WEBVTT 00:00:10.140 --> 00:00:12.140 my name is, uh robert Oliver. I've sometimes known as bob Oliver and I was 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:22.407 a professor at a issue in the college of Architecture. It was known then 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:28.857 And it was there for 25 years. Born in a little town in Anaconda Montana. 00:00:28.890 --> 00:00:36.186 Where the Anaconda Copper was smelted date was 1919, November 10. It's 00:00:36.219 --> 00:00:42.387 probably just when they established veterans day after that. It is Because 00:00:42.420 --> 00:00:48.167 for all these some 88 years I've been going under the birth date of 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:54.537 November the 11th because I was born at midnight And my mother and dad had 00:00:54.570 --> 00:01:00.836 a daughter, a daughter, my oldest sister who was born on four July. So 00:01:00.869 --> 00:01:05.406 they figured that's kind of patriotic. We'll just put November the 11th 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:10.456 Until the government caught up with me here a couple of years ago and said 00:01:10.489 --> 00:01:18.489 you were born on the 11th. You were born on the 10th. We got prove it. So 00:01:21.939 --> 00:01:27.007 can you remember any of your early life when you were young? They're in 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:35.040 Montana. Well, it was a typical small town kids playground, you might say 00:01:36.180 --> 00:01:43.897 . I went to small grade school and outside the grade school across the 00:01:43.930 --> 00:01:49.186 street was a big city block that the company froze over every winter into 00:01:49.219 --> 00:01:56.376 a skating rink. So my winters were spent skating on the rink and the 00:01:56.409 --> 00:02:02.206 summers were spent swimming in beaver ponds up in the creek, up north of 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.607 town. And 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:11.707 I did everything little kids did growing up played the street had bonfires 00:02:11.740 --> 00:02:17.647 of autumn leaves in the street, played baseball in the street until our 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:22.487 folks called us in at night. Yeah the company town. So we had we had a 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:27.367 streetcar that ran from the east end of the west end of town to the east 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:31.987 end of town and ended up with the smelter. So every day you hear the 00:02:32.020 --> 00:02:35.606 trolley car go down with all the workers and come back with all the 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.217 workers on each shift. 00:02:39.250 --> 00:02:44.506 It wasn't, it was a copper, It was mined in Butte Montana and refined 00:02:44.539 --> 00:02:50.087 Anaconda which was 25 miles. So you had the big smokestack there? Yeah, I 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:55.217 was still there too still working. No, no the smell is all gone. It's just 00:02:55.250 --> 00:02:59.867 empty, empty field. He knows more about than I do. But we had three 00:02:59.900 --> 00:03:05.867 schools, one on the east end, one of the west end and one in the middle 00:03:05.900 --> 00:03:12.656 and one in high school, one Junior High School and the town was full of 00:03:12.689 --> 00:03:20.506 Austrian workers from Austria. And so they were all in one end of the town 00:03:20.539 --> 00:03:24.617 and then there was this the office workers seemed to congregate in the 00:03:24.650 --> 00:03:29.916 middle part of the town. On the other end of the town of the executive and 00:03:29.949 --> 00:03:37.949 the executives were upwind and the blue collar was down. Oh schooling. 00:03:38.180 --> 00:03:44.256 Tell us about your school what favorite subject. What stands out, 00:03:44.289 --> 00:03:51.807 indicated you had some talent or? Well I didn't really realize I had any 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.527 talent or propensity to do anything. I did the usual thing that kids do. I 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:03.647 had electric train and we built cities for the train and and I had a big, 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:08.476 big, tremendous sandbox. Then we used to build cities and do things in 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:16.509 sandbox. So my early interest must have come drawing ideas for that, but I 00:04:16.689 --> 00:04:24.689 never realized I had the, the talent to draw or the paint they ultimately 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:33.879 had, I was just another kid on the street, did you 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:40.996 circumstances dictated to be moved to san Francisco because my dad was at 00:04:41.029 --> 00:04:46.627 that time with another company and he was on the road and his headquarters 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:52.406 were out of san Francisco. So we moved to san Francisco, a nice family 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:57.606 four years and well, you know, for years to high school in San Francisco, 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:03.056 a very nice high school called Lowell High School, some of their graduates 00:05:03.089 --> 00:05:09.377 for alexander calder and rube Goldberg and a few other very famous people. 00:05:09.410 --> 00:05:14.096 Then I went from there to Berkeley UC Berkeley and started out an 00:05:14.129 --> 00:05:20.017 electrical engineer and I didn't like it too well. And I was sitting in a 00:05:20.050 --> 00:05:25.067 physics class one day and looked over the shoulder of some guys in front 00:05:25.100 --> 00:05:30.207 of me and they were drawing house plans and I said what kind of classes? 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:35.437 That, that's one of our architectural courses? I said well you do that and 00:05:35.470 --> 00:05:40.757 you can go to college and do that. I said, yeah, take me to your 00:05:40.790 --> 00:05:45.406 colleagues. So after class I went over and changed my major, 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:51.017 it was an architect ever since high school, I didn't I didn't pick up on 00:05:51.050 --> 00:05:58.467 art at all. I I didn't like the art teacher and I didn't really get in 00:05:58.500 --> 00:06:05.806 contact with art actually in architecture, we had to render our projects 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.236 as the old boss art school did. And that's where we were introduced to 00:06:10.269 --> 00:06:15.416 watercolor, but no formal training, just what the professors didn't know. 00:06:15.449 --> 00:06:20.356 We learned. They weren't very good here, but we picked it up mostly at 00:06:20.389 --> 00:06:26.476 that out of books and things and just taught ourselves. And as a matter of 00:06:26.509 --> 00:06:34.509 fact, I did take a course and uh art from the art teacher and she was 00:06:34.529 --> 00:06:40.906 trying to make an abstract artist out of me, which I didn't understand, 00:06:40.939 --> 00:06:43.906 look at me now, 00:06:43.939 --> 00:06:47.866 but she kicked me out of the class. And you know, I never did have any 00:06:47.899 --> 00:06:55.406 formal art education 00:06:55.439 --> 00:07:01.447 because while I was there or just no, just after I left, they they had 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:07.627 been in the old shingle building, that used to be the offices of May, he 00:07:07.660 --> 00:07:14.717 may beck used to be his offices in all single building. And it's kind of 00:07:14.750 --> 00:07:20.627 what put me off because it had a lot of plaster casts on the outside the 00:07:20.660 --> 00:07:27.707 building or from greek greek buildings and I didn't like that old stuff. 