WEBVTT 00:00:03.140 --> 00:00:05.140 This is Monday morning 1965, February 22nd. 00:00:08.308 --> 00:00:11.595 We at the old Risdale mortuary where we have a number of ministers 00:00:11.628 --> 00:00:15.915 gathered, and they are deciding and we're going to discuss with them this 00:00:15.948 --> 00:00:21.596 morning the feasibility of establishing the Universal Memorial Center. We 00:00:21.629 --> 00:00:24.265 have been 00:00:24.298 --> 00:00:29.217 Entertained now by some ministers, the president of the ministerial 00:00:29.250 --> 00:00:33.746 alliance is Reverend Harrison of the CME Church. All the ministers about 00:00:33.779 --> 00:00:38.167 here now. The time is approximately 11:40. 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:43.957 We have Bishop Taylor here who is a man 19 years old, Mother Taylor, 00:00:43.990 --> 00:00:47.726 otherwise Jones. They all here to hear what we have to say. Mr. Thomson 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:52.585 Cole will be conducting the program. Then we have a welcome address, so we 00:00:52.618 --> 00:00:56.616 hope that things will go on. We should be very critical, entertain you 00:00:56.649 --> 00:01:04.560 here today, and, and I hope during the rest of. But you will pray for us. 00:01:05.849 --> 00:01:07.849 Right. 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:17.159 The presence of Bishop Taylor Reverend Russ. 00:01:18.099 --> 00:01:24.956 Well. And and we certainly hope to come along today. So we are happy to 00:01:24.989 --> 00:01:28.915 have the visitors with us. I heard on yesterday Reverend Grant, who was 00:01:28.948 --> 00:01:33.316 visiting my church, and by the way, he is the father of one of our great 00:01:33.349 --> 00:01:37.566 entertainers, Errol Grant, a great organist, and uh I know you've heard of 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:42.786 him. And uh he's a very fine speaker, his father, and we certainly are 00:01:42.819 --> 00:01:47.826 happy to have him visiting with us. 00:01:47.859 --> 00:01:50.915 At this time, I would like to ask the ladies in the rear to pass you a 00:01:50.948 --> 00:01:56.635 calendar. We have some calendars that uh we Spent 60 cents per calendar to 00:01:56.668 --> 00:02:01.426 , to uh make up these calendars. Quite expensive, but we did it for a 00:02:01.459 --> 00:02:03.766 purpose. 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:11.799 And when you get these calendars, we will outline this purpose to you. 00:02:29.889 --> 00:02:35.737 I think it was very nice of Reverend Dunbar to allow us today to entertain 00:02:35.770 --> 00:02:40.055 you instead of himself, and we certainly are happy that uh you could find 00:02:40.088 --> 00:02:44.805 it available to all of you to come. 00:02:44.838 --> 00:02:47.805 We have been quite interested in the work of the ministerial Alliance for 00:02:47.838 --> 00:02:51.967 some years and I remember on last year, or maybe just a little better than 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:57.327 a year ago, I had an opportunity to meet with you on a couple of occasions 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.927 myself and I think the work that you men are doing in our city is very 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:08.960 fine and we want to commend you for that work. 00:03:15.819 --> 00:03:19.927 That 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:27.960 Yes. 00:03:28.618 --> 00:03:34.327 OK. 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.406 Yeah 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:43.177 OK. On last year we put out In our various enterprises, 3 different 00:03:43.210 --> 00:03:47.427 calendars. We had one for the mortuary, one for the life insurance company 00:03:47.460 --> 00:03:52.427 , and this particular calendar you see here was done in a different manner 00:03:52.460 --> 00:03:57.136 and we sent these to schools and business places and also to churches. But 00:03:57.169 --> 00:04:02.106 this year, we only have this one calendar and we find that this calendar 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:07.475 has a significant role for all Negroes. Now today, many places across the 00:04:07.508 --> 00:04:12.596 nation are closed because we are celebrating uh our first president's 00:04:12.629 --> 00:04:18.656 birthday, George Washington. But many times, uh, our boys and girls in 00:04:18.689 --> 00:04:22.486 school and perhaps you have gone to school, you know that you have never 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:27.495 celebrated the birthday of a great negro. 00:04:27.528 --> 00:04:33.176 And for this reason, uh, we find it necessary. To at least give our people 00:04:33.209 --> 00:04:36.955 a chance to know something about Negro history. Now, this calendar that 00:04:36.988 --> 00:04:41.736 you are looking at here, will tell the story in part of the many great 00:04:41.769 --> 00:04:46.217 Negroes who have lived and who are still living and who have contributed 00:04:46.250 --> 00:04:51.245 greatly to our society. You just might glance through this calendar with 00:04:51.278 --> 00:04:56.286 me. In January we see here the picture of Whitney M. Young, who is 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:00.406 President Urban League director, Mr. Roy Wilkins, who is the director of 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:05.616 the NAACP. We noticed here a young man named Charles Young who rode 00:05:05.649 --> 00:05:10.447 horseback from Ohio to Washington DC to prove that he was fit enough to 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:16.416 enter the US Armed Services. He died in Liberia. 00:05:16.449 --> 00:05:20.937 We move over to February and we see great men such as Frederick Douglass, 00:05:20.970 --> 00:05:27.166 who was one of the first abolitionists, and by the way, who was a Negro. 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:31.127 We see here a picture of a young man named Reverend Lockridge, of whom 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:36.007 many of you know. Uh, this man is a very dynamic young minister in San 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.416 Diego, California at this time. We can glance through here and we see. 00:05:41.449 --> 00:05:45.916 Some of our other great men in the country, we see Hobson R Reynolds, who 00:05:45.949 --> 00:05:50.796 is Grant exalted ruler of the Elks. 00:05:50.829 --> 00:05:58.515 Moving on through here to April to Doctor Ralph Bunch, James Farmer. Many 00:05:58.548 --> 00:06:04.156 of these names you have heard of. Moving through May we see Doctor William 00:06:04.189 --> 00:06:07.476 H. Hale, who is president of Langston University, and many of you had the 00:06:07.509 --> 00:06:12.395 opportunity to meet him when he was in our city. We see Mr. Sammy Davis 00:06:12.428 --> 00:06:15.395 Junior who has contributed much to the civil rights movement through 00:06:15.428 --> 00:06:21.555 contributions and through other acts that he has been able to do. We move 00:06:21.588 --> 00:06:29.588 on and We see in June, Mrs. Marian Anderson, who has been 00:06:29.750 --> 00:06:32.937 Said to be one of the greatest voices to ever live, this lady has 00:06:32.970 --> 00:06:36.296 performed before kings and queens, and she's a member of our race, and I 00:06:36.329 --> 00:06:40.616 think these great people that we will see throughout this calendar, we can 00:06:40.649 --> 00:06:47.336 be proud of, for they are all Negro. Now, there are some whites in the 00:06:47.369 --> 00:06:51.455 calendar, however, men like John F. Kennedy, who has contributed greatly 00:06:51.488 --> 00:06:56.711 to the Negro cause, President Johnson and a few others, but Most of these 00:06:56.744 --> 00:07:01.592 people on this calendar are Negroes, and we want you to take these 00:07:01.625 --> 00:07:05.031 calendars into your homes, and we want you to have them in your churches, 00:07:05.064 --> 00:07:08.541 and we want your boys and girls, your men and women, to see the great 00:07:08.574 --> 00:07:13.637 negroes who have lived and died for this country. 00:07:13.670 --> 00:07:17.637 Now let us move up to the top of the calendar on the front and you will 00:07:17.670 --> 00:07:24.317 see a picture of the Universal Memorial Center. 00:07:24.350 --> 00:07:30.007 The Universal Memorial Center. 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:35.486 Now, this universal memorial Center will probably be the finest that this 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:40.796 state of the Southwest has ever known. The Universal Memorial Center, 00:07:40.829 --> 00:07:46.377 formerly the Ragsdale Mortuary. The most modern and complete funeral home 00:07:46.410 --> 00:07:51.116 and mortuary in Arizona. 00:07:51.149 --> 00:07:55.257 Let's look at the story in brotherhood. 00:07:55.290 --> 00:07:59.776 William Ragsdale established a home undertaking company in Muskogee, 00:07:59.809 --> 00:08:05.026 Indian Territory, now Oklahoma in 1889. 00:08:05.059 --> 00:08:11.036 His five sons, William, Hartwell, Louis, Howard, and Theodore R Ragsdale 00:08:11.069 --> 00:08:15.067 followed in their father's footsteps and were all licensed as embalmers 00:08:15.100 --> 00:08:20.825 and funeral directors. In 1917, the name was changed to the Ragsdale and 00:08:20.858 --> 00:08:26.217 Son's Funeral Home, and new motorized equipment was was put into operation. 