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 by identifying on the tape that today is Wednesday december 5th of 2000

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and seven. And we're here at the A. S.
U. Community services building to

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do an oral history interview for the
A. S. U. Retiree association Video

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Living history video project. Um And
I'm pam Stephenson doing the

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interview. And Manny Garcia is our
videographer and I'd like for you to

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give me your name so it will be
pronounced correctly

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spell that for our transcriber, L I N
D A V as in victor, A N capital Ss

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and sam C O Y. And tell me when and
where you were born? I was born in

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phoenix. So I'm a native, I was born
in ST joseph's hospital which I think

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is still there. And uh I lived my
early life in this area. I've always

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lived in Arizona The year I really

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don't want to February

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19, 1948. I was born. I thought I was
going to get around that. Okay. Too

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young to retire. Um So you grew up in,
in phoenix? Yes. Um We I was born

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in phoenix lived there for a while. My
father worked for Salt river

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project and so he was transferred to
different areas and live in Coolidge

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Arizona for a while and then we came
back to this area and we actually

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lived in a little house right next to
this building. I'm not sure which

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direction which was owned by Salt
River project and there was, they called

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it the four Bay and there was some
work that my father did. So they rented

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the house to us And then he did the
work right there on the facility just

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right around the corner here. And then
we moved to Tempe in um what is the

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Hudson manor district which is about
Apache and mcclintock. And that's

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when I was six years old and then I
started my schooling and we lived in

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the same house until I left to be
married. And and now I live in Gilbert.

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So

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I'm truly an idea. And your father,
you said he worked for srp what did he

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do? Well he was an electrician so he
did sort of electrical work for them.

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Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. And what
about your mother, did she work?

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She work today? I assume she was a
supervisor in the student loan um which

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is part of the business office back
then. And that's one of the reasons

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that I went to A. S. U. Was because
she worked there and we were able to

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get the tuition benefit which I
probably wouldn't have been able to go to

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school if it hadn't been for that. So
same with my sister, I have one

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sister and she also graduated from msu
just the two of you? Just the two

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of us. Yeah, mm hmm. Well tell me what
was it like growing up in Arizona

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fifties?

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Well gosh that was so long ago

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it was a small town atmosphere in
Tempe. And the house we lived in, there

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was nothing behind our houses except
for cotton fields. So if you can

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imagine um which would have been like
from Broadway Road south. It was

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just farmland basically back at that
time and just a small town atmosphere.

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And so rural road was a rural road. It
was a rural road. It was dirt sort

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of when you kept going south. Because
today you wonder why did they call

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it

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much rural about it? Mhm. Mhm. And so
did you, did you get into phoenix

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much or did you pretty much stay in
occasionally in phoenix? My mother

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before she worked today as she worked
in downtown phoenix at Goldwater's

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department store in the business
office. And occasionally we would take

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the bus to downtown phoenix to go to
the movies um visit my mom, you know

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when she was working that kind of
thing. But other than that we didn't get

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, we didn't go down to downtown
phoenix much. What was downtown phoenix

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like then? Mm hmm. Uh you know,
truthfully all I remember are the

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department stores must have been my
early shopping history. Uh there was a

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store called cortex and there was the
Goldwater store and well worse than

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movies and that kind of thing. That's
about, that's about all I remember

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of an old fashioned downtown. Mm hmm
And what about downtown Tempe? What

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was it? Um Let's see, it went from
where Mill Avenue is. Of course Montes

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was always there. That was the
starting and then there was hotel, an old

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hotel I think it was called the casa
Loma if I remember right. And then

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drugstores there was where Hooters is
now was a a Laird's drugstore. That

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was sort of the drug store in town
Kempe center was um the up and coming

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meeting place when I was in school
junior high and high school. They had a

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Rexall drugstore there that had the
soda fountain and everybody would meet

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there on saturday for sodas and to
just talk and either walk to the movie

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or just kind of mill around in the
Tempe center area. The movie. That was

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the Valley Art. Uh huh. Yeah that was
the movie theater, what was it

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called? It was called the Valley Art.
Um Yeah it was. What about the haven

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flour mill was that we're operating as
a flour mill back then. Not that I

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recall. I don't think so. If it was I
didn't pay attention.

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She didn't have any.

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But what sort of things did you do for
fun back then? Well like I say we

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went to the movies and we met at Tempe
center um Daily Park which is down

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on college was also a meeting place
where we would gather for fun. Um In

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junior high and high school there was
on the corner of rural road and

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Apache boulevard, there was a
hamburger stand called the university drive

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in and everybody called it the U. D.
I. For short and everybody that was

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anybody. You know drove it was a drive
in and they had the gals that came

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out and took your order um Would go
there and that was a lot of fun. So

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things like that cruising mesa,
cruising central to.

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Yeah yeah you cruise down Main street
to the Jack in the box, turned

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around and came back, went to the U.
D. I. And then you cruised into

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downtown phoenix and went to bob's big
boy and turned around and came back.

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Mhm. Probably only the jacket box is
still there. It's still there. It's

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still there. That's right. I think the
U. T. I. Is the temple Chamber of

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Commerce now and part of the Holiday
Inn.

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And so you say you went to school in
Tempe. And every school I went first

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grade and sixth grade to Ritter school
which was just torn down recently.

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It's on that was on the S. U. Campus.
Um And then 2nd and 5th grade

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through fifth grade I went to
Broadmoor elementary school and 6th and 7th

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grade I went to McKamey Junior high
and high school. I went to. So all my

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school years here in Tempe now. Why
did you go to the Reader school? Those

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two years And it was some kind of a
zoning educational zoning issue where

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and I don't really remember the
details of it but I started there and I

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went to sixth grade there and then in
between they moved us. It wasn't my

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choice. It was a school thing.
Perfect. Yes that's the second grader. You

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really wouldn't I didn't know. I don't
think I cared.

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Yeah. Mhm. So you were a Tempe High
graduate. Tempe high graduate. They've

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just been having there, they just had
their 100 year school sort of

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celebration which I did attend. It was
a lot of fun. What was the Mp high

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like that? Um It was not too small. It
was the only high school at the

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time, although they were building
Mcclintock high when I was a senior. And

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my class was the last full graduating
class from Tempe high after that the

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kids went to Tempe High and then they
went to Mcclintock also. So and I

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think we had a pretty good size
graduating class. Seems to me it was like

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about 350 or 400 was a good size of
class. So and I had harry Mitchell was

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my government teacher.

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And what was he like as a teacher he
was a good teacher. Yeah he got the

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kids involved, make sure you're aware
of of course public affairs politics

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, that kind of thing. Um He was strict
didn't allow any sleeping in the

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class or anything like that but he was
a good teacher and he remains a

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good friend today. Did you put people
to sleep? Oh no not at all.

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Was he involved with city politics
already at that time? No not when not

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at that time it was shortly after that
I think that he went into politics

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full time.

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That's right, that's right.

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So you're still in touch with him,
yep. His sister whose name is Kathleen

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um Mitchell Colette was my best friend
and still is one of my best friends

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and so I was uh connected to him that
way and my sister who was older than

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I went to school with Harry. So I was
connected that way. And their

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parents Harry's parents Harry and
Irene Mitchell were are my first

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landlord after I was married we rented
our first house from them which was

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right next door to the house they
lived in. So we belong history with the

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mitchells I guess. So it just shows
what a small town.

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So going through school, were you a
good student? I was a good student, I

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was not an exceptional student but I'd
say I was be a good solid B student.

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Did you have thoughts of what you
wanted to do when you got out of school

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?

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You know I didn't I knew I didn't want
to teach, I knew what I didn't want

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to do and I didn't want to teach. And
so when I came to a S. U. I started

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like a lot of students do with just
sort of the general courses to see

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what might be interesting and I did
always like english. And so that's

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what I ended up, that's what my degree
is in is english and but I didn't

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want to teach. So I just have a good
solid english background which served

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me well for some of the writing and
letters and that kind of thing I did

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with the staff in a staff position
here. That s you

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did you work through school or it's
your first job? Yeah. Um when I was at

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a S. U. My first job and I was a
student the whole time I was going to

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school, my first job was in an office
that we called personnel, which is

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now called HR

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and I worked there for about a year
and then I transferred to the College

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of Engineering Dean's office, they had
a word processing pool. And so I

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was hired on as a student to help in
the word processing pool at that time.

