WEBVTT 00:00:00.009 --> 00:00:03.957 I don't think that's my signature. I don't know. Maybe that's me. Maybe I 00:00:03.990 --> 00:00:11.296 was a witness. But uh yeah, you got that. Uh I, I should printed anything 00:00:11.329 --> 00:00:17.387 . I saw your name down in Baltimore. I see. Wait a minute, 00:00:17.420 --> 00:00:24.875 I might bring that out. Really? No, I don't make an H five that 00:00:24.908 --> 00:00:32.908 1045 at the time. That's still pe d that in a second. 00:00:33.490 --> 00:00:41.490 Oh, good. 00:00:41.689 --> 00:00:48.656 Important. 00:00:48.689 --> 00:00:52.807 A was on the bus. It was on the bus 00:00:52.840 --> 00:01:00.840 went out on the first two at 10 point value. Mm. Oh, how come 00:01:02.368 --> 00:01:08.227 II I, maybe I, maybe I dictated to, I don't know. I thought that was kind 00:01:08.260 --> 00:01:11.147 of unusual. Anyway. 00:01:11.180 --> 00:01:18.855 Anyway, you said you started in 26 28 1926. 00:01:18.888 --> 00:01:23.766 October. The first I went on the payroll. I broke in for five days 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.727 previous to that. Yeah, the city, uh, see, they just, they got it in 25 so 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.986 they were running it down. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they were operating if they, 00:01:34.019 --> 00:01:40.936 they took over in December, I think it was in 40 then 25. Right. Then uh 00:01:40.969 --> 00:01:48.969 they uh replaced the old Super, he, uh in Mitchell in January. So, uh, 00:01:53.198 --> 00:01:57.516 they were in full charge then 00:01:57.549 --> 00:02:01.546 and then, uh, 00:02:01.579 --> 00:02:08.255 on the first of October I took it now also it was on the first of October 00:02:08.288 --> 00:02:16.288 in 1956 today. Retired just 3030 years to a day. Yeah. So the city sold it 00:02:18.379 --> 00:02:23.555 one in 57 I guess. About, yeah, about that. Now, they're back in, they're 00:02:23.588 --> 00:02:26.156 spending more money on it now when they don't own it. If you read by the 00:02:26.189 --> 00:02:33.775 papers the way they're going about it, uh, it'll never work. 00:02:33.808 --> 00:02:39.267 You know, they, um, you probably are aware of some of the property that 00:02:39.300 --> 00:02:44.737 they, they got when they bought that, that they acquired East Lake Park 00:02:44.770 --> 00:02:52.346 and a bunch of other things. Uh, Woodland Park and, uh, and that, uh, park 00:02:52.379 --> 00:02:58.856 over there, uh, at Ninth Avenue in Van Buren. 00:02:58.889 --> 00:03:03.767 Uh, that's where the old plant had been. The old power plant had been and 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:11.800 there was a power plant had been at Night Night Street. N street. Yeah, it 00:03:12.758 --> 00:03:19.946 was an old, uh, stuff there. I don't know whether he did what to do to 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:24.767 the according. As near as I can determine the, um, Sherman who owned the 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:30.827 thing originally, he built the first waterworks in Phoenix and they were 00:03:30.860 --> 00:03:36.017 at that place and he had the first power plant and that was at that place 00:03:36.050 --> 00:03:40.225 and then he came along with the street railway. 00:03:40.258 --> 00:03:44.967 Uh, I guess as long as he's, uh, I don't know whether he ever lived here 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:51.886 or not, but he uh transferred his uh operations over to Los Angeles. And 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:59.386 that, uh he had owned the, what became the Pacific L A railway. Uh Well, 00:03:59.419 --> 00:04:04.047 it was the, it was 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.396 to the Southern Pacific, you know, Los Angeles and Pacific. It was, I 00:04:07.429 --> 00:04:09.927 think 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:14.797 he was a, he was quite an old boy but he didn't care anything about the 00:04:14.830 --> 00:04:18.575 outbreaks over here. All he's invested in what money to get out of it, you 00:04:18.608 --> 00:04:26.608 know. And then there's the, uh, uh, he put in a, a haywire outfit in the 00:04:27.389 --> 00:04:35.245 first place is clap trap, much stuff. Uh Use the, they said he knew you 00:04:35.278 --> 00:04:40.805 got new ties, discarded guys. I, I, that I think it's going a little bit 00:04:40.838 --> 00:04:45.366 too far. Well, I know that there's a ra that they had with all you rails. 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:52.976 I know that uh the, um, uh there was a study that the, uh some up it did 00:04:53.009 --> 00:04:57.356 in 1922 is the Barstow company, a management company in New York came in 00:04:57.389 --> 00:05:02.656 and did a study with a view to, you know, rejuvenating the railroad. And I 00:05:02.689 --> 00:05:06.336 found that finally down City Hall because it had a bunch of pictures in it 00:05:06.369 --> 00:05:10.877 that I wanted because I knew I knew about it because when I was in college 00:05:10.910 --> 00:05:15.726 in 1951 I did a little record on the street railway system and I went out 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:21.515 and Hardy was alive then and uh I went out to his office and he whipped 00:05:21.548 --> 00:05:25.046 out this report and, and we were looking at it, so I'm looking to it. Well 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:29.015 , I finally got it, got a hold of it with the city here. Nobody could find 00:05:29.048 --> 00:05:32.596 it. Nobody knew where it was. And so finally I wrote a nice letter to the 00:05:32.629 --> 00:05:35.426 mayor and I told him what I was looking for and nobody seemed to be able 00:05:35.459 --> 00:05:39.067 to find it. And about four days later here comes a big package to my 00:05:39.100 --> 00:05:42.697 office from the city manager. And it's this report that said when I 00:05:42.730 --> 00:05:46.317 finished with it, please send it back. But anyway, they went in there, 00:05:46.350 --> 00:05:49.697 they went into great detail about the track and the condition of the track 00:05:49.730 --> 00:05:53.895 and how, when they, when they laid it down where they just scrape off the 00:05:53.928 --> 00:05:57.906 dirt, put down the ties, they ju they weren't creo sodas or anything. They 00:05:57.939 --> 00:06:02.995 just put down plain pine ties and then they just laid the rail on top of 00:06:03.028 --> 00:06:08.596 it and most of it was used rail and, uh there was fairly lightweight and 00:06:08.629 --> 00:06:13.825 then they ran very heavy cars on it all which didn't go uh, no ballast, no 00:06:13.858 --> 00:06:19.317 ballast at all. The, uh, 00:06:19.350 --> 00:06:24.656 and when I went to work as long as I had that old, those old uh tracks in 00:06:24.689 --> 00:06:30.226 every time, brain wise, uh, you can look out for trouble. The car can get 00:06:30.259 --> 00:06:36.015 off the tracks because uh, the rails would spread, uh, there was nothing 00:06:36.048 --> 00:06:42.137 holding them but the dirt and, uh, lots of places are rotted ties and, uh 00:06:42.170 --> 00:06:47.967 , and then there would be, uh, well, at any time there might be a, hello. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:55.726 Uh, the time that would be, that caused the rail to break every time the 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:00.015 car went over that rail would flex a little and after a while it 00:07:00.048 --> 00:07:08.048 crystallized and break, they'd have a broken rail in there. Yeah, One time 00:07:09.569 --> 00:07:14.955 I went in there, the only time I ever saw a kink rail, I think it was kink 00:07:14.988 --> 00:07:22.257 then. Uh, oh, it, it looked like it was in 18 inches. It was a hot day. 00:07:22.290 --> 00:07:27.836 And, uh, uh, but we had two car equipment and the fella I was working with 00:07:27.869 --> 00:07:34.736 , we met another car up there in the old old motorman. Uh, Baker is his 00:07:34.769 --> 00:07:39.476 name and he came out there and he said, you better watch out when you come 00:07:39.509 --> 00:07:43.567 back down. He says there's a rail kink up there. He said it was kinked 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.926 over that far and he showed about 18 inches and he said I went over it, 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.687 but he said, I don't think anybody else can go over. So sure enough, we 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:58.947 come back down there while it was kink. And, uh, so he just long and just 00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:06.447 barely moved and the fla on the wheels, uh, pushed it out if it had been 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.877 kicked out. Of course, it may not do it, but we couldn't have gone over it 00:08:10.910 --> 00:08:17.356 all. We've been very sure, uh, when we went through all the things and I, 00:08:17.389 --> 00:08:21.666 I suppose we can sort of piece out. I don't want to make a room for 00:08:21.699 --> 00:08:29.699 expansion and they, there was all kinds of trouble with those. You really 00:08:30.970 --> 00:08:34.177 got in on the, on the ground floor then on the big part of it when they 00:08:34.210 --> 00:08:39.995 had all the old equipment left. Yeah, there was a and, uh, in those days I 00:08:40.028 --> 00:08:46.326 , uh, most crossings had signs up their private right away, uh, 00:08:46.359 --> 00:08:53.047 commissioned to cross, uh, maybe prohibited at any time. And, uh, because 00:08:53.080 --> 00:09:00.177 they all that was all private street crossings. I mean, right away. Yeah. 00:09:00.210 --> 00:09:06.736 Yeah. Uh, you are supposed to have an absolute right away on that public 00:09:06.769 --> 00:09:10.217 graduate. That would have been like, what up on the Indian school line and 00:09:10.250 --> 00:09:18.106 , yeah, maybe, uh, uh, I don't know. Well, uh, down in town, I don't know 00:09:18.139 --> 00:09:22.917 what the store was but, uh, what had been, I guess, uh, outsides limits in 00:09:22.950 --> 00:09:29.525 Roosevelt Street North. Uh, and, uh, 00:09:29.558 --> 00:09:34.816 I don't know how far, used to see the limits for when they laid those 00:09:34.849 --> 00:09:41.326 around. Um, 10th Street. You probably wonder why that kink about that road 00:09:41.359 --> 00:09:46.076 , about how, how they little jog. 00:09:46.109 --> 00:09:52.356 Uh, they, they want him to go up 14th Street with his line and, uh, he 00:09:52.389 --> 00:09:56.606 wanted to go up 10th Street and he owned that property and there just 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:03.976 bought it and, uh, ran it up, yeah, 00:10:04.009 --> 00:10:11.236 beside the water V 10th Street. Consequently, uh, they, they build their 00:10:11.269 --> 00:10:18.145 houses built up alongside it and, uh, consequently those on the west side 00:10:18.178 --> 00:10:26.178 of the street from, uh, p up to Roosevelt where Bill on, uh, street 00:10:26.250 --> 00:10:34.250 movement right away. So they had to straighten that out before they could 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.446 move the 10 street all over. But he could, he was on his own property and 00:10:41.479 --> 00:10:44.436 they couldn't do anything about it. And the city of limits was at 00:10:44.469 --> 00:10:50.645 Roosevelt, then he could jump over and the word D street. So that's why 00:10:50.678 --> 00:10:53.596 they bring the job. 00:10:53.629 --> 00:10:57.025 I always kind of wondered about that. They went over there about the, the 00:10:57.058 --> 00:11:04.467 street just about the right track up there. So he did whatever he wanted 00:11:04.500 --> 00:11:07.375 to. 00:11:07.408 --> 00:11:11.726 Did you ever, did you ever run out on the Glendale line? Well, I went to 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:18.086 work at the Glendale Lines, uh, in the process of being taken up, uh, they 00:11:18.119 --> 00:11:26.119 took it up to across Central Avenue. They call that orange dinner. Uh, 00:11:26.808 --> 00:11:31.157 I don't know, subdivision hardly out there and that small one, but he went 00:11:31.190 --> 00:11:38.427 to a district. Yeah. And, uh, that is, uh, 00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:41.625 well, the 00:11:41.658 --> 00:11:47.366 thugs but uh 60 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:53.385 three acres or something like that. I like it over north of the, the, the 00:11:53.418 --> 00:11:59.686 east of the 31st Avenue and north of Glendale Avenue. And that's where our 00:11:59.719 --> 00:12:07.719 church is. And we got that block 30 the 35th, 31st. Uh, and uh, uh he had 00:12:08.719 --> 00:12:14.895 the right away, it was up on the no end of it. So he had to get that 00:12:14.928 --> 00:12:19.667 cleared up before the US. And of course he was gone the city and he had, 00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:25.047 he had to buy it or anyway, get time good before he can use that end up 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.667 there. He didn't know that anymore. 00:12:28.700 --> 00:12:35.326 All right. See, I know there's some, uh, some notes in the, in the records 00:12:35.359 --> 00:12:39.427 , you know, in the, in the books, like notices they published to the guys 00:12:39.460 --> 00:12:43.316 that work there. You know that when I'm saying that, uh, somebody had run 00:12:43.349 --> 00:12:46.467 off the end of the orange wood line and it was common knowledge that the 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:50.856 line was being taken up and there was no excuse for that sort of thing. I 00:12:50.889 --> 00:12:55.125 guess they just came to the end of the line. Yeah, I, I can remember, uh, 00:12:55.158 --> 00:13:00.316 felt like that went out there at night and, uh, they were taking it up and 00:13:00.349 --> 00:13:04.515 , uh, I don't know how much they take up at the time, but Murray Parsons, 00:13:04.548 --> 00:13:12.037 he was, uh, uh, the old track man. He had a crew out there multicolored 00:13:12.070 --> 00:13:17.086 that, uh, were working on that. Come on might get too big. It must have 00:13:17.119 --> 00:13:21.927 been old timer at it because, you know, they, they were saying as they 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:27.547 working, you know, and they pick those big rails up and, uh, then, uh, uh 00:13:27.580 --> 00:13:33.885 , all at one time, they, they'd go up with the rail and, and bring it up, 00:13:33.918 --> 00:13:41.446 uh, shoulder high and shove it over onto the, uh, car. That was, yeah, 00:13:41.479 --> 00:13:45.986 they were loading it on and they pulled it back. 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:50.255 You like to watch it all boys 00:13:50.288 --> 00:13:55.686 singing to me along the, 00:13:55.719 --> 00:14:00.037 that stuff up. What, uh, what kind of cars did they, what, what kind of 00:14:00.070 --> 00:14:03.826 cars did they use on that line after they took off when they didn't go all 00:14:03.859 --> 00:14:08.385 the way to Glendale anymore? Oh, they just use the ordinary, they're old 00:14:08.418 --> 00:14:14.066 hand breakers that track out there was, they used the lad one and that, 00:14:14.099 --> 00:14:21.336 the track was that pretty bad shape. And it just, it went to Central 00:14:21.369 --> 00:14:29.369 Avenue, went north to, uh, Illinois the Fair 00:14:29.609 --> 00:14:33.717 and then east on Fairmont 12th Street. 