WEBVTT 00:00:03.289 --> 00:00:05.289 This will be a recording with Mr Sam Hodges, a retired Phoenix street 00:00:09.909 --> 00:00:16.035 railway motorman, conductor and employee who went to work for the railway 00:00:16.068 --> 00:00:19.326 system in 1913, 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:25.265 worked with the system until the first world war when he joined the army. 00:00:25.298 --> 00:00:32.585 And then um he came back from the army. When he came back from the army, 00:00:32.618 --> 00:00:38.315 he went to Oklahoma City and then ultimately returned to Phoenix in 1922 00:00:38.348 --> 00:00:43.356 or thereabouts. And once again took up driving the street cars in the city 00:00:43.389 --> 00:00:49.597 of Phoenix where he did so. And 00:00:49.630 --> 00:00:54.265 until the last car ran in 1948 he ran one of the last cars back down 00:00:54.298 --> 00:01:01.015 Washington Street during the last run ceremonies around their tickets to 00:01:01.048 --> 00:01:08.206 Glendale. There we go. 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:12.605 I was curious as to how you use them. In other words, you punch them. It 00:01:12.638 --> 00:01:20.436 says, it says like 1st, 2nd and 3rd. What was that referring to? Hm. 00:01:20.469 --> 00:01:26.816 And if that myself, 00:01:26.849 --> 00:01:30.605 which was Orangewood Curve, the one that turned and went to Glendale or 00:01:30.638 --> 00:01:34.055 the one by the powerhouse 00:01:34.088 --> 00:01:40.176 that is the, the, the powerhouse, you sure 00:01:40.209 --> 00:01:46.525 they call that district in there. Orangewood? Is that the idea that area 00:01:46.558 --> 00:01:54.087 district in there. Now, this is the date here and this is months, right? 00:01:54.120 --> 00:02:02.120 And this is, uh, there here and this is the fair that they, uh, that's 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:09.396 half fair. And this, here's the, to see 00:02:09.429 --> 00:02:13.495 one day, the round trip tickets were grown person is 50 cents. You see 35 00:02:13.528 --> 00:02:21.177 cents, 150 round trip. And, uh, old Black Canyon, I guess, you know where 00:02:21.210 --> 00:02:24.396 that used to be. Now, where was that? Well, it's over the side of the New 00:02:24.429 --> 00:02:28.717 Black Canyon somewhere. Well, the old Black Canyon road before they built 00:02:28.750 --> 00:02:34.936 the freeway out there's a Black Canyon road. But what avenue? I think it 00:02:34.969 --> 00:02:42.376 went out. 27th Avenue. I not care. Somewhere along in there. And that 00:02:42.409 --> 00:02:44.666 Kelby, 00:02:44.699 --> 00:02:49.286 this means something, but I was really curious 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:55.186 to because there, it's like 1st, 2nd and 3rd, there never was the 1st, 2nd 00:02:55.219 --> 00:03:00.267 and 3rd. well, there were streets like that but not that you'd be using on 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:04.987 that, on that line. 00:03:05.020 --> 00:03:10.816 I'm just kind of curious. So the number the same here is here and the food 00:03:10.849 --> 00:03:16.995 that over you through both of them at the same time, you see, like get 00:03:17.028 --> 00:03:24.225 some head back. Yeah. From seventh Street man. School here. Yeah, in 73 00:03:24.258 --> 00:03:29.656 men's school. That would be a returning ticket and this would be the 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:34.626 ticket that you keep, wanted to go out and keep this and give them this 00:03:34.659 --> 00:03:42.585 for return to. And what was, uh, what was Alhambra? Was that a road up by 00:03:42.618 --> 00:03:48.436 the Alhambra road down from Alhambra, North, north and Sugar Beet Road? 00:03:48.469 --> 00:03:54.876 Where the Sugar Beet? 00:03:54.909 --> 00:04:00.255 Well, I was really curious about those numbers. 00:04:00.288 --> 00:04:05.396 Recall what they use. Part of the I pass 00:04:05.429 --> 00:04:11.505 in that, the section it says, well, that the sections, 00:04:11.538 --> 00:04:19.538 I guess, I mean, it's next on, see here it is, uh, section three, 00:04:19.850 --> 00:04:25.866 let's see. And road 00:04:25.899 --> 00:04:32.616 and these numbers and what for now? Uh, it's, that made best as long as I 00:04:32.649 --> 00:04:36.606 worked on him, I don't remember what this for. He must not have punched 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:40.676 him. Then he'd never, you know, I didn't, it's on there for some 00:04:40.709 --> 00:04:48.666 identification, I think for the office, what zone is in, I guess that was 00:04:48.699 --> 00:04:55.336 stops, I imagine in a certain area I'd imagine. But I wouldn't be sure 00:04:55.369 --> 00:05:00.736 that it, but it looks like it might be. Now, this is, uh, in his school in 00:05:00.769 --> 00:05:05.575 Seventh Street here. You know, that is where you turn off just before we 00:05:05.608 --> 00:05:12.515 got to the school road and go over to Seventh Street. And then, uh, uh, 00:05:12.548 --> 00:05:17.447 when you 12th Street school road, we come right up 12th Street out here 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.836 and see if I can find it to be over here somewhere. What was 12th Street 00:05:21.869 --> 00:05:26.736 like? Then when 12th Street went to the streets to up the street and I was 00:05:26.769 --> 00:05:31.055 just coming out through, I say all the way to de cur was going through 00:05:31.088 --> 00:05:39.036 window, there's cross streets, camel back and Missourian several others. 00:05:39.069 --> 00:05:44.916 Now, see, they're not on here because the, uh, 00:05:44.949 --> 00:05:48.947 from one of these to the other and there might be three or four stops 00:05:48.980 --> 00:05:51.656 between, 00:05:51.689 --> 00:05:57.476 say in the school road, seventh street and in school road to Desert Curve 00:05:57.509 --> 00:06:00.526 was one fire. 00:06:00.559 --> 00:06:06.137 That's why the camel back in Missouri and Highland and all them places 00:06:06.170 --> 00:06:12.836 were. Well, yeah, and Desert Curve was, uh, Maryland Avenue was Bethany 00:06:12.869 --> 00:06:17.967 Home road through then. Well, it is north of this, I don't think it was, 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.515 it was north of the Carline. 00:06:21.548 --> 00:06:28.507 It's up north, close to Glendale Avenue. See, we went out Marilyn from, uh 00:06:28.540 --> 00:06:34.676 , C Curve which is 12th Street in Maryland. Now over across seventh street 00:06:34.709 --> 00:06:37.757 and went to what would be third street. There was no street there, but we 00:06:37.790 --> 00:06:42.127 turned, there was Maryland a, uh, was Maryland paved in a street or was 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:47.765 that just move to dirt street? Yeah, and not traveled much. Yeah. Just you 00:06:47.798 --> 00:06:52.596 hardly ever seen the car on the dirt on both sides of the track? This 00:06:52.629 --> 00:06:57.245 place to drive was just dirt. How about? But the one coming down 12th 00:06:57.278 --> 00:07:01.567 there wasn't even a place to drive, huh? Or was that all private? Right 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:07.067 away? 12, what do you mean? 12? Well, from Desert Curve south to, well, 00:07:07.100 --> 00:07:10.377 Desert Curve. 00:07:10.410 --> 00:07:17.555 No, we come through fields and the roads. There's Rose Lane. And, uh, I 00:07:17.588 --> 00:07:24.637 remember in the Missouri Avenue and Camel back and Camel Avenue and there 00:07:24.670 --> 00:07:31.536 was all them, but uh they're not on here a lot of them because the fire 00:07:31.569 --> 00:07:35.976 zone here. Old Black Canyon 00:07:36.009 --> 00:07:44.009 to New Black Canyon. See that Alhambra was all in one fire zone down there. 00:07:44.488 --> 00:07:46.488 Then 00:07:47.699 --> 00:07:55.507 section three in Sugar Road that is in, right in Glendale. 00:07:55.540 --> 00:07:59.486 You say you laid over in Glendale for a couple of hours, two hours and 40 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:04.226 minutes to noon and 12 left to 240. 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:09.666 What time did you go out in the morning? We left the car at 720 00:08:09.699 --> 00:08:16.717 in the morning. Then we got back to Glendale at 12, laid over till, uh, uh 00:08:16.750 --> 00:08:20.145 , 2240. 00:08:20.178 --> 00:08:25.666 Then we pulled back to Phoenix and we got into Barn that night at 730. 00:08:25.699 --> 00:08:29.596 How many round trips did you make this time? Uh, we'll see, we made one 00:08:29.629 --> 00:08:37.629 every hour and 40 minutes, I think. Yeah. You see, it was, uh, 00:08:40.558 --> 00:08:48.558 I think it was, uh, 00:08:51.580 --> 00:08:56.645 and they took, 00:08:56.678 --> 00:09:01.106 yeah, it took one hour to go from here to switch. 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:05.775 If you mean a passing switch going out this way. Did you meet another car 00:09:05.808 --> 00:09:11.976 there? But that car, every trip, we had a 20 minute layover in Glendale 00:09:12.009 --> 00:09:17.057 because it just took 10 minutes less time to go from the switch to 00:09:17.090 --> 00:09:20.846 Glendale didn't come and switch here. Sounds like somebody planned it bad. 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:25.366 Yeah. Well, the, we intentionally for some reason, I don't know why, but 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:31.255 I think we did and then, uh, we'd have to get there 10 minutes before they 00:09:31.288 --> 00:09:34.086 got into Phoenix. And then we'd lay over 10 minutes after they left 00:09:34.119 --> 00:09:39.145 Phoenix in order to meet there to switch. 