like to share
enjoyed while I was there when jerry

00:33:30.549 --> 00:33:38.549
Lewis came and made a movie, the nutty
professor on campus and, and he had

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:45.697
some of our students in the movie. And
uh after it was all over, he flew

00:33:45.730 --> 00:33:51.857
in a band from California and had a
big party over in sun devil stadium

00:33:51.890 --> 00:33:58.016
and it was the small stadium at that
time and that must have created a few

00:33:58.049 --> 00:34:01.597
interesting challenges for you in
terms of room scheduling and that sort

00:34:01.630 --> 00:34:05.617
of thing when he was there definitely
because the agricultural building

00:34:05.650 --> 00:34:13.650
had to be cleared. And uh, so it uh,
it was, but he served, he served

00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.267
cokes and something hot dogs wasn't, I
couldn't remember what the second

00:34:19.300 --> 00:34:24.177
thing was, but for the, for that, of
course we weren't as large a campus

00:34:24.210 --> 00:34:29.037
at that time. I have to admit
Madeline. We thank you so much for taking

00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:32.796
time to allow us to interview you
well. You certainly had a fantastic

00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:36.497
impact on the institution. You did so
many things, you do so many people

00:34:36.530 --> 00:34:40.586
and you just kind of were the glue
that kind of held everything together

00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:44.776
and we appreciate you and we know that
issue is a better place because you

00:34:44.809 --> 00:34:47.677
were there

00:34:47.710 --> 00:34:55.710
and I couldn't have done it without
you.

00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:05.407
Mhm,

00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:12.307
mm hmm.

00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:14.340
Okay.