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:38.856 And, uh, at the 12th Street in Paramount there was, there was a dead man 00:14:38.889 --> 00:14:45.427 curve there. I mean, it was square to turn flat and square. Yeah, it was, 00:14:45.460 --> 00:14:53.460 uh, uh, yeah, it was flat with two and, uh, and, uh, went north to, uh, 00:14:54.859 --> 00:15:00.436 Maryland Avenue and that's what they call Desert Curve. Maryland Avenue in 00:15:00.469 --> 00:15:05.525 12th Street. Uh, there had been a, I guess a subsidy can put in there or 00:15:05.558 --> 00:15:09.297 something. I don't know what, what time, uh, there was some chicken 00:15:09.330 --> 00:15:14.765 ranches and thing and now they're out there and, and the grocery store 00:15:14.798 --> 00:15:19.875 general store. Then it went, uh, from 00:15:19.908 --> 00:15:27.908 12 Maryland which desk went west to, uh, on Third Street and then I'm 00:15:29.479 --> 00:15:34.346 gonna turn north. That's what the common called Powerhouse Curve. It was 00:15:34.379 --> 00:15:38.206 substation. That substation is still there. You know what it is? Yeah, you 00:15:38.239 --> 00:15:43.407 got, you got one day I went looking for it because, uh, you know, I knew 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.917 that that was where it was supposed to have been. And heck, I go down that 00:15:46.950 --> 00:15:49.736 road all the time, you know, and I never pay any attention and set back 00:15:49.769 --> 00:15:55.525 off on the, no, on the southwest corner, there's some great big cypress 00:15:55.558 --> 00:16:01.125 type trees out in front and almost hidden by the bushes back there. Is 00:16:01.158 --> 00:16:07.525 this very great looking building which is a two level type deal kind of 00:16:07.558 --> 00:16:12.265 brick brick. Well, it's covered. The back is, you can see it's red brick 00:16:12.298 --> 00:16:14.895 on the back but then blasted over the front and people are living in it 00:16:14.928 --> 00:16:19.145 like a house. It's a long shed, like a fair out in the back of it. It's 00:16:19.178 --> 00:16:23.135 still there 00:16:23.168 --> 00:16:25.927 next time you drive over that way. Take a look because it, it's still 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:30.255 there. Did you ever operate on that orange wood branch out there at all? 00:16:30.288 --> 00:16:35.936 Oh, yes. Uh When I first started to work the second run I got to me was no 00:16:35.969 --> 00:16:43.246 , I, I work two sign ups on the Washington Street and then, uh I signed up 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:51.135 with that fell out on the Indian school lane at left or would, uh uh, well 00:16:51.168 --> 00:16:57.417 , the motorman took it one night and the conductor the next night, uh I 00:16:57.450 --> 00:17:03.576 was on the back end. Uh, it's a con job. Uh, that's where they put me to 00:17:03.609 --> 00:17:09.814 start out with. And so the fellow I was working with Callaway Callaway, uh 00:17:09.847 --> 00:17:15.645 , he was a good mode. He was been operating, he was smooth and he, he 00:17:15.678 --> 00:17:21.325 could make time. But, uh, why the way he would take some of those 00:17:21.358 --> 00:17:28.127 intersections. Uh, there was, uh, one at, uh, third street in Palm Lake. 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:36.160 It was a high hedge and, uh, you, in order to look out for the, uh, 00:17:37.189 --> 00:17:42.617 traffic coming from, uh, the west as you were southbound, uh, you would 00:17:42.650 --> 00:17:47.397 have to come to a full stop and look around the corner, you know, uh, 00:17:47.430 --> 00:17:53.736 because it was absolutely blind as could be. But, uh, old hard, he go past 00:17:53.769 --> 00:17:57.976 that thing where they were sitting around on the brass as they call it. 00:17:58.009 --> 00:18:02.967 That is on those old cars had nine points on the controller. They have the 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.186 little pieces. They had little points that stick up on the, you know, they 00:18:07.219 --> 00:18:12.226 were all inside. There was nothing on the, uh, on the top of the 00:18:12.259 --> 00:18:18.736 controller except the, uh, running points as five. And, uh, of course, 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:25.506 nine was the p, was it the brass? It was a brass top there. Um, those old 00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:33.539 controller had and, uh, it was a raised piece there. Yeah, that was nine 00:18:35.108 --> 00:18:39.335 points. Well, the five points and the nine points were two running points. 00:18:39.368 --> 00:18:44.367 The rest of them. Were Peter points and you weren't supposed to and stop 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:51.516 on one of those intermediate points. Yeah. But he would he go past that as 00:18:51.549 --> 00:18:55.186 fast? That thing of travel. 00:18:55.219 --> 00:19:00.085 And I've seen the car as a time or two and he'd do that. They'd come out 00:19:00.118 --> 00:19:04.976 there and it would burn rubber but never touched him and turn the thing 00:19:05.009 --> 00:19:09.717 and he just turned around and look at a pretty heavy piece of machinery. 00:19:09.750 --> 00:19:14.315 There's no, no way of getting around that. Uh, I guess that was still 00:19:14.348 --> 00:19:18.617 pretty, pretty much in the country though out there then. No, uh, not at 00:19:18.650 --> 00:19:26.650 that time. Uh, you see, they, they build up along uh, third street and, uh 00:19:26.989 --> 00:19:34.989 , at, uh, Los Alias, uh North mcdowell road up to, uh, about, uh Monte 00:19:36.858 --> 00:19:44.858 Vista and, um, and from Central Avenue to Seventh Street and we call that 00:19:44.930 --> 00:19:52.930 millionaires role and with the, uh, the cream of the, um, society lived 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:58.496 out there and that was before the country clubs to go since that was those 00:19:58.529 --> 00:20:03.535 who put in there. I can't think of. Bill thought he was a, used to be a 00:20:03.568 --> 00:20:11.006 supervisor. He told he built the first house out there and 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.857 he was, he was part of it. He had a pump base. I can't think what his name 00:20:15.890 --> 00:20:20.736 was. But when, when, when he got off the Indian school line going and went 00:20:20.769 --> 00:20:25.107 out into Orange, was there a lot of houses along there then or was that 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:29.137 yeah, there were houses along there now, it was built up pretty solid, uh 00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:36.545 , out around in school. Uh, the, of course there was a, an old pan p store 00:20:36.578 --> 00:20:43.526 that was a, a local chain. The Safeway Fund, uh, bought them out. Uh, they 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:49.637 had a, a good big store store and a good business, uh, at the southwest 00:20:49.670 --> 00:20:55.486 corner of the intersection of, uh, in his two road and the third street. 00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:00.295 Then over on the east side, the street 00:21:00.328 --> 00:21:07.406 was the, the old house building is still there. The Bachelor drug store. 00:21:07.439 --> 00:21:15.439 Um Garth's father was Garin was run that store there. And uh uh 00:21:20.818 --> 00:21:26.627 from the east side between that there, there was a, the uh Maricopa canal 00:21:26.660 --> 00:21:33.736 went down through there. It was open, it is just not of the uh frame 00:21:33.769 --> 00:21:37.637 and uh there wasn't any uh bridge crosses, there was nothing but the 00:21:37.670 --> 00:21:43.986 street, car crash, the wooden trestle, yeah, wooden trestle. And that's 00:21:44.019 --> 00:21:47.436 the only way you get across there with the add boards down to the middle 00:21:47.469 --> 00:21:52.746 of it. So easy walking this way, people walk back and forth. But uh the 00:21:52.779 --> 00:21:57.147 sounds of that canal, it was built up, uh just about solid over the 00:21:57.180 --> 00:22:03.276 Central Avenue and between Third Street and Central Avenue and clear down 00:22:03.309 --> 00:22:10.496 to Ausburn Ro road in the old Ausburn school there. And on the other side 00:22:10.529 --> 00:22:15.627 to the north of Clarendon, it was built up pretty well. Uh from Third 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:23.496 Street to Seventh Street. And, uh, on north to in school road, 00:22:23.529 --> 00:22:27.045 when did they, uh, when did they finally pave that through? So that you 00:22:27.078 --> 00:22:32.717 didn't have that bridge anymore? And, uh, and that was, uh, I mean, was 00:22:32.750 --> 00:22:38.137 that when, when they paved the whole street? Uh, no, they, they put in a 00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:46.170 bridge there long before the, that was put in the, uh, oh, 00:22:52.809 --> 00:22:57.226 29 maybe in the thirties. But they didn't do anything in the thirties. 