00:08:26.250 --> 00:08:32.307 In 1948, the third generation, Hartwell W. Ragsdale, 2nd and Lincoln J R 00:08:32.340 --> 00:08:38.066 Ragsdale, opened the Ragsdale Mortuary in Phoenix, Arizona. Today in 1965 00:08:38.099 --> 00:08:43.667 , we are attempting to meet the challenge of the hour, brotherhood and 00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:49.976 integration. In line with the thinking of the NAACP, the Urban League, and 00:08:50.009 --> 00:08:54.246 the great leaders for brotherhood like Dr. Martin Luther King. We believe 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.456 that now is the time for brotherhood. All God's children working together 00:08:58.489 --> 00:09:04.226 , black men and white men serving each other and in line with the 1964 00:09:04.259 --> 00:09:09.255 Civil Rights Act on non-discrimination, we have integrated our complete 00:09:09.288 --> 00:09:14.326 operation. We now have black and white working side by side, serving 00:09:14.359 --> 00:09:19.576 Catholic and Protestant, Gentile and Jew. The Ragsdale Mortuary has 00:09:19.609 --> 00:09:24.297 integrated and presents to this community the new universal Memorial 00:09:24.330 --> 00:09:30.576 Center dedicated to the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. 00:09:30.609 --> 00:09:34.856 Freedom and equality have been a struggle for the Negro. Courageous white 00:09:34.889 --> 00:09:38.255 and black men have risked their careers and their lives to advance the 00:09:38.288 --> 00:09:43.706 cause of freedom and brotherhood. To these men and women of action, we 00:09:43.739 --> 00:09:49.645 dedicate this unusual calendar. We extend appreciation to Hartwell W. 00:09:49.678 --> 00:09:55.427 Ragsdale the 2nd of Anderson Ragsdale Mortuary in San Diego, California, 00:09:55.460 --> 00:10:00.226 who did the research and the production for this calendar. At this time, I 00:10:00.259 --> 00:10:04.976 would like to present to you Mrs. Eleanor Ragsdale, the director of the R 00:10:05.009 --> 00:10:09.775 Ragsdale Mortuary, and she will come to you and welcome you today, Mrs. 00:10:09.808 --> 00:10:15.547 Ragsdale. 00:10:15.580 --> 00:10:18.976 Very much, you know, I can't see without my glasses, and today I went and 00:10:19.009 --> 00:10:23.206 wrote one of the lids. So if I wink in this left eye, it's not because I'm 00:10:23.239 --> 00:10:29.746 fresh, it's because I'm trying to see that. 00:10:29.779 --> 00:10:34.467 Yeah. Yeah 00:10:34.500 --> 00:10:39.586 It really does warm my heart to have all of you here today. And we want to 00:10:39.619 --> 00:10:45.505 thank first your President, Reverend Harrison for accepting the invitation 00:10:45.538 --> 00:10:50.467 and we want to thank Reverend Dunbar for relinquishing his right to come 00:10:50.500 --> 00:10:56.505 over today to be with us because we need you here today for a very special 00:10:56.538 --> 00:10:58.907 reason. 00:10:58.940 --> 00:11:04.586 We want to make a small contribution to your treasury for some of the 00:11:04.619 --> 00:11:08.346 wonderful work that we know that you do in this community. We know that 00:11:08.379 --> 00:11:12.986 you get many calls from all different areas of the city when families are 00:11:13.019 --> 00:11:17.265 in need and when perhaps ministers are in need or the widows of ministers 00:11:17.298 --> 00:11:21.307 are in need and if Reverend Harrison would step to the front, I would like 00:11:21.340 --> 00:11:27.186 to present this check with our love. And may God add a blessing to what 00:11:27.219 --> 00:11:31.787 we're contributing for your treasury to carry on the good work of your 00:11:31.820 --> 00:11:39.346 organization. 00:11:39.379 --> 00:11:46.436 In the amount of $25. 00:11:46.469 --> 00:11:51.346 You know, I believe that a man or a woman. 00:11:51.379 --> 00:11:54.807 is only what he believes. 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.407 If you don't believe enough in something to stand up for it and say, yes, 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.787 I believe in this regardless of who else does. We're not really much of a 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:08.885 person. And it was because of your belief in what God said to your heart 00:12:08.918 --> 00:12:14.566 that you chose the straight and narrow road to be a minister. And I'm sure 00:12:14.599 --> 00:12:21.106 that this was not an easy decision to make. And I believe today and have 00:12:21.139 --> 00:12:25.467 all my life since I was a little girl running around a cemetery in 00:12:25.500 --> 00:12:29.746 Colindale, Pennsylvania. Maybe you don't know it, but I was born in a 00:12:29.779 --> 00:12:33.116 cemetery. 00:12:33.149 --> 00:12:37.265 It was sort of a farm life I'd say because Dad had a garden. It was during 00:12:37.298 --> 00:12:40.505 the early depression, you know, and if you didn't have a garden, you 00:12:40.538 --> 00:12:44.927 sometimes didn't have much on the table to eat. And so we had our own 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.907 little garden and we rode those old workhorses that took the lawn devices 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:53.417 out to the graves. We rode them around and had a mighty good time. And I 00:12:53.450 --> 00:12:57.346 walked through that cemetery to school in the morning, home at noon to 00:12:57.379 --> 00:13:02.385 lunch and back again and back home again in the evening. And so I passed 00:13:02.418 --> 00:13:07.816 many a tombstone and saw many a funeral procession come and go. And I 00:13:07.849 --> 00:13:12.775 learned to talk to God early in life and I didn't have a fear of the dead 00:13:12.808 --> 00:13:17.096 because I was associated too closely and I saw too much beauty in that 00:13:17.129 --> 00:13:22.297 cemetery because thank God my childhood was happy and when I think back 00:13:22.330 --> 00:13:27.576 there where my father now lays and many friends who I knew as a child, I 00:13:27.609 --> 00:13:31.856 associate death with something beautiful and even though we don't 00:13:31.889 --> 00:13:35.736 understand all that death is, certainly there should be something 00:13:35.769 --> 00:13:42.316 beautiful about it. And I believe That there is a destiny that makes us 00:13:42.349 --> 00:13:49.467 brothers. That none goes his way alone. That all that we send into the 00:13:49.500 --> 00:13:55.427 lives of others comes back into our own. 00:13:55.460 --> 00:14:01.346 And I have a special feeling. And a belief about ministers and about 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:04.407 ministers' wives. 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:12.440 I believe that you were born with something special. That God gave you a 00:14:12.678 --> 00:14:15.177 certain gift. 00:14:15.210 --> 00:14:22.696 A gift of love in your heart. A gift to feel God's message when he sent it. 00:14:22.729 --> 00:14:28.106 A feeling of urgency that each day is the day that you must work for 00:14:28.139 --> 00:14:34.557 God's good on earth. That you must help people to see the good and the bad 00:14:34.590 --> 00:14:39.157 and the evil and the beautiful in life, and that you must help them make 00:14:39.190 --> 00:14:42.885 decisions for making their life happier. 00:14:42.918 --> 00:14:49.186 And because you walk close with God and therefore talk with him, I respect 00:14:49.219 --> 00:14:56.057 you and love you. And sometimes we don't tell people about this love. It 00:14:56.090 --> 00:15:00.537 doesn't have much to do with a physical relationship as he does with an 00:15:00.570 --> 00:15:06.625 emotional feeling inside. Because a person stands for the right and a 00:15:06.658 --> 00:15:11.177 person helps to guide others for the right. 00:15:11.210 --> 00:15:17.015 And because we love you and respect you and your opinions. We asked you to 00:15:17.048 --> 00:15:22.537 come here today to think with us and to help us. Because life is surely 00:15:22.570 --> 00:15:27.456 full of decisions, and they're not always easy. There's not always a 00:15:27.489 --> 00:15:31.135 decision to make whether I should kill a man or not kill him, whether I 00:15:31.168 --> 00:15:37.649 should tell the truth or tell a lie. Whether I should steal or not steal. 00:15:37.678 --> 00:15:39.678 These decisions might sometimes be easy because they're definite here or 00:15:42.149 --> 00:15:49.145 here. But all the decisions that are not that clear. 00:15:49.178 --> 00:15:55.619 Who should I marry? Who should I take as a wife? That's not always clear. 00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:58.340 Whether I should become a minister or whether I should take that job where 00:15:59.750 --> 00:16:05.547 I can make a little more money, it's not so clear. 00:16:05.580 --> 00:16:10.025 Whether I should go out and take my bucket down in Phoenix, Arizona, where 00:16:10.058 --> 00:16:15.186 you don't have a lot of rich people, but where people need me so much, or 00:16:15.219 --> 00:16:19.496 whether I should go on to the sunny shores and some other town where 00:16:19.529 --> 00:16:24.746 people have money and give more of their financial means. 00:16:24.779 --> 00:16:28.446 That isn't always easy. 00:16:28.479 --> 00:16:31.566 And my friends, whether I should have caught that train and come to 00:16:31.599 --> 00:16:37.246 Phoenix, Arizona was not easy. Whether I should marry Lincoln Ragsdale or 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.015 that other fellow back in Pennsylvania who wanted to make me his wife, I 00:16:41.048 --> 00:16:49.048 wasn't so easy. 00:16:49.538 --> 00:16:53.996 But God didn't promise life easy. 00:16:54.029 --> 00:16:58.596 He sometimes tries you, 00:16:58.629 --> 00:17:02.557 just like in the Bible. Oh, the men who've been tried, the women who've 00:17:02.590 --> 00:17:07.516 been tried. And these times are no different than those times. People are 00:17:07.549 --> 00:17:15.117 the same, the same stuff we're made of, they were made of them. The same 00:17:15.150 --> 00:17:21.064 decisions that are hard to make are here now as then. 00:17:21.097 --> 00:17:29.097 And oh God tries us. And he has tried us, dear friends. We have prayed 00:17:30.178 --> 00:17:35.865 literally on our knees and off about this memorial center. These are 00:17:35.898 --> 00:17:41.425 changing times and they make new demands, and are we equal to the task is 00:17:41.458 --> 00:17:44.996 the question. 