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I'm mary Logan, ralph child. I came to a S. U. In 1975 as an assistant

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professor in the history department. I
am now professor emeritus to, I've

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been retired since 2007, my name is
Herman are fraser and uh I was

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actively involved and employed at
Arizona State University from 1979 until

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2000 when I departed to take a
position at the University of Alabama

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Birmingham. As the athletics director
at that time. My name is martin Monk.

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When I retired, I was a professor of
chemistry uh in the, which is now

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the school of Molecular sciences. It
was then the department of chemistry

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and biochemistry. My name is Winifred
Walsh Doan. I was a professor of

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zoology when I retired From ASU in
1998.

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My name is Gary Klieman. I've had
several positions. Um I was the director

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of the learning, I was the director of
faculty development, I was the

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director of the portfolio initiatives
and the director of lifelong

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learning at the polytechnic campus. At
the time I retired, I was also a

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faculty member in the College of
Engineering Technology and Innovation.

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Hello, I was formerly the university
librarian at A S. U. That was a

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title change from Dean of the
University Libraries

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Herman when you stood on the olympic
podium and you received your gold

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medal for the four by four relay um
four by 400. Um and then also your

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bronze medal. What was it like to
stand on that podium knowing that you

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were the best at that sport that day
in the world. Well a lot of people

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tell me I was lucky um because as I
stated earlier, I didn't start running

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until I was a senior, I come to
Arizona state in 1974 and then in 1976, 2

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years later I'm getting a gold medal
in the bronze medal in the Olympics.

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So that really doesn't happen. Um you
normally hear people say, well I

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trained for 20 years, I trained for 10
years and I got this metal, well I

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was fortunate to to be able to do that
and also because I had transferred

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um I was only a junior in college here
in Arizona state and so I then had

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an opportunity to come back for my
senior year of college, so when I'm on

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that podium and I was the only one in
college who was on the relay that

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got the gold medal and Then I received
the bronze medal, which meant I was

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ranked 3rd in the world. And one of
the things I I used that terminology

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was for when I came back to school and
I would speak to people here in the

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community and or students and high
schools and things like that because at

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that point the sons weren't any good,
there were no cardinals, there were

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no mercury, there was no, there was a
whole lot of things, so a S. U.

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Sports were it and um when I was in
college, if I ran a real good race

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over here at Joslyn track it would be
on the front page of the sports um

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in the Arizona republic or the phoenix
gazette and I would always say

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above the fold because when you open
up the paper and it's above the fold

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, that means just the top story. And
so um we we had enough following then

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that that we carried the newspaper. So
a lot of people in this valley

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supported us um and a lot of the
things we did, but when I when I received

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that medal um to be the third best in
the world in something that was a

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true measurement, I mean we could sit
here and argue the third best person

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in development or you're the third
best person in Atlantis. But I mean at

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that point I was by the world, the
third best in the world and then when

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you get the goal you're the best in
the world. Um and so that was pretty

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cool to be honest with you and I felt
good uh for my mom and my dad and

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everybody else who was um influence
with my career. And so then as you

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know, I came back here for my senior
year of college and we were pretty

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darn good my senior year because then
we were able to recruit another guy

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from pennsylvania Tony Darden to come
in and run for Arizona state, which

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then meant that I could Could change
up and run the 100 m 200 m to 400 m

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And Tony could run the two of the
four. So my senior year, we were

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national champions. I was national
champion in the 400 and I, I still

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think to this date we might be the
only outdoor men's N. C. A. A champs

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here. Um, and so that was, that was
even better that year. We also broke

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some world records for a college team.
We broke the world record in the

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four x 2 in um, texas relays and we
came back and broke our own record in

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the penn relays. We broke, or we set a
collegiate record in the four x 4

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in the Penn Relays and we, uh, we were
national champions. So that was,

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that was pretty darn good.

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Okay, well, we were just talking about
your transition to the polytechnic

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campus and now when Exactly did you
come and why I came in 1995, um, I was

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looking for some new opportunities
because as I said before, um, I enjoyed

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doing the research, but I missed the
people and it was an opportunity to

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be involved in the startup of a new
campus, which was, to me just was a

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golden opportunity. It was a year
before. We had students at the campus,

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as I know, you will recall. I've never
started up a new campus before.

