America stands for but it means it was as if I was here, it was a
transition, it was a bit of a transition and then I go to South africa in
Johannesburg relatively all countries with a lot of resources. Yeah. You
know the diversity that I have to live with in terms of student population
I'm gonna get in the academy. It's a very international, very
international.
You know, kind of like you heard me especially if they can be academic
transition when I came to see I don't have issues using a laptop, laptop
and have issues browsing the internet but using academic platforms. Where
did my assignments and racing class all that was um
for me it's less of a culture shock but more of like a learning experience
cause I'm a big fan of best practices. The reason why I mean my best
practices, there's one words in certain regions of societies and how can
it be duplicated or and others by others and in South Sudan youngest
country in the world, early 70 years old,
21st century you would think that countries will be in here like the US
almost two decades now have had their talent to experiment and make
mistakes and succeed and there's always a book the best practices recorded
right? Yeah that a country like South Sudan that is trying to avoid
failures be a successful state. You can look at them to read those
connections and be asking you the country that have lived for decades and
what have you learned, what has worked for you but hasn't worked and can I
take it as a representative of South Sudan and going to a penny work for
my country. The U. S. Is a major example of those best practices. It's the
most successful working democracy the more
you guys have your own issues managing diversity but at least you're
working at. Yeah. Hypothetically you know how it could work. You're still
having challenges, bring it all together and it's something South Sudan
could be discussing as well have racial issues but we have ethnic issues
in sub client issues. It's a country that is ethnically diverse and we've
had our own conflicts but now we are one country. Do we translate those
conflicts into
live under the umbrella of one nation? I guess I guess kind of what I'm
asking is also.
Yeah you may have had something in your mind about what to expect when you
arrived in the United States because you're going to go to four years of
college here. And is there anything about the country that has
disillusioned you? Which you said oh I expected something quite different
and then I got this. No. Yeah. Yeah.
Or did it meet your expectations? You know What is 100%. I think they
shock for me was
because when we where I come from when people hear about America and its
wealth its older you know the glamour and the fan system And then I come
here and I see that there is actually something level of poverty in this
rich country, you know, the most powerful nation in the world with strong
economy, it has its own, what the most shocking was for me to see homeless
people on the street. Arizona has a lot of them. You see the street that
kind of shocked me really just, I think mainly because I come from what
can you do in a society where it's all about community and people share
resources. Put it okay. It's unthinkable to see someone in the street that
didn't have a shelter, you have food because they didn't have it because
everybody else will come and try to offer something to you, try to provide
you place in their house. So that was
homeless people are homeless people in the United States. I can't find a
house regardless of the fact that there's a lot of room somewhere. Yeah.
And besides the fact that per capita it's one of the,
so that was what about what about because your country is in conflict.
There are a lot of obviously a lot of political turmoil. I'm not. What
about politically that was there something that was eye opening to you
politically about the United States that you didn't expect?
I knew it was a democracy, I knew it was working and I did watch, I think
my first introduction us election process was Barack Obama's First term
2008, 4009, I was able to watch that kind of issue. BBC's here. Mhm. It
was that must have yeah that must have been terribly inspiring. But now
that you've been here through the trump election, you know, does it change
, change your mind about which? Yeah it's a switch understand it has its
own failures. But at least you know when I compare it because I always try
to compare everything to South Sudan. When I compared to South Sudan, the
U. S. Is way ahead in terms of you could have trouble but trump is not
freezing your assets. You know, trump is not chasing you out of your house
at the moment as a U. S. Citizen. Why? Because you have a constitution
that protects you. Mhm. And that's the difference if trump was the
president of South Sudan or any other developing countries resident who
would have created to send troops to your house and the same troops to
your house. You killed that at that chase that out and change this and but
it's not happening in the US. Yes, you have a bad president but you have
constitutions because whoever put those constitutions in place, they knew
you couldn't rely on a human, we have a whole failures and that's exactly
what happened. So trump is more of an eye opening example why we need
strong institutions
that protect others.
When someone like trump comes up, let's try to change.
Okay well thank you, congratulations so far. And uh would you manage to do
with the undergrad and good luck at the Thunderbird is a very good school
and uh I hope you can navigate at all and kind of figure out where you
want to land, especially, especially in this time, as they say. All right
, thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time. I'm sure julie will
be able to get you guys copies of this. Oh. Mhm.