00:17:45.029 --> 00:17:49.897 We asked you here today to help us make that decision. Won't you think 00:17:49.930 --> 00:17:57.930 with us? Won't you pray with us? The decision isn't easy. But we love you. 00:17:58.479 --> 00:18:04.147 And we respect your opinion, and we ask you to help us to look up, not 00:18:04.180 --> 00:18:11.299 down, to look forward, not back, to look out, not in, and lend us a hand. 00:18:18.420 --> 00:18:20.420 Yeah. 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:32.660 I. Thank you, Mrs. Ragsdale. 00:18:33.410 --> 00:18:37.176 Gentlemen, ladies. 00:18:37.209 --> 00:18:41.647 We have met here today on a threshold of a new era. 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:46.486 For many years now, we have been taling. Many of us have been marching, we 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.696 have been fighting, we have been struggling, and what have we been 00:18:49.729 --> 00:18:55.476 struggling for? We have been struggling for integration. We have said that 00:18:55.509 --> 00:18:58.686 we want to integrate. 00:18:58.719 --> 00:19:04.127 Men like George Brooks have been threatened. He was preparing for a march 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.756 downtown and he got a phone call. They say, don't do it, we're gonna shoot 00:19:07.789 --> 00:19:11.766 whoever's in the front line. You see. Many of us have gotten threatened 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.446 calls. Many of you have been confronted with this situation. People have 00:19:15.479 --> 00:19:19.647 told you, well, you don't need to integrate. Uh, stay in your place or 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.127 just wait a little while, you see. Maybe your grandchildren or your great 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.887 grandchildren, they will enjoy this. And you ask them, well, what about me 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:33.746 ? So we are here today. And we're on a new threshold of a new era. We are 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:41.387 testing whether this nation or any nation. can live in segregation. 00:19:41.420 --> 00:19:47.535 But since we have asked for integration, we have something that we must do. 00:19:47.568 --> 00:19:52.335 We must be integrationists ourselves. You see, for many years we've 00:19:52.368 --> 00:19:56.137 talked about integration, but we have not been integrationists ourselves. 00:19:56.170 --> 00:19:59.656 We have talked about something that we really don't want. We have talked 00:19:59.689 --> 00:20:03.085 about something that we want the white man to give up, you see. But uh 00:20:03.118 --> 00:20:07.531 that was a survey made once and And we find that Negroes segregate as much 00:20:07.564 --> 00:20:11.342 as anyone else. 00:20:11.375 --> 00:20:15.381 So we have been marching here. Those of us who work for the Valley Life 00:20:15.414 --> 00:20:19.252 Insurance Company and the Ragsdale Mortuary have participated in many 00:20:19.285 --> 00:20:25.156 marches and many civil rights movements. We have asked ourselves. Why 00:20:25.189 --> 00:20:28.097 don't we integrate? 00:20:28.130 --> 00:20:33.656 So we began integrating. We began first by integrating our life insurance 00:20:33.689 --> 00:20:39.416 company. We hired a white lady in our office. We hired a white man to sell 00:20:39.449 --> 00:20:42.575 insurance for us. But you see, we can't go around talking about something 00:20:42.608 --> 00:20:47.331 that we don't do ourselves. See, many times we have been hypocrites. About 00:20:47.364 --> 00:20:51.331 this integration matter, you see, and we discriminate more than some of 00:20:51.364 --> 00:20:56.301 our white brethren. So we have to be careful. See, Mr. Ragsdale walking 00:20:56.334 --> 00:20:59.410 downtown telling the mayor, you, you people are segregating against our 00:20:59.443 --> 00:21:02.262 people, and he looks at him and say, well, do you have any white people 00:21:02.295 --> 00:21:07.147 working for you? That's a very real question, isn't it? It's a very real 00:21:07.180 --> 00:21:11.535 question. So we have to be careful and we have to be cognizant of the fact 00:21:11.568 --> 00:21:16.897 that if we are to integrate. We must begin at home, you see. We must 00:21:16.930 --> 00:21:21.016 integrate our minds, we must integrate our hearts, for if we don't do this 00:21:21.049 --> 00:21:25.726 , we cannot integrate any place else, for there will always be that little 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:31.117 segregation in the back of our minds and our hearts. 00:21:31.150 --> 00:21:36.035 So we are attempting Today we are attempting to do something that has 00:21:36.068 --> 00:21:41.717 never been done before in this state by Negroes. 00:21:41.750 --> 00:21:48.585 Now it is true. It is true that The whites for many years have used our 00:21:48.618 --> 00:21:54.986 money to grow rich, to grow fat, you see, and to grow powerful. And it is 00:21:55.019 --> 00:21:59.946 true that if any of you would die, a white mortuary will certainly bury 00:21:59.979 --> 00:22:06.295 you. But we are attempting to do something that's even greater. 00:22:06.328 --> 00:22:10.877 We are attempting to integrate a mortuary, something that has never been 00:22:10.910 --> 00:22:16.676 done before. For you see, when we deal with uh the last remains, uh, we 00:22:16.709 --> 00:22:21.637 get a little personal. We get a little more personal than perhaps uh even 00:22:21.670 --> 00:22:26.756 a doctor, you see, for this is the last thing that a family can do for 00:22:26.789 --> 00:22:32.416 their loved ones. So this is something that uh is more personal than 00:22:32.449 --> 00:22:37.897 perhaps anything else that we can do. But we are attempting to do this. 00:22:37.930 --> 00:22:41.996 Now we have called you here today. To ask for your prayers and your 00:22:42.029 --> 00:22:48.075 guidance, for certainly you are leaders in your community and you know. 00:22:48.108 --> 00:22:53.406 Whether or not we can do this. We have called you here today because we 00:22:53.439 --> 00:22:58.785 want your advice on this matter. Now, this universal memorial center that 00:22:58.818 --> 00:23:06.117 you have seen and you see here before me will be an integrated mortuary. 00:23:06.150 --> 00:23:10.137 And integrated. Now you, you hear what I say? I didn't say segregated. I 00:23:10.170 --> 00:23:16.097 said integrated. Now let's have some amens. See now this because we, we 00:23:16.130 --> 00:23:19.736 see we're coming home now. See, we are going to the white man saying you 00:23:19.769 --> 00:23:23.166 are not integrating, we're coming here and saying we are not integrating 00:23:23.199 --> 00:23:29.857 and the shoes on the other foot. So. We are integrated. We're integrated. 00:23:29.890 --> 00:23:35.656 Now, are you with us? Are you with us? Do you think it's a good idea? 00:23:35.689 --> 00:23:39.617 Now, do you know what you're saying? You say amen, you say it's a good 00:23:39.650 --> 00:23:42.795 idea. You know what you're talking about? 00:23:42.828 --> 00:23:47.717 I see Reverend M back there. He's looking awful hard there, huh? You for 00:23:47.750 --> 00:23:52.617 Reverend? It's a good idea? All right. 00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:57.137 But this is something, and I want to reiterate. This is something very 00:23:57.170 --> 00:24:01.256 personal. This is something that has never been attempted before. This is 00:24:01.289 --> 00:24:05.377 something that has never been done before. Now, in our community, in your 00:24:05.410 --> 00:24:10.535 churches, you see, we have to be careful that our congregations don't 00:24:10.568 --> 00:24:15.426 start criticizing integration. 00:24:15.459 --> 00:24:20.746 You see, last night I talked over to uh Reverend Miller's church, and I, I 00:24:20.779 --> 00:24:25.647 talked about people going away from God. You see, people are now 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:30.637 substituting a God-centered universe for a man-centered universe. And I 00:24:30.670 --> 00:24:35.276 said that men don't say, well, goodbye God, we're gonna leave you now. 00:24:35.309 --> 00:24:37.956 They don't, they don't say this, you see, they don't say this with their 00:24:37.989 --> 00:24:43.196 lips, but it's by their actions that they deny God, you see. So we have to 00:24:43.229 --> 00:24:48.266 be careful that by our congregation and our community's action, that they 00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:52.555 do not deny integration, you see. Now they might not say we are not for 00:24:52.588 --> 00:24:55.877 integration. They won't come out and say we are not for integration, you 00:24:55.910 --> 00:25:00.325 see. They won't say, uh, Reverend, that's a bad thing. But by their 00:25:00.358 --> 00:25:04.526 actions, their very acts, they will deny integration, something that they 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:10.506 have said they wanted for low these many years. So this is what. We have 00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:14.666 to be careful about it. We have to tell our congregations that integration 00:25:14.699 --> 00:25:19.305 is a good thing, and if, if it's to work, it must work throughout our 00:25:19.338 --> 00:25:23.347 entire lives, you see. It can't work, say on some employer's job. That's 00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:27.467 not integration, you see. That's not integration when we Negroes are able 00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:30.986 to work at a white man's company. That's not integration. It's not 00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:34.627 integration when negroes are able to eat at a white man's lunch counter. 