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 Mhm.

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Yeah. Okay. Okay. So

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you know where I left off. Okay so
your family like you said your family

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was from the South Sudan. And um so
your father was worked at the embassy

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was an ambassador. No it was my his
sister your husband your sister's

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husband because you know at the time
you know Madonna was still one year

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before the creation of South Sudan
right before the creation of South

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Sudan. So basically husband was
working and the government are true and he

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was ambassador to England. Mhm. And
also Utopia. So they used to go back

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and forth and she was in England box
mistake. Okay so and I believe that

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you know and those people have to do I
guess in the beginning of the war

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those who left the country were
considered you know they weren't allowed

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to go back. So for for the first time
where her husband was killed

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Perfectly in 90s. Yeah I was killed by
the government I guess he was

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coming back from England. Get away
from he's coming back from England.

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Come on when you were he was So
basically she was abandoned. She was not a

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lot To enter. She was she was banned
from re entering the first time.

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She's seen Sudan was 2005.

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Yeah and this is the reason also while
she was able to move from kind of

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from from Sudan to England to eat to
Egypt because it was much required to

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come and see us visitors back. Okay so
I'll come to that now. So your

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parents uh your parents lived in
South. My mother asked my mother, your

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mother and but at that time your
father. Yeah my father was gotten bounced

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back and forth back and forth. And um
were you remember a particular tribe

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? Oh well I am dink you're thinking
okay. All right. And um how old were

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you uh in terms of your earliest
memories of life? Hey Greeny where you

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live

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and what was the name of the community
where you live? Well um in

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particular community, I hold him I
grew up in there's there's no

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particular community. It was just you
know, kind of like a kid. It was

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just maybe it's just a regular
everybody. Yeah, there's different

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community therefore you have, you know
man, everybody was kind of blending

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became a village uh because you live
in but you live in the village. I

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live in the city. I lived in the
opportunity which is like like five miles

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from the the official story present.

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You lived in dark food. No, I didn't
live in that world. People are, there

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were for all our neighbors. Uh huh
Majority people God of war. Uh huh

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Ethiopians were also there. So it was
just one of those areas where a lot

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of people from the south and but it
wasn't too far from the bathroom is a

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national capital of God. Is that where
you work? That's where we were.

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Yeah that's where well until by eight
78.

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My earliest memory was Dad when I was
five.

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I believe that me we win back to
south. Mhm. To walk And that's when my

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mother was working in the field. And
so we went over there. Uh I heard

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that there was a fight that was going
in the south. Because you have a

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question. They're going towards the
people that were the southerners who

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will resistant men are. So

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I heard you. And then so from there we
mom just got us and we got on the

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bus. You know, we came back and I
remember they go through each of us and

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they're researching No search and tell
Bernie to where your belongings.

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People getting tracked was these are
some things I still incredibly

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memorable. How old were you then? I
was shocked. 5. 5. You were living in

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cartoons? Yeah. But then you made this
trip back to South Sudan had to

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leave the area quickly. Right? We're
kind of going back obviously.

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Mm hmm. And when you were in cartoon,
what kind of like uh was were you

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living in poverty? Were middle class.
I mean what was kind of your life,

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their opportunity. Um

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looking like I was considered

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it was kind of hard to differentiate
because you know, as young you know,

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as long as you have food and your
clothes you basically that's all you

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need. So I was fortunate as from the
rest of the kids because we have are

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very supportive. She was making sure
we have clothing, sending money right

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now. So I didn't, I would feel like I
was in the middle class, but it was

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property class. Well because there's a
lot of Arabs also had a mirror

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class was just across the street.
Okay, so okay, so it's got a mixed race.

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You weren't wealthy, No and you had
enough to eat, we have enough, we

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have a real food, clothing and it
brought me this to understand a point

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where when I was a kid, you know
neighbors every night for dinner, they

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come come with our house and you know
as a kid I didn't think so. I asked

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my mom mom why is it every dinner
every time they always come over and she

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said, well you should be lucky that
you have an aunt who support his

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financial. Yeah, these kids don't have
anything. So they are more welcome

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here. They come over a little. Yeah,
because they did that I was getting

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jealous of the kid. Yeah, because it's
like we barely have enough you know

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, so that's when I actually started
learning about what was happening and

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then I carried on as I got older try
to read more history possible. Okay.

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Between this off now in that community
that you were in, you were saying

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? How about how well uh 5656. Yeah.
And and was it a was it a house was in

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an apartment? Was it was a house. A
house. It was a house. Yeah. And what

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kind of home wasn't well it was it's a
mud brick house and I believe it

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was actually it was a too big. Oh and

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and the toilet, the toilet was just a
thank you darkness like a whole you

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know really outhouse just to hold the
ground and then for this. Yeah.

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Melody. Uh huh. But they had had a
wall um you know robert Karada wo

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alright and there's okay. Okay so it's
a very simple he said blood model,

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recall your floor, dirt floor. Yes.
Floor yeah. Did you have electricity

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in your water? We did have water but
the way in the courtroom it just

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depends you know those who can afford
water there also there was a pump

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across the street from us where we
live literally a lot of a lot of people

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with donkeys coming and get water from
their uh give water cells and also

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the family's gonna get water so it was
easier access to get water from

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there because it wasn't very far, it
wasn't very far. Yeah. Did you go to

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school at that time? Yes I did I went
to school there I go and used in

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Arabic In the 1st grade and 2nd grade.
Mhm. But also at home I was

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learning because of were actually
higher

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you'd be very big as well. Eric it's
okay. You still speak everyone. Yeah

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it's not that it's it's been quite
some time But I I do? I do speak it and

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so now involve myself with like some
friends and then I can you know

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trying to learn more but I still
speaking I understand everybody and I

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speak it not as fluent I used to be.
So how many years did you go to

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school there? Yes, I went to school
there

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From five until we left Sudan which is
19. We left you that night 95. How

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old would you have been? Yeah bye Bar
97 87. So great. So it was just a

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couple of years. Yeah. So you went to
school there just for 23 years. Yeah

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, 23 years. And um I didn't really
pick up school until I went to Egypt

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with my arms come home schools so I
knew the basic Arabic and no some of

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that nature. A vcs there's a school
was kind of like a shadow school

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bunch of kids and they were really see
it was just like a brick hi the

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school would just uh one clouds would
just mm was like, it wasn't really

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quite a structure

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in terms of the school, they had a
person's true because the government

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wasn't really fighting but they
encouraged. Yes.

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What kind of uh what do you remember
about this sort of living in that

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house at that time? In terms of just
activities, you didn't have

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electricity. He said no, no
electricity. There is no electricity. We have

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those lamps which is kind of a gas.
Right? Yeah. That's what we use. What

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did you do for fun? For entertainment?
Oh we played soccer riot in the

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streets. We play soccer in the
streets. There were always because the

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house was actually uh just right on
the streets. The street, the street uh

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, leads all the way to the major
capital city. So basically if you step

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out of the gate you'll see the
hierarchy building from the city. Not too

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far. Oh yeah, but you get a lot of
soccer, we play a lot of soccer. Yeah,

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we you know playing tag play role
deals and we Using me what was the last

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1? Uh huh. Just rolling. Yeah tired.
And we also used to make a lot of the

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craft from the matter the matter. You
know the meadow we make, you know we

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probably better. We make cars out of
the boys kind of made your own toys

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out what like scrap metal, scrap
metal. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And we take the

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sandals, sandals and make that turning
into the bills. You know basically

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just really pro. Right? So thatwas