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And um the dean of the college was li
p Thompson, which I think he's the

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founding dean. And I worked there
until um until I graduated and when I

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graduated, I um well, kind of a
personal side of this at the time, my then

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boyfriend, now husband went to, was
drafted into the marines, which is a

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little bit unusual

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and he went to Vietnam. And so at the
time he was in Vietnam when I

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graduated. So I decided well I was
going to get a job but I didn't know

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exactly what I wanted to do and I just
thought I would do something until

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he came back and then see what
happened. And it so happened that the

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division of Agriculture which was part
of engineering at the time needed a

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staff clerical person. And since I
worked in the dean's office and

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engineering as a student, they, when I
graduated, they said would you be

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interested? And so I said sure. So I
started working there as my first

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full time job at A. S. U. But that
lasted only about a year or a little

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less because I was invited um by carl
dan Infeld who was the academic vice

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president to come and work in his
office. Which I did in which I stayed

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for 35 years in that office. So did
you ever have a job that wasn't an

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issue? I did not. Mm hmm. I was born
and raised here. I guess

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that's probably some kind of record I
think um we'll talk about what was a

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issue like when your first memories of
issue, I guess you were in first

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grade. Oh yeah. What was it like back
then? I don't have a memory of the

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issue when I was in grade school
because I just wasn't paying attention to

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that. But you start paying attention
um in junior high, when I learned

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much to my amazement that after you
finished high school you had to go to

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college. That's what my mother told
me, my father because neither of them

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had gone to college and they were
wanted to make sure that my sister and I

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both went to college. So I just was
brought up with the notion that you

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know, you just went from junior high
to high school and then on to college.

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So I think in junior high and high
school I started thinking about it,

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being aware of the issue probably of
the football games and you know, just

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where the campus was and then my
mother was working there. So you know, I

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knew it was there and I knew I was
going to end up there when I ended up

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there. It was A big shock because it
was I thought it was huge at the time.

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You know, in comparison of course it
was not that big now I think we had

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about 20 or 25,000 students at that
time. Pretty good. Did you ever visit

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your mother when she was working here?
Yes.

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Yes, I knew your way around. Mhm. That
helped. And I lived at home so I

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didn't live in a dorm. Was that a good
thing or a bad thing? Well, both

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probably at the time, you know, I kind
of wished I could have been at the

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dorm, but finances didn't allow that.
And looking back, I'm probably lucky

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to have been at home because you get
more study time and you know it's

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quieter and then you have the family
around you. So, so that was nice.

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So when you say when you came, you
really didn't know what you wanted to

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study or That's right. I really
didn't. And so I just took the general

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courses and then sort of focused in on
english because I enjoyed english

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and then decided, well that's what
I'll do. That's a good general degree.

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What year was it that you started
college? Well, I graduated high school

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in 66, so it would have been the fall
of 66 and I graduated in mid year.

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It was just, well, back then it was
january these days. They graduate in

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december, but then it was january. So
it was January of 71.

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And what was, what was going on on
campus when you came in the 60s, what

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was campus like? What kind of that was
that? There were some protests and

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things going on at that time?

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Um hmm, that's a good question. There
was some, some war protests, that's

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probably what you're talking about.
There was some of that, there was some

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, I'm not sure I should get into this.
Um, a faculty member Morris starsky

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, There was kind of a big story about
him. So there's a little bit about

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that, um,

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that's all the protesting kind of
thing I can think of to get involved in

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any of the heavens. No, I dont
movement to, that had some protests on

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campuses somewhere. I don't remember
that protected, I guess I was.

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So

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so you mentioned in your notes here
that you worked with a lot of the

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different presidents. Yeah. And provos
you want to talk about some of the

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people that you sure.

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Yeah, john swallow was president when
I started working um in my full time

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staff position and

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my boss of course was carl Dannon felt
at that time, he was the academic

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vice president and in that office, um
it was a small office, there were

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just four of us carl and he had one
assistant whose name escapes me, I

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can't remember right now. And then his
secretary was normal roads and

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myself. So it was just really a mom
and pop shop at the time. And we were

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located in the President's office
suite, in the administration building,

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the old administration building and
the provost's office stayed there

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until we've been in the Fulton Center
for almost three years in february

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will be three years. So, so it was in
that building the whole time except

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for the last 2.5 years. And um

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well let's, do you want me to go
through the people that I worked with a

00:18:35.609 --> 00:18:39.207
little bit of the administration, the
old administration building as you

00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:44.127
call it. Um what is that building?
Like, where is it located? It's the

00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:49.746
building right across from the
Memorial Union, just west of the Memorial

00:18:49.779 --> 00:18:54.756
Union and I'm trying to think what's
in there now, the Hispanic research

00:18:54.789 --> 00:19:00.306
centers in there now and I think some
of maybe some global engagement

00:19:00.339 --> 00:19:03.506
offices on the first floor,

00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:08.927
It's just a two story building. And uh
where was the President's Officer?

00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:14.357
Where was your office? You mean
physically? Okay. Well when you walk in

00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:18.657
the building you go upstairs and
immediately to your left, that was the

00:19:18.690 --> 00:19:22.377
President's office on one side and
then the academic vice president on the

00:19:22.410 --> 00:19:28.457
other side of the corridor. So it was
like in a sort of a joint suite and

00:19:28.490 --> 00:19:32.397
it was a small office at that time
that the vice president had an office,

00:19:32.430 --> 00:19:36.207
his assistant had an office and then
the to staff people norma and I were

00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:41.246
outside of each of those offices, so
it was very small, very close. What

00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:46.187
were you actually, what was your job?
What did you do? Um Well at first in

00:19:46.220 --> 00:19:54.220
my first role I was a clerk typist or
some sort of staff position and I

00:19:54.710 --> 00:20:02.056
would just do a lot of typing and uh
errands and filing and sort of

00:20:02.089 --> 00:20:06.607
helping out norma who was the main
secretary and supporting the other

00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:12.516
assistant to the vice president. And
then shortly after I started their

00:20:12.549 --> 00:20:16.707
normal retired and I was promoted into
her job. So I took a giant leap

00:20:16.740 --> 00:20:21.336
were very quickly in my career and was
assistant to the academic vice

00:20:21.369 --> 00:20:28.496
president and Continued in that role
through eight vice presidents or

00:20:28.529 --> 00:20:33.256
provosts which they now call them with
various duties depending on how the

00:20:33.289 --> 00:20:39.006
office changed or what that new person
had in mind to do or you know what

00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:43.217
the border regions had in mind for us
to do or you know, and as the office

00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:50.707
grew and we centralized and
decentralized and centralized again,

00:20:50.740 --> 00:20:57.647
that kind of thing. So talk about your
first job there, You were just the

00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:04.976
clerk and assistant. How much money
did you make? It was about $5,000 a

00:21:05.009 --> 00:21:10.947
year. It's not crazy. 12 months. Mm
Hmm. And then when you got promoted,

00:21:10.980 --> 00:21:15.677
that first promotion was that big
financial promotion too. You know, I

00:21:15.710 --> 00:21:19.907
don't remember that. It was that much,
but I'm guessing it was probably

00:21:19.940 --> 00:21:25.306
Just a couple of $1,000 like 2, 7000,
which would have made a big

00:21:25.339 --> 00:21:29.006
difference at the time. Yeah.

00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:32.566
Yeah. Did you think when you took that
job that you would be there for the

00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:37.836
next 36 years? I did not know. Um, as
I mentioned, I was waiting for my

00:21:37.869 --> 00:21:43.546
husband and my husband to come back
from Vietnam what she did. And then we

00:21:43.579 --> 00:21:49.607
were, Let's see, that was 72 when I
started in the vice president's office

00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:56.006
And we were married in October of 72.
So, um, and I thought, well, you

00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.417
know, I'll just kind of work a little
more. He didn't have a job. And at

00:22:00.450 --> 00:22:04.046
that time, unfortunately, as we all
know the Vietnam veterans weren't

00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.086
welcomed and had a hard time getting a
job and he had a very difficult

00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.907
time getting a job

00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:17.306
and then thanks to one of our friends
back to the mitchells again. Um

00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:24.546
Kathleen's husband, Ron colette. His
father worked at Motorola and he got

00:22:24.579 --> 00:22:30.177
my husband a job at Motorola and so
then we were often running. So um but

00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:33.207
before that I was the only, it was the
only income was what I was bringing

00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.776
in. So that was an interesting time.

00:22:37.809 --> 00:22:41.437
But at that time I thought, you know,
I'm just gonna try this job for a

00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:44.836
little while longer. And occasionally
I'd say, you know, I think I should

00:22:44.869 --> 00:22:49.177
get out in the real world, you know
and and look for a job and my husband

00:22:49.210 --> 00:22:51.496
would say no you don't want to do
that, you know, you're fine where you

00:22:51.529 --> 00:22:55.407
are, you've got good benefits, you
know, it's a nice place to work and so

00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:00.927
and it was and still is and so I just
got comfortable and enjoyed what I

00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:06.826
was doing and just stayed. That seems
interesting that you stayed. But the

00:23:06.859 --> 00:23:11.306
your boss has changed a lot.

00:23:11.339 --> 00:23:18.157
Yeah. I worked for eight individuals
who had that office actually one of

00:23:18.190 --> 00:23:23.796
them. I worked for three times. Elmer
Gooding he was acting or interim Um

00:23:23.829 --> 00:23:27.197
provost for academic vice president
several times but I only counted him

00:23:27.230 --> 00:23:32.857
once in the 8th. Okay. Yeah. Why don't
you talk a little bit about each of

00:23:32.890 --> 00:23:40.667
these people and most of them look
like, well the last one.

