I don't think that's my signature. I don't know. Maybe that's me. Maybe I
was a witness. But uh yeah, you got that. Uh I, I should printed anything
. I saw your name down in Baltimore. I see. Wait a minute,
I might bring that out. Really? No, I don't make an H five that
1045 at the time. That's still pe d that in a second.
Oh, good.
Important.
A was on the bus. It was on the bus
went out on the first two at 10 point value. Mm. Oh, how come
II I, maybe I, maybe I dictated to, I don't know. I thought that was kind
of unusual. Anyway.
Anyway, you said you started in 26 28 1926.
October. The first I went on the payroll. I broke in for five days
previous to that. Yeah, the city, uh, see, they just, they got it in 25 so
they were running it down. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they were operating if they,
they took over in December, I think it was in 40 then 25. Right. Then uh
they uh replaced the old Super, he, uh in Mitchell in January. So, uh,
they were in full charge then
and then, uh,
on the first of October I took it now also it was on the first of October
in 1956 today. Retired just 3030 years to a day. Yeah. So the city sold it
one in 57 I guess. About, yeah, about that. Now, they're back in, they're
spending more money on it now when they don't own it. If you read by the
papers the way they're going about it, uh, it'll never work.
You know, they, um, you probably are aware of some of the property that
they, they got when they bought that, that they acquired East Lake Park
and a bunch of other things. Uh, Woodland Park and, uh, and that, uh, park
over there, uh, at Ninth Avenue in Van Buren.
Uh, that's where the old plant had been. The old power plant had been and
there was a power plant had been at Night Night Street. N street. Yeah, it
was an old, uh, stuff there. I don't know whether he did what to do to
the according. As near as I can determine the, um, Sherman who owned the
thing originally, he built the first waterworks in Phoenix and they were
at that place and he had the first power plant and that was at that place
and then he came along with the street railway.
Uh, I guess as long as he's, uh, I don't know whether he ever lived here
or not, but he uh transferred his uh operations over to Los Angeles. And
that, uh he had owned the, what became the Pacific L A railway. Uh Well,
it was the, it was
to the Southern Pacific, you know, Los Angeles and Pacific. It was, I
think
he was a, he was quite an old boy but he didn't care anything about the
outbreaks over here. All he's invested in what money to get out of it, you
know. And then there's the, uh, uh, he put in a, a haywire outfit in the
first place is clap trap, much stuff. Uh Use the, they said he knew you
got new ties, discarded guys. I, I, that I think it's going a little bit
too far. Well, I know that there's a ra that they had with all you rails.
I know that uh the, um, uh there was a study that the, uh some up it did
in 1922 is the Barstow company, a management company in New York came in
and did a study with a view to, you know, rejuvenating the railroad. And I
found that finally down City Hall because it had a bunch of pictures in it
that I wanted because I knew I knew about it because when I was in college
in 1951 I did a little record on the street railway system and I went out
and Hardy was alive then and uh I went out to his office and he whipped
out this report and, and we were looking at it, so I'm looking to it. Well
, I finally got it, got a hold of it with the city here. Nobody could find
it. Nobody knew where it was. And so finally I wrote a nice letter to the
mayor and I told him what I was looking for and nobody seemed to be able
to find it. And about four days later here comes a big package to my
office from the city manager. And it's this report that said when I
finished with it, please send it back. But anyway, they went in there,
they went into great detail about the track and the condition of the track
and how, when they, when they laid it down where they just scrape off the
dirt, put down the ties, they ju they weren't creo sodas or anything. They
just put down plain pine ties and then they just laid the rail on top of
it and most of it was used rail and, uh there was fairly lightweight and
then they ran very heavy cars on it all which didn't go uh, no ballast, no
ballast at all. The, uh,
and when I went to work as long as I had that old, those old uh tracks in
every time, brain wise, uh, you can look out for trouble. The car can get
off the tracks because uh, the rails would spread, uh, there was nothing
holding them but the dirt and, uh, lots of places are rotted ties and, uh
, and then there would be, uh, well, at any time there might be a, hello.
Uh, the time that would be, that caused the rail to break every time the
car went over that rail would flex a little and after a while it
crystallized and break, they'd have a broken rail in there. Yeah, One time
I went in there, the only time I ever saw a kink rail, I think it was kink
then. Uh, oh, it, it looked like it was in 18 inches. It was a hot day.