00:25:34.660 --> 00:25:39.085 You see, this is not integration. You see, integration is much greater 00:25:39.118 --> 00:25:43.186 than the new marching that we have done, uh, integrating lunch counters 00:25:43.219 --> 00:25:48.367 and integrating different places of employment. So the word integration is 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.967 very big, and it means that we have to integrate throughout our lives, 00:25:53.000 --> 00:26:00.607 throughout the society that we live in. We have found that The economy of 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:05.397 Arizona is not the greatest economy in the world. Mrs. Ragdale mentioned 00:26:05.430 --> 00:26:09.406 that you men have come here to Arizona and you didn't come here for 00:26:09.439 --> 00:26:13.325 monetary gains, I'm sure. For if you were looking for monetary gains, you 00:26:13.358 --> 00:26:17.647 would have gone to greener pastures. For you know and I know that your 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:21.446 congregations don't pay you a lot of money. In fact, they don't give a lot 00:26:21.479 --> 00:26:26.486 of money. So you didn't come here just for monetary gains, you see, Mr. 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.617 Ringsdale could have chosen a much better place than Phoenix to open a 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:33.746 mortuary. He could have gone to Los Angeles, California, where there are 00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:39.416 nearly a million Negroes, you see, to draw from. If he had wanted to make 00:26:39.449 --> 00:26:43.097 large sums of money in the mortuary business, you see, but there was a 00:26:43.130 --> 00:26:48.565 need for it here, you see. So today there is a need. There is a need for 00:26:48.598 --> 00:26:53.426 integration throughout our lives, and we are trying to attempt. To 00:26:53.459 --> 00:26:58.266 integrate a mortuary. Something that has never been done before. And I 00:26:58.299 --> 00:27:03.706 cannot say this too many times for in your minds, in your minds, you have 00:27:03.739 --> 00:27:08.746 to get the picture, you see. If you were to talk about integration. Then 00:27:08.779 --> 00:27:15.666 we must begin, you see. We must begin. John F. Kennedy said, said, let us 00:27:15.699 --> 00:27:22.397 begin. So we must begin to integrate. And we call you here today. To 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:28.976 reveal this what we have kept the secret for some time to you first. For 00:27:29.009 --> 00:27:33.357 you are the leaders of the community. And we ask for your prayers in this 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:39.246 effort. At this time, I would like to bring to you. Present to you the man 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:47.279 who Has gotten this brainstorm, a man who has Perhaps staked his life on 00:27:47.449 --> 00:27:55.449 an idea. On an idea. A man who has risked the welfare of his family on an 00:27:56.328 --> 00:28:00.897 idea, on an, you see, when you deal with this integration thing, and the 00:28:00.930 --> 00:28:04.847 white man knows this, when you deal in this integration thing, you, you 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:09.156 risk something, you see, you risk something. Our white brothers in the 00:28:09.189 --> 00:28:13.637 South, they, they don't care about you going into that restaurants, giving 00:28:13.670 --> 00:28:17.916 them your money to eat their food. This is not what they're worried about. 00:28:17.949 --> 00:28:20.956 They're worried that the white people might not trade with them and they 00:28:20.989 --> 00:28:25.357 will lose all, you see. So in integration you risk something. Well, here's 00:28:25.390 --> 00:28:30.016 a man who is risking something. And we, we want you to understand this, 00:28:30.049 --> 00:28:33.857 for this is a great effort, this is a great attempt to do something even 00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:38.055 greater than than has been done in the past. Well, this has never been 00:28:38.088 --> 00:28:46.088 done before. So at this time, let us welcome Lincoln Ras down. 00:28:47.750 --> 00:28:50.436 Thank you, Mr. Coleman. 00:28:50.469 --> 00:28:54.736 Reverend Harrison, until you minister is here. 00:28:54.769 --> 00:28:58.085 I want to welcome you this morning and I promise you a nice lunch in just 00:28:58.118 --> 00:29:02.045 a few minutes. We're gonna go to another place. 00:29:02.078 --> 00:29:08.075 But I'm very concerned today because of several reasons. You know, we 00:29:08.108 --> 00:29:12.956 always get up hollering and I do this. If I take one step, God will take 00:29:12.989 --> 00:29:17.357 two, and I'll holler and say, if you got, if I got the faith, I know you 00:29:17.390 --> 00:29:22.857 got the power. But when it comes right down to Lincoln Risdale. 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:27.815 To say what I have a face to walk the water, the face to walk the water, I 00:29:27.848 --> 00:29:31.717 wonder sometimes if I can do it. 00:29:31.750 --> 00:29:35.206 I am asking myself and asking you this morning, and you're gonna have to 00:29:35.239 --> 00:29:40.805 decide this morning with me because I'm willing today to lose $8000 rather 00:29:40.838 --> 00:29:46.795 than to lose everything I have. I 00:29:46.828 --> 00:29:51.367 I had something been burning in my heart for a number of years and saying 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.117 that there's a destiny, that's something that we're here for. Certain I 00:29:56.150 --> 00:29:59.315 could leave Phoenix. God in heaven knows this. I told Reverend Kenrick the 00:29:59.348 --> 00:30:04.795 other day. I have an opportunity to go some other place. 00:30:04.828 --> 00:30:09.467 But am I running away from something or? I'm not called to leave. I'm 00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:13.825 called to stay here. Like Reverend Kendricks was called to finish his 00:30:13.858 --> 00:30:18.065 church before he would leave. He had an opportunity to leave several years 00:30:18.098 --> 00:30:22.305 ago, but to leave then would have let those of us in the hole or in the 00:30:22.338 --> 00:30:25.746 basement down. 00:30:25.779 --> 00:30:30.206 I'm concerned, I'm confused. Let me tell you what the problem is. Let's 00:30:30.239 --> 00:30:37.397 define this problem. We are saying here we have a Negro mortuary. 00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:44.877 We are saying now that we are a mortuary operated by colored folks. That's 00:30:44.910 --> 00:30:48.035 a difference. You see a difference in it. Most of the time when we 00:30:48.068 --> 00:30:51.637 integrate something, we say we don't go to the white man's place and we're 00:30:51.670 --> 00:30:55.276 gonna bring the white man to the black man's place. This is different than 00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:59.717 it, you see this is a whole new concept. Usually we think of ourselves as 00:30:59.750 --> 00:31:02.377 not good enough. 00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:06.825 We have been told some way we black and we ain't good as white folks and 00:31:06.858 --> 00:31:12.526 our cafe is not good as the white man's cafe. And when I take you down to 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.726 eat, I must go to a white place cause we integrated. 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.276 That's right. You see, that's what I'm thinking about. It's the question 00:31:22.309 --> 00:31:29.117 here. This is a big thing. You are in on a thing that could determine many 00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:35.387 things. Now I'm willing, if you tell me to. 00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:40.766 To lay my chest back. To be safe. 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.137 Let me explain to you what we're talking about. 00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:50.825 I have made a tended arrangement to borrow some money. 00:31:50.858 --> 00:31:54.335 And in the process of borrowing this money, there's no economic reason 00:31:54.368 --> 00:31:59.305 that we need a nice march word than this one for colored people. 00:31:59.338 --> 00:32:02.736 Yeah, yeah. 00:32:02.769 --> 00:32:06.016 There's no reason for me to go and do that billing you see on the front of 00:32:06.049 --> 00:32:10.746 the counter we gave you if it's just for us. 00:32:10.779 --> 00:32:15.575 Let me point out to you some things that happened to you. There's not one 00:32:15.608 --> 00:32:20.526 successful Negro motel or hotel in the United States today except those 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.377 that have made the big stent. 00:32:23.410 --> 00:32:27.617 Look in Phoenix, what hotel do you have in this town? The Rice Hotel 20 00:32:27.650 --> 00:32:32.097 years ago was a big place when I first came here. Jordan lived there. Duke 00:32:32.130 --> 00:32:36.565 Ellington would come to town and stay there. Isn't this true? But what has 00:32:36.598 --> 00:32:39.877 happened in 20 years? 00:32:39.910 --> 00:32:44.726 Somewhere along the line, we didn't take the big step. 