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 took me a while. The methodology. I think around 1998. Start to pick up a

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little bit that was standing over
there taking pictures and what do they

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do? But the actual process I heard
going back nothing later. He actually

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started back in 99. Yeah. They have
all that human here. He was the

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government. It didn't materialize
until almost 67 years later. So when

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they were sending people to the campus
and surveys and all the miners and

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you know by themselves and it started
five years like today

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page there is no matter that die. All
right. Would have been right at the

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thing. Yeah, that was johnny right.
Whoever.

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So what year did you 2000 and one
March 20. That's when I arrived because

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what changed your mind about wanting
to come to America the pictures they

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were sending that for the picture the
north of my nephew in the biggest

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party he came here. Yeah, everybody is
private. I think I think

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interviewing you explain this you're
the biggest, he's probably one of the

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book that made sure that I think it
goes up to me in front of I wanted to

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stick with my writers by the idea
somebody we're just going to America. I

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never thought it was. Mhm. Have you
back

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I guess the world I believe about this
story. But as you are living in

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this story sometimes don't get to see
how. Yeah, but other people around.

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Yeah. So when you came here. But if
you discover your country to Arizona

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or tell me tell me about your where
you came. Oh was the flight took off

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from there from Kakuma to narrow over
12 flights over the first time. Your

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flight Brown. Yeah. For you. Very
little skin. Mhm. Oh that was good. Say

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that either. Right

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so from Nairobi we took out and then
we're landed out everybody else in

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their vehicles. But I guess the way
we're set up, we were waiting on the

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world. So with 11 way. Yeah. You got
to live. Mhm. It is beginning for the

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first time you know how is it like
when is this gonna cut? You don't know

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you have to go like that.

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Did you like it takes I just was okay
but it was bothering me no speaky

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with

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words or anything like that. Yeah.

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So that was one of your first food.
Very sweet. So then from there you can

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choose from them. We came to new york.
Then they took us to the

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immigration of the new york times.
Mhm. You are entering today nasty. What

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do you think in new york when you live
here building I didn't get I get

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that. We were at the airport we got
put in the bus, we look at steady

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anxiety was and the building you never
impressed. And the 2000 and to the

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hotel to condition 2000 the next day
flight. So we came around in the so

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we went to the hotel and we're almost
done ourselves at night because we

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didn't know how to operate the way it
was cold in new york that I tell you

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what this often. 28.9

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it's cold inside with the heater it
got so do all splashes Womack but

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opened the door you know I didn't turn
you shut it off. Find it finally

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figured out you can put in the budget
to do shut it off. How many how many

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of you guys were there for? No more.
Well the hour flight what about 46 4

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when we came to new york then Iowa for
other cities and coming your

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feelings I think it would be and there
were four of us. So we took off

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from europe in the Denver from Denver
here. Mhm. You just got picked up of

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you. What gives you the little high
five. Well the solution of the year

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again wasn't it? What month was it?
March, March

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24th. Mhm. Wasn't as hard as what does
that happen? It was compared to

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what new york? Water. Yeah. Yeah

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temperature. Whether that they now
live, when did they put you in school

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or did they think you're too old for
school? When I came. I seem to always

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I was always the youngest person. Mhm.
Yeah. When we went Irc. What is

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quality ingredients, classmates?

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1000? The sponsoring agency. Yeah. So
I took that airport to leave the

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apartment then you have to leave them.
Okay

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leave it a couple of months later back
in May they started to look for a

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job thought

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wanted to take the call. So you need
to basically with future work. Yeah.