00:23:40.700 --> 00:23:47.207
Well let's see um carl the NFL of
course was my first first boss in that

00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:53.107
position and he was the kindest man I
ever knew. He was such a good fellow.

00:23:53.140 --> 00:23:59.207
Um and he up and it was a mom and pop
shop and he operated it that way.

00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:05.806
But I remember and speaking of his
kindness, he told me once

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:10.677
when you're, when you're on the career
ladder that you meet many of the

00:24:10.710 --> 00:24:15.316
same people going up the ladder as you
do, coming down the ladder that

00:24:15.349 --> 00:24:17.687
always stuck with me. So it was like,
you know, you better be kind to

00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:22.107
those people because you might see him
more than once in this in this life.

00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:28.526
So um and he was, he was a potter,
also a pretty, pretty good potter. Um

00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.917
and then the next, you might have to
help me with the names if you've got

00:24:32.950 --> 00:24:37.746
them there. The next one page,
Mulholland, mm hmm. He, when he came, I

00:24:37.779 --> 00:24:43.377
think that's when the office changed
to um I think he was executive vice

00:24:43.410 --> 00:24:48.786
president and provost or something. Is
that what it says there? Okay, so

00:24:48.819 --> 00:24:54.076
that's at that time the office
actually changed its name and you know

00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:58.417
people I didn't understand why and
some still don't because when you say

00:24:58.450 --> 00:25:02.607
provost's office, they don't know what
it is or they think of the military

00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:10.640
with provost marshal. So um but but um
and paige was came from outside the

00:25:11.009 --> 00:25:15.016
university, so he was you know hire
from outside and he was and he was all

00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:21.157
business, he was a nice, nice man, I
enjoyed working for him and my

00:25:21.190 --> 00:25:25.006
position changed a little bit then
because he hired someone to be a

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:31.556
secretary and I became more of a um
executive coordinator type and helped

00:25:31.589 --> 00:25:35.387
with the budget and that kind of
thing. So I while I had, it was in the

00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:38.897
same office, my role sort of branched
and took different turns with each

00:25:38.930 --> 00:25:42.187
person that came in depending on what
they wanted to do. So you were more

00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:45.306
like an executive assistant

00:25:45.339 --> 00:25:47.907
secretarial.

00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:52.177
Yeah, I've heard some people really
like patient home and other people had

00:25:52.210 --> 00:25:57.367
other things to say really, what did
they say? Just remember hearing

00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:02.347
different things. His name has come up
in a lot of these interviews,

00:26:02.380 --> 00:26:06.377
looks like he wasn't really here that
long. How many years do I have done

00:26:06.410 --> 00:26:14.410
? 81 Okay. Yeah, and he left to be,
let's see, where did he go, I've

00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:19.207
forgotten now and in indiana I think,
but

00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:24.397
but he was, I thought he was a good
provost and he was he had just had a

00:26:24.430 --> 00:26:28.647
different way of operating like they
all do and of course everyone was

00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:33.867
used to carl's style which was quite
laid back and kind of folksy and

00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:39.217
paige was really all business in the
fast mover so you know, there was a

00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:43.217
little change there, but but he was
great to work with dr um kept in

00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:47.897
contact with him for a while, the last
time I talked to him was about all

00:26:47.930 --> 00:26:52.957
three, about four years ago, he
stopped in to see me when he was here. His

00:26:52.990 --> 00:26:57.647
daughter works in the on campus, his
daughter in law, excuse me, works on

00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:05.680
campus in um comptroller's office I
think Marilyn Mahone

00:27:06.029 --> 00:27:11.707
and who's next? Jack Kinzinger
Kinzinger,

00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:15.157
he was a great one to, I've enjoyed
all my bosses actually, they've all

00:27:15.190 --> 00:27:21.707
been so different. Um he was a mover
and a shaker. Um he immediately, one

00:27:21.740 --> 00:27:24.986
of the first things he did I remember
was I was trying to get us involved

00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:31.806
with some kind of a program in
Mauritania and I just was just thrown into

00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:36.576
this sort of and I was assistant to at
the time thrown into this new world

00:27:36.609 --> 00:27:41.796
of working with all kinds of people
and thoughts and concepts that I had

00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:45.486
never never had before

00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:53.347
in africa. And uh so um but he had a
lot of good things and I'm thinking

00:27:53.380 --> 00:27:59.127
um the research park was one of the
things that he was under his reign

00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.937
that he was responsible for, pushed to
get that and and it was big and

00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:07.457
everybody thought, you know this is
never gonna work, it's you know, it's

00:28:07.490 --> 00:28:11.066
not going to support itself and and I
think it was probably touch and go

00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:16.677
there for a while, but of course now
we know that it's doing well. So

00:28:16.710 --> 00:28:22.357
that's one of the things I remember he
was responsible for. Um, he was big

00:28:22.390 --> 00:28:30.390
on diversity practice that in staffing
and um, he was, he was a good guy.

00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:35.707
Had the staff grown a lot from the
four people?

00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:38.996
Yes. Um,

00:28:39.029 --> 00:28:45.357
I think at that time There were two
assistant to the vice president or to

00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:50.986
the provost and each of them had a
staff person, he had a secretary, I was

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:57.397
executive assistant to, I think at the
time. Um, so we maybe had gone to

00:28:57.430 --> 00:29:04.806
six or eight instead of four

00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:09.306
and that would have been under nelson
was the president nelson did that

00:29:09.339 --> 00:29:12.576
make a big difference of who the
president was and the relationship

00:29:12.609 --> 00:29:19.637
between the, the vice president or
provost president? Well, um, the

00:29:19.670 --> 00:29:24.526
provost or the vice president has
always been, you know, second in command

00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:30.707
to the president. So there's always
been a close relationship there. Um,

00:29:30.740 --> 00:29:34.437
I'm not sure whether it's just my
memory or if it was true, but I don't

00:29:34.470 --> 00:29:40.127
recall Carl and Suada being having a
whole lot of interaction of course

00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:48.160
they did, but not as much as
presidents after that. Um, Russ nelson was

00:29:48.740 --> 00:29:52.806
not quite as much of a hands on
president of others, but he started that

00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:59.857
way and, and he, and uh, I'm pretty
sure he and the, my bosses had more of

00:29:59.890 --> 00:30:06.447
a connection or met more often than
than the earlier with carl, somebody

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:12.316
described as being more aloof and kind
of staying to himself in his office

00:30:12.349 --> 00:30:17.127
and not out shaking hands and meeting
people as much. Is that your

00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:22.907
impression? Absolutely talk about that
a little bit. Um I don't think the

00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:27.256
students would have known who he was,
he just didn't get around, you know

00:30:27.289 --> 00:30:32.717
, walk around campus like others did.
Um pretty much stayed in his office

00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:37.377
and worked there and we would see him
occasionally in the, in the offices

00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:41.967
, but not a lot, you know, whereas
other presidents that was like a

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:48.766
revolving door back and forth between
our office and their office. Um And

00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:53.536
as each president came more and more
and more, I would say, so not so much

00:30:53.569 --> 00:30:58.026
with swat to a little bit more with
Russ and then laddie of course, um

00:30:58.059 --> 00:31:06.059
very hands on. You know, every student
knew his name and

00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:12.877
after Jack Kinzinger, there was
Roland, Roland Hayden just a couple of

00:31:12.910 --> 00:31:19.397
years. Yeah. Roland had been the dean
of the engineering college and was

00:31:19.430 --> 00:31:22.407
asked to take the position.

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.857
It wasn't an interim. I mean it was
actually an actual appointment. So,

00:31:25.890 --> 00:31:28.917
but I think the idea was it was going
to be for a short period of time

00:31:28.950 --> 00:31:33.447
probably while they were looking for
someone else, as I remember what was

00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:38.016
he like, he was an engineer.

00:31:38.049 --> 00:31:43.506
He was, people were terrified of him
at first because he had a reputation

00:31:43.539 --> 00:31:51.539
of being very stern. All business was
sometimes a temper. Um, but I never

00:31:52.710 --> 00:31:57.826
found that to be true, I found him to
be kind hearted and, and good and,

00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:03.056
and easy to work with. So maybe he
changed when he got to our office, I

00:32:03.089 --> 00:32:07.726
don't know, but but he did have that
reputation and perhaps he was that

00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.546
way with with others with deans and
things and people that he needed to

00:32:12.579 --> 00:32:18.197
have them, you know, pay attention to
what he meant. But are there any

00:32:18.230 --> 00:32:24.197
major issues during his time? Hmm.

00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:27.516
What were the years?

00:32:27.549 --> 00:32:34.016
Eighties 87 88. Yeah, probably. But I
don't quite honestly, I don't

00:32:34.049 --> 00:32:36.107
remember.

00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:43.207
So then he was replaced by Richard
peck. Yeah. Um Richard peck was

00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.167
academic vice president or no, I guess
he was provost. Is that what my

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:53.086
notes said provost? Okay. Really? For
just one year and then he was here a

00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:58.117
second year, but the second year he
was acting president. And so those

00:32:58.150 --> 00:33:01.726
were part of the times when Elmer
Gooding, you know, it was, it was in and

00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:06.506
out of our office during those times
and that was one of them.