And, uh, uh, but we had two car equipment and the fella I was working with
, we met another car up there in the old old motorman. Uh, Baker is his
name and he came out there and he said, you better watch out when you come
back down. He says there's a rail kink up there. He said it was kinked
over that far and he showed about 18 inches and he said I went over it,
but he said, I don't think anybody else can go over. So sure enough, we
come back down there while it was kink. And, uh, so he just long and just
barely moved and the fla on the wheels, uh, pushed it out if it had been
kicked out. Of course, it may not do it, but we couldn't have gone over it
all. We've been very sure, uh, when we went through all the things and I,
I suppose we can sort of piece out. I don't want to make a room for
expansion and they, there was all kinds of trouble with those. You really
got in on the, on the ground floor then on the big part of it when they
had all the old equipment left. Yeah, there was a and, uh, in those days I
, uh, most crossings had signs up their private right away, uh,
commissioned to cross, uh, maybe prohibited at any time. And, uh, because
they all that was all private street crossings. I mean, right away. Yeah.
Yeah. Uh, you are supposed to have an absolute right away on that public
graduate. That would have been like, what up on the Indian school line and
, yeah, maybe, uh, uh, I don't know. Well, uh, down in town, I don't know
what the store was but, uh, what had been, I guess, uh, outsides limits in
Roosevelt Street North. Uh, and, uh,
I don't know how far, used to see the limits for when they laid those
around. Um, 10th Street. You probably wonder why that kink about that road
, about how, how they little jog.
Uh, they, they want him to go up 14th Street with his line and, uh, he
wanted to go up 10th Street and he owned that property and there just
bought it and, uh, ran it up, yeah,
beside the water V 10th Street. Consequently, uh, they, they build their
houses built up alongside it and, uh, consequently those on the west side
of the street from, uh, p up to Roosevelt where Bill on, uh, street
movement right away. So they had to straighten that out before they could
move the 10 street all over. But he could, he was on his own property and
they couldn't do anything about it. And the city of limits was at
Roosevelt, then he could jump over and the word D street. So that's why
they bring the job.
I always kind of wondered about that. They went over there about the, the
street just about the right track up there. So he did whatever he wanted
to.
Did you ever, did you ever run out on the Glendale line? Well, I went to
work at the Glendale Lines, uh, in the process of being taken up, uh, they
took it up to across Central Avenue. They call that orange dinner. Uh,
I don't know, subdivision hardly out there and that small one, but he went
to a district. Yeah. And, uh, that is, uh,
well, the
thugs but uh 60
three acres or something like that. I like it over north of the, the, the
east of the 31st Avenue and north of Glendale Avenue. And that's where our
church is. And we got that block 30 the 35th, 31st. Uh, and uh, uh he had
the right away, it was up on the no end of it. So he had to get that
cleared up before the US. And of course he was gone the city and he had,
he had to buy it or anyway, get time good before he can use that end up
there. He didn't know that anymore.
All right. See, I know there's some, uh, some notes in the, in the records
, you know, in the, in the books, like notices they published to the guys
that work there. You know that when I'm saying that, uh, somebody had run
off the end of the orange wood line and it was common knowledge that the
line was being taken up and there was no excuse for that sort of thing. I
guess they just came to the end of the line. Yeah, I, I can remember, uh,
felt like that went out there at night and, uh, they were taking it up and
, uh, I don't know how much they take up at the time, but Murray Parsons,
he was, uh, uh, the old track man. He had a crew out there multicolored
that, uh, were working on that. Come on might get too big. It must have
been old timer at it because, you know, they, they were saying as they
working, you know, and they pick those big rails up and, uh, then, uh, uh
, all at one time, they, they'd go up with the rail and, and bring it up,
uh, shoulder high and shove it over onto the, uh, car. That was, yeah,
they were loading it on and they pulled it back.
You like to watch it all boys
singing to me along the,
that stuff up. What, uh, what kind of cars did they, what, what kind of
cars did they use on that line after they took off when they didn't go all
the way to Glendale anymore? Oh, they just use the ordinary, they're old
hand breakers that track out there was, they used the lad one and that,
the track was that pretty bad shape. And it just, it went to Central
Avenue, went north to, uh, Illinois the Fair
and then east on Fairmont 12th Street.