00:07:27.740 --> 00:07:31.897 So I didn't, that's why I didn't go to our condition until they took me 00:07:31.930 --> 00:07:37.647 over there and I went inside and it was all redwood inside and it was on 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:43.007 levels going up the hill and beautiful big drafting rooms where the kids 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:48.476 all had their radios, hung their clothes, They lived there as you know in 00:07:48.509 --> 00:07:53.736 architecture, you live there and and a big gallery where they would jury 00:07:53.769 --> 00:08:00.106 that that works. I think I went over there and 00:08:00.139 --> 00:08:08.139 38 to the war, I got out in 40, 38, 00:08:08.550 --> 00:08:13.777 when I went in the service john I think you finished it after you left and 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:19.786 then I came back and finished in 48 something like so 00:08:19.819 --> 00:08:23.926 students were reading magazines so they could do their projects. What kind 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:31.176 of magazine? What was the current in vogue style? Who are the architects 00:08:31.209 --> 00:08:39.209 of note? Nitra Nitra, Very big influence on me. Uh my architecture would 00:08:39.690 --> 00:08:46.606 show they look about like Albita locally same kind of architecture, right 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:53.626 ? Nobody there really gotten to write very much. We had a few houses but 00:08:53.659 --> 00:08:56.807 by right graduates 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.787 but they didn't cotton to him very much. I got my bachelor's and went to 00:09:01.820 --> 00:09:08.207 war for three years and came back and got my masters. 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:13.126 Okay. So did they have a B. Ark or they had a four year and then a five 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:20.457 year program? Master's degree manufacturers back B. A. And M. A. So you 00:09:20.490 --> 00:09:27.547 come back for a year? Uh Yeah. Yeah. Any notable professors that you had 00:09:27.580 --> 00:09:34.907 there that change your life is a big hero. Oh I know eric Mendelssohn. 00:09:34.940 --> 00:09:40.126 He was very well known came from Germany and he was my professor in 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:46.356 graduate school. I forgot all about that. Yeah. And an interesting 00:09:46.389 --> 00:09:51.417 anecdote about him, he had a practice in san Francisco but he couldn't 00:09:51.450 --> 00:09:57.457 drive because he couldn't see but the damn either. And we would allow to 00:09:57.490 --> 00:10:02.547 take turns going over across the bridge, picking him up, bring him over to 00:10:02.580 --> 00:10:07.876 the studio, go across the street to the local drugstore and get him an ice 00:10:07.909 --> 00:10:13.287 cream soda and then they need to hold forth with this ice cream soda and 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:18.657 give us critiques all afternoon and he couldn't see but he had these big 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:24.927 glasses and he'd go all over your drawing like this Mm and he just study 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:30.246 the whole thing for about 15 minutes when he got through he said let's 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:36.177 talk about it. And that was an interesting experience. And I then 00:10:36.210 --> 00:10:41.506 subsequent to that, it's bragging a little bit. I was looking for a job 00:10:41.539 --> 00:10:46.356 because I graduated and I got one with an architect in san Francisco who 00:10:46.389 --> 00:10:51.707 was a very run of the mill ordinary but offered me a pretty good job as a 00:10:51.740 --> 00:10:56.996 designer because he had just lost his designer and good faith. And then 00:10:57.029 --> 00:11:01.457 shortly after that I get a call from ERic Mendelssohn. He says you've 00:11:01.490 --> 00:11:07.307 graduated now, when are you coming to work? 00:11:07.340 --> 00:11:11.376 And I said, well I don't know, I just took a job but I suppose I could 00:11:11.409 --> 00:11:19.409 come to work. It was first while I said how much in those days. Well I can 00:11:19.850 --> 00:11:24.407 pay for your very boat fare. 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:30.947 I said I can't live on that. Well that was the end of it. I subsequently 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:35.006 did regret it but I don't know how long it would have made. Amends meat. 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.177 Do what I finally did get a little apartment in san Francisco in the 00:11:39.210 --> 00:11:43.917 basement. Tell him the anecdote about since Mendelssohn was so blind. His 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:51.006 beautiful sketches rational. Oh well yeah that history books are full of 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:58.226 erich Mendelsohn's little drawings because he couldn't see. So the biggest 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:05.486 he can draw would be about that thing. Mhm. So all all those buildings the 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.937 genesis for all his buildings came from a sketch like that. Fabulous That 00:12:11.970 --> 00:12:18.246 was one. So he came from the well I don't know whether he was the house or 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.736 not. 00:12:22.769 --> 00:12:27.157 Yeah he was jewish 00:12:27.190 --> 00:12:34.207 hospital san Francisco that was his big claim to fame here in the states. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:42.240 And he's a real interesting person. 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:51.506 Okay so let's go to your military, you graduated from Berkeley and then 00:12:51.539 --> 00:12:56.587 you were you you weren't drafted I guess 00:12:56.620 --> 00:13:04.620 university universities all over the country ROTC. And you had to do two 00:13:04.779 --> 00:13:09.486 years of R. G. C. Your first two years in college then you were screened 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:16.547 and let's go on to upper division ROTC and if you were in opera division 00:13:16.580 --> 00:13:22.547 or you didn't get to go you have to go in the service but I didn't make 00:13:22.580 --> 00:13:30.026 the cut. So I had to spend semester in the shipyard reading blueprints 00:13:30.059 --> 00:13:36.766 because that's the only thing I could claim any knowledge of. And I spent 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:42.197 a year doing that I guess. And then I got back in the program after that I 00:13:42.230 --> 00:13:47.717 put my two years in and then qualified to go to officer's candidate school. 