00:09:39.178 --> 00:09:41.456 So, 00:09:41.489 --> 00:09:46.616 an hour and four car over an hour and 40 minutes from the run. 00:09:46.649 --> 00:09:49.816 But they generally, you generally meet, met one at the switch. There was 00:09:49.849 --> 00:09:55.677 always one time. What time did I tell you? I got here tonight. 1111 30 00:09:55.710 --> 00:09:59.635 1130. Did they leave any cars out in Glendale all night or did they bring 00:09:59.668 --> 00:10:05.476 them all back? No, not. They didn't have the barn was here in Phoenix. And 00:10:05.509 --> 00:10:09.846 they, if they left in there, I didn't know they'd leave it. No, they 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.236 didn't leave it that easy. They pull him. 00:10:15.269 --> 00:10:20.816 Yes, smudge tanks. They pull them out. They never did leave one there. Don 00:10:20.849 --> 00:10:27.856 , if it broke down wouldn't run. It might sometime, but I did not regular. 00:10:27.889 --> 00:10:35.106 What kind of a car did they use to pull the tax? It is a long under car, 00:10:35.139 --> 00:10:43.139 full motor car. Uh, do you remember what number it was? Is 30 00:10:43.599 --> 00:10:48.596 in 31. I'm pretty sure at 31. 00:10:48.629 --> 00:10:53.625 Yeah. And 32 there, three of them, they got them from Los Angeles and the 00:10:53.658 --> 00:11:00.917 31 had, uh, four motors and the freight compartment on one end. And that's 00:11:00.950 --> 00:11:06.547 when they used to haul the tank cars. It was a four motor car and two 00:11:06.580 --> 00:11:09.677 motors wouldn't hardly pull. They would, I guess would be pretty tough. 00:11:09.710 --> 00:11:13.787 Those cars were all here when you got here, I guess, 00:11:13.820 --> 00:11:18.667 were those, all those all had enclosed ends? In other words, you weren't 00:11:18.700 --> 00:11:25.657 exposed to the wind, not all cars. Now, we had several cars where the 00:11:25.690 --> 00:11:30.787 turtle top we called it nothing on the sides ends or anywhere around it 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:36.135 like that. Open cars wide open. You've seen them, I guess, turn the seats 00:11:36.168 --> 00:11:40.846 goes all the way across and the run aboard one end to the other and there 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:48.879 are two motor car and the four wheels is a motor on each action. Yeah, the 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.505 only time I ever rode on one of those was, there's one in a museum back 00:11:54.538 --> 00:12:00.395 east and they operate it in a place called, uh, uh, it's by New Haven, 00:12:00.428 --> 00:12:04.755 Connecticut is where it is and they've got a museum there in about a 00:12:04.788 --> 00:12:07.967 couple of miles of track and that's one of the kinds of cars they have. 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:13.106 It's except it's a big long double truck car, but it's open and on all the 00:12:13.139 --> 00:12:16.927 sides seats and everything like that. 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.616 But you still had some of those here when you got here. So there were 00:12:19.649 --> 00:12:23.427 several of them. You know, what did, what was the system like when you 00:12:23.460 --> 00:12:27.366 first got here? What, where, where did it go? 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:31.645 How many lines were there? There was a Washington Street line which went 00:12:31.678 --> 00:12:37.775 around the East Lake Park and out the 18th Avenue, 22nd Avenue. Yeah. And 00:12:37.808 --> 00:12:43.775 then the, uh, W line runs and, uh, around second took off at second, a no 00:12:43.808 --> 00:12:47.907 , first street, first street in Washington was, uh, the terminal that 00:12:47.940 --> 00:12:50.596 right in front of the court store there. Did they have a switch, a 00:12:50.629 --> 00:12:54.946 sidetrack or anything there? Yeah, they had a sidetrack in case, uh, uh, 00:12:54.979 --> 00:13:01.047 Glendale car, the people who worked the Glendale car come in and parked 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.436 there and before they got into Washington Street there between Adams and 00:13:04.469 --> 00:13:08.275 Washington and they had a cut off switch and they'd switch off over there 00:13:08.308 --> 00:13:13.076 and they'd stay in Phoenix, uh, the two hour and 40 minutes and we stay in 00:13:13.109 --> 00:13:17.025 the window. Now, where was that switch? Was that right next to the Coric 00:13:17.058 --> 00:13:23.196 store there? Between, uh, Adams and Washington was out in the middle of 00:13:23.229 --> 00:13:27.996 the street, you know, and they offset a little bit left and that, that 00:13:28.029 --> 00:13:32.226 there is a dead end switch. You go in there and park and then you have to 00:13:32.259 --> 00:13:38.976 back out and come back this way, which, which was the dead end. The south 00:13:39.009 --> 00:13:42.807 couldn't go to Washington Street on it. Just put in there. They drove two 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:49.996 cars in there and they park their car there and then take it to the Barnes 00:13:50.029 --> 00:13:56.486 and Barnes was 13 for Morrison students. Well, now where did the, uh, that 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.525 when you went out on the Brill or the Indian school or any of the, or the 00:13:59.558 --> 00:14:03.907 , or the orange wood line while you went in straight out 1st, 1st street 00:14:03.940 --> 00:14:07.986 to Rosa. Unless, you know, unless you were going on the Brill and then you 00:14:08.019 --> 00:14:13.667 went on, the Brill went to, uh, 00:14:13.700 --> 00:14:17.826 yeah, we see now that Brill one went out first street too, didn't? I 00:14:17.859 --> 00:14:23.956 thought it went to Piers. Yeah. And then cross and cross Fourth Street and 00:14:23.989 --> 00:14:31.936 on, out to 10th Street and the north. Yeah, it did. But it went to, uh, on 00:14:31.969 --> 00:14:37.015 first street. That's what I, yeah, and, 00:14:37.048 --> 00:14:41.275 and then the Indian school and the others went on up, Roosevelt. Was that 00:14:41.308 --> 00:14:46.287 all single track up there? Yeah, they had to switch it, cover 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:52.525 a passing switch in the school. Uh, cars had two cars over the passing 00:14:52.558 --> 00:14:56.537 switch to cover, shoot. So then the Indian school, even when you got up to 00:14:56.570 --> 00:15:00.797 , to Roosevelt and then over to third and then you went up third. It was, 00:15:00.830 --> 00:15:04.456 it was a single track, huh? Yeah, the Indian school was single track. The 00:15:04.489 --> 00:15:09.047 single track all the way up from, uh, where Pierce where all the way 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.787 downtown, the single b in the school, all of them come out to save him. 00:15:13.820 --> 00:15:21.236 And the PB turned to Pierce and in school turned it to one third and the 00:15:21.269 --> 00:15:25.217 third in his school. Well, third wasn't open all the way through for 00:15:25.250 --> 00:15:32.086 automobiles. For travel is open to her landing. And there was a bridge 00:15:32.119 --> 00:15:36.846 there for the street cars but there was no bridge for automobiles was the 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:41.596 only, the only switch on that line. Uh, the one at Culver cover, that's 00:15:41.629 --> 00:15:47.427 the only one at that time, you know, wasn't too lonely elders. 00:15:47.460 --> 00:15:52.515 It wasn't too long. They rebuilt it and they rebuilt it, I think in 1914 00:15:52.548 --> 00:15:56.927 or thereabouts it would have been pretty soon after you got there. Yeah. 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:02.755 Yeah, I, I remember when they rebuilt it because I was born, you put a 00:16:02.788 --> 00:16:09.076 switch just north of mcdowell when it's rebuilding and we come up there 00:16:09.109 --> 00:16:14.206 and put it in on that switch and let the other car go south and then we 00:16:14.239 --> 00:16:18.736 had to back out and take back with the Glendale and in his school cars 00:16:18.769 --> 00:16:23.586 passing, we didn't have a regular switch. He took it out and using that 00:16:23.619 --> 00:16:28.346 offset. And one day we pulled in there and we had that full motor car and 00:16:28.379 --> 00:16:33.885 I had to, I took off that day and I was at home and Wesley Winter went out 00:16:33.918 --> 00:16:40.047 to the man now Feather off motorman and he, uh, 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:45.316 he claimed to be a motor instructor. He's a wise man, knew everything and 00:16:45.349 --> 00:16:50.736 they pulled into that switch and then when they got ready to back up, he 00:16:50.769 --> 00:16:55.125 gives him four barrels to back up, then hold the trolley, watch, see, get 00:16:55.158 --> 00:17:00.547 off the track and he started backing out and when he got far enough out, 00:17:00.580 --> 00:17:06.006 he thought he could coast out. He pulled his reverse key back to go ahead 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:09.736 and push it to go ahead and boy that stopped just like that full motor car 00:17:09.769 --> 00:17:13.686 when you put a reverse key on it and they just die. Well, it just, just 00:17:13.719 --> 00:17:19.516 stop like you did hit a brick wall and he was a smart man. He asked him 00:17:19.549 --> 00:17:22.736 what happened? He said, the old man said nothing, you just reversed. It 00:17:22.769 --> 00:17:26.416 said, no, I didn't. Now the other cars you had to put the reverse key 00:17:26.449 --> 00:17:31.647 backwards and then feed it up and it did reverse. But that was different. 