So then do you arrive in there? And what was your life there? How long
did you stay? Actually interesting love. It was me and my sister who
eventually made a cartoon. Okay. Everybody else went back. Oh the
government has turned back. My mother and my older brother and my father
went back okay because things were stable. Okay. The rebel. But they did
you all get to cartoon and then they went back somewhere along the way
they left. Why did you continue? We continue because of the prospect of
getting education. Oh I have relatives and go to okay. My parents send my
sister and I first they sent my sister the year before and I've fallen
problem. Okay. And it was go there have a stability eventually
and this and and traveling like that and not having much money. And how
did they get word that things had calmed down enough that they could go
back. There's constant movement of people traveling back and forth. Okay.
That's how yeah. Yeah. It was like somebody called them on a cell phone
or
radio. There were radio. Remember it was mostly word of mouth because yeah
because we were it's called Quarter fund. So that Central Sudan we were
literally on the way in the middle of people coming from the north coming
from the south and back and forth? A lot of travel back and forth people
giving news about the situation. Yeah. And so then they return um and do
you remember that separation or do you remember them going back and and
actually my father within those 2.5 3 years my father was going back and
forth. Who he was he was going back and forth. Mhm. To South Sudan and
south. Where you guys back coming back and even going tomorrow. Okay. To
go through my relatives eventually he said it would save enough for the
rest of my family members to go. But they wanted me to go to go to. Mhm.
Yeah. Okay. So then you went there and you went with your sister or she
went ahead. I went ahead of the next year. Okay. And where did you live
when you were there? When you go to it was towards the 1990 because I
remember celebrating 2000. Okay. Right at the end of the century, century
century and you would have been held by then or something they say. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And where did you live when we lived in cartoon? Uh
It was tense. Yeah. We're relatives. Yeah. But we lived in a tent because
we couldn't afford to rent a house or something. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was
just like a slum or something at the exterior city or I don't know how to
describe it. It's a building here let's say it's a room. Uh one bedroom.
No, you didn't have you know the zinc metallic cover. Okay. That's what we
could afford. Okay. You live in there and it would always be adjacent to a
wall because in Sudan back then houses there would be a wall around each
and every house. Oh yeah. Okay. And so we would just
look for a place, ask for a neighbor first to give us you know
the permission 2 to 1 bedroom there adjacent to the wall. I see it yeah
kind of kind of squatting squatting. It wasn't always approved by the
local authorities. And so what would happen and eventually what happened
to it? One of our bedroom is he was bulldoze. Oh by the local authorities.
Really? We were in the land that didn't belong to us. It was illegal.
They were trying to discourage that. They were trying to discourage them.
But you you you lived in a space like that. And did you go to school? I
went to school. Okay. Actually I didn't go to school for the first time uh
starting when you were about eight.
And how was school conducted was conducted in english
and Arabic that's hard to miss the fish emergency then. So do you still
speak every asked me there? Oh yes. Well how long did you go to school
when I was in Khartoum. Yeah a year, a year and I only did a year. So I
went to grade one. Yeah. Okay. And then in 2000 and one. So that was in
2000. Okay. Right great. I finished great one and then when I was about to
go to great too. My family members to say usually Egypt. Oh in 2000 and
one? Your whole family, The whole family. Okay. So you went to Cairo Egypt
? And did you have family? No photos of yourself? Yeah. Yeah.
And uh so what was your like they're like your father's going from living
in South Sudan in a village where subsistence in.