And, uh, at the 12th Street in Paramount there was, there was a dead man
curve there. I mean, it was square to turn flat and square. Yeah, it was,
uh, uh, yeah, it was flat with two and, uh, and, uh, went north to, uh,
Maryland Avenue and that's what they call Desert Curve. Maryland Avenue in
12th Street. Uh, there had been a, I guess a subsidy can put in there or
something. I don't know what, what time, uh, there was some chicken
ranches and thing and now they're out there and, and the grocery store
general store. Then it went, uh, from
12 Maryland which desk went west to, uh, on Third Street and then I'm
gonna turn north. That's what the common called Powerhouse Curve. It was
substation. That substation is still there. You know what it is? Yeah, you
got, you got one day I went looking for it because, uh, you know, I knew
that that was where it was supposed to have been. And heck, I go down that
road all the time, you know, and I never pay any attention and set back
off on the, no, on the southwest corner, there's some great big cypress
type trees out in front and almost hidden by the bushes back there. Is
this very great looking building which is a two level type deal kind of
brick brick. Well, it's covered. The back is, you can see it's red brick
on the back but then blasted over the front and people are living in it
like a house. It's a long shed, like a fair out in the back of it. It's
still there
next time you drive over that way. Take a look because it, it's still
there. Did you ever operate on that orange wood branch out there at all?
Oh, yes. Uh When I first started to work the second run I got to me was no
, I, I work two sign ups on the Washington Street and then, uh I signed up
with that fell out on the Indian school lane at left or would, uh uh, well
, the motorman took it one night and the conductor the next night, uh I
was on the back end. Uh, it's a con job. Uh, that's where they put me to
start out with. And so the fellow I was working with Callaway Callaway, uh
, he was a good mode. He was been operating, he was smooth and he, he
could make time. But, uh, why the way he would take some of those
intersections. Uh, there was, uh, one at, uh, third street in Palm Lake.
It was a high hedge and, uh, you, in order to look out for the, uh,
traffic coming from, uh, the west as you were southbound, uh, you would
have to come to a full stop and look around the corner, you know, uh,
because it was absolutely blind as could be. But, uh, old hard, he go past
that thing where they were sitting around on the brass as they call it.
That is on those old cars had nine points on the controller. They have the
little pieces. They had little points that stick up on the, you know, they
were all inside. There was nothing on the, uh, on the top of the
controller except the, uh, running points as five. And, uh, of course,
nine was the p, was it the brass? It was a brass top there. Um, those old
controller had and, uh, it was a raised piece there. Yeah, that was nine
points. Well, the five points and the nine points were two running points.
The rest of them. Were Peter points and you weren't supposed to and stop
on one of those intermediate points. Yeah. But he would he go past that as
fast? That thing of travel.
And I've seen the car as a time or two and he'd do that. They'd come out
there and it would burn rubber but never touched him and turn the thing
and he just turned around and look at a pretty heavy piece of machinery.
There's no, no way of getting around that. Uh, I guess that was still
pretty, pretty much in the country though out there then. No, uh, not at
that time. Uh, you see, they, they build up along uh, third street and, uh
, at, uh, Los Alias, uh North mcdowell road up to, uh, about, uh Monte
Vista and, um, and from Central Avenue to Seventh Street and we call that
millionaires role and with the, uh, the cream of the, um, society lived
out there and that was before the country clubs to go since that was those
who put in there. I can't think of. Bill thought he was a, used to be a
supervisor. He told he built the first house out there and
he was, he was part of it. He had a pump base. I can't think what his name
was. But when, when, when he got off the Indian school line going and went
out into Orange, was there a lot of houses along there then or was that
yeah, there were houses along there now, it was built up pretty solid, uh
, out around in school. Uh, the, of course there was a, an old pan p store
that was a, a local chain. The Safeway Fund, uh, bought them out. Uh, they
had a, a good big store store and a good business, uh, at the southwest
corner of the intersection of, uh, in his two road and the third street.
Then over on the east side, the street
was the, the old house building is still there. The Bachelor drug store.
Um Garth's father was Garin was run that store there. And uh uh
from the east side between that there, there was a, the uh Maricopa canal
went down through there. It was open, it is just not of the uh frame
and uh there wasn't any uh bridge crosses, there was nothing but the
street, car crash, the wooden trestle, yeah, wooden trestle. And that's
the only way you get across there with the add boards down to the middle
of it. So easy walking this way, people walk back and forth. But uh the
sounds of that canal, it was built up, uh just about solid over the
Central Avenue and between Third Street and Central Avenue and clear down
to Ausburn Ro road in the old Ausburn school there. And on the other side
to the north of Clarendon, it was built up pretty well. Uh from Third
Street to Seventh Street. And, uh, on north to in school road,
when did they, uh, when did they finally pave that through? So that you
didn't have that bridge anymore? And, uh, and that was, uh, I mean, was
that when, when they paved the whole street? Uh, no, they, they put in a
bridge there long before the, that was put in the, uh, oh,
29 maybe in the thirties. But they didn't do anything in the thirties.