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:36.486 He got a lot of kick out of that because the man is so wise 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:40.686 anyway, let's don't go with your business again. That's, that's the kind 00:17:40.719 --> 00:17:45.916 of thing I want to hear about. But they fired him for that. It, for 00:17:45.949 --> 00:17:51.085 splitting the brill switch and denying it and strength and I split one and 00:17:51.118 --> 00:17:54.627 we tore things up pretty bad and we owned up to everything and they didn't 00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:58.347 fire us. He asked me one day how come they didn't fire you? They fired me 00:17:58.380 --> 00:18:02.617 . I said, did I asked Mitchell? I don't know. 00:18:02.650 --> 00:18:06.996 Yeah. Tell I'd like you to tell me that story again about how you did that 00:18:07.029 --> 00:18:11.045 was they split how you split the sweat. Well, we just, uh, you see, I 00:18:11.078 --> 00:18:14.946 wasn't the cause of it. We weren't to blame for the spell. It had happen 00:18:14.979 --> 00:18:18.756 regardless of what I was doing, but we were doing what you were supposed 00:18:18.789 --> 00:18:23.736 to, it was breaking the rules. We know it, we knew it would. And we had 00:18:23.769 --> 00:18:30.815 the, a bara trans married to his Kate now and lives on the 1400 block on 00:18:30.848 --> 00:18:34.335 East Garfield Street. And I couldn't tell you his number, but I could find 00:18:34.368 --> 00:18:38.035 it in the phone book, I think. Anyway, Joe Bush should know it because he 00:18:38.068 --> 00:18:45.467 is a brother in law to Joe Bush. He, and so we've got some candy and some 00:18:45.500 --> 00:18:49.585 bananas or something that the barn had a store there where that building 00:18:49.618 --> 00:18:53.717 is on the corner of Third, on the west side there. Bond Brothers. And we 00:18:53.750 --> 00:18:56.516 went in there and got some stuff and where, where did you pick up the girl 00:18:56.549 --> 00:19:02.406 ? We picked them up Thomas Road. I believe we had a special whistle and we 00:19:02.439 --> 00:19:06.055 ho ho ho ho certain amount, you know, and they knew it was, they'd come 00:19:06.088 --> 00:19:12.877 out and ride with us over night. And so 00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:17.805 this night is a fatal night, we started back and I, I was talking to Kate 00:19:17.838 --> 00:19:22.956 there and the old guard just back of the other track and the turn close 00:19:22.989 --> 00:19:28.976 like that and broke all the wars underneath. It was shot. So you were 00:19:29.009 --> 00:19:33.456 going north when that happened? No, coming south in school. It's double 00:19:33.489 --> 00:19:38.516 tracked up to one block of the inner school. Yeah. And that, that is where 00:19:38.549 --> 00:19:43.946 with the switch, which I see the, the car went off on the, on the tracks. 00:19:43.979 --> 00:19:49.857 Come like this double track. Yeah. Come like that. And you, uh, Joe Bush 00:19:49.890 --> 00:19:54.137 Parker had went through that, uh, lock switch thinking that it was a 00:19:54.170 --> 00:19:58.897 spraying switch like a ra have. And he went through it and he bent that 00:19:58.930 --> 00:20:03.035 this little kind of loosened it a little bit like that little crack and 00:20:03.068 --> 00:20:09.045 that back wheel jumped it. Oh, boy, just turned close. Well, they come out 00:20:09.078 --> 00:20:14.996 and send this town they got after snake got after Kate and you read a 00:20:15.029 --> 00:20:21.276 Miller and question him. It was all three days. And I went in told the 00:20:21.309 --> 00:20:24.426 newcomer, I said, well, I guess it's time for me to take off and find 00:20:24.459 --> 00:20:29.835 another job. He said, what do you mean? I said, well, just wait a minute 00:20:29.868 --> 00:20:33.535 about that time. Riley Palmer come in, his chief supervisor and he'd 00:20:33.568 --> 00:20:40.506 called down and told him he wanted somebody to work at and I his short, so 00:20:40.539 --> 00:20:44.887 white Riley walked in and Newcomer said to him, here's your man to work 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:49.815 for you tonight. I thought to myself. Yeah, I will. But I didn't expect to. 00:20:49.848 --> 00:20:53.315 So I didn't say anything. I went, I went to work the next day. They told 00:20:53.348 --> 00:20:57.426 us we'd have to get different runs. We couldn't work together. Well, I 00:20:57.459 --> 00:21:01.367 didn't blame him. You'd have to give up your special whistle. They make, 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.555 you give up the special whistle when you cross Thomas road. And no man 00:21:04.588 --> 00:21:09.117 ever said nothing about the whistle that didn't enter into it. We didn't 00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:12.607 have the whistle car that night 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:20.640 and we had a 140 types. I'm pretty sure. No, 33 but 33 and number one was 00:21:21.568 --> 00:21:25.206 our whistle type. For some reason, it didn't go out. Sometimes I had to 00:21:25.239 --> 00:21:29.016 repair them, you know, get some control, keep them in. You didn't have the 00:21:29.049 --> 00:21:33.666 same car all the time. And what did they usually, when you first went to 00:21:33.699 --> 00:21:37.607 work, what did they usually run on the Glendale line? What do you usually 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:45.555 run on? What kind of cars? The, the three and three? Yeah, 1 30 31 and 30 00:21:45.588 --> 00:21:50.406 31 32 and 3031 00:21:50.439 --> 00:21:55.387 was two motor cars. Two motors will do pretty good but it comes to big 00:21:55.420 --> 00:21:59.357 heavy pulling, uh, especially if we go to pull trailers. I imagine that 00:21:59.390 --> 00:22:04.236 Los Angeles had that four motor car to pull trailers on the lines. They 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:10.166 had out of Los Angeles and we had, 00:22:10.199 --> 00:22:15.835 had the three over there and this one got a board, we can keep it in and 00:22:15.868 --> 00:22:20.555 work on it while we use the other two. 00:22:20.588 --> 00:22:23.696 What did they, what kind, what cars did they usually use on the Indian 00:22:23.729 --> 00:22:29.805 school? Number one is one of the specials, main ones and then just move 00:22:29.838 --> 00:22:35.285 anything else. Thompson was a sick man. I had to work closer and he had a 00:22:35.318 --> 00:22:41.305 high rate high in Georgia rights. And they gave him number one because he 00:22:41.338 --> 00:22:47.597 was weakly and had air dry, air brakes on it. And run good. He could make 00:22:47.630 --> 00:22:54.246 schedule easier, kind of pat and he, he got that. But see, the Thompson 00:22:54.279 --> 00:23:01.097 that was ended up at one time being the manager. Yeah, 00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:05.107 go ahead and tell me some more about that. That's, well, what was, what 00:23:05.140 --> 00:23:10.266 was car number one like? Was it easy to drive? Oh, yeah. Is it always the 00:23:10.299 --> 00:23:15.045 same? Very bad to say, depending on what the equipment was on it. The air 00:23:15.078 --> 00:23:20.111 brakes is the easy part. You have to do it like this round, round, just 00:23:20.144 --> 00:23:23.821 take a wheel and turn it around like that through the hands to pull one 00:23:23.854 --> 00:23:28.801 back like that. It's still hard work. What, what, what cars had this had 00:23:28.834 --> 00:23:33.531 the crank, uh, brakes on it. Well, there's about three or four of them 00:23:33.564 --> 00:23:37.762 Little Dinkies, I forgot how many, there's several of them little dinky 00:23:37.795 --> 00:23:42.611 cars had a round wheel and a RR you at the bottom, you know, and you turn 00:23:42.644 --> 00:23:48.156 that around in your locket with your toe, push that through and the locket 00:23:48.189 --> 00:23:51.967 and then you turn it around again, you got it tight enough to stop and 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.746 then you had to release it little time to keep them stopping up the jerk. 00:23:55.779 --> 00:24:01.035 You know, I forgot how many we had to live here and that stop it pretty 00:24:01.068 --> 00:24:06.367 good. Yeah, pretty good. But you had to work at it. That was a big thing. 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.936 What other, what other kind of brakes did they have? That's all kind of 00:24:09.969 --> 00:24:14.436 had air brakes and, well, it had a, a goose neck. We called it the thing 00:24:14.469 --> 00:24:18.776 come up like this, you know, and then out like this and the handle on it, 00:24:18.809 --> 00:24:24.647 he turned around like that, wind it up the same idea as the wheel, except 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.347 some of those wheels and some were goose necks. We call them, the goose 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:33.196 neck is easier to crack. Not much easier. All about the same. Did the 00:24:33.229 --> 00:24:35.976 wheels have something on so you could turn them easier or were they just a 00:24:36.009 --> 00:24:40.217 wheel? No, you don't turn the wheels on them, you know, not like steering 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:44.397 the car, they steer themselves, the rail, steers it. No, but I meant, I 00:24:44.430 --> 00:24:50.696 meant the brake when you turn the, uh, when the, the brakes had had a 00:24:50.729 --> 00:24:58.729 circular type deal, you turn the wheel. 