Mhm.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. So
you know where I left off. Okay so your family like you said your family
was from the South Sudan. And um so your father was worked at the embassy
was an ambassador. No it was my his sister your husband your sister's
husband because you know at the time you know Madonna was still one year
before the creation of South Sudan right before the creation of South
Sudan. So basically husband was working and the government are true and he
was ambassador to England. Mhm. And also Utopia. So they used to go back
and forth and she was in England box mistake. Okay so and I believe that
you know and those people have to do I guess in the beginning of the war
those who left the country were considered you know they weren't allowed
to go back. So for for the first time where her husband was killed
Perfectly in 90s. Yeah I was killed by the government I guess he was
coming back from England. Get away from he's coming back from England.
Come on when you were he was So basically she was abandoned. She was not a
lot To enter. She was she was banned from re entering the first time.
She's seen Sudan was 2005.
Yeah and this is the reason also while she was able to move from kind of
from from Sudan to England to eat to Egypt because it was much required to
come and see us visitors back. Okay so I'll come to that now. So your
parents uh your parents lived in South. My mother asked my mother, your
mother and but at that time your father. Yeah my father was gotten bounced
back and forth back and forth. And um were you remember a particular tribe
? Oh well I am dink you're thinking okay. All right. And um how old were
you uh in terms of your earliest memories of life? Hey Greeny where you
live
and what was the name of the community where you live? Well um in
particular community, I hold him I grew up in there's there's no
particular community. It was just you know, kind of like a kid. It was
just maybe it's just a regular everybody. Yeah, there's different
community therefore you have, you know man, everybody was kind of blending
became a village uh because you live in but you live in the village. I
live in the city. I lived in the opportunity which is like like five miles
from the the official story present.
You lived in dark food. No, I didn't live in that world. People are, there
were for all our neighbors. Uh huh Majority people God of war. Uh huh
Ethiopians were also there. So it was just one of those areas where a lot
of people from the south and but it wasn't too far from the bathroom is a
national capital of God. Is that where you work? That's where we were.
Yeah that's where well until by eight 78.
My earliest memory was Dad when I was five.
I believe that me we win back to south. Mhm. To walk And that's when my
mother was working in the field. And so we went over there. Uh I heard
that there was a fight that was going in the south. Because you have a
question. They're going towards the people that were the southerners who
will resistant men are. So
I heard you. And then so from there we mom just got us and we got on the
bus. You know, we came back and I remember they go through each of us and
they're researching No search and tell Bernie to where your belongings.
People getting tracked was these are some things I still incredibly
memorable. How old were you then? I was shocked. 5. 5. You were living in
cartoons? Yeah. But then you made this trip back to South Sudan had to
leave the area quickly. Right? We're kind of going back obviously.
Mm hmm. And when you were in cartoon, what kind of like uh was were you
living in poverty? Were middle class. I mean what was kind of your life,
their opportunity. Um
looking like I was considered
it was kind of hard to differentiate because you know, as young you know,
as long as you have food and your clothes you basically that's all you
need. So I was fortunate as from the rest of the kids because we have are
very supportive. She was making sure we have clothing, sending money right
now. So I didn't, I would feel like I was in the middle class, but it was
property class. Well because there's a lot of Arabs also had a mirror
class was just across the street. Okay, so okay, so it's got a mixed race.
You weren't wealthy, No and you had enough to eat, we have enough, we
have a real food, clothing and it brought me this to understand a point
where when I was a kid, you know neighbors every night for dinner, they
come come with our house and you know as a kid I didn't think so. I asked
my mom mom why is it every dinner every time they always come over and she
said, well you should be lucky that you have an aunt who support his
financial. Yeah, these kids don't have anything. So they are more welcome
here. They come over a little. Yeah, because they did that I was getting
jealous of the kid. Yeah, because it's like we barely have enough you know
, so that's when I actually started learning about what was happening and
then I carried on as I got older try to read more history possible. Okay.
Between this off now in that community that you were in, you were saying
? How about how well uh 5656. Yeah. And and was it a was it a house was in
an apartment? Was it was a house. A house. It was a house. Yeah. And what
kind of home wasn't well it was it's a mud brick house and I believe it
was actually it was a too big. Oh and
and the toilet, the toilet was just a thank you darkness like a whole you
know really outhouse just to hold the ground and then for this. Yeah.
Melody. Uh huh. But they had had a wall um you know robert Karada wo
alright and there's okay. Okay so it's a very simple he said blood model,
recall your floor, dirt floor. Yes. Floor yeah. Did you have electricity
in your water? We did have water but the way in the courtroom it just
depends you know those who can afford water there also there was a pump
across the street from us where we live literally a lot of a lot of people
with donkeys coming and get water from their uh give water cells and also
the family's gonna get water so it was easier access to get water from
there because it wasn't very far, it wasn't very far. Yeah. Did you go to
school at that time? Yes I did I went to school there I go and used in
Arabic In the 1st grade and 2nd grade. Mhm. But also at home I was
learning because of were actually higher
you'd be very big as well. Eric it's okay. You still speak everyone. Yeah
it's not that it's it's been quite some time But I I do? I do speak it and
so now involve myself with like some friends and then I can you know
trying to learn more but I still speaking I understand everybody and I
speak it not as fluent I used to be. So how many years did you go to
school there? Yes, I went to school there
From five until we left Sudan which is 19. We left you that night 95. How
old would you have been? Yeah bye Bar 97 87. So great. So it was just a
couple of years. Yeah. So you went to school there just for 23 years. Yeah
, 23 years. And um I didn't really pick up school until I went to Egypt
with my arms come home schools so I knew the basic Arabic and no some of
that nature. A vcs there's a school was kind of like a shadow school
bunch of kids and they were really see it was just like a brick hi the
school would just uh one clouds would just mm was like, it wasn't really
quite a structure
in terms of the school, they had a person's true because the government
wasn't really fighting but they encouraged. Yes.
What kind of uh what do you remember about this sort of living in that
house at that time? In terms of just activities, you didn't have
electricity. He said no, no electricity. There is no electricity. We have
those lamps which is kind of a gas. Right? Yeah. That's what we use. What
did you do for fun? For entertainment? Oh we played soccer riot in the
streets. We play soccer in the streets. There were always because the
house was actually uh just right on the streets. The street, the street uh
, leads all the way to the major capital city. So basically if you step
out of the gate you'll see the hierarchy building from the city. Not too
far. Oh yeah, but you get a lot of soccer, we play a lot of soccer. Yeah,
we you know playing tag play role deals and we Using me what was the last
1? Uh huh. Just rolling. Yeah tired. And we also used to make a lot of the
craft from the matter the matter. You know the meadow we make, you know we
probably better. We make cars out of the boys kind of made your own toys
out what like scrap metal, scrap metal. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And we take the
sandals, sandals and make that turning into the bills. You know basically
just really pro. Right? So thatwas