00:13:47.750 --> 00:13:54.657 And the rest is military. So where did you go to O. C. S. Mhm. Was it 00:13:54.690 --> 00:14:00.437 navy was no it was an artillery school back east. And the aircraft 00:14:00.470 --> 00:14:05.587 artillery in the old days when they had had floodlights. You know they'd 00:14:05.620 --> 00:14:11.116 spot airplanes in the air or the searchlights and shoot them down. Which 00:14:11.149 --> 00:14:18.817 he never did because then radio radar came in at that time. But that's 00:14:18.850 --> 00:14:22.746 where they sent me and they didn't need me anymore. So they took they sent 00:14:22.779 --> 00:14:30.126 me to the military fort Benning Georgia to make a foot soldier Alami. So I 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:35.506 became a foot soldier and were sent to a training school where I taught 00:14:35.539 --> 00:14:43.539 military tactics as an infantryman. And then I subsequently was sent 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:51.126 overseas to Manila. And that's when the war ended oriented. I was in Pearl 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:59.047 harbor when the war ended and I arrived in Manila and no place to send us 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:05.016 because they were gonna send us to Japan. So I was just cooling my heels 00:15:05.049 --> 00:15:10.516 and one day I was in downtown manila and I saw this building which is the 00:15:10.549 --> 00:15:15.026 general engineering district and I went in to see it and found out they 00:15:15.059 --> 00:15:20.256 had an architectural department, Electrical and mechanical. The whole nine 00:15:20.289 --> 00:15:26.957 yards there. So he captains and lieutenants spotted me and showed me all 00:15:26.990 --> 00:15:32.756 around. And in the meantime I had applied to be an air courier to carry 00:15:32.789 --> 00:15:38.746 documents from Manila to Australia and back. And one day I was going out 00:15:38.779 --> 00:15:44.006 to the airport to get on a plane to go and the sheep comes flying through 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:48.947 the air strip where you and some papers. And I said, what do you guys want 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:53.756 ? He says you're not going. I said why? He said no you're the chief 00:15:53.789 --> 00:15:56.636 architect 00:15:56.669 --> 00:16:02.547 engineering district. That's where I stayed for the next three years. I 00:16:02.580 --> 00:16:07.496 didn't know beans about architecture. I just got a degree that's all. But 00:16:07.529 --> 00:16:12.596 I fortunately had a graduate from Harvard who was my chief draftsman and 00:16:12.629 --> 00:16:20.197 he ran the whole show. I like to think he was a native filipino. Oh he 00:16:20.230 --> 00:16:23.707 wasn't in the military, 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:28.707 the staff we had were not military. They're all Filipinos 00:16:28.740 --> 00:16:34.776 one or 2 will I had military and the higher the electrical engineering and 00:16:34.809 --> 00:16:42.457 mechanical and all that. But the drafting department was all generated by 00:16:42.490 --> 00:16:49.087 Filipinos and they did all the design work at our guidance and but all we 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:55.407 did was designed officers clubs and and 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:01.707 hi Joanne things of that nature. Did you by any paintings? No, but if you 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:07.157 go to the Monica room. They have refreshments on your way out. Punch and 00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:13.197 strawberries and chocolate little sandwiches and his dad wasn't another 00:17:13.230 --> 00:17:16.516 offshoot of the story that the plane you were gonna get on before your 00:17:16.549 --> 00:17:21.607 orders were changed. Yeah, well, really crazy. The plane I was to get on 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:26.457 and I was on it and they took me off it and brought a new courier to take 00:17:26.490 --> 00:17:34.006 my place and that plane took off and went down in the late takeoff, 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:41.107 crashed in the water and this guy floated out on mail sacks. You tell like 00:17:41.140 --> 00:17:44.006 recovered them. 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.107 Okay, 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:53.707 that was a close call. Those 00:17:53.740 --> 00:17:58.326 okay, so you were in the Army is the head architect in Manila for three 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:04.976 years. And what year did you get out? 48, I think something like that. I 00:18:05.009 --> 00:18:09.756 was married in 50, so it must be 40, 00:18:09.789 --> 00:18:15.566 So 48 you went back and got your master's degree. That's when Mendelssohn 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:21.506 was there to Mendelssohn job, you didn't take it. So you were working in 00:18:21.539 --> 00:18:29.539 san Francisco with this run of the mill firm Then what I got married oh 00:18:30.750 --> 00:18:38.750 1950 where where did you meet Joanne met her as a boy. I was, I went for 00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:42.407 an uninvited 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:46.677 they in san Francisco at that time, they had places for young distance 00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:52.407 people to live. It was coed, they all lived in set up on pacific Heights 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:56.826 and she lived in this place, they had a dance one night and I went with 00:18:56.859 --> 00:19:03.857 some other girl spotted her. The rest is history. I 00:19:03.890 --> 00:19:08.637 just told her we would go down to Van ness avenue afterwards and have a 00:19:08.670 --> 00:19:14.407 jug of beer and I'm sitting there when I says my name is Sasha sister, I'm 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:21.996 gonna be calling you after you got married. What? Well then we lived in 00:19:22.029 --> 00:19:25.766 Marine County which is just north of san Francisco across the Golden Gate 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:33.486 Bridge and had no Children and we decided we better do something about 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:40.907 that. And coming home one day I passed a steamship line called holland 00:19:40.940 --> 00:19:46.627 american line. They had a boat called the Rain Damn, which is still not 00:19:46.660 --> 00:19:52.207 the same boats, same name still operating. I went home, told her about it. 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:58.756 And so we said okay, she was selling real estate at the time, sold our 00:19:58.789 --> 00:20:05.486 house, moved into a house boat on Sausalito on the harbor for about six 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:11.786 months, sold bonds, carl the house, everything took off for europe to be 00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:18.306 gone for the winter 00:20:18.339 --> 00:20:22.897 for the summer and hopefully get a job for the winter and then finish off 00:20:22.930 --> 00:20:30.207 the next summer. Well I had a contact in Rome is the name of style Berg, 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:34.617 he was an engineer that taught in the college of architecture 00:20:34.650 --> 00:20:42.650 and any, I uh we were traveling all over europe and found out that tell me 00:20:42.819 --> 00:20:48.986 christmas time she was pregnant. So either I had to go home or sticking 00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:55.707 through the winter somehow and finished our trip in the summer and 00:20:55.740 --> 00:21:01.556 they said well we were all going home for christmas leave so come back 00:21:01.589 --> 00:21:06.246 after christmas. So I went to Austria for a month. I lived in an attic of 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:13.306 an old hotel and I got a telegram fly romar expense which I did when I got 00:21:13.339 --> 00:21:17.907 there. There was no drafting job, but there was a two year contract 00:21:17.940 --> 00:21:24.157 two in the drafting of the architecture department as a designer. So we 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:30.937 spent two years in europe, one of them in Rome and one of them uh in 00:21:30.970 --> 00:21:38.970 Holland and I have two Children, dollar in Rome and a son in holland. What 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:46.306 kinds of firms were they? Well Rome was Arabian american oil company. 