00:25:00.328 --> 00:25:05.436 We have 00:25:05.469 --> 00:25:12.055 worked pretty good. It worked. All right. You had no how, but it, it is 00:25:12.088 --> 00:25:17.166 simple. The simple part is concerned is the labor 00:25:17.199 --> 00:25:22.486 and they all like our brakes because it's easy. You just push your lever 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:28.406 over it and they get away from it. They knock your, your boy and if you 00:25:28.439 --> 00:25:32.906 pull one of them, uh, down like that and it, uh, somebody stand there 00:25:32.939 --> 00:25:37.815 behind you, you allow to take the dress up with you as you come back up. I 00:25:37.848 --> 00:25:44.117 did do that a few times. But, um, was that on purpose or is that? No, I, I 00:25:44.150 --> 00:25:48.387 didn't look back. I was busy. You have to look ahead all the time. The 00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:52.127 rule says you must be looking ahead all the time at all times when the car 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.156 is in motion and you don't look back. Of course, you can glance back to 00:25:56.189 --> 00:26:01.075 doing what it was. It's t restrict on that. You don't look over very much. 00:26:01.108 --> 00:26:05.926 What was it? What was the 40 cars like to run? Well, it was easy to run 00:26:05.959 --> 00:26:10.565 as heavy and it kind of heavy car. Were they already here when you got 00:26:10.598 --> 00:26:16.946 here or? No? No, they ordered them, this, the, they were new when they got 00:26:16.979 --> 00:26:22.026 here. Four of them. Yeah, they, uh, order, they come by the time you come 00:26:22.059 --> 00:26:25.835 here, didn't they? 00:26:25.868 --> 00:26:29.555 Yeah, they come two months after I went to work, they had them ordered, I 00:26:29.588 --> 00:26:33.446 think when I went to work, they, they got them, by the time he went to 00:26:33.479 --> 00:26:37.555 work several months after I went to work, what color were they remember 00:26:37.588 --> 00:26:41.857 how they have them painted? 00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:46.436 Well, no, the Arwood was Glendale but I think there was kind of reddish on 00:26:46.469 --> 00:26:52.026 the side, on the side. 00:26:52.059 --> 00:27:00.059 I, I might have been yellow. 00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:09.117 The track did, they were dead twice since then. I died down to its 00:27:09.150 --> 00:27:11.867 hospital in 69. 00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:15.867 My operation led to death and they finally put, take 12 hours and a half, 00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:20.936 but they broke me out of it. Be done. Yeah. And I fell under the table 00:27:20.969 --> 00:27:25.897 with a heart attack back when my wife died, she drugged me out and jerked 00:27:25.930 --> 00:27:31.627 me around. It wasn't a heart attack actually what it was. Uh, gall bladder 00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:36.097 empty too fast and throw the gas in the here and cut the, push the liver 00:27:36.130 --> 00:27:41.357 up and cut the bent. That the, what you call it. I forgot what they call 00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:46.776 them. Now that the main artery goes into the heart from above. Then that 00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:49.516 where the blood wouldn't go through. That's what it was. It's been a heart 00:27:49.549 --> 00:27:53.795 attack. I probably state did. But, and she had to move me. I would anyway 00:27:53.828 --> 00:27:57.467 , she just pulled me around trying to pull them out on the table and that 00:27:57.500 --> 00:28:04.476 loosened it up. So, well, you've been around a bit. I was trying to figure 00:28:04.509 --> 00:28:09.526 out what, what color they were and, and when they were different, when you 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:13.295 first got here, what colors did they have on? Mostly yellow or yellow? 00:28:13.328 --> 00:28:17.607 Yeah, orange kind of orange, yellow and orange is yellow. Do you have any 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:23.065 kind of brown or trim on them or anything like that? I don't remember any 00:28:23.098 --> 00:28:25.416 of you. 00:28:25.449 --> 00:28:32.347 They pretty well the same. I think 00:28:32.380 --> 00:28:39.217 they may have had, they seem like they did and the top was always black. I 00:28:39.250 --> 00:28:44.426 think they had caught her on top of maybe. Could be sure you get up there 00:28:44.459 --> 00:28:50.555 there getting first. Well, they didn't, they, when they didn't get those 00:28:50.588 --> 00:28:53.936 cars that they got from San Diego while you were here, did they, or did 00:28:53.969 --> 00:28:58.815 they got while you were in the army when I come back to what, what lines 00:28:58.848 --> 00:29:02.035 when you first went to work were running? Did they have the Hollywood line 00:29:02.068 --> 00:29:06.575 yet, or? No, they build it just not long after I went to work. See, what 00:29:06.608 --> 00:29:11.926 year did they build at Hollywood? Was you here when they built it? 00:29:11.959 --> 00:29:19.959 Yeah, I think it seems to me they built that when I was an army 00:29:23.338 --> 00:29:30.406 during that time, I guess when they built that. So, 00:29:30.439 --> 00:29:34.387 what was that one? What, what other ones were, were going when you got 00:29:34.420 --> 00:29:39.785 here? What are the lines? Fairgrounds, the fairgrounds called Grand Avenue. 00:29:39.818 --> 00:29:42.266 They didn't have any switches on that, did they? Yeah, they had a, a 00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:47.266 meeting place over at Ninth and, uh, Grand Avenue, Ninth Avenue and Avenue. 00:29:47.299 --> 00:29:51.916 They did have switch there where we passed, there's two cars and the one 00:29:51.949 --> 00:29:55.496 went to Seventh Street and one to Fairground. They passed at Ninth and, uh 00:29:55.529 --> 00:30:02.387 , Granddad had to switch there and then that car ran on where downtown it 00:30:02.420 --> 00:30:06.526 went down to Seventh Street, you know, and there went down on Seventh 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.266 Street and then there's a cut across. You, you go through the switch and 00:30:10.299 --> 00:30:12.825 cut across and turn around and go back on the other track through 00:30:12.858 --> 00:30:15.736 Washington Street. But now how did they run? The one that went down to the 00:30:15.769 --> 00:30:20.676 train station for train station? They come in from Grand Avenue and they 00:30:20.709 --> 00:30:24.627 had to switch at First Avenue and every and every so many runs would go 00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:30.206 down to every train time, you know, train time, they turned over and went 00:30:30.239 --> 00:30:36.446 down there and then come back to up, went down Washington Street to 00:30:36.479 --> 00:30:41.127 Seventh Street and back to Grand Avenue. Who did, who did the, who did all 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.936 the turn it off. If somebody had, it didn't make any difference who it was 00:30:44.969 --> 00:30:50.585 , you know, different people working. Like for instance, if you don't have 00:30:50.618 --> 00:30:54.805 any seniority, you start to work, you start to work on the extra board. Uh 00:30:54.838 --> 00:30:58.805 You don't have a run anything at all. You just go in every day and look at 00:30:58.838 --> 00:31:04.506 the bulletin board, the extra board and you're marked up for something, 00:31:04.539 --> 00:31:10.097 maybe a motorman, maybe conductor, uh maybe in the school may well depend 00:31:10.130 --> 00:31:14.156 on who's laying off this regular man signs for these runs for three months 00:31:14.189 --> 00:31:18.986 , conductor, an order and sign up for three months, three months later, 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:24.285 they got to have another sign up. You might work a year actually on the 00:31:24.318 --> 00:31:27.897 exit board before you get a regular run. See, and your first regular run 00:31:27.930 --> 00:31:32.065 will naturally be the toughest hours on the job because everybody else is 00:31:32.098 --> 00:31:37.597 ahead of you. You have to take the roughest. So it didn't make too much 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.545 difference. What were the toughest one night one would be a night run, I 00:31:41.578 --> 00:31:46.906 guess, or split run sometimes long split runs. Sometimes they have a run 00:31:46.939 --> 00:31:51.166 about six o'clock in the morning work till 12 and go out maybe three 00:31:51.199 --> 00:31:55.726 o'clock in the afternoon work nine at night. Yeah, that's pretty tough. 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.996 Well, they had them all times. They had to have so much service and had to 00:31:59.029 --> 00:32:02.397 figure them out the best they could, you know. But you got the worst. You 00:32:02.430 --> 00:32:07.285 , better than that when it was last. 00:32:07.318 --> 00:32:10.607 What were you always doing? Putting the, putting the motorman and 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.726 conductor badge on and off of the hats. And when you, and you know, they 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.097 had badges that said motorman and conductor on them, when you were working 00:32:18.130 --> 00:32:20.815 the extra board, you must have been putting them on and off your hat all 00:32:20.848 --> 00:32:28.170 the time. No, you just wore the same one. You didn't make any difference. 00:32:29.509 --> 00:32:31.509 The they later in later years, they, they was operators in one man cars. 00:32:34.348 --> 00:32:38.055 They call them operators. They don't call them conductor. Motorman either. 