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Hello. I have been observing from
afar, uh, the stream and er as I've been

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tweaking my presentation and have been
enjoying the presentations and very

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much engaged with the conversations
that are going on. And every time I

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heard a new speaker, I thought I would
have an image for that, Uh, so as

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always, talking to Matt Toro, uh, who
I appreciate and am grateful, too,

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inviting me to participate here in the
conference today. Um, I have been

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on many, many new journeys looking at
exploiting the imagery related to

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Native American communities and the
Grand Canyon and feel like there's a

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book there because there's so much to
be done and seeing I, you know,

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And so we'll we'll be looking at a few
of the more well known images and

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artists, but there's a lot more, so
this is really just skimming the

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surface

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So again, I do want to thank Matt Toro
for organizing a dynamic conference

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on the Grand Canyon and drawing us all
together to reflect on the

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hundredth anniversary of the site as a
national park and a hundred

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fiftieth anniversary of John Wesley
Powell's expedition on the Colorado

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River through the Grand Canyon. I
would also like to acknowledge that my

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fellow presenters are making
interesting and significant observation

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throughout the conference about the
Grand Canyon and consider the address

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of individuals and practice is related
to the Grand Canyon. Ask crucial

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points of intersection to the
representation of indigenous communities. It

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is good to be here with you. A CZ was
mentioned. I worked here for a few

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years, and so I'm happy to be back,
uh, before we get started. I do want

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to lay out objectives for myself with
this presentation, um, and those are

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to address the impact of historic
ideologies on contemporary societies, to

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encourage a critical consciousness
about the portrayal of indigenous

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Americans in history, media and art
and the detriment on contemporary

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societies, and to ensure the
respectful inclusion and accuracy of

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indigenous peoples and dialogues
history, art in policy making

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as we mentioned, I manage the school
transporter studies Simon Borough map

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collection between twenty fourteen and
twenty seventeen, and my rules and

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duties included collection,
management, fund development, project

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development research and curating
exhibitions. Simon Borough began

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collecting maps and books in nineteen
eighty four. He owned factories in

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the United States and Mexico, and
motivated by a desire to better

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understand the borderlands, Borough
began to collect maps and books in

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over twenty years for accumulated mohr
than three hundred maps and two

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hundred books, which were formally
donated to the School of Transporter

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Studies in August twenty twelve.
Working with the Simon Borough Collection

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was an opportunity to explore historic
photography, maps and atlases in

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relation to colonialism or the
systematic process of displacement and

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oppression of indigenous peoples of
the Americas, as well as the

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collections relationship to
contemporary transporter communities of the

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Southwestern United States. And
earlier, when I was introduced, its Latino

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or Latina Letty next communities that
I also study, not land. Uh,

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eventually my role as the sissy s
collection manager intersected with my

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work is an art historian and my study
of colonial ethnographic Print

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Culture of the Americas produced in
relation to the European and United

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States colonial projects. Most of the
maps I show from the collection

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today fall into the category of
diagrams that generalized the area of the

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Grand Canyon. However, what they do
provide is a framework of development

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, the tools of Empire Nation building
and visual text that narrates

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history. The School of Transporter map
collection highlights a different

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ways. The Western Hemisphere has been
conceptualized and transformed

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throughout history, extending from
between the sixteenth and twentieth

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century. The collection tells a story
stretching back to the period of

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Europe's first contact and culminates
with the westward expansion of the

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United States. The early maps in this
collection are from global producers

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and document and represent the
European colonial enterprise, however, the

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majority. The maps in the collection
are from nineteenth century US agents

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and focus on the developments of
United States and Mexico border region.

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And that coincides with the period
we're looking at with the beginning of

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the

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exploration of the Grand Canyon and
eventually the mapping. Although many

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of the individual maps and books are
found elsewhere within the SS

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collection, they come together as it
is distinct hole. Collectively, the

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bro collection of maps tells us about
photography, exploration, land

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claims as well as a changing social
landscape of colonial colonized lands.

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Power dynamics established through
processes and systems of colonialism

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and implications of colonial traumas
and social upheaval on contemporary

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communities and ultimately, about the
resilience of indigenous communities

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in the Americas.

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This is just a more detailed
examination of the map itself. The page I

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present here is an example of how maps
and ethnographic illustrations

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really referring more to the earlier
example within Mac, the practice and

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atlases, as well as lend itself to an
understanding of how historic images

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like this can impact on temporary
ideologies and policies. The language

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and imagery incorporated into European
print culture about the America

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such as this reveals and perpetuates
the ongoing nature of the European

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Colonial project of claiming the rich
resources of the Americas for

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Europeans, while legitimating any and
all methods to do so.