00:21:46.339 --> 00:21:50.347 I used to fly out to Arabia 00:21:50.380 --> 00:21:56.427 develop the project and bring it back and the Italians have dried up and 00:21:56.460 --> 00:22:01.246 Holland the same way they just transferred their office the same company 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:07.657 and the company. And so my first two years of architecture deep embedment 00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:15.467 of it was in roman in holland. 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:20.816 So I came home to open my office. No, we didn't come back to marin County 00:22:20.849 --> 00:22:25.877 if it came back to northern California and I set up an office in a little 00:22:25.910 --> 00:22:32.276 town called Marysville yuba city twin cities. And I was there for eight 00:22:32.309 --> 00:22:38.927 years. Why did you go there? Well I took my car and drove around 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.867 California up and down, tried to find a place where there were no 00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:44.907 architects 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:49.127 and where the community looked like it in the future and the people were 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:55.556 nice mm hmm that one kind of fill the bill. So they made it very easy for 00:22:55.589 --> 00:23:00.786 me, made me join the rotary club. The Elks and almost everything you need 00:23:00.819 --> 00:23:07.269 to do to get a practice going. So we had a good practice for eight years. 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:09.440 What kind of projects did you do in maryville? Mary jo well 00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:23.806 in that house, 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:31.576 I didn't even know who Albita was. 00:23:31.609 --> 00:23:38.147 I was asked by the ai a san Francisco chapter to go to san Francisco to 00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:43.947 the airport and meet with some professors from cal poly and uh discuss 00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:49.597 student architecture and kind of an interview like this. And I talked to 00:23:49.630 --> 00:23:54.177 these guys and I got more out of them. They got out of me because I 00:23:54.210 --> 00:23:59.316 figured gee that sounds like a pretty good deal teaching and architecture. 00:23:59.349 --> 00:24:03.546 And so I thought, hmm, when I get back and I'll think this over. So when 00:24:03.579 --> 00:24:10.796 I got back I started writing letters to the different universities and so 00:24:10.829 --> 00:24:14.677 instead of going to the U. Of a, the letter went to Jim. But it was 00:24:14.710 --> 00:24:20.796 addressed to the Dean of the U. S. A. So Elmore got in touch with me, he 00:24:20.829 --> 00:24:24.986 asked me if I was interested in coming down and seeing what he had. So we 00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:32.566 , we went out, came down here and took a look around and networks, Jim and 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.086 his wife and they just come back from europe. So we had a lot to talk 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:41.766 about. Maybe you want an interview down there in 63. But I think, yeah, 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:49.799 but I went to work there in 64. 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:54.986 No, I just stopped teaching would be a great, great ideas. But I didn't 00:24:55.019 --> 00:25:01.907 know the the real pluses to it was the fact that I was enjoy 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:09.940 as the idea of teaching and of all people jim and said come down and have 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:17.006 us talk with all of us. We had a meeting at the pizza parlor over on 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:23.457 Apache and university and at the head of the table where the big manga 00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:28.397 bear was cal strobe and then the rest of the faculty sitting around, I'm 00:25:28.430 --> 00:25:32.996 down at the other end and that's how they interviewed me. And when I got 00:25:33.029 --> 00:25:37.887 home, so Joanna says, I'll never be able to make it down there if they 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.756 asked me because they talked to words I don't understand, like 00:25:41.789 --> 00:25:48.806 Ameliorating the interstices. That was one of the challenge big lines and 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:53.076 and I said I don't understand what they're talking about. And least of all 00:25:53.109 --> 00:25:59.066 that guy is sitting at the end of the table, who are somebody. So we drop 00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:05.217 the subject. And pretty soon I asked jim if there was anything on the part 00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:10.976 for me on the stove. He said, well let me look into it and I'll call you 00:26:11.009 --> 00:26:14.836 back, I said, well I've got to answer Oregon because they were asking me 00:26:14.869 --> 00:26:20.806 about me that was to build a fire under him. So I heard that afternoon 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:27.107 there will be a wire sent to you in the telegram days with your salary and 00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:32.207 what the terms of your contract will be will be back to take you on. 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:37.617 So we packed up everything we had sold the house, piled it into a trailer. 00:26:37.650 --> 00:26:43.996 So we came. Dear mel moore said come on down. So the first thing it I 00:26:44.029 --> 00:26:50.556 walked into Elmore's office, he said well we're gonna pair you up with one 00:26:50.589 --> 00:26:55.836 of our faculty members to teach a joint studio. You will have one, he'll 00:26:55.869 --> 00:27:01.516 have one cal strobe. I'll 00:27:01.549 --> 00:27:08.516 never understand the guy but we we came came the best of friends over the 00:27:08.549 --> 00:27:14.207 years. I'm getting horse and it's amazing. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.506 I couldn't understand him at first but I sure got to know him pretty well. 00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:24.746 Drove into town on a sunday afternoon over to Tempe to see what they had 00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:29.306 to offer. Saw a house on Loma vista 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:35.137 and bought it that afternoon and then went up on Hayden Road where there 00:27:35.170 --> 00:27:40.207 was a trailer park and that's where we spend a couple of nights. And then 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:45.717 we took off from Mexico because this is before school started and we 00:27:45.750 --> 00:27:50.766 stayed in Mexico for I don't know how long until school started. And then 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:57.296 I came back and moved into our house and you brought four Children and 00:27:57.329 --> 00:28:02.736 Joanne what was she doing raising Children well at that time. But shortly 00:28:02.769 --> 00:28:09.367 thereafter she I went back to and got our masters degree and then took a 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:16.566 job teaching a retarded school in the West valley. And then from there she 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:22.026 took a job teaching at Country Dacian. Which she was there for some 20 00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:27.907 years. 00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:35.940 Where was the college When you came in in 64? Was it still in the a wing? 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.826 Okay. So everything was up there and you had the library in the middle of 00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:46.816 the middle of the hallway. Of course it was entirely different for me 00:28:46.849 --> 00:28:52.056 because I was coming out of a private practice of in the drafting room, in 00:28:52.089 --> 00:28:57.427 my own office, my own secretary and and all of everything. I was in 00:28:57.460 --> 00:29:02.427 control of everything. So I go up on the top floor and Kallstrom's control 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:10.016 of everything. And even though Elmore was there, his office is over by the 00:29:10.049 --> 00:29:16.266 library on the main hall, the only guy that was nearest was oh Elinor Tony. 00:29:16.299 --> 00:29:22.496 Elinor Elinor yeah. Well cal and Tony were in this office room, it was a 00:29:22.529 --> 00:29:27.407 classroom, their officers were there the almost next to them. So Elmore 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:34.246 says we'll put a desk in there next Straub he couldn't be intimidating me 00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:41.217 anymore. He tried to so anyhow I spent and the and the studio he had was 00:29:41.250 --> 00:29:47.657 down the hallway somewhere but we just divided the studio up in half and I 00:29:47.690 --> 00:29:52.907 took half the kids and he took half the kids and 00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:57.236 then when they built that wing on the end of the engineering building I 00:29:57.269 --> 00:30:00.697 guess it was just a wing that went out there and had drafting room and if 00:30:00.730 --> 00:30:05.387 they ended had two offices, how long were you in that building? You moved 00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:11.607 out to the pain training so I No, no, no. Oh yes, we did. Oh those were 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.576 hairy days. Yeah, yeah, we moved over there, That's when they were going 00:30:16.609 --> 00:30:21.867 to build the new building. So it was about 67 or eight. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:28.286 now interesting there for one semester I had alby does assistant, he 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.857 couldn't stand it. He he just hated those kids because they were always 00:30:32.890 --> 00:30:38.296 cutting holes in the ceiling, cutting holes in the wall because at one 00:30:38.329 --> 00:30:43.506 time, you know, we're in the the engineering building, we were expanding 00:30:43.539 --> 00:30:48.796 two studios downstairs in the classrooms because engineering has given up 00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:54.177 on the building actually. And so we put one design studio downstairs and 00:30:54.210 --> 00:30:59.266 one right next to him and went away for the weekend and came back and the 00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:06.597 students had cut a hole in the wall to connect the two studios and went up 00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:12.306 in the river bottoms and brought a whole bunch of driftwood and crap down 00:31:12.339 --> 00:31:15.826 and made it difficult to get through there. But you could get through 00:31:15.859 --> 00:31:20.367 there, the students could get through there but the faculty couldn't and 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:24.897 then of course things went from bad divorce, they started building little 00:31:24.930 --> 00:31:30.717 drafting nests up in the air and remodeling the pain training school until 00:31:30.750 --> 00:31:36.286 they finally kicked us out of there. But that that was fun. But l didn't 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:43.006 like those days. And I think by that time cal ah 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:48.286 he was tapering off because it seems to me I had I wouldn't I don't I 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:56.319 can't remember the later years where cal and I were together 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.556 all these guys. I had a practice on the side. Did you have a practice on 00:32:03.589 --> 00:32:11.589 the side? I had intended to but I happened to run into some people who 00:32:13.170 --> 00:32:19.296 were wanted color painters. And I said how come you're doing that? They 00:32:19.329 --> 00:32:24.586 said we have a couple of good people have workshops here. So I thought 00:32:24.619 --> 00:32:29.276 well it's the part of it. I'll check it out. Never got around to having a 00:32:29.309 --> 00:32:36.857 practice. Never wanted to. I saw you already had that. I I had that. I 00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:40.927 didn't need another one but everybody else was doing it. So I figured I 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:46.907 was gonna have to do it. But when I spotted this water clerk demonstration 00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:53.066 by this two different watercolor painters, they were opposites. So I took 00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:57.786 my choice and I give him all the credit in the world for making me a 00:32:57.819 --> 00:33:03.556 watercolor artist because but I so I started to paint water colors and 00:33:03.589 --> 00:33:11.367 been going at it ever since. And of course the the acrylic paintings we're 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:18.137 a product of by going down to Mexico every summer in the spring summer 00:33:18.170 --> 00:33:24.187 school Of course when she was closed we'd spend our summer in Mexico and 00:33:24.220 --> 00:33:29.326 that's when I took up painting on canvas. But all the watercolor painting 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:34.607 and everything was here in town 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.217 and I apparently had enough time on my hands. I could do it because we 00:33:38.250 --> 00:33:43.867 didn't lecture every day Probably three days a week and had a studio five 00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:50.266 days a week. So there were a little time in there to do my thing. You had 00:33:50.299 --> 00:33:55.286 how many Children? five Children? four at home. We bundle them all up and 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:02.207 rent a house in Mexico. Where is that? 