WEBVTT 00:00:03.008 --> 00:00:05.008 Circumstances was that once the ape like creature um descended from the 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:16.556 trees to the ground to the horizontal plane and began to uh to travel and 00:00:16.589 --> 00:00:24.026 to observe other animals. And to, to remember essentially and to apply and 00:00:24.059 --> 00:00:26.747 to 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:33.487 form the process of analytical reflective thinking. And I, when we were 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:38.156 talking about suburbia and uh this kind of horizontal plane that people 00:00:38.189 --> 00:00:42.796 are living, it was a kind of, 00:00:42.829 --> 00:00:48.315 I saw a cycle happening again in terms of oncology going through the 00:00:48.348 --> 00:00:54.445 vertical. And I was wondering if you had any bloom, 00:00:54.478 --> 00:01:02.116 who wasn't one reason that uh the the ape by moving down over three years 00:01:02.149 --> 00:01:09.385 had to, for reasons of safety, survival had to stand up. And that changes 00:01:09.418 --> 00:01:12.995 changed the morphology of the, of the brain or something with the muscles 00:01:13.028 --> 00:01:17.525 to do, to do something with the muscles and uh maybe the the the bones 00:01:17.558 --> 00:01:22.266 formation so that the brain had better chance of developing or I think 00:01:22.299 --> 00:01:25.846 there was something of that kind involved in, in, in this change of 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:31.176 posture. Now we are all actors and I don't think we're going to change for 00:01:31.209 --> 00:01:36.197 a while with this dark posture. So the fact that you are, you might be 00:01:36.230 --> 00:01:40.617 living in different levels with not bringing 00:01:40.650 --> 00:01:43.397 a, uh, a transformation 00:01:43.430 --> 00:01:50.516 in your, in your, uh, uh morphology that might, might 00:01:50.549 --> 00:01:58.549 define a new evolutionary trait. I don't know, is that 00:01:58.689 --> 00:02:03.656 a, as much as, 00:02:03.689 --> 00:02:09.636 but it was just interesting that, that in order to, uh, to form this 00:02:09.669 --> 00:02:14.116 process of reflective thinking, he had to go on to the horizontal and now 00:02:14.149 --> 00:02:22.149 we're, we're destroying ourselves. OK. No. 00:02:22.149 --> 00:02:25.946 Mhm. 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:31.136 Well, the reason why to go on the vertical is because of the thick of 00:02:31.169 --> 00:02:36.725 things. I mean, taking that as a, as a, a slogan 00:02:36.758 --> 00:02:42.286 and they indicated documentary was that by being in an America at that 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:50.319 time, uh and was not in the paper as soon as he came on to the 00:02:51.099 --> 00:02:57.487 Yeah. Mhm. 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:03.495 Mhm. Well, any, any historical period has its own type of things. And I 00:03:03.528 --> 00:03:07.055 think the more we moved all the complexity, the more we have to take into 00:03:07.088 --> 00:03:12.946 consideration the the problem of mass energy that we are involved with. 00:03:12.979 --> 00:03:17.696 Yeah, so that the physical is still very much the determinant of what we 00:03:17.729 --> 00:03:23.077 are mentally just because our, our mental processes are depending on 00:03:23.110 --> 00:03:25.846 physical processes. 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:32.047 So given for a for a moment, the the the assumption that we can be like 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:37.536 angels, then evidently the, the physical loses importance and we can, we 00:03:37.569 --> 00:03:42.725 can think in terms of a very different kind of uh setup, but we are not 00:03:42.758 --> 00:03:50.005 angels, let's face it, we are animals with a, with an incredible um 00:03:50.038 --> 00:03:58.038 tension built in and this tension can be connective if we are very careful 00:03:58.409 --> 00:04:04.186 in taking care of our, of our, of our animal structure, which is not just 00:04:04.219 --> 00:04:08.396 the single structure, but it is the the whole system of interrelationship 00:04:08.429 --> 00:04:12.366 between the single structures. That's what I was saying. You have two 00:04:12.399 --> 00:04:14.816 individuals and you have a society, you have a society, you have 00:04:14.849 --> 00:04:18.437 institutions which are, which are making the connection, your institution 00:04:18.470 --> 00:04:20.937 I mentioned, which are making a connection. You need the instruments for 00:04:20.970 --> 00:04:27.046 those institutions. We are talking about the city 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:29.086 77. 