Everybody be forced to do anything. So that, that the street car line out
there in the thirties was still pretty much uh on private runway. No, when
the city brought it over, uh, it was, uh, yeah, I don't know where the
status was. Oh, yeah, they own the tracks. Yeah. But the tracks were by
themselves, weren't they out in the middle of the road? Yeah. No, they
were on the, uh, out there. It was only
uh west side of the road after you got, you got, you, uh, the double track
went to Clarendon and then there was a, a single track from there on out.
It took the west track, took the west side and that, so we went on up
there and I remember there used to be, we stopped right beside it and take
it and uh there used to be China berry trees along there uh on the, and
between it and the pan package store
and uh it is kind of a um holy look place, you know, it's like a small
town out there. It reminded me, uh, you know, the neighborhood out there
they had business, uh, business blocks there from third Street on down, I
guess most of the second street they had a hardware store in there and
everything. Uh, because people,
oh, yeah, it was just a little shop that around there and like, yeah, they
didn't have many in those days. Most people downtown, I guess when I must
have been five or six years old, my grandfather took me out there several
times just for a ride. We thought we'd have a Coke or something in the
drugstore out there. I don't remember that as well as you would. But I, I
have the, I have kind of an impression about by the Indian school, the car
track, sort of being on the west side of the road and kind of under trees.
Like, yeah. But, uh, did you ever run the old kennel work line much at
all? Yeah, it, did you run it before they rebuild it? Um, I never did sign
over there when they, uh, had it back on the old, uh, where it was to see
it went to
mcdowell to LA and then it, then it went over to 3rd 3rd Street. Yeah. But
I, I broke in when it was out there, the fellow broke in me in, on that
line. He's the first one with, he's still living and ho and so I can
remember that, uh, very well.
And then they straightened it out when they rebuilt it and they just
straight north up to, and then, and then people over there didn't like it.
What the, who did? And, um, second to your 3rd, 3rd street. Yes. To a
third avenue. You have to walk over. Yeah. And of course, uh, no city.
Most everybody, most everybody out there near move that the running. Then
, uh,
another impression that I have, whether it's really true or not about that.
Same time. Every Saturday my grandfather used to take me for a ride in
the street. We go downtown and we'd go out more of the lines. And, uh, it
seemed to me like at the end of the, of the Kenilworth Line, it kind of
stopped under some cottonwood trees, you know. Yeah, it was, yeah, the
older line, the older one before my time. Yeah. Well, the later when it
stopped at the can Boulevard Can now. And, and, uh, that was, it, it was,
no, it was just a barrel around. Yeah.
Did you ever work on, on the, uh, extension of east of, on the Washington
Street line after I broke in there? That was all, you know,
I found a deal in the company record where they were telling me, I forget
when it was, it must have been 1920 or there about. And they were giving
the, the motorman all kinds of promotions saying when you leave the car,
apparently they leave the car out there someplace when they weren't using
it, they leave it out there. He said, well, when you do that, he said
you're gonna have to find a better place to hide the controller because a
bunch of young boys are not in regard to their own safety or without any
parental guidance or getting on that car and driving it back and forth on
the line.
Well, yeah, I can remember they used to, uh, sometimes, uh, that have, uh
, he parking, uh, and then he picked the,
that washed into the car and I can remember that. I had forgotten all
about that. They had little old. Number 14. It was a little old single
truck car that they used to use out there. Yeah, by that time I, I, I've
got, I don't have a picture of that with me but I've got a, saw a picture
of it. It was, uh, apparently it had been completely open originally, you
know, cross seats and then running boards and they rebuilt it and closed
in the middle. But that was a different one. That was a different one.
Yeah, that little old, uh, 14. I'm thinking about it. The single trucks
and it had f down the side and I don't know whether the ends are supposed
to end or not. But anyway, I remember about that but, uh, it had a line up
a wheel that break.