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.986 It's west east of you know what it is? It's up in the hills, very pleasant 00:34:08.019 --> 00:34:12.727 climate. It's a wonderful town and we had a the ball there. But and those 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:19.206 paintings downstairs for a product of that. And we didn't start taking our 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:26.807 trips around the world until my sabbatical times came up then that's when 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:31.327 the first sabbatical was a year in europe. With the Children. The Camper 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.736 and the other two sabbaticals for a year around the world in camper was a 00:34:36.769 --> 00:34:42.427 year in europe. But the other two years around the world were out of a 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:45.106 suitcase 00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:51.907 bag. 00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:59.206 Remember any notable people that came to speak or people you remember were 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:05.907 notable, How about Craig Ellwood or 00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:13.497 Oh I know one very notable one that came to speak frank Gehry. Okay. He 00:35:13.530 --> 00:35:19.077 was a student of cows at USC and cal brought him over a couple of times to 00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:25.057 talk to our students. But this was before he we got hooked on the freeform 00:35:25.090 --> 00:35:32.017 architecture, this is when he was in his sheet metal corrugated iron 00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:38.006 speech. That's when he would come over. And so nobody was 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:44.657 Oh and then there was another architect whose would go, even a great 00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:50.967 sketcher made wonderful sketches. I can't remember his name now, but I was 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.456 really impressed with all the sketching he did. And that's what got me 00:35:55.489 --> 00:36:00.896 started when I would take trips. 00:36:00.929 --> 00:36:08.929 All of that full of sketches. Mm hmm. 00:36:10.630 --> 00:36:15.847 And the book that I learned how to paint from 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.197 was right, this is one of the artists 00:36:21.230 --> 00:36:28.537 hold that up there. He collected his paintings and I they're not mine. 00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:35.657 They're is that he had a studio over in Green lake in California and we 00:36:35.690 --> 00:36:39.956 go over there in the summertime for two weeks or so and study with him. 00:36:39.989 --> 00:36:46.037 Remember his name, robert. He would, he will never forget his name. And 00:36:46.070 --> 00:36:49.097 then the 00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:52.197 when I was looking for 00:36:52.230 --> 00:36:58.086 Oh no, it had a Yeah, here it is. Mm, mm mm mm mm. This is the bible. This 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:04.727 is the bible that the UC Berkeley gang studied from. It's called rex 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.836 Brandt. 00:37:06.869 --> 00:37:12.827 And he was out of 00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:19.247 let's see, it's how to how to paint watercolor And of course he had a 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:24.396 tremendous influence on me, as you can see from some of the water costs 00:37:24.429 --> 00:37:28.467 and his sketching. 00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:34.227 Oh yeah, in his painting. So he 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:39.727 used my first contact with sketching and watercolor painting. There's an 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:47.760 autograph coffee right there john good excellent. But he's the one that's 00:37:48.730 --> 00:37:56.477 all of us, you see. And and when I got down here, of course they didn't 00:37:56.510 --> 00:38:01.626 teach you teach this because they didn't, I didn't teach him all the 00:38:01.659 --> 00:38:06.986 renderings were black and white. And uh, 00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:12.097 so I just happened to get a couple of local architects knew I did this and 00:38:12.130 --> 00:38:15.347 so they'd come down at night 00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:22.916 studio and paint at night. No, I can't think of some have died. Who are 00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:28.747 they? one of them got to be very, very successful painter ended up and 00:38:28.780 --> 00:38:34.796 architect graduated to end up in northern Idaho. Oh that's nelson Barton, 00:38:34.829 --> 00:38:42.829 nelson Barton. He was a super painter. Country. Yeah. After I started him 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.997 painting, 00:38:47.030 --> 00:38:55.030 you never quit. He said he could make more on a friday afternoon painting 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:02.347 then he could make with his architecture firm. I'm sure he could, I 00:39:02.380 --> 00:39:08.126 couldn't, we could, I didn't try. Yeah, they had this stuff in the gallery 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:14.586 up in Scottsdale. 00:39:14.619 --> 00:39:22.236 Tell us about your book, how it came to be. That's Marcus within history. 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:29.517 I was, I had gone on a sabbatical and made all these sketches and came 00:39:29.550 --> 00:39:33.186 back and I thought gee I got a lot of sketchbooks, 00:39:33.219 --> 00:39:37.927 we gotta do something with him. I will make a syllabus for the students 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:44.026 make it, you know, take it up with your opposite in those days. And I was 00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:48.677 talking to Marcus Swift and I told him to take these all up and xerox them 00:39:48.710 --> 00:39:55.347 and put in spiral finding this is all don't do that get a publisher I said 00:39:55.380 --> 00:40:00.887 heck I don't know what published races right to several books I did I 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.066 wrote to Ryan hall publishing company and I sent them a mock up of what I 00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:11.677 thought the book ought to be like and they had a representative coming to 00:40:11.710 --> 00:40:18.736 to the gym show out of court site and he looked me up and it took me to 00:40:18.769 --> 00:40:24.467 lunch I just I got a contract here for you. 00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:30.577 So they took over publishing the original book and 00:40:30.610 --> 00:40:35.977 of course it was hard cover 00:40:36.010 --> 00:40:38.177 and 00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:43.977 but it was all black and white and so after that had its stay in the sun. 00:40:44.010 --> 00:40:49.577 They said well how about another book? Well I just took this book and 00:40:49.610 --> 00:40:55.197 added a whole bunch of colored but colored plates and things in it and I 00:40:55.230 --> 00:41:03.230 call it uh I sketch and color yeah yeah and that's I put a color face to 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:09.927 it and so you know that it's called component and then they want another 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:16.517 one. Well I said I don't know so I what we did is we compromised and we 00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:23.086 