00:32:38.088 --> 00:32:43.117 They're operator because they operate the total car collecting their 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:47.397 booth. Well, when you first went to work today, you, you would either sign 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:51.236 up as a motorman or a conductor, whichever you want. Yeah, whichever come 00:32:51.269 --> 00:32:56.377 open, see, you take whatever. If a motorman run, come open, you'd sign for 00:32:56.410 --> 00:33:00.045 it because you didn't want to work the extra board. If he's conducting his 00:33:00.078 --> 00:33:05.676 own for it. What was, what was the packing house? Special packing house? 00:33:05.709 --> 00:33:09.835 Pressure. Yeah, we didn't have one. I don't know. Well, there's in their 00:33:09.868 --> 00:33:14.857 books. There's something that shows revenue and it says packing house 00:33:14.890 --> 00:33:20.516 special and, uh, they have it written up just like another, like you would 00:33:20.549 --> 00:33:24.426 any of the other lines. In other words, they'll have a big column and 00:33:24.459 --> 00:33:28.117 it'll say Grand Avenue line have all the receipts and then there'll be a 00:33:28.150 --> 00:33:31.486 little notation. Packing house special. So much money. I was just kind of 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.686 curious as to what that was or might have been. 00:33:35.719 --> 00:33:39.666 Uh, do you ever hear of packing house special? There's only one packing 00:33:39.699 --> 00:33:44.857 house here and there, that cactus packing plant out there just east of the 00:33:44.890 --> 00:33:47.535 , 00:33:47.568 --> 00:33:55.568 that's the only pack. And I know you mean the one that's out there now, 00:33:57.130 --> 00:34:00.156 there 00:34:00.189 --> 00:34:04.607 might have been one out there. Well, there's one on 15th Avenue down close 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.017 to the river, but there was no, no way to get there by street, no way to 00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:15.396 get there. Buses went down there after we started using buses. But, uh, I 00:34:15.429 --> 00:34:19.925 don't know of anything that, that east of Washington in Holywood went 00:34:19.958 --> 00:34:24.345 right out in front of the state hospital there on Washington in the field 00:34:24.378 --> 00:34:28.416 is out in the field in the end of it, it went out there. So the people 00:34:28.449 --> 00:34:32.486 worked at the hospital could walk down there and get on or walk, get out 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.626 there and go to the hospital. That's what it's for. And they thought they 00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:40.635 build up, you know, what to pay, but they never did. They never got the, 00:34:40.668 --> 00:34:45.695 the houses out there, you know, did they always run the little car on the 00:34:45.728 --> 00:34:51.925 Holywood line? Yes. At least they had, oh, unless they had to, you know, 00:34:51.958 --> 00:34:57.586 uh, had the, like, for instance, all the little cars wouldn't work, but I 00:34:57.619 --> 00:35:01.236 don't think they ever did for a long time. Finally they got to use new, 00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:06.046 more handbrakes after they got out of the e, sometimes they'd use them and 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.686 little ones that wore out just got to find several of them. They had to 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.977 throw them away. And when they did, they put them more handbrakes out 00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:19.026 there. Ok. 00:35:19.059 --> 00:35:23.106 Did they, did they any of those old cars when you first went to work? Did 00:35:23.139 --> 00:35:27.557 they have signs that you turned on the lines? No, you take them off and 00:35:27.590 --> 00:35:32.486 turn them over, just take them off. East Lake Park and Capitol, the 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.595 conductor would take them off before they got the end line. Reach out to 00:35:36.628 --> 00:35:43.416 win and take them off and turn them the other way. See, and, uh, uh, East 00:35:43.449 --> 00:35:48.227 Lake Park when you was going east, well, the capital would be on the west 00:35:48.260 --> 00:35:54.365 end so nobody would get on with thinking it's going backwards. So, but, uh 00:35:54.398 --> 00:35:59.497 , and then when you go down to East Lake Park, you, you change and see the 00:35:59.530 --> 00:36:04.595 capital put it in front, the other in the East Lake Park behind. That's 00:36:04.628 --> 00:36:09.256 when it went down around the loop. Yeah. But otherwise when they changed 00:36:09.289 --> 00:36:13.615 it, they didn't have to change them. They had the rollers in the new cars 00:36:13.648 --> 00:36:18.606 in the forties, the forties, 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:22.945 they rolled it around to the numbers. When did, when did they start 00:36:22.978 --> 00:36:27.526 putting those numbers in the windows? Like 1234 and all that? I know. 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:33.675 Never show a number on the window. Yeah. I don't know what, where they got 00:36:33.708 --> 00:36:38.845 that or how come the numbers on the cars? Yeah, I never seen one. I don't 00:36:38.878 --> 00:36:43.356 know a thing about them and the lines used to when I was around, you know 00:36:43.389 --> 00:36:46.905 , when I wrote them when I was a kid, the, the capital West Adams car had 00:36:46.938 --> 00:36:51.307 a number two in the window and a sign that stick in the window that said 00:36:51.340 --> 00:36:55.557 number two on it. And the Brill had a sign that says number one, there's a 00:36:55.590 --> 00:37:01.166 picture of it. I think I remember that right there. That didn't keep it 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.436 too long. I just at the end like that Brill cars got number one in the 00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:09.956 window. Oh, yeah, that's the lines, that vision number. Yeah, I forgot 00:37:09.989 --> 00:37:13.195 about that. Yeah, they did have it. And I was just kind of wondering, did 00:37:13.228 --> 00:37:16.146 they only do that on the new cars or did they ever do that on the old ones 00:37:16.179 --> 00:37:22.126 ? No, they never did on the newest I know of. And it was so, I remember 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.365 now the old ones. But you see, after I worked here first and went to the 00:37:27.398 --> 00:37:31.986 army. Well, I come back, I just kind of forgot the past. I don't know, a 00:37:32.019 --> 00:37:35.787 lot of things just slipped my mind. I just didn't pay attention to it. In 00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:42.106 fact, I didn't like to work but I was, uh, here with the sick sister and I 00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:45.586 had to work at something and that's the best I could do in this heat. I 00:37:45.619 --> 00:37:49.905 could work inside. But I hated the inside work. I couldn't live inside of 00:37:49.938 --> 00:37:54.416 the house. I didn't work. I just didn't like it. So that's why I did it. 00:37:54.449 --> 00:37:58.517 And then when I come back, I come back pretty disabled. I only weighed 100 00:37:58.550 --> 00:38:04.296 and £34 and I was pretty skin in. Nobody wanted me and newcomer knew me 00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:10.376 and he gave me a job. What I was, I was really curious about those, those 00:38:10.409 --> 00:38:14.356 numbers in the window because 00:38:14.389 --> 00:38:17.816 was number one and the capital West Adams was number two and the 00:38:17.849 --> 00:38:21.986 Kenilworth was number three. I remember that. Now it is clear and the 00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:25.376 Indian school was number four and I was curious if there were any, if 00:38:25.409 --> 00:38:32.586 there was ever any number five, uh, or any, any other numbers that Grand 00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:35.916 Bar would have been fired, wouldn't it? I would think so. But I don't know 00:38:35.949 --> 00:38:40.595 that, I guess it was, but I just don't, I just barely can remember the 00:38:40.628 --> 00:38:48.425 numbers. Now. I it's to come to me that I used to 00:38:48.458 --> 00:38:50.845 and they pay attention to numbers because they had the name on the 00:38:50.878 --> 00:38:55.717 Washington Street line and in the school line, red line, all that on it. 00:38:55.750 --> 00:39:00.586 And I didn't pay attention to that. Sometimes I can do something if I 00:39:00.619 --> 00:39:04.146 don't bear it in my mind for a little bit or I'll just slip my mind right 00:39:04.179 --> 00:39:08.577 away. 00:39:08.610 --> 00:39:13.037 Who ran the, uh, who was usually in the office when you, I mean, when you 00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:17.307 first went to work was, uh Mitchell ran it but somebody, newcomer, 00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:23.405 newcomer and there was a lady in there and I've seen her not long ago and 00:39:23.438 --> 00:39:26.396 I never had spoke to her because it wasn't acquainted with the one but 00:39:26.429 --> 00:39:32.256 she's working in the office with Newcomer. Um, right away a month or so 00:39:32.289 --> 00:39:36.546 afterwards she left. I don't know if they fired her or not. And they got a 00:39:36.579 --> 00:39:42.135 fellow named Philip Hershey clerk called him the clerk. He counted the 00:39:42.168 --> 00:39:47.146 money and newcomer counted money. He's a reader and all that stuff. Yeah. 00:39:47.179 --> 00:39:53.195 He did the media meters on the Fair Box. Yeah. Well, the cards we had the 00:39:53.228 --> 00:39:59.905 numbers on, we had to pull the cord. 00:39:59.938 --> 00:40:04.615 They register just like a register in the store. You know, you take that 00:40:04.648 --> 00:40:11.126 out your key number and all that stuff. You had the key. My key was nine. 