And I never did operate that thing that you got and there was a dog, you
know, that, uh, held the, uh,
uh, who use the,
see, and that thing worked anyway, you had a wheel wheel there that had
the notches in it and this dog fit in those, I think, to release that
break, you kicked the thing. Yeah, that's where it went. It, it, it turned
the shaft that, uh, went down through the floor and, uh, then this, uh,
this car wheel was down there just above the floor and then this dog was
beside it here in the, that would hold a brake on. See, and when you want
to release it while you kick that with your foot, kick the other end and
then throw the dog out, release that. Yeah. And I imagine you have to, uh
, do a little of it with your hand too on the break,
but they only five points on the controller and it wouldn't go, uh, go
about a dog trot as fast as go. It was probably a very, very old one.
well, uh, Sam Hodges said one time they had a bunch of those, those little
old cars, they got rid of them. They always had used the cars except doing
the old company only. But, uh, four cars new, you know, I got 40 41 42 and
43 and I know them all, I can tell you all about them, just exactly which
one's best and which the, uh, um,
and the ins and outs about them, what's wrong with them and what's their
advantages? But they kept, they kept, they kept those right up to the, uh
, even the city used those new car. They closed those things. They closed
one in 50 uh, the front and the front vestibule and they used that on the
K one at night, Uh,
and they used the other, they used the 47 Grand Avenue and the other two
and they had a spare 41. 40 uh, 2, 43 used to be the sparrow. 43 was low
on one side of lopsided. And the thing, uh, yeah, you couldn't beat it up
very fast and take off or not be over. They had an overhead switch. I know
you had to, uh, the thing would kick and a heck of a noise. Some of them,
sometimes the firefly, the thing you'd have, you just there and whack the
thing back in and then you could feed it up and then it didn't break good
either. But they have, they didn't have air brakes and whistles. I know.
So, yeah. Well, they didn't, uh, they took the whistles off of them. The
only thing that they had the whistle on was only 33. That was a, uh, there
was no other one like it. I made a whole number one and 33 were different.
Maybe the rest of them. A 33 is one that I don't have a picture of, but I
got a picture. I got a picture of it. Let's see. Now, I don't know what
this thing that,
and the people who was in it there, go her again. I'll be darned.
No. And here's go. Number one.
Mhm.
Now, that was supposed to be the phone number one, is that the fact one?
Yeah, you got a better collection of pictures, I think than I do.
Well, these, uh,
that,
that Bill Scott and he's still there.
This is a, you know, these kids waiting around there for their paychecks
and they wasn't too, they just proposing for picture. Uh, nobody had any
money to pay, they let them out. So, these are some of the different
places and this one was a good, yeah, now that, uh, that was, uh, that was
one of the brand new ones. But now they came with, what color were these
things when they came with? They were orange, a dark orange, deep red,
almost red, almost red. What was this color? That was a yellow, yellow.
They were pretty huge. Now, they had these old cars, they kept those old
cars out behind the car barn for a long, long time. Here's a bunch of
adjusters out there. There's old rails and there, and there's old cars
there and that was what they used to.
I know. No. Well, they sometimes use it. Yeah, they kept the team there
when I first went to work and they, uh, I was working on the line with the
line wagon and because I remember it and Larry was a, so next to no handle.
Yeah, they tell Larry to get the, the, and, and it just, it, you know,
the wagon and the go some place and, and I've seen a picture of this 33
but it was an older picture and it had opens on at that time.
What a minute is just you starting back here. And I like, no, I've got the
, they just happen to be, oh, they just happen to be there. Ok. I think
you do.
Yeah, very true. Vicky.
And this fellow was, uh, international man in Salt Lake City.
I remember this one is really, these are, this is especially interesting.
That's the way they collect the plays
that he had a rope on her own. Yeah. An er, or what? Yeah. And I got a
picture of it. So, yeah, let me see.
I got a picture number one too. It's not that, uh, what,
seven,
you can hardly make out the number. Mhm.
Ok. The idea is that, that was that even though I never guess that I must
, must have been, uh, here one of the forties. I don't know which one.
Yeah. And here's a long shot of one after was down the bottom ruined and
sitting out in the backyard.
Uh, that was, that was one of the only summer cars we knew. So that, well
, that was good,
you know, that to make it out for.
But whether that was, uh, see that really isn't the photograph, uh, where
it is, it's been touched up. And so you see the trolley pool. No. Well,
that probably
come back here. Let me, let me start back here and show you some of these
, some of these and I'm, I'm, I don't lose those. I wanna take a look at
those. This is not the, uh, that's a horse car. I don't know. Maybe I've
got a picture of that. That's, uh, there's a horse car picture. What I got
me here enough.
Ok. That was a picture that they put on the front of the invitation to
ride in the last street car. That same picture in which wasn't the last.
