took me a while. The methodology. I think around 1998. Start to pick up a
little bit that was standing over there taking pictures and what do they
do? But the actual process I heard going back nothing later. He actually
started back in 99. Yeah. They have all that human here. He was the
government. It didn't materialize until almost 67 years later. So when
they were sending people to the campus and surveys and all the miners and
you know by themselves and it started five years like today
page there is no matter that die. All right. Would have been right at the
thing. Yeah, that was johnny right. Whoever.
So what year did you 2000 and one March 20. That's when I arrived because
what changed your mind about wanting to come to America the pictures they
were sending that for the picture the north of my nephew in the biggest
party he came here. Yeah, everybody is private. I think I think
interviewing you explain this you're the biggest, he's probably one of the
book that made sure that I think it goes up to me in front of I wanted to
stick with my writers by the idea somebody we're just going to America. I
never thought it was. Mhm. Have you back
I guess the world I believe about this story. But as you are living in
this story sometimes don't get to see how. Yeah, but other people around.
Yeah. So when you came here. But if you discover your country to Arizona
or tell me tell me about your where you came. Oh was the flight took off
from there from Kakuma to narrow over 12 flights over the first time. Your
flight Brown. Yeah. For you. Very little skin. Mhm. Oh that was good. Say
that either. Right
so from Nairobi we took out and then we're landed out everybody else in
their vehicles. But I guess the way we're set up, we were waiting on the
world. So with 11 way. Yeah. You got to live. Mhm. It is beginning for the
first time you know how is it like when is this gonna cut? You don't know
you have to go like that.
Did you like it takes I just was okay but it was bothering me no speaky
with
words or anything like that. Yeah.
So that was one of your first food. Very sweet. So then from there you can
choose from them. We came to new york. Then they took us to the
immigration of the new york times. Mhm. You are entering today nasty. What
do you think in new york when you live here building I didn't get I get
that. We were at the airport we got put in the bus, we look at steady
anxiety was and the building you never impressed. And the 2000 and to the
hotel to condition 2000 the next day flight. So we came around in the so
we went to the hotel and we're almost done ourselves at night because we
didn't know how to operate the way it was cold in new york that I tell you
what this often. 28.9
it's cold inside with the heater it got so do all splashes Womack but
opened the door you know I didn't turn you shut it off. Find it finally
figured out you can put in the budget to do shut it off. How many how many
of you guys were there for? No more. Well the hour flight what about 46 4
when we came to new york then Iowa for other cities and coming your
feelings I think it would be and there were four of us. So we took off
from europe in the Denver from Denver here. Mhm. You just got picked up of
you. What gives you the little high five. Well the solution of the year
again wasn't it? What month was it? March, March
24th. Mhm. Wasn't as hard as what does that happen? It was compared to
what new york? Water. Yeah. Yeah
temperature. Whether that they now live, when did they put you in school
or did they think you're too old for school? When I came. I seem to always
I was always the youngest person. Mhm. Yeah. When we went Irc. What is
quality ingredients, classmates?
1000? The sponsoring agency. Yeah. So I took that airport to leave the
apartment then you have to leave them. Okay
leave it a couple of months later back in May they started to look for a
job thought
wanted to take the call. So you need to basically with future work. Yeah.
And I have to think about that. I'm not going to do card. I'm going like
just setting up this guy's into a world. So I wanted to work. Yeah. With
your animals points. Yeah. Mhm. Wouldn't work. And then spring of 2000
june
no school. Yeah. University. I thought yeah they make much. Okay so I
think it's college. It was good. I mean the I took the test. I thought
that was a blanket. I got pleasing some higher classes. So and I was
fortunate that we were in Arizona we didn't have high school diplomas when
he came. Other states require you to have a high school performing before
you go to a minute. But when three or they might have seen now back you
can take a take a test in the review of whatever closet of cheating. So
that's how long this school start. What was your first job here? Work at
petsmart. Go all the way out offering the machines. No. Yeah. I don't
remember with the pound jack. No
sit down. What? Lives stand up, go and dig stuff on the ground for the
club. Yeah. I would put me that needed funding. Yeah. And then you start a
pc went into junior easy a fetus guy today there was so much in my mind so
I wanted to go for anything. Oh from the start inside chemistry class
about from there. I got some elective, classic psychology sociology.
And then I changed my mind. I wanted to go for for pharmacy school. Hi. I
always have in the states for a lab program. Tv is putting it all together
like that. I changed my mind. I want to go for a job. Stupid semester to
the introductory class. I mean it's not like then transfer these the tape
together as the rest of their the old one out. Go out in the field Here
come the lab. I get this. I got a job to do. I can't get to take off
because we're going to go collect some rocks somewhere on a saturday I'm
working. I dropped it's all night. Tyler look at this. That actually not
go ahead. Pc Gamer is full of business. Yeah. Uh huh. Economic and mix up
the numbers. Initially the numbers were not be intimidating for and it
worked with my job. Okay whatever. So that's how I end up Economic nation.
Did you have then get married before? Does it have to be graduated? So I
graduated from Yes. You okay. Two big year. I just freaked out and you
work and I went back from my brother Greg
NBA. I finished. Yeah. Right. Mhm. That's something that's the way like
many mothers at that moment. Oh Oh I'm not leaving.
Came up here. She didn't live here. And diversity my man. Was it someone
setting you after just happened to be here and you happen to see them?
Just one of those where you at the right place at the white house. That's
the best way to reason. There wasn't any connection or anything like that
being at the right place. The right was it love at first sight. Was it
love at first sight? I don't know. I don't know if I can describe it.
And mom had given her yet 2011 or six years now and you have three
shoulder Children. Give us her name. Egypt. I am not with my grandfather
about that man removed from my father and newt
is my wife that Mhm Yeah. It's also tradition all the names come from the
side of the but I make sure I want to mix it up because
be a completely on the product your mother and your dad and all their son.
So I like I mhm don't have one of my sons. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. But
we're also we're going to talk about which we need to Sudan. Yes. The very
nice parts we have.
Yes. You'll be tried as you practice. I win twice. Okay so we'll talk
about that. Tell me what you you know when you went and then the very last
thing I want to ask you is just how you want to be remembered because
hopefully this tape will be a day here and your your grandchildren and
great grandchildren and great great most you know let's see this interview
? I like you say it in english, it's frustrating camera, you can see how
you want to be recovered in both. So do you are you speaking in your a
private language? Do you think your kids? I do What any dog the they have
it's just all in me speaking the big brother but all their friends at
school. So it's like I feel like you got it dominated here. Alright. You
know what my 14 year leaves that if you told me she lets me maybe you can
find I think you're a really good mom but
why didn't you keep standing you know? But I've already I'm already, my
mom is according to my grandmother for year one two I'm already third
generation. Yes, specific. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah
that's the challenge the world already into that. Yes. Yeah. Wait
spanish my grandma look spanish, that's all she spoke spanish so I always
had just broken spanish to her uh but when she died we all stopped
speaking spanish but I still know it, you know and and if I, you know once
I get into it then I can think better but I know I shall see some words
wrong but you know whoever I'm talking to, they say that's okay, that's
okay. They correct me, you know when I say some words my husband speaks it
really good. So yeah, So should we start again? Tell me when?