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America. America Stepped on. Al is one
of the six maps included in the

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National Illustrated Atlas of France,
which was first published in

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eighteen forty five. And many of the
maps and the Simon Borough collection

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circulated through atlases. And I
would argue that this is true for most

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historic maps of European time. From
the sixteenth seventeenth eighteenth

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century, they were circulated through
atlases. Historically, these

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publications offer information about
place is identified within the maps,

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including the area's geopolitical,
social, religious and economic

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characteristics, much like the
Internet might Today, atlases came into

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high volume production in Europe in
the sixteenth century as a direct

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result of the exploration and
colonisation of the Americas. There was a

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great curiosity about the New World
and its inhabitants that created a

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broad market for maps and atlases
focused on the Americas. And these types

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of images and publications are one of
the primary methods disseminating

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information to mainstream audiences,
who in turn used them as references

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and tools for education. So maps are
important. Right? Maps are in. These

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atlases and maps were part of this
circulation and educational process. I

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assert that this type of information
and formats for circulation in terms

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of atlases have become part of the
fund of Knowledge that we continue to

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operate from today in terms of
indigenous communities of the Americas

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Detail. So the map shows us that
today's US Southwest was once part of the

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Spanish Empire and eventually part of
Mexico, which includes the Grand

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Canyon, uh, the illustrations at a
company. This map reflect now long

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tradition of representing indigenous
America's into just Americans and

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indicate a codified visual language
entrenched in the European colonial

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project in the Americas. The colorful
scene represents romanticised images

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of Mesoamerica and its indigenous
communities throughout North and Central

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America. Elaborately, Lester of border
work show cultural, natural trade

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related items associated distinctly
with the Americas. In the background,

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a train runs through dramatic mountain
scenery, which alludes to the

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civilising agents of modernity and
technology that Europe offers the

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Americas. On the left, three men who
occupied diverse ranks of society

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stand together. At the bottom centre
of the sheet. A female figure

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reclines surrounded by food and
animals. The abundance of fruits and

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vegetables suggest the abundance of
resource is Europeans only dreamed of

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as a set sail in the sixteenth century
and had become dependent on by the

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nineteenth century. Her placement
marks her as the focal point of the

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sheet and, more importantly, a key to
reading the whole scene. The one

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shoulder togas she wears continues the
European preference for classes

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sizing indigenous people. Her exposed
breasts reveals the European

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attitude towards the Americas in the
sense of the new land for fertile,

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making them desirable, inviting and,
as a consequence, plundered without

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consent. Progress also symbolizes a
lack of modesty, which Europeans

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associate with barbarism like that of
a shirtless male counterparts. The

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alignment of the female figure with
the dog further suggests a lack of

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reason due to assumed animalistic
tendencies. Furthermore, her an activity

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as she lounges. I'm sorry not only
conveys laziness or lack of development

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, but also alludes to a sexually
charged availability. These types of

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visual depictions perpetuate invented
misunderstandings about indigenous

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Americans and recirculate xenophobic
representations of otherness through

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print material that further distorts
just figures and destroys. Although I

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do not have the luxury of unpacking
the extensive history of Colonial

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graphic illustrations here, I bring in
this example to introduce you to

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this press practice of uttering
indigenous communities through image for

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the purpose of colonialism, often
packaged as progress, modernism and

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manifest destiny.

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Again. Here is just a detail of the
map.

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I'd like to return Teo and Lopate
myself a historian and looking at this

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quote by hop bomb on Ranger. And it
guides me in my approach to image and

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in my discussions of a significance of
images, uh, and it reads history

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that becomes the fund of knowledge or
ideology of nation state. Our

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movement is not what we has is not
what has actually been preserved and

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popular memory. But what has been
selected, written, pictured popular eyes

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and institutionalised by those whose
function it is to do so. All

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historians, whatever their objectives,
are engaged in this process,

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inasmuch as they contribute
consciously or not, to the creation,

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dismantling and restructuring of
images of the past which belong to the

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public sphere of man as a political
being.

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And I bring this image to you as an
even earlier example, right from the

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sixteenth century of what I just
showed you from the nineteenth century.