had the where is that it that's what we did the same anyhow we call it the 00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:30.477 complete sketch mhm which combined black and white and color this is all 00:41:30.510 --> 00:41:36.206 color it's all black and white don't worry about it anyhow. So that that's 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:42.077 another book and then all of a sudden one day brian hold sold out to 00:41:42.110 --> 00:41:48.577 another publisher. I can't think of the name. Very well known one. And 00:41:48.610 --> 00:41:56.610 they sent me back. No no I just don't box. There's a box here somewhere 00:41:57.210 --> 00:42:02.046 with all my drawings in it. They didn't want to publish it. That was the 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:09.066 end of it 00:42:09.099 --> 00:42:14.617 to thank for this, Joanne gave me this one for one of my birthdays. But 00:42:14.650 --> 00:42:19.727 this is the second of That is a 3rd generation. The first generations down 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:27.760 under there. Big macintosh printed on it. Round the first ones I ran 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.736 across a picture the other day. I wish I still knew where it was. I would 00:42:33.769 --> 00:42:40.947 go over at night after I retired and tutor the kids into using a 00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:47.137 perspective program with his old box. But as soon as I got through doing 00:42:47.170 --> 00:42:53.706 that they came out with very sophisticated computers and programs and my 00:42:53.739 --> 00:42:59.106 day was done. I wasn't gonna be any value anymore. I think that old box 00:42:59.139 --> 00:43:06.747 had like 256 MB of hard drive. Yeah I saw a documentary and I got a whole 00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:11.827 bunch of dr stuff stored on these things that I can't get off because they 00:43:11.860 --> 00:43:14.776 can 00:43:14.809 --> 00:43:22.809 zip drive. This is what I use this for now or catalog my paintings. 00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:31.666 Oh yeah, no way up here. 00:43:31.699 --> 00:43:37.267 So you've taken a digital photograph of every one of your paintings 00:43:37.300 --> 00:43:42.267 pretty much for the record. So I go in here 00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:47.436 I started out to catalog them as to who had them and all that. But that's 00:43:47.469 --> 00:43:50.907 what I use this for mostly 00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:55.206 to keep a record of. And now of course I'm not painting anymore. So I I 00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:01.197 don't have so I use that for email. You have that backed up somewhere else. 00:44:01.230 --> 00:44:08.126 Right. No. Well that's what we're gonna do this afternoon. 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.876 Yeah I'll put it on a thumb drive and burn a cd for you. Oh well you got 00:44:12.909 --> 00:44:20.909 you got some stuff. Ah 00:44:21.590 --> 00:44:25.856 I'll tell you I'm terribly disappointed that they don't teach rendering 00:44:25.889 --> 00:44:30.956 and sketching anymore, particularly sketching because scott here can 00:44:30.989 --> 00:44:34.057 attest to that. 00:44:34.090 --> 00:44:37.686 You've gone into offices and show them your sketches and how you can 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.517 sketch. And they had a big influence on your getting a job mm particularly 00:44:43.550 --> 00:44:48.586 being able to be in the front end of projects. Yeah. Which is a hard place 00:44:48.619 --> 00:44:55.706 to get into. And Tony. Who's industrial design now in California. Not an 00:44:55.739 --> 00:45:00.497 industrial designer. Store designer. But he tells the story of being in 00:45:00.530 --> 00:45:06.436 paris designing a perfume stand for the store and they had this conference 00:45:06.469 --> 00:45:11.106 all morning and had a lot of ideas which couldn't get them across. So when 00:45:11.139 --> 00:45:14.217 they took a lunch break and they went across town he sat in the back of 00:45:14.250 --> 00:45:19.146 the cab sketched up all these ideas and when they met that afternoon he 00:45:19.179 --> 00:45:23.157 says this is what you want 00:45:23.190 --> 00:45:28.006 just like that and what you can't do anymore. But you can sure show him 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:34.856 some sexy pictures. But it is incredible. It's off the subject how the 00:45:34.889 --> 00:45:40.977 computer and the cell phone has the links everything together. Because 00:45:41.010 --> 00:45:46.856 Tony and my other son, he'll come over here and set up shop right there. 00:45:46.889 --> 00:45:52.256 He's got a cell phone, he's got his, he brings this thing over and he 00:45:52.289 --> 00:45:56.637 goes at it all day long, comes in and has a cup of coffee and go back and 00:45:56.670 --> 00:46:01.407 forth all day. He's on the phone conference call in Birmingham and he does 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.927 all his work right from there. And he's got a couple of guys sitting in 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:10.046 his house taking care of his dogs and they're working to. 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:18.079 But all because the cell phone of the computer, 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.867 what you're talking about here is your Children, you've got four Children 00:46:20.900 --> 00:46:26.876 , you've got scott's number three bob's number two. Yeah. And what's 00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:34.287 before is # four is Tony. How did you influence their careers? Pass on 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:42.320 your abilities or talents to them? Did they just see it? And scott would 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.347 have to answer that question because 00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:51.126 they never consulted me. I don't think you ever did. And we went on a 00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:55.936 sabbatical and when I came back here, he was in the College of 00:46:55.969 --> 00:46:58.046 Architecture 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.717 and for a while, nobody knew he belonged to me until he had a couple of 00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:06.057 juries. And they finally asked who's that guy Oliver has he got some 00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:12.227 relation to the faculty member and then Tony took up residence there in 00:47:12.260 --> 00:47:18.717 industrial design and subsequently graduated from subsequent but I didn't 00:47:18.750 --> 00:47:23.467 know anything about it. They just went off and did it. It seems that the 00:47:23.500 --> 00:47:29.736 two youngest Children Tony and I had the graphic interest, the two olders 00:47:29.769 --> 00:47:35.367 didn't. My older brother dabbled in some painting a little bit, but but 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:41.626 from an intuitive point of view or or maybe I think even the the creative 00:47:41.659 --> 00:47:45.736 act of just making things up even when you're very young Children, you 00:47:45.769 --> 00:47:51.526 make believe things that translated them to designing things. And I think 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:58.767 Tony and I had that kind of imagination and yeah, dad's modest about this 