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:50.887 Last week Nat King Cole died, didn't he? We buried him, white man Sam 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.926 Cooke, the great singer. He died two weeks ago. His fountain resting place 00:32:54.959 --> 00:32:57.565 was in the White House. 00:32:57.598 --> 00:33:03.835 Usually a white place integrates and then we come running to them. 00:33:03.868 --> 00:33:06.607 A more in the next 5 to 10 years will say I'm integrating and I'll put a 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.446 coloring embalmer down here and I want all you colored folks to come on 00:33:09.479 --> 00:33:13.967 down because we white folks gonna let you colored folk in. Yeah, yeah. And 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.946 I'm certain. We're gonna lose some business in Los Angeles. McKinley said 00:33:18.979 --> 00:33:21.906 , Well, you colored folk are not too bad, and I'm gonna integrate the 00:33:21.939 --> 00:33:28.206 mortuary on down, and he had last year told me he buried 350 colored folks. 00:33:28.239 --> 00:33:30.986 A white march that. 00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:35.065 More folk and I burn in 3 years. 00:33:35.098 --> 00:33:41.166 And the question comes back again, a Negro marchword, if he says I'm gonna 00:33:41.199 --> 00:33:47.867 bury white folk, what happened? It's never been tried. Now I have a, we, I 00:33:47.900 --> 00:33:53.906 am considered a colored funeral. Mary Cober County right for that I have 00:33:53.939 --> 00:34:01.315 right here. It says that I can only bear colored folk 00:34:01.348 --> 00:34:03.996 says where each lake where ransom march where are colored places, and they 00:34:04.029 --> 00:34:09.517 shall handle all colored people. 00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:13.307 They're not qualified to handle white folks. We do not know what we're 00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:17.816 doing. I have a lady here from the state of Arizona, the state hospitals 00:34:17.849 --> 00:34:22.595 on 24th and Van Dillen from the Aina State Hospital, here it is here. And 00:34:22.628 --> 00:34:28.456 we are colored folks, and we must only handle colored people 00:34:28.489 --> 00:34:33.967 and when I object to this on the 5th day of February, objected to it. All 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:42.000 white march wes right down my neck, ***, what you trying to do. 00:34:42.849 --> 00:34:45.414 adrenaline. 00:34:45.447 --> 00:34:49.305 And remember this, when you do this and you're pioneering in this new 00:34:49.338 --> 00:34:54.905 thinking. We're not talking about integration going to the white man's 00:34:54.938 --> 00:34:58.985 mortuary. We're not picking in AL more. We're not picketing Murphy Whitney. 00:34:59.018 --> 00:35:02.945 We're not picket in Mercer mortuary to go to his place, are we? We're 00:35:02.978 --> 00:35:08.425 saying to them we are opening a mortuary here for all people, 00:35:08.458 --> 00:35:11.226 and what would hurt me worse than in the world would be my ministers to 00:35:11.259 --> 00:35:18.166 stab me in the back. When I open up this thing, yeah. 00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:21.436 And this is why I'm here today with you. 00:35:21.469 --> 00:35:26.796 I'm willing to lay my neck on the coming block for you. Just say to them, 00:35:26.829 --> 00:35:30.396 it has to start somewhere. 00:35:30.429 --> 00:35:33.787 You see, it's been for years that Negroes have gone to the white churches 00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:38.557 and they get down to pray their way in. You see them all on the side, but 00:35:38.590 --> 00:35:42.396 then nobody wants to come to your church. 00:35:42.429 --> 00:35:45.836 Don't tell me. Some of you can preach better than any white man. I was in 00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:48.396 Tem the other day and he said, brother Harrison preached out there. He 00:35:48.429 --> 00:35:51.956 said, he, we sure like to have you for pastor. White men call me that. 00:35:51.989 --> 00:35:54.836 Reverend Harrison told me that. He preached up there two weeks ago, 00:35:54.869 --> 00:36:00.276 Sunday, didn't you? Right. 00:36:00.309 --> 00:36:05.807 Honey, you gotta think about these things. What to do. Because what 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.557 happens is this. 00:36:08.590 --> 00:36:12.247 Once you attack these people, see, Maryorpo County cannot legally send 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.695 this thing up. 00:36:14.728 --> 00:36:17.896 See, a white man gets killed right in front of my place here, they will 00:36:17.929 --> 00:36:22.586 let me pick him up. County says, oh no, I can't pick him up if he's killed 00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:25.327 in the family. 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.615 But if, uh, but if a white man dies, they have white mortuary of the 00:36:28.648 --> 00:36:32.736 corner is what they call them that come get the people. Why should I not? 00:36:32.769 --> 00:36:34.836 If it's fact, if it's good enough for you, it should be good enough for 00:36:34.869 --> 00:36:38.506 people. That's right, 00:36:38.539 --> 00:36:43.885 right. I have And it's long we, we, we talked about this ain't gonna be 00:36:43.918 --> 00:36:45.977 good. 00:36:46.010 --> 00:36:52.865 We did what we call a feasibility study. The brow the bank you understand 00:36:52.898 --> 00:36:59.126 I wouldn't be part of like that. Oh, so it can't be a success, so nobody 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:03.057 wants to use a code involved. 00:37:03.090 --> 00:37:07.256 Man may be right. I don't know if he's wrong. You see, because I believe 00:37:07.289 --> 00:37:10.175 in the fatherhood, God, the brotherhood of man does not mean that I'm 00:37:10.208 --> 00:37:15.856 gonna be successful. And the right go in in the end will bring in. I could 00:37:15.889 --> 00:37:23.478 be dead and buried. Yeah. See, I don't want you to ride run me out of town. 00:37:23.530 --> 00:37:25.530 I know a white man gonna fight. I know if a white march around town gonna 00:37:26.449 --> 00:37:28.967 be on my neck. 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:33.695 I know this, but I want you not to fight me. I didn't say support me, get 00:37:33.728 --> 00:37:41.728 out and do nothing for me. Don't fight me. It 00:37:43.668 --> 00:37:48.316 And have give me the strength that I can carry on and all I ask of you. 00:37:48.349 --> 00:37:51.486 These are good times. These are things that I know that you don't 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:56.807 understand because I don't understand. And who do I go to for advice? I 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.365 call my father and mother. I said, Daddy, she said, ***, I don't 00:37:59.398 --> 00:38:04.717 understand what you're doing. Like a lot man. 00:38:04.750 --> 00:38:08.586 My brother said in California said Lincoln don't do it. It's dangerous 00:38:08.619 --> 00:38:12.336 cause the Negroes will kill you first. You got a white man down there with 00:38:12.369 --> 00:38:15.845 you. I get out of town, you got a white man down there, honey. I ain't 00:38:15.878 --> 00:38:19.666 gonna use him. OK 00:38:19.699 --> 00:38:22.247 This is murder. 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:27.767 I need to support this morning. If you don't want it, tell me. If you say 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.385 that I'm doing the wrong thing, you see, the whole question of this, I 00:38:31.418 --> 00:38:35.376 know it's gonna. 00:38:35.409 --> 00:38:38.405 I know it has to come. Maybe not in my days. The timing is the only 00:38:38.438 --> 00:38:44.885 question I have in my mind today. Is my timing good? They told me that I 00:38:44.918 --> 00:38:47.445 could be successful if I moved away from the colored folks and moved 00:38:47.478 --> 00:38:49.767 across the other side of town, maybe and it's gonna have to do with the 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.767 colored people, but I'm running away from my people, I'm trying to hide. 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:59.006 I'm black. My brother, my, my, my dad is a colored man 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.967 trying to hide from the fact that I'm a Negro. I believe that there are 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.506 all white folks are not bad, you. There's some good white folks holding 00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:10.827 the door and say, now here we have integrated. Will you come and use us if 00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.416 we are here. 00:39:13.449 --> 00:39:17.936 We plan to build, we have to get something new. 00:39:17.969 --> 00:39:21.017 This new march of where it will be a new chapel. We're gonna close that 00:39:21.050 --> 00:39:25.577 door off completely. Do all this over, put doors here, put two locks next 00:39:25.610 --> 00:39:30.865 door and park. Completely tear down the whole back section here and do 00:39:30.898 --> 00:39:38.898 this mortuary as my. And it's fine 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.425 as a. 00:39:45.458 --> 00:39:49.287 There's no way in the world can you pay for it. 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.506 Very difficult but you don't have. You see, I know that I'm only gonna 00:39:52.539 --> 00:39:55.967 bury just about half of the couple of people here. Some folks wouldn't use 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:00.425 it. I ain't gonna look too. 00:40:00.458 --> 00:40:04.186 My hair ain't not right. A wife is not the kind of woman they like. I'm 00:40:04.219 --> 00:40:08.925 gonna use somebody else. I don't like that. That *** ain't no good nohow. 