So I have to find a bit to operate and how we get to that.
I mean, they didn't, they operated after they had the big ceremony. I
operated the last day. Oh, yeah, about a week or 10 days. Hm. I didn't
know that. Yeah, there you can have that. Don,
what in the world would that have been? That picture been taken? Well,
that was taken at the, uh, Second Avenue in Washington. And you remember
the old drug store? Yeah, I'll be there. I mean, make yourself room so you
can sit in, uh, and that one.
Yeah, that was, uh, oh, we were fooling around down there and, uh, waiting
for a paycheck and, uh, and they just cutting up the guy climbing up on
top there
and that's why I look black enough. Oh, do you guys know?
And here you got two in a row. One with the new color and one with the old
, um, and I wonder where that would have been? Was it an end of the line?
Because there's a little light up there that like Indian school? I think
that,
yeah, but they must have just repined. Yeah. But this is still orange.
That's a little orange color. That, oh, they changed colors? The terrible
, that's cut. I cut that thing. I allowed him out this Dan the bulldog.
He's know that Vaudeville Super.
And there's, there's one that shows the old break. Yeah, that was a good
guy. Hm. That's good. That's a good picture and very good. Now some of
these darn things are enclosed. I know like on the far end of it they have
the, the door in the middle. Some of them have the steps here and some of
them have the steps up there and I'm sure, well, some of them have steps
on both sides. Yeah.
Yeah, I look for change, man. You know
that, uh,
yeah, that's it.
You thought about the high steps, uh, that the
orange? Yeah. What happened to this one? Number one? 08 Well, I was, uh,
uh,
shortly after we got those cards when I, uh, yeah, the Super n, no one
lets me know these two run together. That's it. 132
right out there in, uh, at 13 we had a cross over there and, uh, uh, this
one here,
I was going into the yard. He had to cross over from, uh, this, uh, east
bound track over in here, take the track in, you know, and will take the
lead track off into the yard. Well, this one was a westbound and the last
day while he was doing the fire in the evening and he had pack flow, he
just picked him up in 16th Street down there. So, and, uh, he didn't see
the switch and switched to, somebody had left the switch open and he just
, uh, went right across me into that one. What car was that? What number
was that? There's a gold 33? Oh, that's like, like rebuild. Oh, yeah. Ok.
And that's what 108?
Did they rebuild that one? 01 of these things, you know, they bought 18
and in later years they were only 17, 1 of them, something must have
happened. Well, for some reason they sold one of them to some guy out to,
on Van Buren street, way out there. And, uh, he used it for a diner or
something. Kind of the new one. No. Yeah, one of those, uh, one of 18. And
the, and that was about, uh, 1940 41 sometime along there. Uh, because I
was, uh, I was just saying, but at that time I think, sold for $500 and
then they tried to buy it back from him
after three years. I think the Hoy one,
they make $1000. I wonder why they sold it. I don't know. It, just a bunch
of food. They, they go on the buses and it's the, that cannibalized. Maybe
it and decided to get rid of it.
Yeah,
this is George.
Appreciate that.
Hm. And slogans. All of them. This is, this is a very nice thing out front
there. I like that. Yeah, a window down and open, I guess. These are all
picture of p and there and there is this one, this one up here on the one.
Yeah.
Yeah, I brought some, uh, I have a, a bunch of extra ones of some that I
have, which are later years I thought you might like to have because
they're a couple that's a full sale.
I don't know why they changed the numbers around. They changed them
different things. Uh, the, the numbers and why I often wonder.
She's not a
really,
there was a fellow camp who owns a radio station at a place called Kane
California
and there's a railroad above and he took these pictures earlier time in
1947.
Yeah, it's lot, lot.
Hm.
You have those because I got,
yeah, I got, uh, in, uh, 47. That's when they, uh, they'd already taken
off the grill line that they had got. There we go. Then they, uh, she had
a fire down there. Yeah. And, uh, they had seven cars left. Think what?
And, uh, they, we fired them out in the open and move them on Washington
Street. I was working on Washington Street the time at the time of the
fire. I think so. But I, I worked on after work anyway. And, and they,
they had one, a lead. I for that wasn't great then. Yeah.
And uh, he had to be in danger. I don't know now because it's narrow gauge.
There was a, you know, they had to narrow the railroad above me.
So it's San Francisco
baby.
Mm. Jumped back in the yard there. They had one old car, 121. I'd like to
have a picture of that. That was like to have a picture of it. I got it.