00:22:57.259 --> 00:23:01.055 Everybody be forced to do anything. So that, that the street car line out 00:23:01.088 --> 00:23:06.717 there in the thirties was still pretty much uh on private runway. No, when 00:23:06.750 --> 00:23:12.416 the city brought it over, uh, it was, uh, yeah, I don't know where the 00:23:12.449 --> 00:23:15.996 status was. Oh, yeah, they own the tracks. Yeah. But the tracks were by 00:23:16.029 --> 00:23:19.406 themselves, weren't they out in the middle of the road? Yeah. No, they 00:23:19.439 --> 00:23:25.666 were on the, uh, out there. It was only 00:23:25.699 --> 00:23:31.916 uh west side of the road after you got, you got, you, uh, the double track 00:23:31.949 --> 00:23:37.585 went to Clarendon and then there was a, a single track from there on out. 00:23:37.618 --> 00:23:43.835 It took the west track, took the west side and that, so we went on up 00:23:43.868 --> 00:23:48.446 there and I remember there used to be, we stopped right beside it and take 00:23:48.479 --> 00:23:56.137 it and uh there used to be China berry trees along there uh on the, and 00:23:56.170 --> 00:24:00.217 between it and the pan package store 00:24:00.250 --> 00:24:08.250 and uh it is kind of a um holy look place, you know, it's like a small 00:24:08.779 --> 00:24:15.127 town out there. It reminded me, uh, you know, the neighborhood out there 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:20.315 they had business, uh, business blocks there from third Street on down, I 00:24:20.348 --> 00:24:24.717 guess most of the second street they had a hardware store in there and 00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:29.206 everything. Uh, because people, 00:24:29.239 --> 00:24:35.535 oh, yeah, it was just a little shop that around there and like, yeah, they 00:24:35.568 --> 00:24:40.016 didn't have many in those days. Most people downtown, I guess when I must 00:24:40.049 --> 00:24:43.696 have been five or six years old, my grandfather took me out there several 00:24:43.729 --> 00:24:48.397 times just for a ride. We thought we'd have a Coke or something in the 00:24:48.430 --> 00:24:52.867 drugstore out there. I don't remember that as well as you would. But I, I 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:58.295 have the, I have kind of an impression about by the Indian school, the car 00:24:58.328 --> 00:25:02.535 track, sort of being on the west side of the road and kind of under trees. 00:25:02.568 --> 00:25:08.256 Like, yeah. But, uh, did you ever run the old kennel work line much at 00:25:08.289 --> 00:25:15.555 all? Yeah, it, did you run it before they rebuild it? Um, I never did sign 00:25:15.588 --> 00:25:20.776 over there when they, uh, had it back on the old, uh, where it was to see 00:25:20.809 --> 00:25:25.006 it went to 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:33.039 mcdowell to LA and then it, then it went over to 3rd 3rd Street. Yeah. But 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.756 I, I broke in when it was out there, the fellow broke in me in, on that 00:25:37.789 --> 00:25:45.085 line. He's the first one with, he's still living and ho and so I can 00:25:45.118 --> 00:25:50.006 remember that, uh, very well. 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.387 And then they straightened it out when they rebuilt it and they just 00:25:54.420 --> 00:26:00.946 straight north up to, and then, and then people over there didn't like it. 00:26:00.979 --> 00:26:07.276 What the, who did? And, um, second to your 3rd, 3rd street. Yes. To a 00:26:07.309 --> 00:26:14.627 third avenue. You have to walk over. Yeah. And of course, uh, no city. 00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:22.045 Most everybody, most everybody out there near move that the running. Then 00:26:22.078 --> 00:26:24.236 , uh, 00:26:24.269 --> 00:26:27.256 another impression that I have, whether it's really true or not about that. 00:26:27.289 --> 00:26:31.555 Same time. Every Saturday my grandfather used to take me for a ride in 00:26:31.588 --> 00:26:35.986 the street. We go downtown and we'd go out more of the lines. And, uh, it 00:26:36.019 --> 00:26:39.565 seemed to me like at the end of the, of the Kenilworth Line, it kind of 00:26:39.598 --> 00:26:43.045 stopped under some cottonwood trees, you know. Yeah, it was, yeah, the 00:26:43.078 --> 00:26:50.377 older line, the older one before my time. Yeah. Well, the later when it 00:26:50.410 --> 00:26:58.410 stopped at the can Boulevard Can now. And, and, uh, that was, it, it was, 00:26:58.598 --> 00:27:03.936 no, it was just a barrel around. Yeah. 00:27:03.969 --> 00:27:09.416 Did you ever work on, on the, uh, extension of east of, on the Washington 00:27:09.449 --> 00:27:17.449 Street line after I broke in there? That was all, you know, 00:27:19.269 --> 00:27:22.637 I found a deal in the company record where they were telling me, I forget 00:27:22.670 --> 00:27:27.585 when it was, it must have been 1920 or there about. And they were giving 00:27:27.618 --> 00:27:32.075 the, the motorman all kinds of promotions saying when you leave the car, 00:27:32.108 --> 00:27:35.055 apparently they leave the car out there someplace when they weren't using 00:27:35.088 --> 00:27:38.325 it, they leave it out there. He said, well, when you do that, he said 00:27:38.358 --> 00:27:43.035 you're gonna have to find a better place to hide the controller because a 00:27:43.068 --> 00:27:47.085 bunch of young boys are not in regard to their own safety or without any 00:27:47.118 --> 00:27:50.496 parental guidance or getting on that car and driving it back and forth on 00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:52.825 the line. 00:27:52.858 --> 00:28:00.858 Well, yeah, I can remember they used to, uh, sometimes, uh, that have, uh 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:09.446 , he parking, uh, and then he picked the, 00:28:09.479 --> 00:28:13.416 that washed into the car and I can remember that. I had forgotten all 00:28:13.449 --> 00:28:18.456 about that. They had little old. Number 14. It was a little old single 00:28:18.489 --> 00:28:23.607 truck car that they used to use out there. Yeah, by that time I, I, I've 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.877 got, I don't have a picture of that with me but I've got a, saw a picture 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:31.147 of it. It was, uh, apparently it had been completely open originally, you 00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:35.246 know, cross seats and then running boards and they rebuilt it and closed 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.906 in the middle. But that was a different one. That was a different one. 00:28:38.939 --> 00:28:43.406 Yeah, that little old, uh, 14. I'm thinking about it. The single trucks 00:28:43.439 --> 00:28:48.026 and it had f down the side and I don't know whether the ends are supposed 00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:53.857 to end or not. But anyway, I remember about that but, uh, it had a line up 00:28:53.890 --> 00:28:57.166 a wheel that break. 00:28:57.199 --> 00:29:04.075 And I never did operate that thing that you got and there was a dog, you 00:29:04.108 --> 00:29:11.416 know, that, uh, held the, uh, 00:29:11.449 --> 00:29:15.706 uh, who use the, 00:29:15.739 --> 00:29:21.967 see, and that thing worked anyway, you had a wheel wheel there that had 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.656 the notches in it and this dog fit in those, I think, to release that 00:29:26.689 --> 00:29:32.967 break, you kicked the thing. Yeah, that's where it went. It, it, it turned 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:39.867 the shaft that, uh, went down through the floor and, uh, then this, uh, 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:45.065 this car wheel was down there just above the floor and then this dog was 00:29:45.098 --> 00:29:50.736 beside it here in the, that would hold a brake on. See, and when you want 00:29:50.769 --> 00:29:54.867 to release it while you kick that with your foot, kick the other end and 00:29:54.900 --> 00:30:01.397 then throw the dog out, release that. Yeah. And I imagine you have to, uh 00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:06.696 , do a little of it with your hand too on the break, 00:30:06.729 --> 00:30:13.085 but they only five points on the controller and it wouldn't go, uh, go 00:30:13.118 --> 00:30:20.795 about a dog trot as fast as go. It was probably a very, very old one. 00:30:20.828 --> 00:30:24.526 well, uh, Sam Hodges said one time they had a bunch of those, those little 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:30.467 old cars, they got rid of them. They always had used the cars except doing 00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:38.500 the old company only. But, uh, four cars new, you know, I got 40 41 42 and 00:30:39.479 --> 00:30:44.766 43 and I know them all, I can tell you all about them, just exactly which 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:51.055 one's best and which the, uh, um, 00:30:51.088 --> 00:30:54.666 and the ins and outs about them, what's wrong with them and what's their 00:30:54.699 --> 00:30:59.666 advantages? But they kept, they kept, they kept those right up to the, uh 00:30:59.699 --> 00:31:05.717 , even the city used those new car. They closed those things. They closed 00:31:05.750 --> 00:31:13.696 one in 50 uh, the front and the front vestibule and they used that on the 00:31:13.729 --> 00:31:19.506 K one at night, Uh, 00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:24.926 and they used the other, they used the 47 Grand Avenue and the other two 00:31:24.959 --> 00:31:32.959 and they had a spare 41. 