00:40:08.958 --> 00:40:13.546 There's no way in the world to satisfy everybody. If I give a man $5 for 00:40:13.579 --> 00:40:18.106 Christmas he they should give me $15. 00:40:18.139 --> 00:40:24.807 Everybody can be with me. I know this. 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:26.986 No. 00:40:27.019 --> 00:40:31.327 We're trying to build something here that move by, you can come in and 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:36.727 show them. Now this is a mortuary here in Phoenix that that we have among 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:42.186 our people that we offer to all the people you can get towel. Catholics 00:40:42.219 --> 00:40:46.706 and Protestants, white and black, completely integrated. See, I don't want 00:40:46.739 --> 00:40:50.026 to have a white man to come to a funeral with me in your church and you 00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:55.256 and you refuse to preach a funeral. what I'm talking about today. I 00:40:55.289 --> 00:40:59.615 integrate, I got to have a white man on staff with me. I can't go out no 00:40:59.648 --> 00:41:02.256 tune out of your church and a white man coming in there with me, the folks 00:41:02.289 --> 00:41:07.168 , he says, honey, we ain't gonna have no fun. I got white people come down. 00:41:07.409 --> 00:41:09.409 You follow me? That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, I know 00:41:11.628 --> 00:41:14.436 I'm gonna go to some places and some white churches and they gonna say, 00:41:14.469 --> 00:41:19.626 well, I'm not gonna let you as a fan. I don't want him in here. I know 00:41:19.659 --> 00:41:24.405 that I'm gonna have bodies in this mortuary gonna come move out. 00:41:24.438 --> 00:41:28.247 I know that if I get to count him up mistakes that we have a body and some 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.385 white folks were gonna call her on the phone and say you know that 00:41:30.418 --> 00:41:35.767 universal center is a *** place. The mother down there with those *** that 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:41.517 like me and you see they call us that, right? That's an inflammatory word 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:47.227 , see to make hate grow. I know they gonna do this. Now I don't. Are you 00:41:47.260 --> 00:41:50.376 with me? 00:41:50.409 --> 00:41:55.526 The bank wants to know what your people want to do. 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.686 Isn't what they did. 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:04.635 And he just put the stick on. There's a bad mouth phone. 00:42:04.668 --> 00:42:07.925 Yeah, it's a bad mouth. I told you you shouldn't be doing that in the 00:42:07.958 --> 00:42:10.537 first place. 00:42:10.570 --> 00:42:18.570 Cause you know we ain't ready yet. Now we ain't gonna say that 00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:21.267 the white man gonna say words where I am. 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:25.095 The title. I had one thing. 00:42:25.128 --> 00:42:29.057 The food this long period, and it means that we're gonna have to borrow 00:42:29.090 --> 00:42:34.296 $100,000 to do it. And as I said before, there's no reason to do it for 00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:38.195 colored folks. Because statistics prove that colored folks don't want 00:42:38.228 --> 00:42:41.787 things too. 00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:46.155 Hey And the white man told me that at the bank. The first time the bank 00:42:46.188 --> 00:42:49.356 told me that negroes don't want things too nice. They *** too nice, you're 00:42:49.389 --> 00:42:52.776 gonna lose all of your business. 00:42:52.809 --> 00:42:57.405 Well they gonna say it costs too much, you know how we talk. 00:42:57.438 --> 00:43:00.787 They said that Kim's church is too nice. I ain't going that cause you got 00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:04.557 to pay those bills and to give them all my money to him. You know what I'm 00:43:04.590 --> 00:43:08.486 talking about. 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:14.365 This is the question. I do not know the answer, 00:43:14.398 --> 00:43:19.175 but I need you today to help me to do this. I need you to help me with 00:43:19.208 --> 00:43:22.836 this. Now we're building this mortuary a new idea. We have a what we call 00:43:22.869 --> 00:43:27.146 the universal. I'm changing the name. I change the name? Let's be honest 00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:29.365 with you. 00:43:29.398 --> 00:43:33.646 But they right, Yao Ming called that. 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.956 I didn't have books too much. 00:43:36.989 --> 00:43:42.807 That's right, I might say. I would never rus too much. It ain't CC thing. 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.166 Even some of my old people say, Well, I don't know what your vote is. 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:52.077 What y'all doing, you know, Bro, you an old. 00:43:52.110 --> 00:43:55.017 What y'all doing now? What y'all doing? What's your motive? What the the 00:43:55.050 --> 00:43:57.997 the tactics are, you're good people, but you're doing wrong, you shouldn't 00:43:58.030 --> 00:44:04.405 march on those white folks. No, now I. 00:44:04.438 --> 00:44:11.695 I said now he said is that all with you. Right, don't be black. 00:44:11.728 --> 00:44:16.546 He's the name of the universal Memorial, so it doesn't, uh, you have to 00:44:16.579 --> 00:44:20.557 explain a lot of things 00:44:20.590 --> 00:44:25.956 you have. Name of Gutenberg, he might change his name to Harris. 00:44:25.989 --> 00:44:30.925 Harrison, it's a he's the American team. Why bring more hate on you? You 00:44:30.958 --> 00:44:37.155 follow it, so I'm changing the name to universal Memorial Center. You know 00:44:37.188 --> 00:44:41.195 what it is. I got farming ragdolls on here, but next year it won't have no 00:44:41.228 --> 00:44:44.666 ragdot in no way 00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:51.135 cause your own people present you sometimes and your names are too big. 00:44:51.168 --> 00:44:57.175 They don't want your me ain't big on there. I don't like that right I. 00:44:57.208 --> 00:45:00.236 But I can get your name, you don't get the hate from them this is the 00:45:00.269 --> 00:45:04.336 universe. 00:45:04.369 --> 00:45:07.037 Now we're building in this new watching where we turn on the garage and 00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:10.497 back, these next two lots over next door. If you say so, we're gonna do 00:45:10.530 --> 00:45:15.356 this next week. I'm ready to go, but I can turn back. That's how the 00:45:15.389 --> 00:45:20.497 foundation, and I'm gonna turn back if you want another experience. I'd 00:45:20.530 --> 00:45:23.405 rather lose $8000 and go on and do something else and lose everything I 00:45:23.438 --> 00:45:29.727 owe because I'm paying my house, my wife, my 4 children, $100,000 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.227 behind it. 00:45:32.260 --> 00:45:36.425 On the back of it, we're building what we call the Universal Memorial 00:45:36.458 --> 00:45:41.695 Center, but have 3 apartments. Motel parts that are free. When people come 00:45:41.728 --> 00:45:47.186 here at your funeral, they can say they are free of charge. 00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:52.227 we have in the rooms where the bodies will be laid off. 00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:55.876 Where the garden outside where the glass, whole walls in glass and you can 00:45:55.909 --> 00:46:00.865 look in there and you have a garden of Gethsemane. We get some plants from 00:46:00.898 --> 00:46:05.506 Africa brought in here. See, I'm proud of my black folks. I'm not ashamed 00:46:05.539 --> 00:46:11.546 of my. Yeah. I run from it. I believe if I'm good enough for you, I'm good 00:46:11.579 --> 00:46:14.925 enough for those white folks. 00:46:14.958 --> 00:46:17.956 That's what I need. 00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:21.356 It's gonna be, we're gonna integrate this thing in reverse. And the white 00:46:21.389 --> 00:46:24.666 folks come to the black folk. 00:46:24.699 --> 00:46:27.006 Let's come to us black folks a little bit here. Let's keep this thing in 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.876 reverse. You talking about integration is us going and in run out of 00:46:31.909 --> 00:46:37.276 Western hole and give all our money down here. I bring it down here. 00:46:37.309 --> 00:46:40.675 yeah, yes. 00:46:40.708 --> 00:46:43.356 If you have any questions I can answer the question, but I'm trying to 00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:47.106 properly. Please ask me. 00:46:47.139 --> 00:46:50.816 Coleman time. Would you come forward, please, and I, I, I'm, I'm going to 00:46:50.849 --> 00:46:57.736 the bank. And my last question, And the man had a legitimate question. 00:46:57.769 --> 00:47:01.155 The banker wants to know 00:47:01.188 --> 00:47:08.175 Do we, you leaders approve of this in principle? 00:47:08.208 --> 00:47:11.936 You see, a lot of people are hollering the fatherhood of God and 00:47:11.969 --> 00:47:17.416 brotherhood of man, but it doesn't mean me. 00:47:17.449 --> 00:47:20.546 We believe that we should integrate, but it doesn't mean I should 00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:23.807 integrate. 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.526 They don't really mean all of these things that you and I have talked 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.566 about so long. 