00:04:29.119 --> 00:04:34.137 When the first tried situations were launched, it was a tension of the 00:04:34.170 --> 00:04:36.567 fact of survival 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:42.536 that that's why they, they came together. 00:04:42.569 --> 00:04:47.336 And that's quite, yeah, the only thing that in a sense, the survival now 00:04:47.369 --> 00:04:52.786 it's uh it could be considered or it could be a higher level of survival 00:04:52.819 --> 00:04:57.426 of a of a certain quality of life. Unfortunately, we are still dealing 00:04:57.459 --> 00:05:03.317 with maybe two thirds of humanity, which hasn't reached that level. So we 00:05:03.350 --> 00:05:07.507 are still living with survival, physi, physiological survival and not 00:05:07.540 --> 00:05:13.805 necessarily so, but it is so because of in a way of the nastiness of this 00:05:13.838 --> 00:05:21.838 young creature we call, we call the human species. 00:05:25.649 --> 00:05:29.976 Uh Most of the orthodox religions, probably all of them offer the 00:05:30.009 --> 00:05:36.276 followers some sort of uh uh explanation for that within the framework 00:05:36.309 --> 00:05:41.086 that you described earlier about the Sun God and so forth. Where, where is 00:05:41.119 --> 00:05:45.515 death put in there? 00:05:45.548 --> 00:05:51.406 Well, as I say, now, it's is determination of a, of a, of a contribution 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:56.916 of a single contribution, 00:05:56.949 --> 00:06:04.437 which is, which is what makes the bulk of life. So I, 00:06:04.470 --> 00:06:11.455 I'm given a responsibility through my, throughout my life and um I can 00:06:11.488 --> 00:06:16.836 develop something or I might not develop something that will make my 00:06:16.869 --> 00:06:20.507 contribution valued. 00:06:20.540 --> 00:06:26.555 Uh As I said, now, I, I cannot uh I mean, I, I could hope or I could uh I 00:06:26.588 --> 00:06:34.588 apologize, you know, an eternal life, but I can't, 00:06:36.189 --> 00:06:44.189 I cannot guarantee it to myself. And I mean, it's just beyond me 00:06:44.910 --> 00:06:50.205 that that's part of the anguish and the, and the tragic sense of life. 00:06:50.238 --> 00:06:56.007 There is a um there's a final moment where you might have to accept the 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:04.040 fact that you, you did disappear totally. 00:07:08.290 --> 00:07:13.187 I would suggest that some of you might, might want to read the report to 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:18.226 Greg of Cousin Sakis 00:07:18.259 --> 00:07:23.377 cutting itself. It's quite a book. 00:07:23.410 --> 00:07:31.410 Mm. It's a biography of Kazan Sakis the Greek, right. 00:07:32.250 --> 00:07:40.250 Good. Yeah. Yeah, you can. 00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:47.976 But he, he's battling constantly with, you know, with this fact. Uh 00:07:48.009 --> 00:07:54.067 And uh 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:57.976 I have a question on how you uh kind of develop the names for the 00:07:58.009 --> 00:08:05.346 thickness idea in the interim between like now and archaeological planet 00:08:05.379 --> 00:08:10.926 still. It's like, it seems like we're in a fairly awkward period. Like 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:15.325 most of us here, we haven't gotten where we're getting a little framework 00:08:15.358 --> 00:08:21.296 or perspective on how a lot of these things had to go in ways of uh in 00:08:21.329 --> 00:08:26.586 some ways, maybe we find them in situations where we are normally. But how 00:08:26.619 --> 00:08:31.495 do you, it seems like there's, there's always a problem of uh kind of 00:08:31.528 --> 00:08:35.787 isolation, you know, people getting apart and then kind of losing these, 00:08:35.820 --> 00:08:42.427 these links. And is there any way to kind of try tie all this together or 00:08:42.460 --> 00:08:47.505 develop these links? In the meantime, before arcologies are actually in 00:08:47.538 --> 00:08:53.596 existence to kind of develop, further, develop with the ideas and the and 00:08:53.629 --> 00:08:56.807 more cancer. 