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.365 When I went to work, I had to turn it twice but the key and then turned 00:40:14.398 --> 00:40:19.796 it twice and make it had a ribbon in there. She printed my number twice 00:40:19.829 --> 00:40:25.807 there. Then when I quit, I've done it again twice. And that put my number 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.736 at the end of my job. And between that was mine. How much money you were 00:40:29.769 --> 00:40:34.517 responsible, how much money I've taken in. I didn't know how much I took 00:40:34.550 --> 00:40:39.756 in. I had no idea like I did up because that every trip you turned it 00:40:39.789 --> 00:40:44.736 blank and every trip you registered in every trip you turned it blank when 00:40:44.769 --> 00:40:48.706 you got down the line. So you could, they could watch you and see how many 00:40:48.739 --> 00:40:55.655 persons you had and how many had rang up. What if he was a come out? 00:40:55.688 --> 00:41:02.066 Exactly. Even for a month or so that for you. And I finally found out from 00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:09.006 Riley Palmer. He said, if you, uh, come out. Exactly. Even he was knocking 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:14.956 down and keeping tab on that figures of putting it down over your register 00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:19.807 up there to see how much you had. He said, no man on earth can keep it 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:25.057 exact unless he does it that way. You'll either come out and nickel ahead. 00:41:25.090 --> 00:41:29.497 You'll get one and fail to ring it. But you learn it in. See, and you 00:41:29.530 --> 00:41:33.365 sometimes read you one too many, a little short and a little over and they 00:41:33.398 --> 00:41:38.057 never did correct it that little because they knew it was just one of the 00:41:38.090 --> 00:41:41.967 mistakes and maybe you rang one too many and didn't get it, but it was 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.146 perfect. It was perfect. For so long they fired you and they didn't tell 00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:47.816 you why 00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:54.807 they fired. Mhm. Was there a lot of knocking down that went on? Not a lot. 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.595 Every once in a while they had one, they called one occasionally. We had 00:41:59.628 --> 00:42:05.606 one on Washington Street during World war two. I know 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:12.186 was the garden wore that whole fashion. I took in $91.01 day, 35 cents a 00:42:12.219 --> 00:42:20.219 day, one day. Pretty good. Yeah. Five cent fire. And, well, I belong to 00:42:20.389 --> 00:42:25.586 the same you and I hate to see him too. I was in the office 23 days after 00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:29.816 making my attorney and Jess Hard. He was superintendent. Then he said that 00:42:29.849 --> 00:42:32.856 I wanna get some spotters. And you said, I think it's somebody walking 00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:37.885 down. Well, I said, Mr Hardy, I think you're doing a wise thing. I 00:42:37.918 --> 00:42:43.017 wouldn't tell the man turn him in but I knew they'd get him. Oh, about a 00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:46.396 week later. A couple of ladies come in in Los Angeles and I didn't know 00:42:46.429 --> 00:42:49.595 anything about them but the ladies or what there was, but I always done it 00:42:49.628 --> 00:42:53.227 exactly as I was supposed to do. I didn't care who watched me if, if I was 00:42:53.260 --> 00:42:57.646 more clear what I just went on about my work and there's no danger it, 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.436 what's gonna bother you if you don't do it? Well, there's two ladies got 00:43:01.469 --> 00:43:06.986 on one day down the Second Avenue and handed me a dime each just 10 cent 00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:13.316 far then. And I, I said, uh ladies, I'm sorry, but I can't do that. Uh, 00:43:13.349 --> 00:43:17.175 you like put your own fire in the box? I couldn't put it in. You know, if 00:43:17.208 --> 00:43:20.747 you did, you'd hold a penny and drop it in. That's why they caught this 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:25.095 other guy who was dropping in pennies until the dies, he's breaking it. 00:43:25.128 --> 00:43:29.256 But when I come back from the west end, they got on again doing the same 00:43:29.289 --> 00:43:33.896 thing and I called him back and made him put, throwing money in the box. 00:43:33.929 --> 00:43:38.135 But I didn't know that this pos, after they left I read in the paper was a 00:43:38.168 --> 00:43:43.217 couple of pos coming in and got them and they forward this guy, I saw him 00:43:43.250 --> 00:43:47.997 sitting in the office waiting for his paycheck. Oh, and they forward it. 00:43:48.030 --> 00:43:51.186 Well, 00:43:51.219 --> 00:43:54.816 I guess that, you know, they didn't pay very much. Of course, it was 00:43:54.849 --> 00:43:59.686 better then, but it was better during the war when the city had it. But 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:03.816 back in the old days you didn't get paid very much. No, not too much. But 00:44:03.849 --> 00:44:09.956 you averaged out pretty good. A lot of people had a misconception about it. 00:44:09.989 --> 00:44:16.827 I made the 0 65 to 75 a month. And I know a lot of fellows working in the 00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:19.827 stores for $35.40 00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:26.287 dollars a month clicking in stores. I working in offices making 40 $50 a 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:30.155 month and some of them 35 00:44:30.188 --> 00:44:36.526 and I was, I never made less than 60 that on up to 75 could depend, you 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.776 work by the hours, you know, how many hours you work is depending on how 00:44:40.809 --> 00:44:44.706 much you make. And I went down to Douglas and worked a while while my 00:44:44.739 --> 00:44:51.166 sister was down there. She used to, I got the, I made the about $90 a 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.566 month there. 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.267 What was it like working down there? Fine. They had five or six street car 00:44:58.300 --> 00:45:06.300 , six street cars. What kind were they? There was open on the ends and, 00:45:06.329 --> 00:45:11.747 you know, well, apart they open one inside, few seats here and then closed 00:45:11.780 --> 00:45:18.747 inside and that's pretty good with ours and we'd run him. 00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:24.787 Uh, figure eight. Have you ever been to Douglas? No, not in a long time. 00:45:24.820 --> 00:45:31.626 It's, it's 10th Street is the main street east and west like this from, 00:45:31.659 --> 00:45:37.155 from Grand Avenue. That's the main street, north and south. It did there 00:45:37.188 --> 00:45:43.095 by the, uh, Gadson Hotel. Well, it didn't go across, it went across in the 00:45:43.128 --> 00:45:47.595 barns, but the street didn't go. And 00:45:47.628 --> 00:45:53.327 we run that. We'd start out at the 10th street in the morning, gathering 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.247 up our crowd to the smelter. One would go to one smelter and one would go 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:02.666 to the other CN A and Copper Queen. And uh, I'd start out, come out here 00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:09.066 to Grand Avenue and I'd take off se uh north, go north to 16th Street and 00:46:09.099 --> 00:46:14.126 up to B Avenue and back over to 10th Street and back down to Grand and 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.126 take off with the smelters, the oven, go the opposite direction and pick 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:23.126 up here and go with the other SMS. Then I had another, that's all the 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:29.686 lines I had except to after the uh uh 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:35.115 f fair grounds against us. They had two lines. Yeah, three lines. Well, we 00:46:35.148 --> 00:46:41.445 had a line to CN A and a line to the Copper Queen. And you go down Grand 00:46:41.478 --> 00:46:47.456 Avenue four blocks from the line there at Fourth Street and turn west and 00:46:47.489 --> 00:46:51.695 go down to the Copper Queens Melter. Copper Queens Melter set right close 00:46:51.728 --> 00:46:57.217 to the border. And then the CN A smelter was on the other side of town 00:46:57.250 --> 00:47:02.557 right north of it. You go out by the depot, you know where the old depot 00:47:02.590 --> 00:47:06.885 was. Yeah, go right out to the depot course railroad tracks there. Then 00:47:06.918 --> 00:47:10.655 you take a little place up there. Doby is long out there. String on the 00:47:10.688 --> 00:47:17.227 called P Mexican town. Go out to P and there's three stops there. Pick up 00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:21.086 your meel. A lot of smelter around work. Lived out there. They're going 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:25.956 out to the CN A smelter. Wait for the ship to come off and take them back 00:47:25.989 --> 00:47:28.155 to town. 00:47:28.188 --> 00:47:32.456 Did they run very often or just? 00:47:32.489 --> 00:47:39.365 Well, let's see. I know about 20 minutes, 20 minutes service. And the barn 00:47:39.398 --> 00:47:47.398 was where, where? Just to, well, we go across 10th street going south, 00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:55.276 uh, west, I get in the direction to west and it turned into a barn that 00:47:55.309 --> 00:48:00.606 had gone back in there. Not too far back of the Gatson Hotel 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:07.706 around that line, Douglass. That is Jimmy Douglas, uh, on the Smelters. 