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I've never been involved with the,
starting a new campus, How do we do

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this, what do we do? And particularly
once I got there discovering that

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there we're no resources

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to speak of. And so it was a matter of
taking this old Air Force base and

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reusing it, re converting it, figuring
out how to make it work. I remember

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walking through buildings with terry,
pulling the spider webs out of the

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way uh in seeing what was available um
And how we might use those

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facilities with students. And and of
course at that point we had no

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concept of how many students would
show up um what the academic programs

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which were you were working on, how
all this was going to work. Uh So my

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expectation was whoa! Um you know,
buckle your seatbelt, it's gonna be a

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bumpy ride but it's gonna be fun. So
what I saw when I showed up out there

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, well first of all um I could park
right in front of my office which was

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not the case at the Tempe campus. Um I
was given an office in the old um

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um Adjutant general of the courtroom
for the and my office was the jury

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room. I had this very long narrow
office with my own private restroom

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there and I'm going okay whatever
works works. Uh And it was it was, it

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was challenging. Um The the job
description was at best ill defined, it

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was, we need to do whatever we need to
do uh to make things work, but it

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was wonderful. What were your first
responsibilities? It was working with

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terry uh to try and develop um support
programs for the campus, and so we

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had um inherited um I can't remember
900 family homes, uh four dormitory

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buildings, um um no food service, uh

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no transportation system between the
Tempe campus and the polytechnic

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campus. Um

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We had to develop all of these
programs, we had to get the dormitories

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ready to house students, um The houses
we were trying to get those ready

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uh to use, um and yet they had to go
under under under environmental. Um

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there was the best asbestos and lead
in the dirt of some of the houses

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were built over an old firing range,
so there were lots of lead bullets in

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in the ground and they couldn't be
occupied until they got the lead out of

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the dirt. And anyway, there's all
kinds of challenges like that. Um the

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residents halls were designed for
officers, um and they had, they didn't

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really have, they had sort of many
kitchens, we had no food service, that

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was one of the big challenges is how
to get food service to service a very

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limited population with no money. And
so we had negotiations with the um

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at that time was Sodexo Marriott um
and we did get a food service out

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there, One of the nice things about
that time and about the poly campus

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was the esprit de corps of the the
folks that came out there as pioneers.

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Um You know some of us have the scars
on our backs to show that we were

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pioneers but the fact that we worked
well together I have to credit chuck

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bacchus and yourself in terms of
helping build and and provide that esprit

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decor for the campus and for all of
the staff that was working there

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figuring out how we make things work.
Um I mean you know one of the things

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that we did um and chuck was was very
helpful whole bunch of people is we

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took the officer's club and made it
into the student union. Um and you

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know we had to figure out what to do
with all the bar space because we

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weren't serving drinks but uh it was
it was a challenge to be able to do

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that. Um And and so that would be the
biggest surprise was the limited

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resources and yet the the way we all
pitched in and we made things happen

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right from the very beginning
literally my first week on campus, I was

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involved in organizing the women's
studies. What would become the women's

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studies program. What is now women and
gender studies at A. S. U. First

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granddaughter was born on my own
personal holiday, which is Susan B.

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Anthony's birthday which is February
the 15th and I will tell the story

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about Susan B. Anthony's birthday
because I told her to students every

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year It was February 15 which is Susan
B. Anthony's birthday. I was in

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Seattle, I was the director of women's
studies, I had a three year old, I

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had a Volvo station wagon and it was a
great car and I was driving back

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and forth to Tacoma. It's a fabulous
car. But every once in a while it

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would inexplicably flood. And then you
just had to sit there and wait

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until the gas disappeared and you
would start again driving two ups one

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day and driving home and I always had
this other student with me,

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student's name was also mary. So one
day we were bringing in another

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student to the airport on our way home
because Seattle Tacoma airport is

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right between them, the two cities and
we stopped at the garage to let her

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off and I turned the car on and it
flooded and I was so angry and mary

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said oh they have rental cars here. I
bet there's a mechanic, I'll run

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down and find somebody. So she runs
down and she gets a mechanic. He comes

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up, he opens the hood of the car which
I've never done before in my life

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and he does these screw nut, butterfly
nut things whatever above the

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carburetor and takes the air filter
off. I turn the key the car goes, he

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puts it back together, he won't even
take a tip and we go off and mary

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says to me, this bright young student
isn't that fantastic now, you know

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how to fix it and I'm thinking yeah
right honey, um this was at a time

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when I'd never even put gas in a car
that was in like october november.

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Fast forward to february the 15th, I
was buying the groceries, it's

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raining because it's february the 15th
in Seattle, I got the groceries in

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the car, I turned the car on, it was
flooded, I was so angry and then I

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thought it's Susan b Anthony's
birthday. If your students knew that you

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were calling your husband to do
something, he doesn't know how to do that

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, you were going to have to tell him
to do, they would be so disappointed

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in you! Open up the back, found the
tools which I thought actually was an

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enormous step forward because I've
never done that before. I opened the

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hood the very first time I had opened
the hood and I saw this thing that

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with these four okay, I think they're
called Wingnuts something. Anyway,

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there like that and I took him off.
Meanwhile a guy is coming from across

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this big parking lot with a sack of
heart from ernst hardware, local

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hardware store with a big sack of
hardware and he's looking at me and I

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unscrew these four screw wing nut
things and I take the and I get in the

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car and I turn it on and the car runs
and I'm like whoa I am so empowered.