00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:11.806
Um let's see who was president. Do I
have the years there? Sure, I think

00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:19.839
cooler would've been president by
actually it probably was before core

00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:29.740
one stepping down and not, you know?
No, not replaced is my guess.

00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:35.187
So he was not really there very long

00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:41.226
and then in, he was like I said
provost, he was acting president and then

00:33:41.259 --> 00:33:45.937
instead of coming back to join us
again he was offered the presidency at

00:33:45.970 --> 00:33:50.957
um in Mexico I think. And so he left
to go there. So he wasn't here very

00:33:50.990 --> 00:33:56.097
long. Those were the days when our
office was considered to be the

00:33:56.130 --> 00:34:00.056
revolving door of provosts because
they were there like Roland was there

00:34:00.089 --> 00:34:02.907
just for a couple of years, Dick was
there for a couple of years and more

00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:09.017
was in between when we were looking
for people and um did that make it

00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:12.577
more difficult to do your job? You
weren't sure who your boss was going to

00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:17.006
be? No, not really because you know in
in those kinds of jobs there are

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:21.497
just things that you do routinely. Um
so it didn't make it any more

00:34:21.530 --> 00:34:27.217
difficult. It's just it's just nice to
have a boss one that's going to

00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:33.686
stay and and when um let's see, I
guess it was was Milt Glick when he was

00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:38.467
interviewed, I remember that was we
had so many provosts and in the

00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:42.916
interview people were asking him well
how long will you stay? You know, so

00:34:42.949 --> 00:34:47.597
he promised he would stay at least
five years And he ended up staying 15,

00:34:47.630 --> 00:34:53.796
which was great. He's the he's the
longest term. Yeah, yeah. So what was

00:34:53.829 --> 00:34:58.706
it like when he came?

00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:04.697
Well um he was a great great um
provost in my mind one of the best that I

00:35:04.730 --> 00:35:10.686
think we've ever had. He he got a lot
of things going that were um had

00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.456
sort of been on hold because nothing
had been happening when we'd have a

00:35:14.489 --> 00:35:18.577
provost for, you know, one year, two
years acting here. So he really got

00:35:18.610 --> 00:35:22.986
things going. He got the faculty
involved in administration, got their

00:35:23.019 --> 00:35:29.307
confidence was active with the Senate
and

00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:34.816
I can't remember what time, I guess A
S U west was under page mo Holland's

00:35:34.849 --> 00:35:40.006
time. I was thinking about that too.
Um so, so it wasn't an issue west,

00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:46.236
but when we started growing really
fast, I think was under under melt

00:35:46.269 --> 00:35:51.006
would have been the east campus maybe.
Yeah, these campus under him.

00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.307
Remember how that came about? Was that
that was a big deal, wasn't it?

00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:57.407
Yeah. Um

00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.256
you know, they're they're um I don't
really remember how it came about now.

00:36:02.289 --> 00:36:05.967
 I should, but Charles.

00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.706
Did he? Mm hmm. Well, of course he was
the provost out there when it got

00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:14.896
going. So, but

00:36:14.929 --> 00:36:21.387
but anyway, melt. Uh one of his goals
was to increase enrollment and boy

00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:24.396
did he?

00:36:24.429 --> 00:36:29.356
And of course, over the different
years with the different provos, we've

00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:33.787
added more vice presidents and you
know, with different roles for each of

00:36:33.820 --> 00:36:38.847
them. So he had there were and there
and all the deans of course report to

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.287
the provost. So a lot of the vice
president's reported to the provost, He

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:48.756
was just really active hands on, he
was very involved with President Core

00:36:48.789 --> 00:36:54.997
and then later President Crow, when
Michael came in as a matter of fact,

00:36:55.030 --> 00:37:00.206
Michael was a consultant that Jack,
that, excuse me, that Milt brought to

00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:08.006
campus, um, for a couple of years
before Michael became president here. So

00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.557
we interacted with Mike when he came
to visit on his consulting business

00:37:12.590 --> 00:37:20.590
with Milt and they were colleagues um,
before in Iowa, I think. So, you

00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:26.157
got to know Michael Crowe before he
became president. What was your first

00:37:26.190 --> 00:37:32.847
impression of him? Hmm, in that role
or as president for the first time?

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:38.896
The first time I met him, um,

00:37:38.929 --> 00:37:46.929
a firecracker, I guess even then,
yeah, he was just all go, we had all

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.936
kinds of ideas, I can remember melt
saying that he was the smartest person

00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:57.827
he's ever known. So coming from a
provost that's saying something and he,

00:37:57.860 --> 00:38:03.026
and he had like all kinds of ideas for
the university through mail to what

00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:08.396
in his consulting role, things we
could do. So, um, and he was in and out

00:38:08.429 --> 00:38:12.356
probably, you know, a couple, two or
three times a year would come into

00:38:12.389 --> 00:38:16.497
the office and talk with Milt. So I
didn't have that much interaction with

00:38:16.530 --> 00:38:19.706
him other than to know who he was to
say hi and you know, that kind of

00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:23.486
thing.

00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.177
But sometimes that's when you kind of
get to know people to, how did he

00:38:28.210 --> 00:38:34.677
remember you when he came back and was
he? I think so. I'm sure he did.

00:38:34.710 --> 00:38:36.887
Yeah.

00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:41.396
Okay. So it sounds like you've had the
longest term. They're by far of any

00:38:41.429 --> 00:38:48.546
of these people in some ways. You
probably ran the office I think. So.

00:38:48.579 --> 00:38:53.267
They always said so. Yeah, that's one
of the things that I enjoy doing is

00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:59.887
um I'm I don't like to be in the
spotlight, I like to be behind the scenes.

00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:07.626
I enjoy making sure that my boss or my
colleagues look good to do

00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:11.856
whatever it takes, you know, to make
that happen. Um to make sure the

00:39:11.889 --> 00:39:17.236
offices looks good at the office has a
good reputation and um I've been

00:39:17.269 --> 00:39:21.776
told by many that it did and it was an
office where many people aspired to

00:39:21.809 --> 00:39:26.606
work over the years and that gives me
a lot of pleasure. Yeah. And

00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.486
particularly when you were going
through all the transitions and the

00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:35.037
acting periods, exactly, you would be
the one that had the continuity

00:39:35.070 --> 00:39:39.217
there. You know, what, what needed to
be done, what deadlines need to be

00:39:39.250 --> 00:39:44.747
met, what border regions policies we
needed to pay attention to and that

00:39:44.780 --> 00:39:50.267
kind of thing. Didn't they rely on you
to kind of train the new provost?

00:39:50.300 --> 00:39:52.296
Um

00:39:52.329 --> 00:39:57.947
um Well I guess a little bit, I mean
you really do train them in some ways

00:39:57.980 --> 00:40:04.316
just with the basics and provos have
joked, you know, that I've trained

00:40:04.349 --> 00:40:08.336
more provosts than you know, anybody
they know. So I guess there's a

00:40:08.369 --> 00:40:14.356
little training involved just for the
basics, of course, especially if

00:40:14.389 --> 00:40:18.916
they're new to campus, you can find
their way around. Oh yes, that's

00:40:18.949 --> 00:40:23.336
always a challenge.

00:40:23.369 --> 00:40:27.646
You know, Albert Gooding came in with
several times, talk a little bit

00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.077
about him.

00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:38.110
Alma is I'd say Elmer and Milt
together are the one of, if I have to say a

00:40:39.449 --> 00:40:44.956
favorite, some of my favorite provos
and that's because of their, their

00:40:44.989 --> 00:40:51.376
work style, their work ethic. Um

00:40:51.409 --> 00:40:56.947
they they will melt would say he never
was a mentor, but these

00:40:56.980 --> 00:41:00.977
administrators definitely our mentors
just by observation, you learn from

00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:09.010
them and the two of them, Elmer and
melt were

00:41:09.710 --> 00:41:13.447
the fairest. They were so fair to
people that was up most I think when

00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.467
they were, when they were dealing in
hard situations, making difficult

00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:21.077
decisions, they always had in mind
what was fair to the employee, whether

00:41:21.110 --> 00:41:24.927
it's a faculty member or a staff
member and you know, you just witnessed

00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.037
that through what they did and it was
and it just stuck with me. Do you

00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:36.327
have any examples of that? Well
probably I shouldn't talk about them,

00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.276
you know? No,

00:41:40.309 --> 00:41:43.776
that's probably the best part

00:41:43.809 --> 00:41:47.276
you were talking about their their
work style. Is that you know, what do

00:41:47.309 --> 00:41:53.876
you mean by that? Um Well for me, um
what I liked about their work style

00:41:53.909 --> 00:41:59.697
was they included me, I was more of a
confidante um a right hand person,

00:41:59.730 --> 00:42:06.767
so to so to speak, so that um, in, in
all of my, in the position with all