40 uh, 2, 43 used to be the sparrow. 43 was low 00:31:34.750 --> 00:31:42.750 on one side of lopsided. And the thing, uh, yeah, you couldn't beat it up 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.217 very fast and take off or not be over. They had an overhead switch. I know 00:31:48.250 --> 00:31:55.736 you had to, uh, the thing would kick and a heck of a noise. Some of them, 00:31:55.769 --> 00:31:59.246 sometimes the firefly, the thing you'd have, you just there and whack the 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:05.887 thing back in and then you could feed it up and then it didn't break good 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:10.756 either. But they have, they didn't have air brakes and whistles. I know. 00:32:10.789 --> 00:32:14.545 So, yeah. Well, they didn't, uh, they took the whistles off of them. The 00:32:14.578 --> 00:32:20.276 only thing that they had the whistle on was only 33. That was a, uh, there 00:32:20.309 --> 00:32:25.016 was no other one like it. I made a whole number one and 33 were different. 00:32:25.049 --> 00:32:29.236 Maybe the rest of them. A 33 is one that I don't have a picture of, but I 00:32:29.269 --> 00:32:34.176 got a picture. I got a picture of it. Let's see. Now, I don't know what 00:32:34.209 --> 00:32:39.266 this thing that, 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:46.607 and the people who was in it there, go her again. I'll be darned. 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:53.035 No. And here's go. Number one. 00:32:53.068 --> 00:32:57.367 Mhm. 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:02.847 Now, that was supposed to be the phone number one, is that the fact one? 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:08.897 Yeah, you got a better collection of pictures, I think than I do. 00:33:08.930 --> 00:33:12.496 Well, these, uh, 00:33:12.529 --> 00:33:15.726 that, 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.016 that Bill Scott and he's still there. 00:33:20.049 --> 00:33:27.137 This is a, you know, these kids waiting around there for their paychecks 00:33:27.170 --> 00:33:33.006 and they wasn't too, they just proposing for picture. Uh, nobody had any 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:37.506 money to pay, they let them out. So, these are some of the different 00:33:37.539 --> 00:33:42.847 places and this one was a good, yeah, now that, uh, that was, uh, that was 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:47.535 one of the brand new ones. But now they came with, what color were these 00:33:47.568 --> 00:33:52.367 things when they came with? They were orange, a dark orange, deep red, 00:33:52.400 --> 00:34:00.400 almost red, almost red. What was this color? That was a yellow, yellow. 00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:05.397 They were pretty huge. Now, they had these old cars, they kept those old 00:34:05.430 --> 00:34:10.026 cars out behind the car barn for a long, long time. Here's a bunch of 00:34:10.059 --> 00:34:15.626 adjusters out there. There's old rails and there, and there's old cars 00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:20.615 there and that was what they used to. 00:34:20.648 --> 00:34:25.845 I know. No. Well, they sometimes use it. Yeah, they kept the team there 00:34:25.878 --> 00:34:31.727 when I first went to work and they, uh, I was working on the line with the 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:39.760 line wagon and because I remember it and Larry was a, so next to no handle. 00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:50.717 Yeah, they tell Larry to get the, the, and, and it just, it, you know, 00:34:50.750 --> 00:34:55.885 the wagon and the go some place and, and I've seen a picture of this 33 00:34:55.918 --> 00:35:03.517 but it was an older picture and it had opens on at that time. 00:35:03.550 --> 00:35:08.046 What a minute is just you starting back here. And I like, no, I've got the 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.026 , they just happen to be, oh, they just happen to be there. Ok. I think 00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:15.017 you do. 00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:19.327 Yeah, very true. Vicky. 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:27.360 And this fellow was, uh, international man in Salt Lake City. 00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:36.925 I remember this one is really, these are, this is especially interesting. 00:35:36.958 --> 00:35:40.537 That's the way they collect the plays 00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:48.570 that he had a rope on her own. Yeah. An er, or what? Yeah. And I got a 00:35:49.070 --> 00:35:55.336 picture of it. So, yeah, let me see. 00:35:55.369 --> 00:36:02.586 I got a picture number one too. It's not that, uh, what, 00:36:02.619 --> 00:36:06.456 seven, 00:36:06.489 --> 00:36:10.865 you can hardly make out the number. Mhm. 00:36:10.898 --> 00:36:16.896 Ok. The idea is that, that was that even though I never guess that I must 00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:22.706 , must have been, uh, here one of the forties. I don't know which one. 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:29.086 Yeah. And here's a long shot of one after was down the bottom ruined and 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:33.977 sitting out in the backyard. 00:36:34.010 --> 00:36:39.037 Uh, that was, that was one of the only summer cars we knew. So that, well 00:36:39.070 --> 00:36:43.396 , that was good, 00:36:43.429 --> 00:36:50.126 you know, that to make it out for. 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:54.195 But whether that was, uh, see that really isn't the photograph, uh, where 00:36:54.228 --> 00:37:01.997 it is, it's been touched up. And so you see the trolley pool. No. Well, 00:37:02.030 --> 00:37:05.206 that probably 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.896 come back here. Let me, let me start back here and show you some of these 00:37:08.929 --> 00:37:12.626 , some of these and I'm, I'm, I don't lose those. I wanna take a look at 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:17.736 those. This is not the, uh, that's a horse car. I don't know. Maybe I've 00:37:17.769 --> 00:37:25.769 got a picture of that. That's, uh, there's a horse car picture. What I got 00:37:26.019 --> 00:37:29.206 me here enough. 