00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:12.945 And, well, he was, he was a stock or big stockholder and, uh, of course, 00:48:12.978 --> 00:48:17.905 there was a corporation, New Wall Street Corporation and he owned, he sent 00:48:17.938 --> 00:48:22.376 out there to manage it and I guess owned a big Guinness in it. They named 00:48:22.409 --> 00:48:27.477 the town after him. And uh you know, his brother, his son, I mean, was 00:48:27.510 --> 00:48:34.135 down here at the Tucson. Now le you remember Louis Douglas? They had one 00:48:34.168 --> 00:48:40.506 of his artist in Main England. That's his son. The Mexicans are. They used 00:48:40.539 --> 00:48:44.876 to see my brother now with their uniforms on and say, uh Senator Douglas 00:48:44.909 --> 00:48:52.909 called him Senior Douglas because he 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:59.655 did. You ever, did you ever run the cars down to the depot here in Phoenix 00:48:59.688 --> 00:49:05.256 ? One time? They only run I think three or four days after I went to work. 00:49:05.289 --> 00:49:11.557 Not very long. I know because I just had it one time. All I ever run. 00:49:11.590 --> 00:49:19.106 I got my one time I broke in on my was a conductor and uh but I just broke 00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:23.276 one day and a half and they needed help. So bad to put me to work. Regular 00:49:23.309 --> 00:49:29.006 pay. Never did break ins motor. And one day they marked me up from Mo and 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:34.126 run, they forgot about it and I took all 33 out on Washington Street. Joe 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:40.557 Bush was supervisor at that time. Long in the day, I'm making it all right. 00:49:40.590 --> 00:49:45.345 I guess. Uh, up in the day Joe Bush jumped on the car out there at the 00:49:45.378 --> 00:49:51.456 Capitol and said, hey, Tex, he always called me Tex. Uh, when, no, I 00:49:51.489 --> 00:49:56.057 talked to the director first, got on the back. Didn't come up, hey, t when 00:49:56.090 --> 00:50:03.967 you break in on the, on the cars and I said this morning, yeah, he did. 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.095 Yeah, he said, I talk to the director back then. He said, once in a while 00:50:08.128 --> 00:50:11.296 , you took him up a little and he stopped doing all right. But as good as 00:50:11.329 --> 00:50:16.635 any new man, he said, we go down the barn and said, well, go ahead and if 00:50:16.668 --> 00:50:21.747 you get along, all right, if you don't uh break in. So I said no more. I 00:50:21.780 --> 00:50:26.675 went to Oklahoma City the same way. I, after I come out of the service, I 00:50:26.708 --> 00:50:31.227 was skinny, nobody wouldn't harm me. So I went up to the, to them and they 00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:36.037 said, well, a man is fit to serve the United States army. He's uh capable 00:50:36.070 --> 00:50:39.646 of working for this company. And they sent me over to the doctor for 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.236 physical examination. He said, I wonder what the uniform purpose and 00:50:44.269 --> 00:50:49.445 overseas stripes and all the paraphernalia. You know, I want to know, I 00:50:49.478 --> 00:50:54.497 want a little sympathy. I need to. So I walked in and told him out up to 00:50:54.530 --> 00:50:59.986 hand him my papers when we fell out, he said, well, looks to me like 00:51:00.019 --> 00:51:03.356 you're able to disturb Uncle Sam. He can serve with ok, home right away. 00:51:03.389 --> 00:51:08.577 So, ok, then sitting in the back, I went out to break in, I told the man 00:51:08.610 --> 00:51:14.425 that breaking in that, uh, I never had no experience because if I had told 00:51:14.458 --> 00:51:17.396 him I'd been experienced, he put me to run it probably before daylight in 00:51:17.429 --> 00:51:21.086 the morning. The start when it started out in the winter time, you know. 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:25.336 So he told me everything about it until after daylight could have three 00:51:25.369 --> 00:51:30.166 blocks of me. The line. He said, when you take it down and try it, he made 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.477 you stop. And when I took it over it just naturally, we started feeding it 00:51:34.510 --> 00:51:39.115 up. He stood there and watched me and looked up and looked up and down and 00:51:39.148 --> 00:51:43.126 I got a bail. I shut my power off but in the middle of the block and set 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:47.747 my brakes and he stood down there and watched me. I made the perfect stop 00:51:47.780 --> 00:51:51.307 by accident. There's a wonder I hadn't have made a joke, but it didn't, it 00:51:51.340 --> 00:51:55.566 just come down. It was an ice ire my door open and pass it off. And Dell 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.655 two bells come through and I took off and we went back and sit down. I 00:51:59.688 --> 00:52:04.186 called him back and said you go to hell, I said, what's part of you? He 00:52:04.219 --> 00:52:07.916 said, he told me you never had any spirit. I said, yeah, I had a lot this 00:52:07.949 --> 00:52:13.747 morning, we had quite a joke about it, but they wrote him for, to Phoenix 00:52:13.780 --> 00:52:18.986 reference and I know they got reference that from here in Douglass book 00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:23.445 that I had been on a one man car and conductor and motor and bo I told him 00:52:23.478 --> 00:52:27.666 that I didn't want thing that con because it was a strange town and I 00:52:27.699 --> 00:52:31.477 couldn't give information. You see, you feel like a fool standing up there. 00:52:31.510 --> 00:52:34.767 And people saying, where do I get to go to this place or that place? And 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.425 you can't tell them, you know, let people run the car. So one morning I 00:52:38.458 --> 00:52:42.845 went in to barn, I was on the extra board that went to, we had what we 00:52:42.878 --> 00:52:46.787 call a bean restaurants. You know, there, we're all met there in the 00:52:46.820 --> 00:52:51.776 morning, right in the barn yard and where they kept the street guard who I 00:52:51.809 --> 00:52:55.385 met that morning and sometimes most of us eat breakfast there. I did but I 00:52:55.418 --> 00:53:00.126 didn't have no home. And then we will start holler that men called out a 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:05.296 run or every odd run number, number one and three and five and so on was 00:53:05.329 --> 00:53:09.537 moving and runs and all even numbers is conductor runs. We called out a 00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:15.646 even number and I said, I can't take that. You can take that. I said No, I 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.135 can't, I don't think about conducting. He said that don't make any 00:53:19.168 --> 00:53:22.546 difference. I said I haven't got to change. He said, I'll borrow you one. 00:53:22.579 --> 00:53:25.787 There's always somebody leaving him in the restaurant. He asked the guy 00:53:25.820 --> 00:53:30.256 you got, uh, ch change and he said, yeah, he borrowed it. I said I haven't 00:53:30.289 --> 00:53:34.506 got the money. I'll get you some money, borrowed me some money and he need 00:53:34.539 --> 00:53:37.296 to connect all BS. 00:53:37.329 --> 00:53:40.477 If I said you're responsible for this, what happens today is your fault, 00:53:40.510 --> 00:53:43.385 not mine. I'm telling you, I'm not qualified and you say I am. And I said 00:53:43.418 --> 00:53:50.126 , I, I'm going on your judgment. I knew how I knew how about it was no 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:55.186 secret. But the information is a big thing with me, but I've learned to 00:53:55.219 --> 00:54:01.135 town pretty good. But then I worked to both like to work me death. You got 00:54:01.168 --> 00:54:06.115 to work both ways or is he the motor directory 00:54:06.148 --> 00:54:14.148 we found out and leave traffic. Uh Weather got to be went out one night. 00:54:15.349 --> 00:54:18.956 Well, just the head house is a car. Tried to cross the red road tracks 00:54:18.989 --> 00:54:23.686 over the Fourth and the Santa Fe tracks there on East Fourth Street and 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:29.236 got hit by a train and knocked off the turned over street car and the one 00:54:29.269 --> 00:54:33.146 man run off and they never did find him. He didn't die but he got scared 00:54:33.179 --> 00:54:36.247 and run off. They couldn't look at him. They knew how many is on there. 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:41.497 They want to miss him. I guess he got Negro problem. 