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The first image. And so I go off the
off the written text here to start

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just trying to address the numerous
points that I would like to talk to

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you about before my time runs out. But
the image I so to you was produced

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three hundred years after this image.
So the point of this perpetuation of

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a codified language that is informing
how indigenous people are

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represented and the ideologies that
they communicate about them. Hopefully

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it's evident to you in the span of
three hundred years, and I would argue

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this visual language and forms the
representation of indigenous peoples

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beyond and through today. Right, so
that these ideas of, for instance, you

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can see in the middle of the two
figures, possibly you can tell there is a

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scene of some barbecuing going on, and
there happens to be a leg or two

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cooking suggesting cannibalism. And
this is not the only practice we see

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of this type of visual imagery. Here's
another sixteenth century image

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where you can see the hanging tree.
And to your right, you can see the

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table where the leg is being cut up
and somebody ni ng on an arm. Hey, so

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you know the these images I bring to
you Because they are what informs the

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representation of indigenous
communities during the colonial project of

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the US even because they fulfill the
same purpose, which is to legitimate

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right westward expansion

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on some, some essential questions that
come up for me as I was preparing

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for this talk and in terms of trying
to figure out what images to talk

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about, um, our how did the Grand
Canyon bestow a sense of national

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identity? How was the grand can? How
is the Grand Canyon been used by the

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United States to express values and
beliefs over time? How has the Grand

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Canyon contributed to US culture? And
how does the Grand Canyon evoke US

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culture? And within these questions,
I'm asking myself where indigenous

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Americans

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Ah, and I bring this map, which is
very difficult to read but important

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map it er is producing eighteen fifty
for it relates to the efforts. After

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the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which
was based on faulty maps, the

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district yell Map write us was using
the twelfth edition. Mexico was using

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the seventh edition. They're trying to
establish a new boundary between

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the United States and Mexico after the
Mexican US war and because of the

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faulty nature of the map.
Unfortunately, most of the maps in the same

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borough collection are faulty, and we
can talk more about that. But, uh,

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the point is that they had to go back
and they had to walk. What is today

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? The boundary? The US Mexico
boundary. And it took a number of years, and

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they were both U. S and Mexico
officials involved. And many times. And

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we're talking about the production of
maps, and we're talking about the

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Grand Canyon expeditions and the
Explorers. We're talking about national

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projects, We're talking about national
agents. And so therefore we're

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talking about national history. So
this matters, it matters what we're

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including, what we're not including.
It matters what we're saying what

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we're not saying on maps and atlases
with image with text. This is our

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history, and in this map in
particular, I'm trying to point pinpoint,

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there's text and I think you can see.

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Really what it says is the region's
uninhabited Faron open for development.

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Yet we know fourteen tribes have been
in constant and continuous

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existence in Arizona. Where did they
go? Or were they simply discounted,

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erased through omission? And this is a
significant This is a national

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document. This map was produced
through a national project, and so we talk

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about the revision of history. It's
not something we're doing today. It's

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something that's happened.
Historically, we've heard the phrase history is

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written by the victors, so we have to
understand the history is more

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complex than what we are taught and K
through twelve education.

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But I asked myself, How do we teach
ourselves history, especially for

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talking about Arizona history, and
that's our focus here is well on DH. I

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have spent much time investigating on
actually have a side project where I

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actually did a grant funded a
similarly I R. Grant funded project, where I

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pulled out the history of Mexican
descent communities in terms of their

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contributions to development of
Arizona, which has been written out of

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history. If you go to state Web sites
such as the one I'm bringing up to

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you here, this is how we're telling
Arizona history. This is how

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indigenous communities air represented
and or not on DH. Here you have the

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twelfth century reference to
indigenous peoples, and it isn't until we get

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down to eighteen eighty six with
Geronimo who were killing that we

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mentioned them again. And so what type
of history are we teaching our

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children? Ah, and my point is just
that it is lacking diversity and

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lacking the the indigenous communities
and their contributions,

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you can go to numerous site. The state
official site that tells the

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history of Arizona begins with
statehood begins with statehood, as if

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nothing of relevance happened before.
And I do remember hearing a few

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folks of the earlier today talk about
Yes. There were indigenous peoples

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in the canyons on, and they were also
likely mapping. And yet are we

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talking about that? How we included
that,

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uh, when we talk about the Grand
Canyon pioneers again, this is history.

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If you know, And a lot of this you
khun lot of this, I pull up straight

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from the Internet, and I used the
Internet as the contemporary archive for

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the people. This is what people do
when they want to learn about something.

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When they want to know about
something, they go to the Internet. And so

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this is the history that they're being
told in terms of the Grand Canyon.