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:34.675 Ok. That was a picture that they put on the front of the invitation to 00:37:34.708 --> 00:37:41.666 ride in the last street car. That same picture in which wasn't the last. 00:37:41.699 --> 00:37:48.747 So I have to find a bit to operate and how we get to that. 00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:52.646 I mean, they didn't, they operated after they had the big ceremony. I 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.267 operated the last day. Oh, yeah, about a week or 10 days. Hm. I didn't 00:37:57.300 --> 00:38:05.300 know that. Yeah, there you can have that. Don, 00:38:07.789 --> 00:38:11.115 what in the world would that have been? That picture been taken? Well, 00:38:11.148 --> 00:38:16.856 that was taken at the, uh, Second Avenue in Washington. And you remember 00:38:16.889 --> 00:38:22.166 the old drug store? Yeah, I'll be there. I mean, make yourself room so you 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:27.385 can sit in, uh, and that one. 00:38:27.418 --> 00:38:33.736 Yeah, that was, uh, oh, we were fooling around down there and, uh, waiting 00:38:33.769 --> 00:38:39.787 for a paycheck and, uh, and they just cutting up the guy climbing up on 00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:42.816 top there 00:38:42.849 --> 00:38:50.849 and that's why I look black enough. Oh, do you guys know? 00:38:51.809 --> 00:38:54.646 And here you got two in a row. One with the new color and one with the old 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:59.635 , um, and I wonder where that would have been? Was it an end of the line? 00:38:59.668 --> 00:39:05.006 Because there's a little light up there that like Indian school? I think 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.365 that, 00:39:07.398 --> 00:39:11.467 yeah, but they must have just repined. Yeah. But this is still orange. 00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:15.006 That's a little orange color. That, oh, they changed colors? The terrible 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:22.267 , that's cut. I cut that thing. I allowed him out this Dan the bulldog. 00:39:22.300 --> 00:39:26.977 He's know that Vaudeville Super. 00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:31.845 And there's, there's one that shows the old break. Yeah, that was a good 00:39:31.878 --> 00:39:39.006 guy. Hm. That's good. That's a good picture and very good. Now some of 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.945 these darn things are enclosed. I know like on the far end of it they have 00:39:43.978 --> 00:39:47.217 the, the door in the middle. Some of them have the steps here and some of 00:39:47.250 --> 00:39:51.336 them have the steps up there and I'm sure, well, some of them have steps 00:39:51.369 --> 00:39:55.486 on both sides. Yeah. 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:59.807 Yeah, I look for change, man. You know 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:07.695 that, uh, 00:40:07.728 --> 00:40:13.537 yeah, that's it. 00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:18.436 You thought about the high steps, uh, that the 00:40:18.469 --> 00:40:25.497 orange? Yeah. What happened to this one? Number one? 08 Well, I was, uh, 00:40:25.530 --> 00:40:28.546 uh, 00:40:28.579 --> 00:40:35.467 shortly after we got those cards when I, uh, yeah, the Super n, no one 00:40:35.500 --> 00:40:40.405 lets me know these two run together. That's it. 132 00:40:40.438 --> 00:40:48.438 right out there in, uh, at 13 we had a cross over there and, uh, uh, this 00:40:49.349 --> 00:40:51.537 one here, 00:40:51.570 --> 00:40:57.787 I was going into the yard. He had to cross over from, uh, this, uh, east 00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:02.896 bound track over in here, take the track in, you know, and will take the 00:41:02.929 --> 00:41:10.115 lead track off into the yard. Well, this one was a westbound and the last 00:41:10.148 --> 00:41:14.896 day while he was doing the fire in the evening and he had pack flow, he 00:41:14.929 --> 00:41:22.095 just picked him up in 16th Street down there. So, and, uh, he didn't see 00:41:22.128 --> 00:41:27.336 the switch and switched to, somebody had left the switch open and he just 00:41:27.369 --> 00:41:32.497 , uh, went right across me into that one. What car was that? What number 00:41:32.530 --> 00:41:38.905 was that? There's a gold 33? Oh, that's like, like rebuild. Oh, yeah. Ok. 00:41:38.938 --> 00:41:42.925 And that's what 108? 00:41:42.958 --> 00:41:48.376 Did they rebuild that one? 01 of these things, you know, they bought 18 00:41:48.409 --> 00:41:51.986 and in later years they were only 17, 1 of them, something must have 00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:57.936 happened. Well, for some reason they sold one of them to some guy out to, 00:41:57.969 --> 00:42:05.836 on Van Buren street, way out there. And, uh, he used it for a diner or 00:42:05.869 --> 00:42:10.896 something. Kind of the new one. No. Yeah, one of those, uh, one of 18. And 00:42:10.929 --> 00:42:18.929 the, and that was about, uh, 1940 41 sometime along there. Uh, because I 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:26.787 was, uh, I was just saying, but at that time I think, sold for $500 and 00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:30.276 then they tried to buy it back from him 00:42:30.309 --> 00:42:35.796 after three years. I think the Hoy one, 00:42:35.829 --> 00:42:40.247 they make $1000. I wonder why they sold it. I don't know. It, just a bunch 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:47.345 of food. They, they go on the buses and it's the, that cannibalized. Maybe 00:42:47.378 --> 00:42:52.856 it and decided to get rid of it. 00:42:52.889 --> 00:42:56.756 Yeah, 00:42:56.789 --> 00:43:00.546 this is George. 00:43:00.579 --> 00:43:05.155 Appreciate that. 00:43:05.188 --> 00:43:12.095 Hm. And slogans. All of them. This is, this is a very nice thing out front 00:43:12.128 --> 00:43:17.057 there. I like that. Yeah, a window down and open, I guess. These are all 00:43:17.090 --> 00:43:24.449 picture of p and there and there is this one, this one up here on the one. 00:43:25.128 --> 00:43:27.128 Yeah. 00:43:28.789 --> 00:43:33.236 Yeah, I brought some, uh, I have a, a bunch of extra ones of some that I 00:43:33.269 --> 00:43:37.537 have, which are later years I thought you might like to have because 00:43:37.570 --> 00:43:45.570 they're a couple that's a full sale. 00:43:47.929 --> 00:43:50.526 I don't know why they changed the numbers around. They changed them 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:58.559 different things. Uh, the, the numbers and why I often wonder. 00:43:59.110 --> 00:44:06.727 She's not a 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:14.760 really, 00:44:15.688 --> 00:44:19.345 there was a fellow camp who owns a radio station at a place called Kane 00:44:19.378 --> 00:44:21.416 California 00:44:21.449 --> 00:44:25.945 and there's a railroad above and he took these pictures earlier time in 00:44:25.978 --> 00:44:28.456 1947. 00:44:28.489 --> 00:44:32.655 Yeah, it's lot, lot. 00:44:32.688 --> 00:44:36.227 Hm. 00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:39.767 You have those because I got, 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:45.166 yeah, I got, uh, in, uh, 47. That's when they, uh, they'd already taken 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.916 off the grill line that they had got. There we go. Then they, uh, she had 00:44:49.949 --> 00:44:57.949 a fire down there. Yeah. And, uh, they had seven cars left. Think what? 00:44:58.809 --> 00:45:04.885 And, uh, they, we fired them out in the open and move them on Washington 00:45:04.918 --> 00:45:09.646 Street. I was working on Washington Street the time at the time of the 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:16.956 fire. I think so. But I, I worked on after work anyway. And, and they, 00:45:16.989 --> 00:45:24.989 they had one, a lead. I for that wasn't great then. Yeah. 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:34.280 And uh, he had to be in danger. I don't know now because it's narrow gauge. 00:45:34.539 --> 00:45:42.467 There was a, you know, they had to narrow the railroad above me. 00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:49.717 So it's San Francisco 00:45:49.750 --> 00:45:52.316 baby. 00:45:52.349 --> 00:45:58.865 Mm. Jumped back in the yard there. They had one old car, 121. I'd like to 00:45:58.898 --> 00:46:03.807 have a picture of that. That was like to have a picture of it. I got it. 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:10.309 Uh, it, it was two splash together. That's what they used on Glendale. 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:12.360 Matter of fact, there it is, it had a, 00:46:14.809 --> 00:46:17.977 yeah, I know. 00:46:18.010 --> 00:46:23.287 Uh, well, now that was the, used to be in the middle there. There was a 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.595 safe and uh 00:46:26.628 --> 00:46:34.307 yeah, apparatus that went with it. The saw little office in there. The uh 00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:38.557 the guy that says the conductor on that 00:46:38.590 --> 00:46:45.166 one day when he was a Wells Fargo agent. 