Uh, it, it was two splash together. That's what they used on Glendale.
Matter of fact, there it is, it had a,
yeah, I know.
Uh, well, now that was the, used to be in the middle there. There was a
safe and uh
yeah, apparatus that went with it. The saw little office in there. The uh
the guy that says the conductor on that
one day when he was a Wells Fargo agent.
They, uh,
and they kept all kinds of stuff. I didn't know they did. Um, you said
down to, uh, uh, money from one bank to another. You know, when you
compare it though, you take this, here's a picture of 1890 the old Bery
hillbilly and this car here which is closed, park and open path. If you
count all the windows and when you look at the, you know, the trucks and
the understructure and so forth, it looks very much like this is the same
model car. Simply.
No,
let me start at the beginning.
That, that's a horse car picture. And it was an Editori, I remember seeing
that picture now. Uh um I guess in the paper I, I got over that little
paper, ma got lot pictures. They got a bunch of old stuff with the, this
is a family in the back of a horse car.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that was quite the thing in front. And uh I mean, 10 years is one of
the old four car. Yeah. So summer car you call it. They had a running boy
out here, the guy, the uh conductor went down that running board and came
there and collected the thing there. And that's um like Washington First
Street.
Yeah,
it shows that people gonna catch a car
and this is a, this is a creative statehood is what it really is. But I
trolley car back here, which is why I would like to go to a hotel. And no
, that's no way he'll do anything. Oh, yeah, she was always we, yeah.
Uh, the Towers over here, they, there and this one I was kind of
interested because this is an closed one. But it's a real small. So that
was, uh, on first street just north of the Washington. See, at that time,
the old brail used to go up that way. Well, here's another, another
picture.
See, here you got one that's open. This is closed.
Weren't you start after wall paper behind that was before I was in the
door, I thought. Yeah.
Or you gonna make sense. Here's, here's the courthouse.
Um,
there's a weird thing. It must have been a, this isn't a very good picture
but, uh, you show something, of course some of these get, some of these
get blurred a little bit when they blew them up. This is taken off of a
postcard of all things. The colored postcard. Mhm.
Frank you or like that at the old railroad station
and this is one that Bill Scott had
old man. Yeah, I, I be, be here some place now. That was Sherman. Yeah, I
never did see if they came here and he gave the, uh, but they all have the
old car general she in the call. So he gave the land to that capital
building and he also gave the land for a depot at six points. Hm. The and
uh he run the station there, he had a line on that there and uh be
so they, they took it and that program, they just a little uh I don't know
if you a fan or not, they call it mo you know, for uh yeah, and uh uh they
put it there, they got the land to eat.
What the fuck is that? Yeah, he was 28 when he gave uh well, that whole uh
Capital Brown there was a picture
that uh that was uh they had a couple of those made. I said we that yeah,
that you live them so good because he the one again the picture. Yeah, the
that was one that they had made. Uh I took the, she make the chassis and
had to be Alison builds the body
and they build on truck. They had two of them from 83. Here's an old
picture of the car park. Yeah, I'm sure
I see first
Herman Thompson, those guys and they worked together.
This was a very bad picture but it's, it was under the tree uh at uh East
Lake Park.
There was another woman, Scott.
You broke me in on the brill two more. I do. No, let's see.
Very good in a week I think my
mhm
I mean I know that.
34.
Yeah. The City Oregon. Yeah. Uh I wanna make sure you do that. This is the
one up at school. You know the old team to take it out.
That was like a little shitty about it. 40 years. 24. 24.
She's back side.
Yeah. The gold line car.
I know that picture of that right here. Something we know that.
What, uh, this is just a street decision with no particular car but this
is the plumbing of the courthouse is here. How this, the tracks going up
down there? There used to be a line that went down there. Was that at any
time during your time? No, the tracks were right. Yeah,
it's one. Yeah. What color did they paint? They yellow, yellow were the
cars generally yellow when you first went to work there? Yeah, they were
yellow but they, they hadn't been painted and god knows when. And they,
they had those, that, uh, signs all over, you know, slogans, uh, uh, at
the life for best careless auto drivers almost with it. Be careful if they
care. And the stuff like that 96
auto cost you, uh, 10 cents a mile, a three mile ride for five cents.
That's it will.
Uh, they had those old gadgets before I went to work.
Battle in. Sorry. And the center is the, uh, should not open. I got a
couple of them.