00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:11.557
of my provos, one of the best parts
about it is that you see the big

00:42:11.590 --> 00:42:15.756
picture and you know where the
skeletons are and you know things that you

00:42:15.789 --> 00:42:21.626
never tell and you know things like
that so that's a fun thing and they

00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:26.677
but they really didn't include me and
gave me a more responsibility um

00:42:26.710 --> 00:42:33.157
Milk especially um um he turned over
the office to me to be director of

00:42:33.190 --> 00:42:36.847
the office in addition to being
assistant to him. And so I had sort of two

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:42.467
hats under his regime which was kind
of nice and just you know allowed you

00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:49.396
to expand and have more responsibility
in different areas and um increased

00:42:49.429 --> 00:42:54.157
people that reported to me so that I
had supervisory responsibility as

00:42:54.190 --> 00:43:00.467
well and just just a real career
growth mode through um through him. And

00:43:00.500 --> 00:43:05.947
did you get more pay by that too?
Yeah. You know always as you're promoted

00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:11.117
up the line you get more pay so. Yes.
Yes I know sometimes that the state

00:43:11.150 --> 00:43:17.706
um salary systems is not easy. Yes
that's exactly right but you know um as

00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:20.967
you get promoted usually there's money
assigned to that and if you have

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:27.146
increased responsibilities then
there's a way to to be able to be rewarded

00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:33.566
for that. So I was fortunate to have
that happen.

00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:37.367
What about you know the your last

00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:44.066
executive vice president and
university provost Elizabeth Capaldi. Mhm.

00:43:44.099 --> 00:43:50.017
She's been here um a little over a
year. She started in august a year ago

00:43:50.050 --> 00:43:54.736
, august so she's been here about a
year and a half now and she came from

00:43:54.769 --> 00:44:02.769
the Sunni system in new york and um
she has

00:44:02.989 --> 00:44:06.387
changed, she has a different way of
doing things that every one of them

00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:10.126
has. You know as I mentioned to you
it's not just her it's it's all of

00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:18.159
them but she has a different work
style whereas other people

00:44:18.489 --> 00:44:22.977
would give you all of the information
that you needed, what I was privy to

00:44:23.010 --> 00:44:28.936
just about all of the information um
with the new provost she sort of

00:44:28.969 --> 00:44:33.256
compartmentalizes and just gives
people information that they need to know.

00:44:33.289 --> 00:44:37.927
So that's a big change. Um from seeing
you still see the big picture but

00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.867
sometimes you only get pieces of it
and you have to piece it together that

00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:47.356
way. But that's okay, that's just her
style. So imagine it's probably

00:44:47.389 --> 00:44:51.827
always difficult coming to a brand new
place and she's just within here a

00:44:51.860 --> 00:44:57.427
year or so you think she'll change I
won't I won't be here to find out but

00:44:57.460 --> 00:45:02.296
I keep in touch with the office. So so
no I think that's her style and

00:45:02.329 --> 00:45:07.206
that's that's fine. Um It works for
some people.

00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.407
Is it different having a woman in that
position? It's the first woman

00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.057
that's ever been in that position.
That's right,

00:45:15.090 --> 00:45:20.026
it is different you know um

00:45:20.059 --> 00:45:25.247
And I had not worked for a woman
administrator. Well except for one, there

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.157
was one assistant to the vice
president many years ago that I worked for

00:45:30.190 --> 00:45:36.686
and um I don't know, I think women
administrators are have a hard job

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:43.456
because there held to the standard of
a man and and maybe even beyond that

00:45:43.489 --> 00:45:47.916
because they are women I think
sometimes so they have to work harder and

00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:55.057
try harder, it seems like to me um but

00:45:55.090 --> 00:45:59.376
but that's okay,

00:45:59.409 --> 00:46:07.247
sort of always still have to be
proving they can do the job.

00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.316
Well, I know you said it's um it's
hard to talk about, you know, any

00:46:12.349 --> 00:46:16.776
specifics, but are there any over all
the years you've been here any

00:46:16.809 --> 00:46:21.577
particular times of things that
happened that you'd want to tell us talk

00:46:21.610 --> 00:46:27.146
about and have on the record here. Um

00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:32.617
Well let's see. There was times that I
remember that we're sort of a big

00:46:32.650 --> 00:46:38.376
deal were when we were awarded
research one status, I don't remember what

00:46:38.409 --> 00:46:41.336
year that was, but I remember that
people were all excited about it,

00:46:41.369 --> 00:46:49.369
especially the president and and my
boss. Um people were excited about

00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:56.907
hiring faculty that had national
recognition recognition like national

00:46:56.940 --> 00:47:04.017
Academy faculty Nobel prize winning
faculty that we have and just other

00:47:04.050 --> 00:47:08.347
awards for faculty. Those were always
a big deal.

00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:13.427
Um Of course everybody is always
waiting for the U. S. News and world

00:47:13.460 --> 00:47:18.847
report to come out to see what our
ranking is. That was always a big deal.

00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:24.356
Sometimes a letdown. But when did that
start becoming a big deal? Um, I

00:47:24.389 --> 00:47:30.367
think my memory is in, during
president course regime is when we really

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.396
took notice of that and started making
efforts to, to see if there's a way

00:47:34.429 --> 00:47:39.847
we could get our rankings up in
different programs and for the school.

00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:47.506
Um, Rose bowl was a big deal. And
you've been to a couple of those. Just

00:47:47.539 --> 00:47:52.447
the one I think just the one have we
been to to Roosevelt's anybody know?

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:58.046
Two? Okay. Um

00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:02.236
Oh, okay. Yeah.

00:48:02.269 --> 00:48:06.666
Was the one, I remember the first, the
first one. First one thought there

00:48:06.699 --> 00:48:14.699
was another one. Did you get any of
those? No. Mm hmm. Did not. Um, let's

00:48:16.150 --> 00:48:20.447
see what other things kind of a big
deal. And we had the presidential

00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.396
debate here that damage

00:48:24.429 --> 00:48:27.336
And uh

00:48:27.369 --> 00:48:33.867
Barry Goldwater's funeral. Ah was it
just some of the things that sort of

00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:38.836
stand out in my memory?

00:48:38.869 --> 00:48:44.347
The Pope was here too. That's right.
Yeah. He was in Sun Devil Stadium and

00:48:44.380 --> 00:48:52.380
we had to cover up all the sparky
logos. I remember that. Why devil? It's

00:48:54.650 --> 00:48:58.967
the devil? You can't have the devil
with the Pope coming. I hadn't thought

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.336
of that.

00:49:01.369 --> 00:49:08.336
You've had quite a lot of celebrities,
but that was a bigger one. Mhm.

00:49:08.369 --> 00:49:13.736
What? I was involved with Ronald
Reagan.

00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:18.736
That was, that was a Big one. Security
Wise.

00:49:18.769 --> 00:49:26.017
The dalai lava. Yeah. Yeah. There's
been a few, haven't there?

00:49:26.050 --> 00:49:30.767
I remember because I was at channel
eight and we were televising both of

00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.736
those in charge of the crews and the
parking.

00:49:36.769 --> 00:49:42.037
Where can you park the truck, getting
the crew up there if you can't park

00:49:42.070 --> 00:49:50.070
there for the Dalai Lama Ronald Reagan
particularly. Yeah.

00:49:51.070 --> 00:49:56.217
See what about some of the other
notable things that went on? You've been

00:49:56.250 --> 00:50:00.747
here for so long. Uh Do you remember
frank kush and the football things

00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:05.827
that were going on during that period?
Did you get involved at all?

00:50:05.860 --> 00:50:11.347
Not involved but of course aware of it
and um I think it went all the way

00:50:11.380 --> 00:50:17.186
up to the president's office. I'm sure
it did. Um it did but you know,

00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:22.796
just to be aware of it and and hear
about it that it was going on but not

00:50:22.829 --> 00:50:26.927
to be involved in it. Anyway.