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.307 They, uh, 00:46:48.340 --> 00:46:53.865 and they kept all kinds of stuff. I didn't know they did. Um, you said 00:46:53.898 --> 00:46:58.836 down to, uh, uh, money from one bank to another. You know, when you 00:46:58.869 --> 00:47:03.916 compare it though, you take this, here's a picture of 1890 the old Bery 00:47:03.949 --> 00:47:10.526 hillbilly and this car here which is closed, park and open path. If you 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.405 count all the windows and when you look at the, you know, the trucks and 00:47:14.438 --> 00:47:19.316 the understructure and so forth, it looks very much like this is the same 00:47:19.349 --> 00:47:24.615 model car. Simply. 00:47:24.648 --> 00:47:30.706 No, 00:47:30.739 --> 00:47:35.267 let me start at the beginning. 00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:41.256 That, that's a horse car picture. And it was an Editori, I remember seeing 00:47:41.289 --> 00:47:47.526 that picture now. Uh um I guess in the paper I, I got over that little 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:53.566 paper, ma got lot pictures. They got a bunch of old stuff with the, this 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.646 is a family in the back of a horse car. 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.365 Oh, yeah. 00:48:00.398 --> 00:48:05.916 Yeah, that was quite the thing in front. And uh I mean, 10 years is one of 00:48:05.949 --> 00:48:13.227 the old four car. Yeah. So summer car you call it. They had a running boy 00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:18.046 out here, the guy, the uh conductor went down that running board and came 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:23.856 there and collected the thing there. And that's um like Washington First 00:48:23.889 --> 00:48:28.767 Street. 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.077 Yeah, 00:48:32.110 --> 00:48:38.425 it shows that people gonna catch a car 00:48:38.458 --> 00:48:43.717 and this is a, this is a creative statehood is what it really is. But I 00:48:43.750 --> 00:48:46.945 trolley car back here, which is why I would like to go to a hotel. And no 00:48:46.978 --> 00:48:53.365 , that's no way he'll do anything. Oh, yeah, she was always we, yeah. 00:48:53.398 --> 00:48:57.316 Uh, the Towers over here, they, there and this one I was kind of 00:48:57.349 --> 00:49:02.865 interested because this is an closed one. But it's a real small. So that 00:49:02.898 --> 00:49:09.436 was, uh, on first street just north of the Washington. See, at that time, 00:49:09.469 --> 00:49:12.936 the old brail used to go up that way. Well, here's another, another 00:49:12.969 --> 00:49:15.077 picture. 00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:23.110 See, here you got one that's open. This is closed. 00:49:26.019 --> 00:49:30.747 Weren't you start after wall paper behind that was before I was in the 00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:36.436 door, I thought. Yeah. 00:49:36.469 --> 00:49:43.526 Or you gonna make sense. Here's, here's the courthouse. 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.646 Um, 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:50.037 there's a weird thing. It must have been a, this isn't a very good picture 00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:54.425 but, uh, you show something, of course some of these get, some of these 00:49:54.458 --> 00:49:57.997 get blurred a little bit when they blew them up. This is taken off of a 00:49:58.030 --> 00:50:03.807 postcard of all things. The colored postcard. Mhm. 00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:11.655 Frank you or like that at the old railroad station 00:50:11.688 --> 00:50:16.686 and this is one that Bill Scott had 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:24.719 old man. Yeah, I, I be, be here some place now. That was Sherman. Yeah, I 00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:33.139 never did see if they came here and he gave the, uh, but they all have the 00:50:35.628 --> 00:50:41.236 old car general she in the call. So he gave the land to that capital 00:50:41.269 --> 00:50:49.269 building and he also gave the land for a depot at six points. Hm. The and 00:50:52.628 --> 00:51:00.385 uh he run the station there, he had a line on that there and uh be 00:51:00.418 --> 00:51:05.675 so they, they took it and that program, they just a little uh I don't know 00:51:05.708 --> 00:51:13.708 if you a fan or not, they call it mo you know, for uh yeah, and uh uh they 00:51:16.449 --> 00:51:20.365 put it there, they got the land to eat. 00:51:20.398 --> 00:51:28.146 What the fuck is that? Yeah, he was 28 when he gave uh well, that whole uh 00:51:28.179 --> 00:51:32.695 Capital Brown there was a picture 00:51:32.728 --> 00:51:40.728 that uh that was uh they had a couple of those made. I said we that yeah, 00:51:41.688 --> 00:51:49.688 that you live them so good because he the one again the picture. Yeah, the 00:51:51.250 --> 00:51:57.497 that was one that they had made. Uh I took the, she make the chassis and 00:51:57.530 --> 00:52:02.217 had to be Alison builds the body 00:52:02.250 --> 00:52:09.356 and they build on truck. They had two of them from 83. Here's an old 00:52:09.389 --> 00:52:16.175 picture of the car park. Yeah, I'm sure 00:52:16.208 --> 00:52:21.727 I see first 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:26.546 Herman Thompson, those guys and they worked together. 00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:31.267 This was a very bad picture but it's, it was under the tree uh at uh East 00:52:31.300 --> 00:52:34.885 Lake Park. 00:52:34.918 --> 00:52:41.077 There was another woman, Scott. 00:52:41.110 --> 00:52:49.110 You broke me in on the brill two more. I do. No, let's see. 00:52:52.099 --> 00:52:59.247 Very good in a week I think my 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.256 mhm 00:53:03.289 --> 00:53:10.497 I mean I know that. 00:53:10.530 --> 00:53:13.635 34. 00:53:13.668 --> 00:53:21.668 Yeah. The City Oregon. Yeah. Uh I wanna make sure you do that. This is the 00:53:21.739 --> 00:53:27.327 one up at school. You know the old team to take it out. 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:35.360 That was like a little shitty about it. 40 years. 24. 24. 00:53:35.389 --> 00:53:40.436 She's back side. 00:53:40.469 --> 00:53:43.416 Yeah. The gold line car. 00:53:43.449 --> 00:53:51.449 I know that picture of that right here. Something we know that. 00:53:54.378 --> 00:53:58.356 What, uh, this is just a street decision with no particular car but this 00:53:58.389 --> 00:54:02.566 is the plumbing of the courthouse is here. How this, the tracks going up 00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:06.997 down there? There used to be a line that went down there. Was that at any 00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:14.836 time during your time? No, the tracks were right. Yeah, 00:54:14.869 --> 00:54:22.869 it's one. Yeah. What color did they paint? They yellow, yellow were the 00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:27.615 cars generally yellow when you first went to work there? Yeah, they were 00:54:27.648 --> 00:54:32.376 yellow but they, they hadn't been painted and god knows when. And they, 00:54:32.409 --> 00:54:40.409 they had those, that, uh, signs all over, you know, slogans, uh, uh, at 00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:49.320 the life for best careless auto drivers almost with it. Be careful if they 00:54:49.369 --> 00:54:55.557 care. And the stuff like that 96 00:54:55.590 --> 00:55:03.175 auto cost you, uh, 10 cents a mile, a three mile ride for five cents. 