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:04.076 Well, the the ties are there, they exist very often. There are diaphragms 00:09:04.109 --> 00:09:08.696 that tends to obscure the fact that the ties are there 00:09:08.729 --> 00:09:14.496 how to go about, you know, to, to be personally more uh more efficient in 00:09:14.529 --> 00:09:19.566 trying to, to make clear that I exist. I don't know. Uh I'm, I'm doing it 00:09:19.599 --> 00:09:23.797 in my own way. The only way I can, I feel I can do it. And uh I would be 00:09:23.830 --> 00:09:30.346 very poor at telling you how to go about to do it on your own. I can only 00:09:30.379 --> 00:09:35.826 say try to see if in what I'm doing, there is a lesson or something that 00:09:35.859 --> 00:09:39.525 you might profit from, 00:09:39.558 --> 00:09:43.015 which is one reason why I don't feel I could be a teacher because I just 00:09:43.048 --> 00:09:45.246 don't, 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:51.326 I'm not able to put myself in your position with your specific problem and 00:09:51.359 --> 00:09:59.359 then come up with a, with a helping hand 00:10:04.210 --> 00:10:07.706 or the, um, the contradiction 00:10:07.739 --> 00:10:13.366 of the process. 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:15.645 That one? 00:10:15.678 --> 00:10:20.417 Ok. 00:10:20.450 --> 00:10:28.177 To me it's very difficult for see, uh, so separate things out and 00:10:28.210 --> 00:10:31.936 especially the doctor 00:10:31.969 --> 00:10:39.135 we for process. Mhm. And he actually, but I think it's necessary to, to 00:10:39.168 --> 00:10:45.635 have the implements of becoming there as well as. No. 00:10:45.668 --> 00:10:52.047 Well, I, I would say that possibly the, the clearest difference between 00:10:52.080 --> 00:11:00.080 crosses and becoming would be that, uh process is that kind of of uh event 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:07.635 which is prompted from outside 00:11:07.668 --> 00:11:14.619 and becoming is that kind of event which is prompted by the, by the inner. 00:11:14.678 --> 00:11:16.678 So if whatever you do in Al Kani or any other place, you do things only 00:11:19.788 --> 00:11:25.106 because you are pushed from outside, you are part part of a process 00:11:25.139 --> 00:11:29.895 and the pro process word might not be the best word that I could use. But 00:11:29.928 --> 00:11:35.037 let's say let's use process as such. Now as I define it, if in this place 00:11:35.070 --> 00:11:42.356 , not only you act because of this uh this uh pressure from outside, but 00:11:42.389 --> 00:11:45.525 you act because there is a dinner pressure that makes you act, then you 00:11:45.558 --> 00:11:50.236 are becoming evidently most of the things we do are a combination of those 00:11:50.269 --> 00:11:55.326 two things, you have pressure from outside and you are compelled or cursed 00:11:55.359 --> 00:11:59.025 in doing something. But there is also an inner pressure that makes you at 00:11:59.058 --> 00:12:05.755 least accept this pressure. So you become also the idea is to, to have the 00:12:05.788 --> 00:12:11.375 inner pressure preponderant so that you really become while you, while you 00:12:11.408 --> 00:12:19.057 transform your environment or you transform things around you. 00:12:19.090 --> 00:12:22.346 Well, yeah, that, that, yeah, that's why, that's why understanding what, 00:12:22.379 --> 00:12:25.807 what you are about and what you are involved in. It's important for 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:33.840 becoming, which means important for your growth. 00:12:39.109 --> 00:12:44.596 Are there any other questions? 00:12:44.629 --> 00:12:51.586 We should be all talked out at this stage? 00:12:51.619 --> 00:12:58.936 Well, thank you for calling me. Thank you for pain, 00:12:58.969 --> 00:13:05.907 irrigating it. 65 or 68 but it's 70 degrees. But, uh, it's always too cold 00:13:05.940 --> 00:13:12.668 in here. I told, I told these people to bring their, uh, their sweaters. 00:13:15.500 --> 00:13:17.500 Well, ok, 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:25.236 don't know that that was a good, but we did it, it would be interesting to 00:13:25.269 --> 00:13:30.336 play it back and see how, see how it is 00:13:30.369 --> 00:13:36.586 and say if anybody here is taking slides, I guess, uh, if you insist on 00:13:36.619 --> 00:13:41.145 taking pictures, I'd like to have a couple of copies for the archive. 00:13:41.178 --> 00:13:46.547 How's that? 00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:50.696 If you could make a duplicate and, 00:13:50.729 --> 00:13:56.717 or just take an extra one? 00:13:56.750 --> 00:13:59.359 Thank you very much.