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:31.117
What about the expansion, you talked
about the growth campuses but what

00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:38.267
about when A. S. U. West was the first
extra. Yeah think about that. I

00:50:38.300 --> 00:50:42.626
remember it was just huge of course it
was our first leap into having

00:50:42.659 --> 00:50:46.907
multi campuses. It was

00:50:46.940 --> 00:50:54.077
by legislative action of course and it
was something that and I believe

00:50:54.110 --> 00:50:56.907
this I think it was under page
Mulholland if I remember right when that

00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:02.977
happened um that he really was worked
hard to achieve and was happy when

00:51:03.010 --> 00:51:08.807
it happened and we all were to until
you get down to the nuts and bolts of

00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.896
it and then it's like, now wait a
minute, you know, they want to do their

00:51:12.929 --> 00:51:15.436
own thing and they're supposed to be
part of the university and it was

00:51:15.469 --> 00:51:21.006
sort of like a little struggle, you
know, to um, were they a part of us or

00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:26.767
were they a separate sort of
university on their own? And, and I think um

00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.296
, when they decided they were going to
have their own colors, which was

00:51:30.329 --> 00:51:33.396
teal and something, I mean that was,
it was like, okay, now wait a minute

00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:35.526
,

00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:41.646
this isn't gonna happen. So, and then,
you know, as people got used to the

00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:46.206
notion of the other campus, it was
like, well just let them do their own

00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.526
thing. And of course they had their
own accreditation at one time, that's

00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:54.486
what they wanted and they got, and now
we're back to accreditation for,

00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:58.566
you know, all of us, the soul
centralized, decentralized thing that keeps

00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:06.247
rolling around. Um, so, um, so yeah,
it was kind of a tug of war with the

00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:10.367
west campus, you know, we wanted to
have it and we got it, they want to do

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.517
their thing, they didn't want to be
part of us and now they are part of us

00:52:13.550 --> 00:52:18.997
and uh, then it was like let them do
their own thing, you know? So I know

00:52:19.030 --> 00:52:23.217
one of the people we interviewed
talked about it that it was sort of a a

00:52:23.250 --> 00:52:30.077
surprise, but when the land was
donated and it was like, where is it? Way

00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:34.947
out there. Yeah. It just seemed like
it was way in almost to California at

00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:40.137
the time, doesn't it? Yeah. Because
there was nothing there nothing there.

00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:43.347
So that must have been a challenge to
figure out. How do you start

00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:46.847
building a holder campus

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:53.017
and get students to come and mm hmm.
And now look at it. Were you involved

00:52:53.050 --> 00:52:59.796
in all with that or just

00:52:59.829 --> 00:53:02.767
one of the other challenges some
people have talked about are the years

00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:09.077
when there were budget cuts going
through. Remember how that affected your

00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:15.126
office? I do a little bit because of
course the provost was then

00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.646
responsible for um, allocating money
to the colleges and to the other

00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.997
officers report to us and when we had
bad budget years, there wasn't

00:53:24.030 --> 00:53:29.117
enough money. Um, and poor Elmer has,
has ever been interviewed. He's

00:53:29.150 --> 00:53:33.447
probably probably spoke a little bit
about that. He he sort of ended up a

00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:38.497
couple of times as I recall of being
the bearer of bad news on his watch

00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:42.236
when we had very little money with the
budget. And it's, that's a hard

00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:47.697
thing, especially when you're trying
to grow and increase enrollment and

00:53:47.730 --> 00:53:51.756
hire new faculty and you just don't
have the money to do it. So it was, it

00:53:51.789 --> 00:53:58.816
was difficult. I remember,

00:53:58.849 --> 00:54:04.236
is there any other challenging times
that you can think of, particularly

00:54:04.269 --> 00:54:09.157
memorable survivor? Well,

00:54:09.190 --> 00:54:12.907
the budgets were, you know, because
they came off and those were often

00:54:12.940 --> 00:54:16.256
really probably the most challenging
that I can remember from our office

00:54:16.289 --> 00:54:21.006
perspective, um

00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:25.106
which impacted morale, which was
always, you know, then a challenge to

00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:29.177
increase morale for faculty and staff
and those kinds of things happened

00:54:29.210 --> 00:54:34.717
and keep good people from leaving to
take other jobs and oh, those, that's

00:54:34.750 --> 00:54:40.307
, those are always hard decisions.

00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:46.006
Is there any one thing during your
career here that you're proudest of

00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.506
personally?

00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:54.727
Probably um the reputation of the
provost's office? I think it had a

00:54:54.760 --> 00:55:02.086
stellar reputation um and I think I
had a part to play in that and I'm, it

00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:07.206
gives me satisfaction and I'm quite
proud of that,

00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:13.206
you say the office has moved now, when
did that take place?

00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.666
And 2.5 years ago, it'll be three
years in february february 14th actually

00:55:17.699 --> 00:55:22.657
I remember, and at the time uh

00:55:22.690 --> 00:55:27.727
and Milk Glick was still the provost
and we were in the old building and

00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:32.247
it was an old building and we really
didn't want to leave, you know, it

00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:38.887
was like that was home and um I was
just so I thought, you know, when they

00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:43.767
built the Fulton Center, it looked so
sterile and so corporate and you

00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.517
know, why did we have to move? We were
in the center of campus where the

00:55:46.550 --> 00:55:51.986
students were and right across from
the Emu we were in the hub and you

00:55:52.019 --> 00:55:57.577
know, I couldn't imagine that it would
just ever be the same again. And I

00:55:57.610 --> 00:56:01.497
just thought it was going to be so sad
when I had to leave that building,

00:56:01.530 --> 00:56:05.997
but when we moved into the new
building it was like wow, this is cool,

00:56:06.030 --> 00:56:13.177
it'll work, you know, and you just
don't look back, so nobody missed the

00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:17.197
old building and you know, it was so
nice to have workspace and nice

00:56:17.230 --> 00:56:21.557
furnishings and you know, a nice
building and we still have the students

00:56:21.590 --> 00:56:25.416
around us, you know, um in that,
because the campus is sort of moving

00:56:25.449 --> 00:56:30.287
north, tell me where is the new
building and describe it for me, it's on

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.767
the corner of college and University
on the northeast corner, it started

00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:40.356
out being the foundation building
because we lease it from the foundation

00:56:40.389 --> 00:56:45.606
, they built it and we, we leased the
space in there and then it was later

00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:52.077
changed to be named after Ira Fulton
called the Fulton Center And it's six

00:56:52.110 --> 00:56:56.617
stories in the 6th and the 5th Floor
Foundation offices and the fourth

00:56:56.650 --> 00:57:02.836
floor is the president's office and
the provost's office and the third

00:57:02.869 --> 00:57:09.197
floor are other vice presidents, like
public affairs and

00:57:09.230 --> 00:57:14.307
Carol Campbell's offices um and
general counsel and those kind of things.

00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:18.896
2nd floor is student affairs and first
floor is the liberal arts

00:57:18.929 --> 00:57:23.677
primarily and some student offices, so
it's a very nice building, very

00:57:23.710 --> 00:57:28.186
nice, I enjoyed working there,
Fulton's name is ending up on a lot of

00:57:28.219 --> 00:57:35.796
buildings described which one this is

00:57:35.829 --> 00:57:42.267
um so, so it's been a good move. It
was a great movie. Yeah, it was

00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:45.526
thought that the foundation couldn't
have nicer office than the president

00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.666
or

00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:52.767
um yeah, you know, I sort of remember
something along those lines. The

00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.396
President's office is very nice. I
don't know if you've been there but

00:57:55.429 --> 00:58:00.046
it's, it's very, very nice. So are the
foundation offices so they're

00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.247
pretty close but maybe there's just a
little bit better, a little bit

00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:08.486
better view.

00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.546
We're in about three minutes pam. You
wanna change tape or you want to

00:58:11.579 --> 00:58:13.586
pinch

00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:17.887
have a couple more things to ask you
about. Are there some things that you

00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.287
wanted to talk about that we didn't
talk about?

00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:26.066
I don't, I think so. Probably when I
get home I'll think of something I

00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:28.387
should have said

00:58:28.420 --> 00:58:31.086
june do you have some things that
you're thinking? We should have asked

00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:36.577
her how about you bob?

00:58:36.610 --> 00:58:42.387
I would be very interested in linda's

00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:49.407
perspective related to the university
image. Images. Hello and the

00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:55.066
communication aspects.

00:58:55.099 --> 00:58:58.456
I might have to write it down

00:58:58.489 --> 00:59:04.086
the technology and communications has
tied together to create the image

00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:10.477
that we now have over because we
haven't always had the image and the

00:59:10.510 --> 00:59:15.486
recognition and I think a lot these
technology

00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:20.456
combined with the communication that
we created on campus pretty much the

00:59:20.489 --> 00:59:27.186
poster, our image almost Yeah.

00:59:27.219 --> 00:59:31.787
You mind maybe I'll put the word No,
no, I think you're right. I, I guess

00:59:31.820 --> 00:59:39.586
I haven't really thought about that
but I'm talking to him

00:59:39.619 --> 00:59:47.619
but um I know that the current
president and the provost are very aware of

00:59:48.989 --> 00:59:55.477
that that image and though there's a
lot being a lot of attention being

00:59:55.510 --> 01:00:01.396
played to technology for pretty well
for web pages for example, I mean I

01:00:01.429 --> 01:00:07.177
don't know if you look at the web but
it it changes um almost constantly.

01:00:07.210 --> 01:00:12.066
Um in the early days we had, when we
had webpages we had a web page and it

01:00:12.099 --> 01:00:15.747
looked the same every time you went
there and now you know they update it

01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:19.776
with things that are happening and
going on and um and the president of

01:00:19.809 --> 01:00:24.276
course has the blog and the provost
has the blog and you know, all of that

01:00:24.309 --> 01:00:29.617
kind of technology to help with the
image that bob's talking about. So

01:00:29.650 --> 01:00:35.177
yeah it's it's it's very important and
has helped I think,

01:00:35.210 --> 01:00:40.876
okay this is tape to with linda Vince

01:00:40.909 --> 01:00:46.026
um Let's talk a little bit about the
changes you've seen over, you know,

01:00:46.059 --> 01:00:50.706
36 years at the university. Um we
talked about the growth and some of

01:00:50.739 --> 01:00:56.177
those changes, but what about
technology um when you first came you said

01:00:56.210 --> 01:00:59.697
something about you were sent over,
what did you call it to the

01:00:59.730 --> 01:01:05.526
engineering college that they were
doing word? Word word processing. Yeah.