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:36.816 And actually, the names are va look at us. Listen, what we're doing, are 00:47:36.849 --> 00:47:42.095 we completely segregated ourselves? No. Don't we keep ourselves and say 00:47:42.128 --> 00:47:50.128 this is ours. You use this turn. It is I mean nobody but you. 00:47:50.449 --> 00:47:53.267 Do you really want, do you believe in this in principle? I don't say do 00:47:53.300 --> 00:47:57.166 you believe in me necessarily, but do you believe in the principle that 00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.977 you're talking about. 00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:03.206 If so, I'd like to ask your preparation, and I have all this information 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:08.227 and. And whatever you decide, and I'd like to have some comments from some 00:48:08.260 --> 00:48:13.206 of you and. And help me to make this decision, please if I can answer any 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:19.467 questions, I'd be happy to. Yes this going to be a company. Uh, you just 00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:25.095 one hour. Just want us to say whether we are with you or with it or not or 00:48:25.128 --> 00:48:28.336 it's gonna be a stock company you're gonna be selling stock in. Thank you 00:48:28.369 --> 00:48:33.686 very much, Reverend. You asked a good question. It is a stock 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.416 I'm not asking you to buy anything. 00:48:37.449 --> 00:48:43.750 You see, the reason that we decide not to make it public stock is to read. 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.840 Because the first thing that people will say they, they're trying to make 00:48:46.349 --> 00:48:50.206 someone, you see, we don't understand stop. 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.736 Be honest, and we don't understand. Stop being cows and horses for both of 00:48:54.769 --> 00:48:58.166 us. 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.017 And you say you're selling some stock, to most of us, most negroes, only 00:49:02.050 --> 00:49:07.655 stock that we ever know about is a stock that's full of trickery and jell 00:49:07.688 --> 00:49:10.497 because the wife ain't got good stock and the down at the bank never come 00:49:10.530 --> 00:49:14.345 to your house. If that guy selling some stock and some little corporation 00:49:14.378 --> 00:49:19.566 that goes away and going bankrupt, he comes under you. So we have decided 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.767 to stay away from the stock issue. Unless the Negro walks in and comes in 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.280 and asks for us, then we'll do it. We're not trying to sell no stock. 00:49:28.438 --> 00:49:30.438 They've got the financing lined up. We don't want you to sign up to buy 00:49:32.668 --> 00:49:35.416 nothing. 00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:38.175 Because it was fighting away, you see, if I said this, you gotta cook this 00:49:38.208 --> 00:49:42.135 , you say, I knew there was a trick 00:49:42.168 --> 00:49:45.615 in get some of your money. I know what they want. So we're trying to make 00:49:45.648 --> 00:49:51.577 it as simple as possible. All we want from you is two things is your 00:49:51.610 --> 00:49:56.977 prayers. I mean some prayers. First, let's go to Jesus with this thing. I 00:49:57.010 --> 00:50:02.497 paying on it. Your prayers that we are doing the right thing at the right 00:50:02.530 --> 00:50:04.736 time. 00:50:04.769 --> 00:50:10.666 You see, the right thing done. At the wrong time is wrong. 00:50:10.699 --> 00:50:15.195 I want to be sure we're doing the right thing at the right time. Need your 00:50:15.228 --> 00:50:20.675 prayers, get you. That's all you want. We don't want just to the point. 00:50:20.708 --> 00:50:28.327 Keep in mind. You want some of this? Fine, well, we have for this. I ask 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:33.135 you to buy. Because all it would do is hurt us we think. Thank you. May I 00:50:33.168 --> 00:50:39.037 ask you a question, sir? If anybody wants to answer questions, Mr. Brad 00:50:39.070 --> 00:50:45.296 I'd like to ask you two questions. Number one, is there any legal basis by 00:50:45.329 --> 00:50:51.646 which the state of Arizona or Maricopa County could prevent you Combining 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:59.679 of the body. uh You know to talk about. They cannot do it. Uh, we involved. 00:50:59.898 --> 00:51:04.905 We bury *** 10 or 15 whites are here here. Maybe 10 white is white. I 00:51:04.938 --> 00:51:09.175 mean *** was white. These are Mexicans and Indians, other people, but by 00:51:09.208 --> 00:51:14.066 custom. And I have condoned this, and I just fought as much as anybody 00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:19.095 else. Mr. Webber and I said for condone. We, we tell the white people, we 00:51:19.128 --> 00:51:24.195 cut, we cut the face. We say so I'm looking now we color. We don't want 00:51:24.228 --> 00:51:29.126 you white folks to have us colored by this. He's Mr. Webb. 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.155 We, we been doing what we call a handkerchief head negro. I ain't have one 00:51:32.188 --> 00:51:34.967 We been woman. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.307 But we cut it now and y'all send us all cut folks. Y'all have the white 00:51:38.340 --> 00:51:44.836 folks. 00:51:44.869 --> 00:51:48.217 I 00:51:48.250 --> 00:51:51.626 don't. I go down there for right then I once with the he's white and I 00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:57.916 call. I said I made a mistake. 00:51:57.949 --> 00:52:00.206 the 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.787 And if I get a person down the boy, he'll boy Carl says, look, right, we 00:52:03.820 --> 00:52:06.986 got a bar down here. We thought he was white, light skinned, but he's 00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:09.816 gonna come get this negro. 00:52:09.849 --> 00:52:12.675 I said, Yes, Mr. Moore, and I'm down there because it make some money to 00:52:12.708 --> 00:52:15.486 me. 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.046 It will make you a. 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.066 Yeah 00:52:22.099 --> 00:52:26.166 And said come to home. I said, here I am. 00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.986 Because 00:52:29.019 --> 00:52:33.026 This is what I've done and I it's legally. I'm asking a question legally 00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:36.066 they can't do it, but I have allowed it to happen. I've been a 00:52:36.099 --> 00:52:44.099 handkerchief. Here's Uncle Tom. Here's Uncle Tom here. 00:52:45.269 --> 00:52:45.807 I'm Uncle Tom. Yes, right, man. I, I won't cut up for you, and I've done 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.537 it all my life. And it's time for me to do something now. If you want me 00:52:50.570 --> 00:52:53.967 to, maybe I should be an Uncle Tom. Maybe you want me to be this. If you 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.166 want me to be colored, I'm willing to be colored. I'm willing to tell the 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:02.017 world that I am. I'm wrong, 00:53:02.050 --> 00:53:03.807 that we put up both want this and I'm gonna do it. I'll do what you say do 00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.519 this morning because we're gonna ask you to tell me what you want from me. 00:53:09.878 --> 00:53:11.878 I'm pretty sure you have, but um, have you, I'd like to ask you, have you 00:53:13.789 --> 00:53:19.155 , do you know by uh survey or do you have a reasonable, uh, uh, in a 00:53:19.188 --> 00:53:22.956 reasonable indication that you constructed this uh structure you're 00:53:22.989 --> 00:53:30.546 talking about that uh your patronage among. keep people with that. Yeah, 00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:36.079 good reason to believe that. Let me answer that. That's a trick question. 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.079 And They have approximately 1200 people who die each year who are corners. 00:53:48.489 --> 00:53:50.489 If I become and it's really want. 00:53:52.369 --> 00:54:00.369 And and so the count. I will automatically get. 100 of those people. 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.166 Because then I'm getting old people. I, I would automatically get 25 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.026 people a year, you're about a year from the state hospital for. I don't 00:54:12.059 --> 00:54:15.146 know they could talk about it. Where are they gonna be you tell me about 00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:17.615 this? 00:54:17.648 --> 00:54:22.586 And You know a retreat and will go far. 00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:27.095 I have reason to believe that out of the 6000 people who died in this area 00:54:27.128 --> 00:54:35.128 , that approximately 5% of them white people who don't care who buries it. 00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:37.537 As long as you give them a good price and give them good service, they 00:54:37.570 --> 00:54:40.615 don't care what color you are. 00:54:40.648 --> 00:54:44.896 I have reason to believe that 5% now, 5% of 6000 would be 300, wouldn't it 00:54:44.929 --> 00:54:47.057 ? 00:54:47.090 --> 00:54:52.106 That's more people than all people now in the whole state than he is. So 00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:57.635 out of the 5%, if I wanna get a half of those. 