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Uh, but we have to remember, right.
This is just a brief list of the

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communities indigenous communities
that are associated with the Grand

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Canyon on the Grand Canyon Web page
does do an effort to represent these

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groups. Uh, but again, is it
indigenous communities talking for themselves

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, or are we talking for them on? We
have to be considerate of stereotypes

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, right? When we're thinking about
history and representation There are

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stereotypes that have been
constructed, and the first images that I

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brought to you are related to the
nature of stereotypes such as the noble

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savage or the Vanishing Indian. And
the Vanishing Indian really gets

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solidified in the eighteen thirties
with the Indian Removal Act right. And

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so policy, ideology, imagery or all
leaked in the telling of history in

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the telling of the role of indigenous
peoples. Uh, and you know, I could

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go on much more depth about thie
stereotypes and how problematic they are

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and how much of them might be
inventions.

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But due to lack of time, I cannot. I
also wanted to look at what what

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happened at the time of the
establishment of the Grand Canyon, and so was

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looking at Roosevelt's statement. Who
says to the good Indians here, I

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want to say a word of welcome as if
they weren't here before

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but I appreciate that the National
Park Service is talking about the

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national parks telling the story of
the Americas, and that's what I'm here

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to also reiterate. But the point being
is that indigenous peoples have

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been left out and or when they're
included, often in very derogatory

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manners. I know someone's going to be
talking about the PAL expedition.

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None of that would have happened
without the indigenous communities

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helping and working with him. And yet
when we look at the representation

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of these great explorers such as Ives,
it's either a study of the

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indigenous communities or heroic
representation of exploration alone,

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without them right there, there,
there, there to study and observe. But

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they're never part of the historical
record that we value in terms of the

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establishment of the canyon and
exploration and the survival that all of

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that would not have happened without
indigenous presence guides,

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informants and just looking at an
image like this. When you look at Ives

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work, he does this type of specimen
representation scientific right, where

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the indigenous person is completely
devoid of a background of place, as if

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they don't really even belong to the
canyon. And yet when you see images

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of IVs or the Kohl brothers or Powell
in the canyon there on the river,

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there's landscape all around, their
very much entrenched in the space. And

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so I would ask you, What do you think
it means to remove the indigenous

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communities from that space, both
literally, metaphorically, visually.

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And I could just quickly show you a
number of representations.

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And what I will ask you is, where are
the indigenous peoples in these

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images? Right? And and I I would love
to get into more of it. We do have

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one example at the Tower house that
you probably see where you have

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indigenous people making art, so it's
not that they're not there. It's not

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that they're not producing their own
material culture. Sometimes it's in a

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type of zoo or entertainment like
style, which we could also talk about

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what that perpetuates in terms of
stereotypes and oppression. Um, but what

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I'm going to do here is just leave
you, lastly, with this image.

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Which kind of encapsulate SW what I'm
talking about. Our history typically

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described the discovery and
colonisation of the Americas through the lens

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of European and American explorers
such as Christopher Columbus and John

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Wesley Powell. And, um, it's the
experience of the indigenous people of

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the continent. Look what I have
discovered. A cartoon from two thousand

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for by Eric Garcia presents an
alternative perspective to this narrative

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In his image here, the artist flips
the role of assume relational power

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between discovers and discovered
conquerors and conquered. And I would add

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explorers. This version or counter
memory revises, reframes and refocuses

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this story by viewing the experience
of the lens of the indigenous

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communities of the Americas who are
otherwise not typically acknowledges

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active agents in history.

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Eric Garcia as I D'oh sets out to
counter false histories, extreme

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viewpoints and stereotypes by
restructuring images as visual text that

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critiques the system that generates
these positions and provides a more

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inclusive understanding of who we are.
Thank you.

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Okay. I finished early. They were
flashing five minutes twice.

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I got a couple extra minutes yet. Any
questions for Theresa?

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Test test.

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Um, you know anything about how
indigenous Peoples did what we call

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mapping.

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You give us some thoughts or
something, points of interest. I've read a

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little bit, but only just a little.
And it's definitely not with the

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Europeans did. I have really struggled
finding materials. I mean, this is

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a much bigger project. I'm really
excited about researching and really

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getting to archive and original sites,
right. Hopefully at the Grand

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Canyon, they have their own
collections and perhaps even there we'll find

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something. But what I can refer to is
mess American mapping traditions,

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which is very different, because when
we talk about Western representation

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versus indigenous, we are talking
about completely different ways of

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knowing and being and representing,
and so you will often have more

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abstract representations.