I had one but I've had one of the old ones. Yeah, I have the,
and when I went to work they had any issues for me that is to, to repeat
you know, it just go to me a little tiny round. No, they had a, the
plastic, uh, the same shape about that
50.
Remember? And to the trip around the top and uh, 10 years had more than
we got them up there. So, and then for m even were conducted. Yeah, 20
3400 and 34. Another,
the original numbers. But then that's been paid. You must be back the
original number too.
Yeah, thanks, thanks. Well, now I know you had one in there. That one
picture said one away on. What did they do in one room? Yeah, they started
with the 101 100 was the oh, and then the 2468,
1012.
Yeah. Uh
and see what? Yeah,
and we went up to 3032. Is that right? I think that's about right. 3434
I guess. So they take every, even though even when we're starting with 100
then the next, it would be 102 and 106 and so forth. That's not by where?
At least
that at 42nd in the,
this one's got an interesting thing down here. Was this color? Was this
just all orange or this? Well, I don't remember they had a uh
different colors and one time they had a, what they call a sea form, green
and desert cream that and then they have the
side to the head. So
ornamental.
Design.
Well, because you mean, like those, these slashes of green color. No,
see,
probably, I, I've got the junk, uh,
scattered around
that, that it take me on later or maybe morning today. I don't have to,
you know, this one's got a, uh, these have got some wheel cover. Yeah, I
was trying to deaden the sound,
put those on there and they, uh, they had the inside the sprayed guitar,
you know, I had the sound but it had quite a bit. They claimed that they
kept making over and your own.
So they, they only try it on one car or? Yeah, that's what they used to do.
They just did experiment one card. That would be, that would be, did they
do many strange experiments like that?
Uh, well, there was a guy in the house, uh, I don't know what you more,
nothing to eat. He was, uh, a superintendent during the depression there.
Uh, got great with that. The city manager but the manager as well, you see
, engineering city, they get me back and forth and, uh, uh, uh, he was, uh
, oh, and they were out to can as many as they could. So, they started
experimenting with a, and then they had the,
yeah, put hard brake shoes on. Uh, the idea was that he said was to try to
cut down on some careful, uh, try to cut down on the consumption of a
little bit of a break. Shoes. And, uh, he said, well, since I, uh, texted
the hardness of it we knew and I made the, made, had shoes made 10% uh,
soft. Well, uh, you know what, uh, the hard, the hard shoe on a hard wheel
would do, it would make a glaze, the polish or high polish with no be, it
wouldn't grip. And of course, the hot that way, of course it was.
Uh, and then they build up some wheels, uh, bigger wheels. Uh, and, uh,
so, uh, fellow didn't have much chance. He didn't know and stopping those
d it wouldn't break like shit. And then they, they experimented with the
middle bridge.
Um And so meantime, we got organized and, uh, that came up with the union
meeting one time, what was going on. And so I happened to think and I said
, well, uh, you know, those bricks, the City of Phoenix doesn't own those
brakes on those cars. Westinghouse brake system owns them and that, uh, I
think that they should be notified is what's going on. You could be
interested to know. Well, it was get back home there about, like,
afterwards in Westinghouse. Yeah. You know, probably just as well. Did
they ever try any kind of bells? The unusual bells or wood bells or they
have there, uh, bell at one time? That thing would, uh, I mean, it raise
your
tear up the way that thing was cut loose. Did that? How did you work? How
did you work that? What was that like? Oh, you just press the button on
your foot and then it came off, kind of a constant ringing bell. Yeah.
There, there was a plunger that hit the bell, you know? But, uh, I don't
know how many oscillations a second it made but it was pretty fast and
that thing was loud and, you know, I remember, I remember as a kid, I
remember as a kid, something about something like that. But then they had
, they had those uh ratchet, uh, type, uh, that, uh,
uh there was a,
uh sort of a queen inside the, the uh gong.
And they were, uh, well, it worked like a governor uh, as it's spawn. Well
, the, there was uh queens in there that were loose that would come out
and strike it, strike the uh uh gong. Well, there's a, there's a
projection on the gong that it would, it would strike and it was about, uh
, uh, I don't know whether it's two of them. Yeah, I think it's two of
them who have gone, uh, this cross speech went across. So I need, uh, uh,
the wheels were on the end of it. They were solid and they had to lose the
, well, the, the hole, the hole was great big so that they could slide
back and forth and there's uh, they sent some difficult forces told them
to the outside and they ring up. But, uh, they were operated by, uh, pedal
that well, it was a p, the long here.