01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:10.807
So what was that technically like at
that point? Yeah, well that goes

01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:16.106
back to sort of like Caveman days
doesn't um when I was in the word

01:01:16.139 --> 01:01:21.416
processing pool in, in engineering in
the Dean's office, we had one of the

01:01:21.449 --> 01:01:28.856
very first word processing machines
which was called a magnetic tape

01:01:28.889 --> 01:01:35.006
select IQ Selectric typewriter and M.
T. S. D. And honestly the thing was

01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:40.026
enormous. I mean it was the size of
one of those tables and one person

01:01:40.059 --> 01:01:44.646
used it and it had a tape system to it
and so we learned how to use that.

01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:49.736
And that was sort of the leap into
what we now know and getting rid of

01:01:49.769 --> 01:01:54.356
the self correcting typewriters and
liquid paper and white out. And I

01:01:54.389 --> 01:02:00.467
think what was the advantage of that
machine? What could it do that? Well

01:02:00.500 --> 01:02:05.916
you didn't have to worry about
correcting carbon paper, carbon copies like

01:02:05.949 --> 01:02:12.376
we did in the old days and it would
merge you know, addresses for letters

01:02:12.409 --> 01:02:17.097
with the text. I mean it was magical.
The things that it could do and

01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:20.896
store and stored at that time. What we
thought was quite a bit of of

01:02:20.929 --> 01:02:27.736
memory. So that was my first
introduction into that kind of a technology.

01:02:27.769 --> 01:02:34.077
I learned to use that at the time. And
do you remember those kind of those

01:02:34.110 --> 01:02:38.907
machines what they are working in Los
Angeles for buy magnums advertising

01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:43.006
department and they sent me for a week
of training to learn how to set

01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:50.336
type for ads center it or justified
left and right. Yeah. Okay. That was

01:02:50.369 --> 01:02:58.157
amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. So
bringing back memories and so then over

01:02:58.190 --> 01:03:01.827
the years you've seen a lot of
changes. Why don't you talk about some of

01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:05.276
the technological changes that go on
behind the scenes to keep the

01:03:05.309 --> 01:03:12.477
university um with the advent of that
then of course there was the

01:03:12.510 --> 01:03:16.296
personal computers and then and not
everybody had one at one time because

01:03:16.329 --> 01:03:19.307
they were so expensive and there would
be just certain people in offices

01:03:19.340 --> 01:03:22.557
that had them but event. But now we
have them and now we have people with

01:03:22.590 --> 01:03:28.347
two or two or three screens on their
desk. And and a lot of the work we

01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:36.380
did initially um was done by hand with
the catalog for example, you would

01:03:36.380 --> 01:03:42.106
make changes, you would handwrite
changes on a paper copy and send them

01:03:42.139 --> 01:03:47.927
over to june pain. Let her take them
to the printer. And then you would

01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:53.787
have proofs back and forth. And it was
a long process and of course ah the

01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:57.606
changes today the changes are
immediate. You know, you can put them up on

01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.396
the web as soon as they happen back
then you waited a year to make a

01:04:01.429 --> 01:04:07.006
change in the catalog. Same with other
publications like the roster of

01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:11.427
committees at the university uses
those were all done by hand and then

01:04:11.460 --> 01:04:17.267
done through publications to a
printer. So same with the policy manuals.

01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:21.017
Um you know, it's amazing to think
back that could how do we ever have the

01:04:21.050 --> 01:04:24.686
time to change all those things in
that in that way? When you think about

01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:32.106
how we change them now and the office
that was responsible for putting

01:04:32.139 --> 01:04:35.736
together the catalog, the general and
the graduate catalog and the

01:04:35.769 --> 01:04:40.157
policies and the procedures manuals.
Um, eventually we came to report to

01:04:40.190 --> 01:04:46.686
our office and and to me. And so I was
involved with the process of when

01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:53.767
the catalog made the change to go
electronic. And for many years we had an

01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:59.557
electronic version and a paper version
because we just thought, oh my gosh

01:04:59.590 --> 01:05:03.347
, you know, some people don't have
computers, they can't, they won't have

01:05:03.380 --> 01:05:10.557
access. You know, how will they get to
see a catalog? And so up until just

01:05:10.590 --> 01:05:15.856
two years ago, we printed catalogs, a
certain number of printed catalogs.

01:05:15.889 --> 01:05:20.106
Um, in addition to the electronic
version. And now we're just strictly

01:05:20.139 --> 01:05:24.327
with the electronic version of the
catalog. So that's, that's huge. And

01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.756
like I say, you know, you get your
name out there, people all over the

01:05:27.789 --> 01:05:32.586
world click on it and see what our web
page looks like and what we offer

01:05:32.619 --> 01:05:37.227
and what our programs are. And so it's
it's remember when the university

01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:45.260
first got a web page, Was that a major
decision? Hmm.

01:05:45.489 --> 01:05:53.489
You know, I'm I'm thinking, um, it
must have been in the 15 years when

01:05:54.590 --> 01:05:58.646
that time when MIlt Glick was there.
Because I remember he hired people

01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:05.336
just to do web development. So that
would be my guess maybe within the

01:06:05.369 --> 01:06:11.356
last 15, 17 years ago, something like
that? 15 to 17 years ago today that

01:06:11.389 --> 01:06:15.646
I can't imagine the university or
anybody not having. Exactly. Yeah, but

01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.947
that was a big deal. It was a big
deal. Um Hmm. And was your office

01:06:19.980 --> 01:06:24.537
responsible for overseeing that or how
did they decide who's going to be

01:06:24.570 --> 01:06:28.546
in charge of?

01:06:28.579 --> 01:06:32.477
Well, now getting in a little bit of
an area that I'm not too familiar

01:06:32.510 --> 01:06:37.336
with, but I know that information
technology had a role in that in some

01:06:37.369 --> 01:06:42.376
way and that the provost's office did
because like I said, I know that

01:06:42.409 --> 01:06:46.916
Milk click hired a person. I remember
just to do the web pages, but it

01:06:46.949 --> 01:06:52.447
wasn't an area that that I was
involved in at the time. But as it grew,

01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:57.506
how does the university keep track of
what goes on all those web pages

01:06:57.539 --> 01:07:01.597
that all the different departments
have to control? Something doesn't go

01:07:01.630 --> 01:07:04.876
on that they don't want on there.
Yeah, Well there's a whole office who

01:07:04.909 --> 01:07:08.847
does that now and it's it's out of the
provost's office and there's a

01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:15.347
staff of, oh my gosh, you know, Maybe
10 or 12 people, I think that work

01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:20.867
work on it to keep it updated and, and
items do go through them for

01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:25.436
approval or through them through the
provost or other administrators for

01:07:25.469 --> 01:07:29.787
approval, I should say. So that
there's some control over, you know what,

01:07:29.820 --> 01:07:36.327
what goes on there? All these people
basically. It is, yeah. How did how

01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.916
did it affect you? I mean, you're in
the middle there all those changes.

01:07:40.949 --> 01:07:46.626
Can you tell us a little bit about
that? Well, you know, just like with

01:07:46.659 --> 01:07:49.666
change, you know, it's a good thing,
but you have to work through it and

01:07:49.699 --> 01:07:53.166
that's and I can remember thinking,
you know, why can't we just do this

01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:57.146
the old fashioned way? You know, why
why can't we just write these changes

01:07:57.179 --> 01:08:00.896
down? Like we're used to doing it then
once you get used to how easy it is

01:08:00.929 --> 01:08:06.997
to make the changes and how how fast
you can turn around and how the

01:08:07.030 --> 01:08:11.486
information is just up to date
immediately, you know? That's a good thing.