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And I have to think about that. I'm
not going to do card. I'm going like

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just setting up this guy's into a
world. So I wanted to work. Yeah. With

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your animals points. Yeah. Mhm.
Wouldn't work. And then spring of 2000

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june

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no school. Yeah. University. I thought
yeah they make much. Okay so I

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think it's college. It was good. I
mean the I took the test. I thought

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that was a blanket. I got pleasing
some higher classes. So and I was

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fortunate that we were in Arizona we
didn't have high school diplomas when

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he came. Other states require you to
have a high school performing before

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you go to a minute. But when three or
they might have seen now back you

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can take a take a test in the review
of whatever closet of cheating. So

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that's how long this school start.
What was your first job here? Work at

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petsmart. Go all the way out offering
the machines. No. Yeah. I don't

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remember with the pound jack. No

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sit down. What? Lives stand up, go and
dig stuff on the ground for the

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club. Yeah. I would put me that needed
funding. Yeah. And then you start a

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pc went into junior easy a fetus guy
today there was so much in my mind so

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I wanted to go for anything. Oh from
the start inside chemistry class

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about from there. I got some elective,
classic psychology sociology.

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And then I changed my mind. I wanted
to go for for pharmacy school. Hi. I

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always have in the states for a lab
program. Tv is putting it all together

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like that. I changed my mind. I want
to go for a job. Stupid semester to

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the introductory class. I mean it's
not like then transfer these the tape

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together as the rest of their the old
one out. Go out in the field Here

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come the lab. I get this. I got a job
to do. I can't get to take off

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because we're going to go collect some
rocks somewhere on a saturday I'm

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working. I dropped it's all night.
Tyler look at this. That actually not

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go ahead. Pc Gamer is full of
business. Yeah. Uh huh. Economic and mix up

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the numbers. Initially the numbers
were not be intimidating for and it

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worked with my job. Okay whatever. So
that's how I end up Economic nation.

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Did you have then get married before? Does it have to be graduated? So I

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graduated from Yes. You okay. Two big
year. I just freaked out and you

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work and I went back from my brother
Greg

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NBA. I finished. Yeah. Right. Mhm.
That's something that's the way like

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many mothers at that moment. Oh Oh I'm
not leaving.

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Came up here. She didn't live here.
And diversity my man. Was it someone

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setting you after just happened to be
here and you happen to see them?

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Just one of those where you at the
right place at the white house. That's

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the best way to reason. There wasn't
any connection or anything like that

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being at the right place. The right
was it love at first sight. Was it

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love at first sight? I don't know. I
don't know if I can describe it.

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And mom had given her yet 2011 or six
years now and you have three

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shoulder Children. Give us her name.
Egypt. I am not with my grandfather

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about that man removed from my father
and newt

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is my wife that Mhm Yeah. It's also
tradition all the names come from the

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side of the but I make sure I want to
mix it up because

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be a completely on the product your
mother and your dad and all their son.

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So I like I mhm don't have one of my
sons. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. But

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we're also we're going to talk about
which we need to Sudan. Yes. The very

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nice parts we have.

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Yes. You'll be tried as you practice.
I win twice. Okay so we'll talk

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about that. Tell me what you you know
when you went and then the very last

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thing I want to ask you is just how
you want to be remembered because

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hopefully this tape will be a day here
and your your grandchildren and

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great grandchildren and great great
most you know let's see this interview

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? I like you say it in english, it's
frustrating camera, you can see how

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you want to be recovered in both. So
do you are you speaking in your a

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private language? Do you think your
kids? I do What any dog the they have

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it's just all in me speaking the big
brother but all their friends at

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school. So it's like I feel like you
got it dominated here. Alright. You

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know what my 14 year leaves that if
you told me she lets me maybe you can

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find I think you're a really good mom
but

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why didn't you keep standing you know?
But I've already I'm already, my

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mom is according to my grandmother for
year one two I'm already third

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generation. Yes, specific. Yeah. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah

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that's the challenge the world already
into that. Yes. Yeah. Wait

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spanish my grandma look spanish,
that's all she spoke spanish so I always

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had just broken spanish to her uh but
when she died we all stopped

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speaking spanish but I still know it,
you know and and if I, you know once

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I get into it then I can think better
but I know I shall see some words

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wrong but you know whoever I'm talking
to, they say that's okay, that's

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okay. They correct me, you know when I
say some words my husband speaks it

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really good. So yeah, So should we
start again? Tell me when?