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References to places you know, through
simple elements such as, you know,

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mounds. We do have a sense of the
stories and traditions, right? Oral

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history. And I believe a lot of that
mapping right is through oral history

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, the passing down of history and
information, which is a very long

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tradition within indigenous
communities. But there's also pave paintings

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and cave drawings and things of that
nature petro cliffs. And so I think

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we can start to see a very symbolic
approach to visualization, right? How

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do we visualize our ideas? I think
it's really what we're talking about,

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and they would be doing it more
symbolically and through metaphor,

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yes.

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Not particularly now. Would you like
to share something about it?

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The Zuni mapping project he was asking
about.

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Zoonie artists have put together a
collection of paintings that are

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metaphorical representation of the
tradition. And we didn't exhibition of

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that work with Northern Arizona. Uh,
three years. I'll be good to see you.

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Yes, yes. Um, so can you hear me? OK,
as someone who has been very

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interested in pre Columbian,
especially colonial history for a while,

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obviously, there's stuff like the
black legend. And I was curious as you

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were talking about the portrayal of
amour Indians in the sixteenth and

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seventeenth century maps. Do you see
similar attitude or or a similar

00:25:08.401 --> 00:25:15.457
attempt to paint them in a corner? Do
you see that? Applied by your bio

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the Anglo Americans to the Spanish and
then eventually Hispanics as well?

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Later on, when they're becomes more
interaction with them. Thank you. Um,

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I do see right. A relationship with
contemporary practices. Ideologies on

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DH, all the way leading back to
representations in atlases and these early

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images. And so I can no in relation to
these kind of colonial power

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structure dynamics. Then we can also,
in terms of a contemporary impact,

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we can talk about the lynching of
Mexicans, right? When the U. S Mexico

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border did shift and people being
feeling threatened by loss of of Landon

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Nation that actually belong to the
people that were being lynched. So a

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misunderstanding of even place or
history even then, at the moment, right

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, even though they were there and saw
the border shift. Suddenly the idea

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of place and belonging shifted to on.
So that goes hand in hand with the

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Colonial project with mapping and
claiming way claim it. We own it. It's

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ours, right? And so we can also like
innit? Two statements were hearing

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today about immigrants being violence,
lazy, right, thes same images of

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cannibalism come up. These are not new
ideas, they're entrenched and and

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we don't even understand how deep they
run. But it's because it's been

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very much a part of our history, our
history. It's all of our history on

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DH. I feel that the more we
understand, perhaps the better we can operate

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and perhaps diversify and just create
a more holistic, diverse, realistic

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representation of what history is
inclusive of all those that participated

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and I actually bring to you The John
Wesley Map. John Wesley Powell map is

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a very significant map. It's in this
and the Simon bro map collection, um

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, and its relation to what you were
saying, right, the Zoonie mappers

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trying to today contemporary eyes and
kind of reach back and talk to

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mapping. Today there's a website
dedicated to this map by indigenous

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people who threw scholarship through
research, underlined why this is so

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problematic

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not to undermine the next talk that's
coming up with about Powell. But

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this map in particular, I think, makes
very clear. One of things I didn't

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get to say is, you know, most of the
maps that are produced around about

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the New world there. Photographers had
never seen the Americas, had never

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been to the Americas. There was a lot
of estimation, if not invention and

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what that could be also said of this
map. How in the nineteenth century

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was this individual able to do such a
study that he could lay, claim to

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understand and know all the language
groups right across the country in

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the nineteenth century? Ask yourself,
Would we accept that type of a study

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today? I don't think we would. And yet
this becomes palace and a

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significant national figure, right in
terms of ethnographic study and

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language study. He's still relevant
today. Too many students, and yet

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we're about were the foundation of
this practice is on faulty maps.

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One more. Thank you. No, we'll take
one more.

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This is a comment rather than a
question. But there are many

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Indian tribes that consider themselves
having arrived at this level on

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earth, having come from levels below
what we consider the surface. There

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are three tribes that considered the
Grand Canyon the source of their

00:29:11.413 --> 00:29:18.680
arrival the Hopi, Zoonie and the
wallop I, who currently actually lived in

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the Grand Canyon.

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And I would suggest in this much as
they consider this holy ground a

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sacred place, that we consider that
when when we determine what is enough

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of bear's ears or the size of the
Grand Canyon or other such places

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considered sacred, holy Special

00:29:51.203 --> 00:29:59.203
by other people when we determine what
we're thinking about doing to them

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this place.