Circumstances was that once the ape like creature um descended from the
trees to the ground to the horizontal plane and began to uh to travel and
to observe other animals. And to, to remember essentially and to apply and
to
form the process of analytical reflective thinking. And I, when we were
talking about suburbia and uh this kind of horizontal plane that people
are living, it was a kind of,
I saw a cycle happening again in terms of oncology going through the
vertical. And I was wondering if you had any bloom,
who wasn't one reason that uh the the ape by moving down over three years
had to, for reasons of safety, survival had to stand up. And that changes
changed the morphology of the, of the brain or something with the muscles
to do, to do something with the muscles and uh maybe the the the bones
formation so that the brain had better chance of developing or I think
there was something of that kind involved in, in, in this change of
posture. Now we are all actors and I don't think we're going to change for
a while with this dark posture. So the fact that you are, you might be
living in different levels with not bringing
a, uh, a transformation
in your, in your, uh, uh morphology that might, might
define a new evolutionary trait. I don't know, is that
a, as much as,
but it was just interesting that, that in order to, uh, to form this
process of reflective thinking, he had to go on to the horizontal and now
we're, we're destroying ourselves. OK. No.
Mhm.
Well, the reason why to go on the vertical is because of the thick of
things. I mean, taking that as a, as a, a slogan
and they indicated documentary was that by being in an America at that
time, uh and was not in the paper as soon as he came on to the
Yeah. Mhm.
Mhm. Well, any, any historical period has its own type of things. And I
think the more we moved all the complexity, the more we have to take into
consideration the the problem of mass energy that we are involved with.
Yeah, so that the physical is still very much the determinant of what we
are mentally just because our, our mental processes are depending on
physical processes.
So given for a for a moment, the the the assumption that we can be like
angels, then evidently the, the physical loses importance and we can, we
can think in terms of a very different kind of uh setup, but we are not
angels, let's face it, we are animals with a, with an incredible um
tension built in and this tension can be connective if we are very careful
in taking care of our, of our, of our animal structure, which is not just
the single structure, but it is the the whole system of interrelationship
between the single structures. That's what I was saying. You have two
individuals and you have a society, you have a society, you have
institutions which are, which are making the connection, your institution
I mentioned, which are making a connection. You need the instruments for
those institutions. We are talking about the city
77.
When the first tried situations were launched, it was a tension of the
fact of survival
that that's why they, they came together.
And that's quite, yeah, the only thing that in a sense, the survival now
it's uh it could be considered or it could be a higher level of survival
of a of a certain quality of life. Unfortunately, we are still dealing
with maybe two thirds of humanity, which hasn't reached that level. So we
are still living with survival, physi, physiological survival and not
necessarily so, but it is so because of in a way of the nastiness of this
young creature we call, we call the human species.
Uh Most of the orthodox religions, probably all of them offer the
followers some sort of uh uh explanation for that within the framework
that you described earlier about the Sun God and so forth. Where, where is
death put in there?
Well, as I say, now, it's is determination of a, of a, of a contribution
of a single contribution,
which is, which is what makes the bulk of life. So I,
I'm given a responsibility through my, throughout my life and um I can
develop something or I might not develop something that will make my
contribution valued.
Uh As I said, now, I, I cannot uh I mean, I, I could hope or I could uh I
apologize, you know, an eternal life, but I can't,
I cannot guarantee it to myself. And I mean, it's just beyond me
that that's part of the anguish and the, and the tragic sense of life.
There is a um there's a final moment where you might have to accept the
fact that you, you did disappear totally.
I would suggest that some of you might, might want to read the report to
Greg of Cousin Sakis
cutting itself. It's quite a book.
Mm. It's a biography of Kazan Sakis the Greek, right.
Good. Yeah. Yeah, you can.
But he, he's battling constantly with, you know, with this fact. Uh
And uh
I have a question on how you uh kind of develop the names for the
thickness idea in the interim between like now and archaeological planet
still. It's like, it seems like we're in a fairly awkward period. Like
most of us here, we haven't gotten where we're getting a little framework
or perspective on how a lot of these things had to go in ways of uh in
some ways, maybe we find them in situations where we are normally. But how
do you, it seems like there's, there's always a problem of uh kind of
isolation, you know, people getting apart and then kind of losing these,
these links. And is there any way to kind of try tie all this together or
develop these links? In the meantime, before arcologies are actually in
existence to kind of develop, further, develop with the ideas and the and
more cancer.
Well, the the ties are there, they exist very often. There are diaphragms
that tends to obscure the fact that the ties are there
how to go about, you know, to, to be personally more uh more efficient in
trying to, to make clear that I exist. I don't know. Uh I'm, I'm doing it
in my own way. The only way I can, I feel I can do it. And uh I would be
very poor at telling you how to go about to do it on your own. I can only
say try to see if in what I'm doing, there is a lesson or something that
you might profit from,
which is one reason why I don't feel I could be a teacher because I just
don't,
I'm not able to put myself in your position with your specific problem and
then come up with a, with a helping hand
or the, um, the contradiction
of the process.
That one?
Ok.
To me it's very difficult for see, uh, so separate things out and
especially the doctor
we for process. Mhm. And he actually, but I think it's necessary to, to
have the implements of becoming there as well as. No.
Well, I, I would say that possibly the, the clearest difference between
crosses and becoming would be that, uh process is that kind of of uh event
which is prompted from outside
and becoming is that kind of event which is prompted by the, by the inner.
So if whatever you do in Al Kani or any other place, you do things only
because you are pushed from outside, you are part part of a process
and the pro process word might not be the best word that I could use. But
let's say let's use process as such. Now as I define it, if in this place
, not only you act because of this uh this uh pressure from outside, but
you act because there is a dinner pressure that makes you act, then you
are becoming evidently most of the things we do are a combination of those
two things, you have pressure from outside and you are compelled or cursed
in doing something. But there is also an inner pressure that makes you at
least accept this pressure. So you become also the idea is to, to have the
inner pressure preponderant so that you really become while you, while you
transform your environment or you transform things around you.
Well, yeah, that, that, yeah, that's why, that's why understanding what,
what you are about and what you are involved in. It's important for
becoming, which means important for your growth.
Are there any other questions?
We should be all talked out at this stage?
Well, thank you for calling me. Thank you for pain,
irrigating it. 65 or 68 but it's 70 degrees. But, uh, it's always too cold
in here. I told, I told these people to bring their, uh, their sweaters.
Well, ok,
don't know that that was a good, but we did it, it would be interesting to
play it back and see how, see how it is
and say if anybody here is taking slides, I guess, uh, if you insist on
taking pictures, I'd like to have a couple of copies for the archive.
How's that?
If you could make a duplicate and,
or just take an extra one?
Thank you very much.