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:03.787 and he didn't pressure us to to learn or do anything but we absorbed what 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:08.617 was around us. And in my case particularly, you know, I was destroyed at 00:48:08.650 --> 00:48:13.256 an early age because dad would get two or three architecture magazines in 00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:17.586 the mail every month, Architecture plus magazine, that's long been defunct 00:48:17.619 --> 00:48:23.526 , Architecture Record a journal, I'd see all these, you know, buildings 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.577 and renderings. And then of course dad was doing a lot of rendering work 00:48:27.610 --> 00:48:32.807 for with Kallstrom and other his other colleagues for their practices and 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.907 famously for the paddock of freeway in those early days. So I'd watch him 00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:40.747 draw. So I learned perspective and pen and ink work when I was, you know, 00:48:40.780 --> 00:48:45.666 in early high school And when I was, I was, you know, when I was 13, I was 00:48:45.699 --> 00:48:50.046 doing pending perspectives and things like that because I saw him in the 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:55.447 magazines and what dad did. And so I was, you know, because all that 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.997 influenced basically a real tragic, brutalist modernist at an early age 00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:05.436 because that's all we saw. No, we sat down and discussed it. Well, we, you 00:49:05.469 --> 00:49:10.436 would give me a few tips here and there, but it was not like, oh dad, show 00:49:10.469 --> 00:49:13.566 me everything, you know, or are you saying son, you're going to be an 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:19.836 architect. It just, I absorbed it through osmosis. And as my father said, 00:49:19.869 --> 00:49:24.956 when we took this trip around the world, there was no tv teaching was 00:49:24.989 --> 00:49:30.166 correspondence courses a lot of time to kill. So for me, I learned how to 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.796 read well because it's not no distractions. And we always picked up the 00:49:35.829 --> 00:49:40.986 blue hole books, drawing books in all these different towns and I would 00:49:41.019 --> 00:49:45.486 draw whatever I was seeing if we took a ferry boat across the channel or 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.856 whatever. I decided I was interested in ships and I would draw designed 00:49:49.889 --> 00:49:56.057 ships and become a naval and whatnot. And so that was how I kind of 00:49:56.090 --> 00:50:00.847 recorded the trip and, and, and learned about documenting the physical 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.747 world, which is what architecture is about. And so then it became a 00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:07.066 natural thing. But I could have grown up to be a naval architect, 00:50:07.099 --> 00:50:10.626 industrial designer, sure I would have been happy and my little brother 00:50:10.659 --> 00:50:16.597 did industrial design and migrated into branding, which is kind of 00:50:16.630 --> 00:50:22.217 incorporating interior design, marketing and the whole image. So he's kind 00:50:22.250 --> 00:50:30.250 of taken industrial design into a real spatial practices. 00:50:37.659 --> 00:50:45.586 You know, we used to take the sketch class down to beats me, but on the 00:50:45.619 --> 00:50:52.046 way we'd stop it to McCaw Khoury and also stopped at the mission 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.327 and make them sketch the mission and then go over and sketch it to a Capri 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:05.026 and then they'd wind up for beer at the hotel in 00:51:05.059 --> 00:51:08.727 Mhm. Copper Queen, that's what I call it, you know, that's what it is. The 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.427 Copper Queen had a bar and 00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:16.807 xem nay, I guess the first time we took them down there, they kind of 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.526 raised a little bit of hell. 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:27.847 So we next time we had monitors on interim to keep them quiet. But that 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:32.367 they had those trips for fun. And then when we got back they would put all 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:40.400 their drawings up on the wall in the hall downstairs gallery so that the 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:48.256 the one thing that will always remain a mystery but one of our trips 00:51:48.289 --> 00:51:53.967 futures was with cal over the coast and then up to san Francisco and then 00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:02.000 back down here. Well on the way over there where 00:52:03.449 --> 00:52:10.577 Bruce is a fireball came in there with full of vinegar and english, you're 00:52:10.610 --> 00:52:18.610 ready to roll and he could drop a storm and he's happy all the time and he 00:52:18.739 --> 00:52:26.739 is calling dad because I was about the same age as his dad and and we just 00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:33.327 established a friendship over the years but he always like, I respected 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.787 what he could do and he was, he was not only a good drawer but he was a 00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:42.517 good entrepreneur to and 00:52:42.550 --> 00:52:48.646 ah we just became very good friends off campus as well as on campus. But 00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:53.356 he was always a cut up that I remember times when he would, yes, it was 00:52:53.389 --> 00:52:59.916 proof dressed up as a sheriff. 00:52:59.949 --> 00:53:06.697 He came dressed up as a sheriff and I was in with the dean and he walked 00:53:06.730 --> 00:53:13.506 in the door, it was all set up and started reading the riot act. Yeah, he 00:53:13.539 --> 00:53:19.217 had glasses on and everything started reading the riot act anymore and I 00:53:19.250 --> 00:53:26.816 started to take offense to all and he said shut up, you you sit down. 00:53:26.849 --> 00:53:33.467 He took me totally by surprise, I never forget. And then of course he came 00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:39.117 back to show me right. He said put me in my place. 00:53:39.150 --> 00:53:44.296 That was one thing he was always, well I know another time he Bruce would 00:53:44.329 --> 00:53:49.447 , we took all of them over to the zoo. We're doing this design project for 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:53.316 the zoo and we were all over there and we've done our research and 00:53:53.349 --> 00:54:00.617 everything and we're all stacked up along this wash and having a barbecue 00:54:00.650 --> 00:54:05.896 and Bruce, they said now be careful there, there might be some wild 00:54:05.929 --> 00:54:10.097 animals or something comes through. Well that's a bunch of Baloney. So we 00:54:10.130 --> 00:54:14.597 went on ignoring it and then all of a sudden here comes this damn eight 00:54:14.630 --> 00:54:19.267 and he came rushing down the wash and everybody started scattering. It was 00:54:19.300 --> 00:54:23.117 Bruce, yes, 00:54:23.150 --> 00:54:25.150 gorilla.