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But then I get back to put it back
together and now things are moving and

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put everything back the screws back
on, we took the hood and put it down.

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But this time the guy was right up to
the car and he said well he said I

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was gonna offer to come help but you
really look like you know what you're

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doing And I said yes, I think it's
important for women to know how to fix

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their cars.

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The biggest show of chutzpah I've ever
shown in my life and I got in the

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car and I flew home and from that day
on I've celebrated Susan B.

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Anthony's birthday which is February
the 15th, my own personal holiday. So

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I would use that story every every
year on Susan B Anthony's birthday I

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would tell my women's history class,
you try to do something you've never

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done before because of gender roles.
By the end of my career students

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couldn't think of things and that is
probably as good as summation of my

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life's path as anything because that's
how much change there was there are

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still gender differences, but there
are precious few now And most 18 to 20

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year two year olds haven't experienced
them. So that's um that's probably

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a good place to end. Um Susan B.
Anthony's birthday February 15.

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The person that hired me was the I
think he was called the director of the

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Physical Physical Sciences, they had a
director of Physical sciences and

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Life Sciences. His name was George
Bateman actually the building the

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physical science complex is named
after George Bateman. So when I came out

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to interview, George was my host, I
stated his home, he asked me to send

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him my expenses, which I did and I'm
still waiting for a check. We had a

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series probably about five or 6
lectures each each year and one year as a

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program chairman. And it turns out
that we would get money from the

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american Chemical Society as well as
from dues uh that people paid. And at

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the end of the year the tradition had
been that any extra money went to

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fund a dinner dance for members of the
section. And it turns out I and

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some other people like carl and more
and some others felt that was

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probably a better way to spend that
money. And we suggested that instead

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of having a dinner dance we would put
the money toward a annual

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lectureship and try to bring in a
distinguished person.

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And we approached the department of
chemistry lever Iran at that time and

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asked if they would co sponsor the
series And they did and in 1960 for the

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distinguished lecture series was
inaugurated and we agreed the committee

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agreed that our first speaker or
normal speaker would be Linus Pauling,

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Linus Pauling was a two time nobel
laureate, both in chemistry and in

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peace. Very distinguished fellow at
caltech. And so we invited him, we

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have a generous honorarium and he
accepted and we told him that we would

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like him to give two lectures. One a
scientific lecture colloquium in the

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department of Chemistry and one
lecture uh which would be a general, a

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general topic open to the public. It
was our way of doing some outreach

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into the community. So he accepted and
we told him you could choose your

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your topics. So for the scientific
lecture, he wanted to talk about sickle

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cell anemia and he had played an
important role in uh working on that

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disease. And he said for his general
talk, he would like to talk, he gave

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a different topic. But basically it
was on nuclear disarmament. In fact it

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was on unilateral nuclear disarmament.
Well, I was I was pleased when

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Linus Pauling accepted, I thought it
was great. Well, I was wrong. It

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wasn't so great because when the
newspapers got wind of the lecture in the

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topics

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and some legislators found out about
it. They were not very happy about

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that. And

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some of the people that work with me
started to disassociate themselves a

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little bit and ah President Durham who
had agreed to interview to

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introduce him, I found that he had a
more pressing engagement. In fact no

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official of the university would would
introduce him. So we had to have

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the chairman of the central Arizona
section introduced

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introduced him. I was really pretty
anxious. I had just been there a

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couple of years. I was an untenable
assistant professor and I started to

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get a little worried. But fortunately,
fortunately Leroy hiring stepped in

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and he contacted some people in the
university that he knew people that

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were sympathetic to this sort of thing
to allowing people to come in speak.

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And he actually found some people in
the community that we're university

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minded people. In fact, one was a, the
state of Arizona Supreme Court

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Justice. Uh Leroy said that we're
going to have this lecture. If it can't

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be on campus, we'll have it off
campus. But actually we did have it on

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campus and it was extremely well
attended. In fact, we had a pipe, the,

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the lecture into a second, into a
second group. We use the largest lecture

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room in the university. It was a very
thought provoking, uh an inspiring

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lecturer. I don't, I'm not sure he
changed the minds of very many people,

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if any, but uh and there's a lot of
grist for the newspapers as well. But

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I felt I felt very good about it, as
many people on campus did. And I felt

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the university grew a little bit that
day. Maybe even the state of Arizona

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grew a little bit thatday