00:55:03.208 --> 00:55:11.208 That's it will. 00:55:15.139 --> 00:55:21.155 Uh, they had those old gadgets before I went to work. 00:55:21.188 --> 00:55:29.188 Battle in. Sorry. And the center is the, uh, should not open. I got a 00:55:30.228 --> 00:55:33.456 couple of them. 00:55:33.489 --> 00:55:41.115 I had one but I've had one of the old ones. Yeah, I have the, 00:55:41.148 --> 00:55:48.256 and when I went to work they had any issues for me that is to, to repeat 00:55:48.289 --> 00:55:53.586 you know, it just go to me a little tiny round. No, they had a, the 00:55:53.619 --> 00:55:59.436 plastic, uh, the same shape about that 00:55:59.469 --> 00:56:02.655 50. 00:56:02.688 --> 00:56:10.688 Remember? And to the trip around the top and uh, 10 years had more than 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:21.320 we got them up there. So, and then for m even were conducted. Yeah, 20 00:56:23.179 --> 00:56:27.706 3400 and 34. Another, 00:56:27.739 --> 00:56:33.827 the original numbers. But then that's been paid. You must be back the 00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:36.986 original number too. 00:56:37.019 --> 00:56:40.626 Yeah, thanks, thanks. Well, now I know you had one in there. That one 00:56:40.659 --> 00:56:45.945 picture said one away on. What did they do in one room? Yeah, they started 00:56:45.978 --> 00:56:52.646 with the 101 100 was the oh, and then the 2468, 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.066 1012. 00:56:57.099 --> 00:57:01.095 Yeah. Uh 00:57:01.128 --> 00:57:04.155 and see what? Yeah, 00:57:04.188 --> 00:57:10.756 and we went up to 3032. Is that right? I think that's about right. 3434 00:57:10.789 --> 00:57:16.307 I guess. So they take every, even though even when we're starting with 100 00:57:16.340 --> 00:57:21.566 then the next, it would be 102 and 106 and so forth. That's not by where? 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.695 At least 00:57:23.728 --> 00:57:29.615 that at 42nd in the, 00:57:29.648 --> 00:57:33.626 this one's got an interesting thing down here. Was this color? Was this 00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:41.659 just all orange or this? Well, I don't remember they had a uh 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:47.977 different colors and one time they had a, what they call a sea form, green 00:57:48.010 --> 00:57:54.756 and desert cream that and then they have the 00:57:54.789 --> 00:57:59.557 side to the head. So 00:57:59.590 --> 00:58:01.717 ornamental. 00:58:01.750 --> 00:58:03.856 Design. 00:58:03.889 --> 00:58:11.889 Well, because you mean, like those, these slashes of green color. No, 00:58:12.349 --> 00:58:15.497 see, 00:58:15.530 --> 00:58:21.287 probably, I, I've got the junk, uh, 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.586 scattered around 00:58:24.619 --> 00:58:30.106 that, that it take me on later or maybe morning today. I don't have to, 00:58:30.139 --> 00:58:36.396 you know, this one's got a, uh, these have got some wheel cover. Yeah, I 00:58:36.429 --> 00:58:39.977 was trying to deaden the sound, 00:58:40.010 --> 00:58:47.316 put those on there and they, uh, they had the inside the sprayed guitar, 00:58:47.349 --> 00:58:53.336 you know, I had the sound but it had quite a bit. They claimed that they 00:58:53.369 --> 00:58:59.086 kept making over and your own. 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:03.586 So they, they only try it on one car or? Yeah, that's what they used to do. 00:59:03.619 --> 00:59:09.345 They just did experiment one card. That would be, that would be, did they 00:59:09.378 --> 00:59:13.836 do many strange experiments like that? 00:59:13.869 --> 00:59:20.566 Uh, well, there was a guy in the house, uh, I don't know what you more, 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:27.655 nothing to eat. He was, uh, a superintendent during the depression there. 00:59:27.688 --> 00:59:35.456 Uh, got great with that. The city manager but the manager as well, you see 00:59:35.489 --> 00:59:43.037 , engineering city, they get me back and forth and, uh, uh, uh, he was, uh 00:59:43.070 --> 00:59:51.070 , oh, and they were out to can as many as they could. So, they started 00:59:51.168 --> 00:59:58.477 experimenting with a, and then they had the, 00:59:58.510 --> 01:00:06.510 yeah, put hard brake shoes on. Uh, the idea was that he said was to try to 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:14.086 cut down on some careful, uh, try to cut down on the consumption of a 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:20.936 little bit of a break. Shoes. And, uh, he said, well, since I, uh, texted 01:00:20.969 --> 01:00:28.969 the hardness of it we knew and I made the, made, had shoes made 10% uh, 01:00:29.250 --> 01:00:36.405 soft. Well, uh, you know what, uh, the hard, the hard shoe on a hard wheel 01:00:36.438 --> 01:00:43.666 would do, it would make a glaze, the polish or high polish with no be, it 01:00:43.699 --> 01:00:49.816 wouldn't grip. And of course, the hot that way, of course it was. 01:00:49.849 --> 01:00:57.849 Uh, and then they build up some wheels, uh, bigger wheels. Uh, and, uh, 01:01:00.418 --> 01:01:05.557 so, uh, fellow didn't have much chance. He didn't know and stopping those 01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:12.736 d it wouldn't break like shit. And then they, they experimented with the 01:01:12.769 --> 01:01:15.477 middle bridge. 01:01:15.510 --> 01:01:23.155 Um And so meantime, we got organized and, uh, that came up with the union 01:01:23.188 --> 01:01:28.316 meeting one time, what was going on. And so I happened to think and I said 01:01:28.349 --> 01:01:34.037 , well, uh, you know, those bricks, the City of Phoenix doesn't own those 01:01:34.070 --> 01:01:42.070 brakes on those cars. Westinghouse brake system owns them and that, uh, I 01:01:42.219 --> 01:01:46.606 think that they should be notified is what's going on. You could be 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:52.686 interested to know. Well, it was get back home there about, like, 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:58.655 afterwards in Westinghouse. Yeah. You know, probably just as well. Did 01:01:58.688 --> 01:02:05.747 they ever try any kind of bells? The unusual bells or wood bells or they 01:02:05.780 --> 01:02:12.816 have there, uh, bell at one time? That thing would, uh, I mean, it raise 01:02:12.849 --> 01:02:15.336 your 01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:20.905 tear up the way that thing was cut loose. Did that? How did you work? How 01:02:20.938 --> 01:02:24.086 did you work that? What was that like? Oh, you just press the button on 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:28.365 your foot and then it came off, kind of a constant ringing bell. Yeah. 01:02:28.398 --> 01:02:31.776 There, there was a plunger that hit the bell, you know? But, uh, I don't 01:02:31.809 --> 01:02:37.227 know how many oscillations a second it made but it was pretty fast and 01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:42.316 that thing was loud and, you know, I remember, I remember as a kid, I 01:02:42.349 --> 01:02:46.296 remember as a kid, something about something like that. But then they had 01:02:46.329 --> 01:02:54.329 , they had those uh ratchet, uh, type, uh, that, uh, 01:02:55.340 --> 01:03:00.276 uh there was a, 01:03:00.309 --> 01:03:05.327 uh sort of a queen inside the, the uh gong. 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:13.206 And they were, uh, well, it worked like a governor uh, as it's spawn. Well 01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:19.195 , the, there was uh queens in there that were loose that would come out 01:03:19.228 --> 01:03:24.456 and strike it, strike the uh uh gong. Well, there's a, there's a 01:03:24.489 --> 01:03:29.577 projection on the gong that it would, it would strike and it was about, uh 01:03:29.610 --> 01:03:33.217 , uh, I don't know whether it's two of them. Yeah, I think it's two of 01:03:33.250 --> 01:03:39.767 them who have gone, uh, this cross speech went across. So I need, uh, uh, 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:44.896 the wheels were on the end of it. They were solid and they had to lose the 01:03:44.929 --> 01:03:50.865 , well, the, the hole, the hole was great big so that they could slide 01:03:50.898 --> 01:03:55.717 back and forth and there's uh, they sent some difficult forces told them 01:03:55.750 --> 01:04:02.477 to the outside and they ring up. But, uh, they were operated by, uh, pedal 01:04:02.510 --> 01:04:07.619 that well, it was a p, the long here.