01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.166
And so you you you the changes are
okay, but it's hard working through

01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.656
something like that. It is, Well, I
can see where you've got a book that's

01:08:19.689 --> 01:08:25.756
uh 500 pages and you make a mistake in
the middle. Uh you put a typo or

01:08:25.789 --> 01:08:30.437
whatever and you'd have to reprint the
book and now you can do it with a

01:08:30.470 --> 01:08:33.437
keystroke,

01:08:33.470 --> 01:08:39.267
but she didn't reprint the book. You
just live with mistakes, right june

01:08:39.300 --> 01:08:45.836
june never made mistakes. No, she
didn't, she told me

01:08:45.869 --> 01:08:49.427
um Another thing that's changed, I
don't know how you weren't involved

01:08:49.460 --> 01:08:53.796
directly, I guess, but the whole way
of students being registered for

01:08:53.829 --> 01:08:59.777
classes, it has been drastic. Yeah,
like you said, I wasn't involved in

01:08:59.810 --> 01:09:04.857
that, but sure that's true and now
they have um well let's see what do

01:09:04.890 --> 01:09:09.217
they call it. It's it's a mapping
system for their degrees that's all

01:09:09.250 --> 01:09:15.597
online that they do now and and
another thing was of course changes. Um

01:09:15.630 --> 01:09:19.967
We're all done by hand on paper and
now that's all done electronically

01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:25.437
through a project called that's called
Acres. And so that's you know you

01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:28.006
you make that somebody goes in and
makes the change and then they have

01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:32.046
approval levels and people approve it
and you you've just done away with

01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:37.397
paper and it's quicker and it's quite
amazing. I hate those students

01:09:37.430 --> 01:09:44.626
because I stood in the sun out there

01:09:44.659 --> 01:09:50.876
with my little cards with the little
holes and oh gosh yeah and then if

01:09:50.909 --> 01:09:54.376
they made a change by the time you got
to the end of the line the class

01:09:54.409 --> 01:09:58.326
was full and they said well just go
back and get another one of you have

01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:03.387
to start the product. So I hate the
students if you don't mind. I don't

01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:10.017
blame you. Remember those lines
probably stood in those lines? That was my

01:10:10.050 --> 01:10:16.826
understanding at the end of it though
my counselor whose name was

01:10:16.859 --> 01:10:20.717
Catherine Gammage

01:10:20.750 --> 01:10:28.017
she said well that's part of the
learning experience here. That's what you

01:10:28.050 --> 01:10:32.397
told me. Never been saying at U. C. L.
A. Was if you don't learn anything

01:10:32.430 --> 01:10:39.307
else here you'll learn how to stand in
line. You

01:10:39.340 --> 01:10:45.477
were having to reconstruct your entire
schedule on the run, you'd have to

01:10:45.510 --> 01:10:50.746
redo it all because if that class was
full mess up your whole. Absolutely.

01:10:50.779 --> 01:10:54.286
So you had to figure it in your either
figure it in your head or you had

01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:58.916
to figure out why you ran to get on
the other line. Have plan B in mind,

01:10:58.949 --> 01:11:05.156
huh, bob. And we covered some of that
that answered with the things you

01:11:05.189 --> 01:11:09.857
wanted to talk about. Okay. Um
anything else that you can think of? We

01:11:09.890 --> 01:11:14.166
should be asking? That's that's a good
area to think about it. Very good.

01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:19.826
You've seen a huge change. It has been
monumental

01:11:19.859 --> 01:11:24.487
and it's still going, we don't know
where we're going. We don't know where

01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:29.107
it will end up? You know, a lot of
classes are now being taught online.

01:11:29.140 --> 01:11:34.987
You think maybe the campuses, we've
known it will disappear. No, we have

01:11:35.020 --> 01:11:38.126
to have our bricks and mortar.

01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:43.057
You still have to have the experience.
That's right. I think that's part

01:11:43.090 --> 01:11:48.267
of it. Standing in the lines really
was, you know, mrs Gammage was one of

01:11:48.300 --> 01:11:53.246
the greatest persons that I've that
I've ever known. She kept me in school.

01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:58.946
I didn't want to anyone, but she part
of the experience was meeting her,

01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:04.807
part of the experience was waiting in
the line. So looking back is there

01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:08.217
anything that you would have done
differently.

01:12:08.250 --> 01:12:10.916
Mm hmm.

01:12:10.949 --> 01:12:14.317
No, not a thing.

01:12:14.350 --> 01:12:17.717
Mhm. It was wonderful.

01:12:17.750 --> 01:12:24.517
And what are you going to do now?
Well, I'm going to spend some time

01:12:24.550 --> 01:12:27.996
getting my house and files and that
kind of thing organized like most

01:12:28.029 --> 01:12:33.796
people do when they retire. Uh some
traveling. Um my husband and I are do

01:12:33.829 --> 01:12:38.416
racing land speed racing. So we'll
have some time to do some more of that.

01:12:38.449 --> 01:12:43.086
And my sister just recently retired.
So she and I have some trips planned

01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:47.376
together. Those are normal kinds of
things. I think retired people do or

01:12:47.409 --> 01:12:52.527
just do whatever you want to. That's
the that's the big thing because you

01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:59.137
can, you can be like june, she's too
busy. I know you can come and be on a

01:12:59.170 --> 01:13:02.967
game board. Okay.

01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:10.546
Well he doesn't want to be secretary.
So we've got an open june resigned,

01:13:10.579 --> 01:13:17.017
resigned from the board. But when she
was our great secretary.

01:13:17.050 --> 01:13:22.836
Mm Let's see. one thing I always like
to ask people as we wrap up is an

01:13:22.869 --> 01:13:26.137
advice that you have for young people
today starting out and trying to

01:13:26.170 --> 01:13:32.116
decide what they're going to do with
their lives. Hmm. Um

01:13:32.149 --> 01:13:39.576
Well, I think as far as going to
college picking a university that um they

01:13:39.609 --> 01:13:43.156
should carefully look at the programs
and if they know what program that

01:13:43.189 --> 01:13:46.326
they're interested in. You know, take
a look at that and compare it to

01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.366
other schools. Um to make sure you
have the right program. But more

01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:55.187
importantly, I think it's the fit of
the university because You know,

01:13:55.220 --> 01:14:00.876
coming here now with 65,000 students.
it's not gonna work for everybody.

01:14:00.909 --> 01:14:05.706
They, some people might be happier at
N. A. U. Or a smaller school. So

01:14:05.739 --> 01:14:10.227
just you know, making sure the fit is
right and that you're programs are

01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:14.586
good that you're you're gonna be
aspiring for. Of course you didn't do

01:14:14.619 --> 01:14:17.656
that,

01:14:17.689 --> 01:14:22.706
but that's why I'm giving the advice.
Yeah.

01:14:22.739 --> 01:14:27.586
Anything else that you want to add?
Just two things that came to mind that

01:14:27.619 --> 01:14:32.916
I didn't mention that we're I thought
were kind of important and one of

01:14:32.949 --> 01:14:38.967
them is our MArs and space project
program that I've thought about is

01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:42.817
probably one of the most interesting
and has done a lot to elevate us

01:14:42.850 --> 01:14:48.567
nationally. And um the other is the
honors college talk about each of

01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:55.086
those, tell us what is the Martians?
Well, you know, we have the space

01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:01.826
program and I think it's ted chris not
Ted Bill Christensen who's, I know

01:15:01.859 --> 01:15:06.517
what ted Christensen Phil Christensen
who's a big part of that and you

01:15:06.550 --> 01:15:11.366
know, it must just be phenomenal to
have the work that you do

01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:16.406
the aboard those spaceships that go
out to the moon or to the to mars and

01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.996
the mars rover and have parts on it or
having played a part in building it.

01:15:21.029 --> 01:15:25.967
So I think that I remember is when we
were talking about big events that

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:30.006
, you know, got people excited. That
was another one of them at the time.

01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:35.237
So and it and it helps, you know, the
university's image nationally and

01:15:35.270 --> 01:15:39.807
also the honors college. I think that
has just, it's a national model now.

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.696
And uh what is the honors college
describe it for us? That's the, the

01:15:44.729 --> 01:15:48.246
barrett I should say. Barrett, the
honors college is what it's called now

01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:54.666
I think. And uh that's for um some
people call it elitist but it's you

01:15:54.699 --> 01:15:58.126
know, for the the top students, the
top scholars that come to the

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university and have, they have some
special programs. But um Ted Humphrey

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was who was the dean? Founding dean? I
think of the honors college was

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just instrumental in my mind and
getting that word is today because he

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would go travel to different towns and
meet individually one on one with

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the students and their parents too
promote the honors college and to get

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them to come to A. S. U. And that just
paid off in such dividends because

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we are a national model now and I
think that's a good thing. What does,

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what does the college do or how does
it work? Well, I don't know what you

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mean by that. What does it do? Is it a
physical place that the students go

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to school? Oh sure. Yeah. It's

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and they're just building um or it's
just about to be done or maybe we'll

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be done soon. The physical

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location for it now. They've been in
Hayden, I want to say Hayden hall

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over in that area which they
designated as the honors college before, but

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they're going to actually have their
own dormitories dedicated to that and

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study areas. I think this coming fall,
if I have memories of special

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courses or something different than
other students, I think they have

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harder, a little bit harder courses,
more stringent um,

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programs and courses that they take

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and some courses that are just for
honor students alone. So

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what, what does it was that's what
makes it special or what makes it the

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model well? Um, because it's, it's
quite successful and it's large and we

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have a lot of students that are coming
to it and of course the product and

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the end product of the student, they
go on to do wonderful things. And so

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I don't know that much detail about
it, I'm sorry, but I just know that it

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was one of the things that the
administration was very proud of and it has

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helped to elevate our name nationally.

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Anything else? I think that's it.
Okay. Are we done? Yeah, I think so.