00:54:57.668 --> 00:55:00.836 I can make it 00:55:00.869 --> 00:55:05.425 and the first year I made started out. My wife and I are prepared. Listen 00:55:05.458 --> 00:55:10.296 to me, gentlemen, prepared to lose our home. I'm prepared to move down to 00:55:10.329 --> 00:55:15.356 the places. I'm emotionally prepared for this. 00:55:15.389 --> 00:55:19.256 I'm prepared to give away everything I own and just hold on to this for 00:55:19.289 --> 00:55:23.816 two years. Why? I'm trying to prove something. 00:55:23.849 --> 00:55:27.445 Sometimes a man goes along with that do something doesn't it. They're not 00:55:27.478 --> 00:55:32.467 going too far, I don't know. But I might not have to go this far. If I 00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:37.586 could continue to maintain the same negro benefit that we have. I can make 00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:43.179 it a year before they can foreclose them. Take 6 months to foreclose them. 00:55:45.019 --> 00:55:47.019 Then in the meantime, the county that should come to a head. the thing 00:55:49.010 --> 00:55:52.227 should come to a head. I don't know why I stand there, but they gonna try 00:55:52.260 --> 00:56:00.260 to freeze. Right. I hope I've answered the question 00:56:01.188 --> 00:56:09.188 Mr. Reginal, I ask you this, I think I have the understand. 00:56:09.628 --> 00:56:13.856 Yes, fine. 00:56:13.889 --> 00:56:16.675 Um, 00:56:16.708 --> 00:56:21.577 it is a prere went. Of the state what their laws of the state of Arizona 00:56:21.610 --> 00:56:27.227 law and they tell a reply and also in Arizona. 00:56:27.260 --> 00:56:32.546 OK And you know, in order to secure. 00:56:32.579 --> 00:56:37.796 A contract from a veteran administration hospital. 00:56:37.829 --> 00:56:40.756 But this 00:56:40.789 --> 00:56:43.166 also prevent you bring this. 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:49.595 Thank you. The Veterans Hospital realizes this. went to them over a year 00:56:49.628 --> 00:56:54.546 ago and talked to them about it and they canceled all that contract. So 00:56:54.579 --> 00:56:57.467 what they do now if you die at the veterans Hospital, they say to the 00:56:57.500 --> 00:57:02.666 people, here are the colored marks where the whites. 00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:06.736 I feel the right hand doesn't. 00:57:06.769 --> 00:57:12.727 Because they took away the contract. Now I don't qualify for any the uh 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.316 contract at the Waste. 00:57:15.349 --> 00:57:20.646 Let me tell you why I don't talk back. I'm not good enough. 00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.925 I mean, I mean, I'm not really I'm not at this stage. I got to do this 00:57:23.958 --> 00:57:27.967 before I qualify. See they don't give it to the lowest then, the lowest 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.845 price, but you got to have some off. 00:57:31.878 --> 00:57:36.206 I can bare man from the government say I can my lowest price would be $100 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.456 but I ain't got $100 for it. 00:57:39.489 --> 00:57:45.217 They said Well A more saying 250 he was worth 250. I'm sending the money, 00:57:45.250 --> 00:57:48.195 but I ain't got, I'm might dollars. 00:57:48.228 --> 00:57:53.956 Cause see I don't have the same equipment here as they have they want. 00:57:53.989 --> 00:57:58.017 What I mean by that it doesn't look as nice and the law says it must be 00:57:58.050 --> 00:58:03.945 the lowest and best, best BSP, and the best doesn't mean it's the lowest 00:58:03.978 --> 00:58:09.115 price. William Ste said you got to get a lawyer. 00:58:09.148 --> 00:58:11.896 And they said, well, right now I'm sorry, your, your facilities are not 00:58:11.929 --> 00:58:15.727 quite equal to the white folks. 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.436 And the man said your streets not paved out here. 00:58:19.469 --> 00:58:21.546 Yeah. 00:58:21.579 --> 00:58:24.477 And uh tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock before the vote on the city council 00:58:24.510 --> 00:58:28.316 I came to speak. 00:58:28.349 --> 00:58:33.106 They don't want to come to a place I speak my face. 00:58:33.139 --> 00:58:40.276 This is one, and they cost $7000 to pay that street one block. 00:58:40.309 --> 00:58:43.916 This is what I got a problem. I got a problem here. I'm trying to do some 00:58:43.949 --> 00:58:48.526 things that I might quite customary. 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:54.836 Have I asked you a question, sir? 00:58:54.869 --> 00:59:01.256 Not Mr. Coleman no you since that time. Fine. Mr. Rangel mentioned that. 00:59:01.289 --> 00:59:07.456 There there's some question. In the bank's mind whether or not 00:59:07.489 --> 00:59:11.606 It's not the question, I should say whether the white people will support 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:16.997 this, but whether the Negro will support this. And I have a resolution 00:59:17.030 --> 00:59:21.046 here, uh, we're going to ask you if you believe in this idea, see, because 00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:27.135 we need to know today whether or not we can go forward with this idea. And 00:59:27.168 --> 00:59:32.115 actually you are the one who will decide. So I have here in my hand a 00:59:32.148 --> 00:59:35.796 resolution and I'll read it to you and, and as I read it, you listen to it 00:59:35.829 --> 00:59:41.595 and see if you want to, to, to sign it. This is what it amounts to. 00:59:41.628 --> 00:59:46.436 We the sign in line with the thinking of the NAACP, the Urban League, and 00:59:46.469 --> 00:59:50.635 great leaders for brotherhood in our time, like Dr. Martin Luther King and 00:59:50.668 --> 00:59:55.396 President Lyndon B. Johnson, believe that now is the time for brotherhood 00:59:55.429 --> 01:00:01.086 , all God's children working together. Black men and white men serving 01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:05.787 each other and in line with the 1964 Civil Rights Act on 01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:12.675 non-discrimination, do hereby resolve as follows. It is hereby resolved 01:00:12.708 --> 01:00:18.316 that we will encourage the construction of the Universal Memorial Center 01:00:18.349 --> 01:00:23.477 on the express principles of integration and brotherhood. and hereby 01:00:23.510 --> 01:00:27.675 express our faith in God and belief in the fatherhood of God and the 01:00:27.708 --> 01:00:34.756 brotherhood of man. And that all men, black and white. Should and can work 01:00:34.789 --> 01:00:40.316 together in love and mutual respect. It is further resolved that we 01:00:40.349 --> 01:00:45.155 ministers, leaders, and interested citizens do hereby petition the 01:00:45.188 --> 01:00:52.236 Universal Memorial Center to continue in this idea of brotherhood. 01:00:52.269 --> 01:00:56.845 Did everyone get that? Fine. Now we would like for you to sign this if you 01:00:56.878 --> 01:01:01.506 believe, if you believe in what we have said this morning. And we would 01:01:01.539 --> 01:01:05.717 like to have all of your signatures for, we have to show the bank that we 01:01:05.750 --> 01:01:09.276 believe in integration. 01:01:09.309 --> 01:01:14.115 Now please if you don't leave then, don't get me out here and get up. 01:01:14.148 --> 01:01:19.276 I'm asking you, I'm not gonna get your mind yet? I feel bad about you 01:01:19.309 --> 01:01:25.916 because honestly and seriously this is a great decision tomorrow I'll get 01:01:25.949 --> 01:01:30.727 the city to pay the street they'll have that ordinance approved. They have 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.057 to prove it. We had a fight. The man across the street didn't hold me. 01:01:36.090 --> 01:01:39.486 On the corners right up there doesn't mean nothing in this area is run 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:45.155 down anyway. And it took us, uh, we've been on this thing for over a year. 01:01:45.188 --> 01:01:48.396 Now I got this come up tomorrow. If you don't want it, I'm gonna go down 01:01:48.429 --> 01:01:52.155 to the city tomorrow and say don't pay in the street because we don't want 01:01:52.188 --> 01:01:55.717 these things. Yes brother Jackson. Uh, do you plan to get up and signature 01:01:55.750 --> 01:02:00.967 ? 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:06.365 Well, yes, well, I'm gonna see them in the main, the whites, I, I, this is 01:02:06.398 --> 01:02:10.445 the most important one here and we felt as though that we get the, we have 01:02:10.478 --> 01:02:14.336 made a contact with the Methodist Church, they're giving us a better. And 01:02:14.369 --> 01:02:18.577 the bishop of the Catholic Church. The letters, they give us or individual 01:02:18.610 --> 01:02:23.066 letters are only saying they believe in what we say when you say he did. 01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:27.365 They didn't say they gonna go out and bustle those dead for cars. 01:02:27.398 --> 01:02:27.865 I mean yes sir we'll get I'm gonna add to this and have a chance to sign 01:02:27.898 --> 01:02:33.945 them. 01:02:33.978 --> 01:02:37.316 I'm sure the church where you were will get that signed because they were. 01:02:37.349 --> 01:02:45.349 Impressed with you. They never met a good Negro about you before the. 01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:51.506 The only thing I regret that I'm leaving the state, but I want to be the 01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:55.956 first to sign it. 01:02:55.989 --> 01:02:57.989 Yeah.