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 America stands for but it means it was as if I was here, it was a

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transition, it was a bit of a
transition and then I go to South africa in

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Johannesburg relatively all countries
with a lot of resources. Yeah. You

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know the diversity that I have to live
with in terms of student population

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I'm gonna get in the academy. It's a
very international, very

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international.

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You know, kind of like you heard me
especially if they can be academic

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transition when I came to see I don't
have issues using a laptop, laptop

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and have issues browsing the internet
but using academic platforms. Where

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did my assignments and racing class
all that was um

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for me it's less of a culture shock
but more of like a learning experience

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cause I'm a big fan of best practices.
The reason why I mean my best

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practices, there's one words in
certain regions of societies and how can

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it be duplicated or and others by
others and in South Sudan youngest

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country in the world, early 70 years
old,

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21st century you would think that
countries will be in here like the US

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almost two decades now have had their
talent to experiment and make

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mistakes and succeed and there's
always a book the best practices recorded

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right? Yeah that a country like South
Sudan that is trying to avoid

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failures be a successful state. You
can look at them to read those

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connections and be asking you the
country that have lived for decades and

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what have you learned, what has worked
for you but hasn't worked and can I

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take it as a representative of South
Sudan and going to a penny work for

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my country. The U. S. Is a major
example of those best practices. It's the

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most successful working democracy the
more

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you guys have your own issues managing
diversity but at least you're

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working at. Yeah. Hypothetically you
know how it could work. You're still

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having challenges, bring it all
together and it's something South Sudan

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could be discussing as well have
racial issues but we have ethnic issues

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in sub client issues. It's a country
that is ethnically diverse and we've

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had our own conflicts but now we are
one country. Do we translate those

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conflicts into

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live under the umbrella of one nation?
I guess I guess kind of what I'm

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asking is also.

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Yeah you may have had something in
your mind about what to expect when you

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arrived in the United States because
you're going to go to four years of

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college here. And is there anything
about the country that has

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disillusioned you? Which you said oh I
expected something quite different

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and then I got this. No. Yeah. Yeah.

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Or did it meet your expectations? You
know What is 100%. I think they

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shock for me was

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because when we where I come from when
people hear about America and its

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wealth its older you know the glamour
and the fan system And then I come

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here and I see that there is actually
something level of poverty in this

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rich country, you know, the most
powerful nation in the world with strong

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economy, it has its own, what the most
shocking was for me to see homeless

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people on the street. Arizona has a
lot of them. You see the street that

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kind of shocked me really just, I
think mainly because I come from what

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can you do in a society where it's all
about community and people share

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resources. Put it okay. It's
unthinkable to see someone in the street that

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didn't have a shelter, you have food
because they didn't have it because

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everybody else will come and try to
offer something to you, try to provide

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you place in their house. So that was

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homeless people are homeless people in
the United States. I can't find a

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house regardless of the fact that
there's a lot of room somewhere. Yeah.

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And besides the fact that per capita
it's one of the,

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so that was what about what about
because your country is in conflict.

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There are a lot of obviously a lot of
political turmoil. I'm not. What

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about politically that was there
something that was eye opening to you

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politically about the United States
that you didn't expect?

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I knew it was a democracy, I knew it
was working and I did watch, I think

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my first introduction us election
process was Barack Obama's First term

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2008, 4009, I was able to watch that
kind of issue. BBC's here. Mhm. It

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was that must have yeah that must have
been terribly inspiring. But now

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that you've been here through the
trump election, you know, does it change

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, change your mind about which? Yeah
it's a switch understand it has its

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own failures. But at least you know
when I compare it because I always try

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to compare everything to South Sudan.
When I compared to South Sudan, the

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U. S. Is way ahead in terms of you
could have trouble but trump is not

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freezing your assets. You know, trump
is not chasing you out of your house

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at the moment as a U. S. Citizen. Why?
Because you have a constitution

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that protects you. Mhm. And that's the
difference if trump was the

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president of South Sudan or any other
developing countries resident who

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would have created to send troops to
your house and the same troops to

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your house. You killed that at that
chase that out and change this and but

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it's not happening in the US. Yes, you
have a bad president but you have

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constitutions because whoever put
those constitutions in place, they knew

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you couldn't rely on a human, we have
a whole failures and that's exactly

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what happened. So trump is more of an
eye opening example why we need

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strong institutions

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that protect others.

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When someone like trump comes up,
let's try to change.

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Okay well thank you, congratulations
so far. And uh would you manage to do

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with the undergrad and good luck at
the Thunderbird is a very good school

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and uh I hope you can navigate at all
and kind of figure out where you

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want to land, especially, especially
in this time, as they say. All right

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, thank you so much. I appreciate you
taking the time. I'm sure julie will

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be able to get you guys copies of
this. Oh. Mhm.