00:54:41.530 --> 00:54:44.376 That your spirit, 00:54:44.409 --> 00:54:49.227 sure. You couldn't see nothing there every night and it was snowing and 00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:51.967 they're pouring down rain. Sometimes it's so cold that you could just 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.316 dance, 00:54:54.349 --> 00:54:57.885 weren't they? Heating? Weren't the cars heated in Oklahoma? Huh? Do they 00:54:57.918 --> 00:55:01.006 have any kind of heaters in those? They had heaters that they didn't do 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.905 you much good in that kind of weather didn't do you any good. But your 00:55:03.938 --> 00:55:08.796 snow, they had little, uh, cold heaters, you put coal in them had little 00:55:08.829 --> 00:55:15.517 smoke stack, uh, coming out on top. Good. 00:55:15.550 --> 00:55:18.557 You couldn't keep warm by them. You had to be working back and forth. You 00:55:18.590 --> 00:55:22.956 had to be going through the car all the time getting off changing trolleys. 00:55:22.989 --> 00:55:26.977 It just wasn't the climate I could take, uh, had sinus bad there. So I'll 00:55:27.010 --> 00:55:31.456 come back to Phoenix to come right back to the street railway. No, I come 00:55:31.489 --> 00:55:35.836 back and went to work at the State Hospital out there. I wasn't physically 00:55:35.869 --> 00:55:38.856 fit to do much. And I want to talk to Governor Hunt and asked him if he 00:55:38.889 --> 00:55:42.956 had anything easy until I could build up my health. And he said you only 00:55:42.989 --> 00:55:49.077 sent out at the state hospital and that they paid $60 a month. Board, 00:55:49.110 --> 00:55:53.546 groom and loft. And that's pretty good. It's not a single man could live 00:55:53.579 --> 00:56:00.396 on toilet, but they come out to me finally. And the day they come after me 00:56:00.429 --> 00:56:05.296 the day before him. And my, another one of my brothers drove in from, uh, 00:56:05.329 --> 00:56:09.856 back east and there's two of us working there. My youngest brother, he got 00:56:09.889 --> 00:56:15.396 shot up in the army too. Pretty bad. He was working there. So, uh, they 00:56:15.429 --> 00:56:19.126 was out of work and Albert had, had worked on a street car before and Ed 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:23.925 and I, he, Ed was, had worked on the street cars in Douglass, but hadn't 00:56:23.958 --> 00:56:27.115 worked here. But we had a job going to work. They come out and want us to 00:56:27.148 --> 00:56:32.046 go to work on the street cars. We quit out there. So we decided to do it. 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:38.217 They drove in and so I decided to stay there and work at the hospital. 00:56:38.250 --> 00:56:41.956 And my other brother worked at the hospital, gave me my job and I would to 00:56:41.989 --> 00:56:47.497 take Ed's job on the street cars. I, I work at put those for working. So 00:56:47.530 --> 00:56:52.077 pull the ski on them. 00:56:52.110 --> 00:56:55.635 They came out looking for you that time. Yeah. Yeah, I got short of help. 00:56:55.668 --> 00:56:59.077 They knew what I was at and the newcomer come out and having the 00:56:59.110 --> 00:57:02.006 supervisor asked me if I wouldn't go back to work. And I said, well, I'll 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.945 go back in a week. I have to give him a week's notice out here. He said, 00:57:06.978 --> 00:57:11.077 well, I don't let me for that. I said, I, I just couldn't walk off after 00:57:11.110 --> 00:57:16.936 leaving. Give him a week's notice. So we went back to work. I stayed on 00:57:16.969 --> 00:57:20.316 until I retired. 00:57:20.349 --> 00:57:25.796 The city still owned the system when you retired, didn't it? 00:57:25.829 --> 00:57:30.566 I retired. And he said 50. So that would be like two years after the 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:33.655 street car came off. 00:57:33.688 --> 00:57:40.436 No, it was it 48 thing? Oh, yeah. Well, I drove a bus about two years. I 00:57:40.469 --> 00:57:44.796 started April 1st 1950. And then that fall I went to work the county 00:57:44.829 --> 00:57:48.396 hospital engineer out there. And I was there three years. I didn't care 00:57:48.429 --> 00:57:52.865 whether it worked much or not. But I just wonder then I left there and I 00:57:52.898 --> 00:57:57.017 didn't work for a while. And then I worked for the c when Mike Harlan 00:57:57.050 --> 00:58:01.456 worked a year out there, I had to quit for major surgery. I had to pick 00:58:01.489 --> 00:58:04.845 his testicle out and go up in here and take all the cords and everything. 00:58:04.878 --> 00:58:09.307 I was way up in here and I know it a long time before I could work in the 00:58:09.340 --> 00:58:14.787 war. So I just quit. I didn't care. And after that, I 00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:20.175 next job was, uh, well, I sat down at home one day and my granddaughter 00:58:20.208 --> 00:58:25.816 followed me. He said the one day I was under social security in retirement 00:58:25.849 --> 00:58:28.727 and I couldn't make the $100 a month. And that's what they paid down to 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:34.026 Adams Hotel. So, checking in and out the back door. So I went down there 00:58:34.059 --> 00:58:39.206 and worked two years. My wife went blind and had to be led around. I had 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:44.146 to have a cystic tumor taken out here and she got over that and I never 00:58:44.179 --> 00:58:48.896 did want to work anymore after that. Then she had the cancer in the breast 00:58:48.929 --> 00:58:56.537 and five years later it went into the brain. 10 months later, she's gone 00:58:56.570 --> 00:59:00.477 when you came back to Phoenix and went to work on the cars. Uh, that was 00:59:00.510 --> 00:59:04.017 just before the city took it over, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I went back 00:59:04.050 --> 00:59:08.787 quite a company. Had no, wait a minute. Yeah. 24. They took it over in 25. 00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:12.967 Yeah. Yeah, I was working when the city took, things were by that time, 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.986 probably in pretty bad shape with the equipment and the track and 00:59:16.019 --> 00:59:21.557 everything. Track. Yeah, it was pretty bad shot. They bought bonds right 00:59:21.590 --> 00:59:29.590 after that in 29 is when they started the new cars, last ones ahead 00:59:30.918 --> 00:59:36.827 and that was a job. Told you had to hold the controller down when you put 00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:40.526 that handle around, you had to hold the weight on it. If you let it go up 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.876 like that, the air go through it and cut the power off and put your brakes 00:59:43.909 --> 00:59:47.467 and stop the car as emergency dead man car, they call it. If you fell dead 00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:53.747 , the car stopped to release the front doors wouldn't open, you could push 00:59:53.780 --> 00:59:59.276 them over. So, and they had a big top spring and then we finally got them 00:59:59.309 --> 01:00:02.865 to take that out. It's better than my arm. It hurts. You better get 01:00:02.898 --> 01:00:07.425 through work. I could have all of that pedal they had on the floor, they 01:00:07.458 --> 01:00:11.905 had some kind of a foot pedal or that is to put your foot on that pedal 01:00:11.938 --> 01:00:16.135 and mash down on that and then you could turn it loose and run if you held 01:00:16.168 --> 01:00:21.186 it with your foot. The same as holding it with your hands up here. That's 01:00:21.219 --> 01:00:27.037 what for to leave you. So you could turn it loose. Did they ever, did they 01:00:27.070 --> 01:00:31.037 ever put any kind of anything except the kind of bell? Just that you, that 01:00:31.070 --> 01:00:35.977 you stepped on with your foot in those new cars, any kind of whistles or, 01:00:36.010 --> 01:00:44.010 or ringing bells or they just kept the, the same guns that come on. It was 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:50.456 there when they quit. But Douglass, they had overhead bell and I like that 01:00:50.489 --> 01:00:53.497 because if there's a car sitting down here on 10th street and I was coming 01:00:53.530 --> 01:00:58.445 in and had a transfer of passion, I want to go someplace. I could give him 01:00:58.478 --> 01:01:03.517 one rail and he could hear it two or three blocks and hard bell. And he'd 01:01:03.550 --> 01:01:08.936 wait. If I didn't have it, I'd give him two signals and he'd go, it wasn't 01:01:08.969 --> 01:01:13.606 that easy on the other foot. One. So, no, but the other is they had no way 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:17.146 of signals. 01:01:17.179 --> 01:01:21.095 You mean, because you couldn't just hit them once or your signal wouldn't 01:01:21.128 --> 01:01:26.747 be loud enough, I'd say to hear it. What kind of signals did you use on 01:01:26.780 --> 01:01:33.227 the old cars? Kind of, which signals did the conductor use to old cars? We 01:01:33.260 --> 01:01:38.057 used to hold her hand out. The conductor would hold his hand out to the 01:01:38.090 --> 01:01:43.296 car in front. The mo would look back to look and, and if you have to hand 01:01:43.329 --> 01:01:47.566 out that weight, if you don't like that, go ahead. 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.905 They didn't have any bells that they rang inside of. They know what? They 01:01:51.938 --> 01:01:55.615 just had the foot bell that rang for the public alarm, you know, for the 01:01:55.648 --> 01:02:01.695 general public. And some of them had whistles. No, what the old timers did 01:02:01.728 --> 01:02:07.796 , but none, they knew it did. Well, number one had a whistle and we got 01:02:07.829 --> 01:02:12.026 that put on there, the one that all the Glendale cars had put some air. 01:02:12.059 --> 01:02:17.668 And so, well, let me turn this thing over here.