WEBVTT 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:29.559 Paolo Salieri, Italian born architect, visionary and recently theologian, 00:00:32.469 --> 00:00:37.057 sees humanity in terms of evolution. A 3 billion year long struggle which 00:00:37.090 --> 00:00:41.695 has resulted in Consciousness Man is not the end result of life. He is 00:00:41.728 --> 00:00:45.625 only a stage in the adventure and he now must consciously take up the 00:00:45.658 --> 00:00:51.347 burden of making the future miniaturisation complex the process whereby 00:00:51.380 --> 00:00:56.046 each higher level of evolution rises above the preceding stage and a 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:00.756 process that was described by Tay de Chardin is applied by salii to the 00:01:00.789 --> 00:01:05.467 urban environment. He arrives at the Archology, the high, three 00:01:05.500 --> 00:01:09.436 dimensional one structure city that will permit man to reach higher levels 00:01:09.469 --> 00:01:13.686 of consciousness by improving the connections and accessibility of people 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:18.206 and other elements within the city to each other. He provides a framework 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:23.206 within which man can bridge a chasm between matter and spirit. 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.566 This programme is about Arcosanti, a proto archology Soli is building in 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:32.915 the desert of Arizona. The material presented in this programme, including 00:01:32.948 --> 00:01:37.227 the piano, was recorded at Arcosanti. In the background, you will hear the 00:01:37.260 --> 00:01:45.260 sounds of construction going on. 00:02:19.838 --> 00:02:24.596 Specific reason why we are there is to define an urban environment, and 00:02:24.629 --> 00:02:31.106 since we don't have it. We are, um we are deprived. So it's a deprived 00:02:31.139 --> 00:02:36.896 side. But, uh, since also I I'm convinced that, uh, the urban environment 00:02:36.929 --> 00:02:42.416 that man needs is not available in too many places. I feel it is necessary 00:02:42.449 --> 00:02:48.517 to to try to define it somewhere and and accept this condition of 00:02:48.550 --> 00:02:52.987 deprivation. Palace is talking to a group of new works shopper. If you 00:02:53.020 --> 00:02:59.096 went there five years ago, there was not in castles and coyotes 00:02:59.129 --> 00:03:05.577 implants. Now, uh, now we have an average of, uh, I'd say 70 people 00:03:05.610 --> 00:03:10.797 throughout the year. A mix of the permanent and transient. The transient 00:03:10.830 --> 00:03:14.856 are people, mostly young. Many of them are architecture students, but not 00:03:14.889 --> 00:03:20.505 necessarily so, who participate in a six week workshop and pay about $350 00:03:20.538 --> 00:03:24.906 towards the cost of building materials, construction equipment and food. 00:03:24.939 --> 00:03:28.967 So Le is able to match part of the contribution made by workshop as from 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:34.055 funds and from the sale of his balance books and the fees from lectures. 00:03:34.088 --> 00:03:40.297 But the problem is that the this, uh, this constant turnover of people and 00:03:40.330 --> 00:03:46.116 , uh, this is, uh, for the moment, it's unavoidable because in order to 00:03:46.149 --> 00:03:51.767 keep going with the the work we need, uh, that input of cash and effort 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:56.386 that you are bringing. So since every one of you is limited in this in 00:03:56.419 --> 00:04:00.237 this possibility and this ability, you have to take you in for six weeks 00:04:00.270 --> 00:04:04.217 and then say, I'll see you later. There's something about the fact that 00:04:04.250 --> 00:04:09.446 we're we're volunteering to do this work and we're not getting paid so 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:13.717 that I think it's a closer community than it would be if if everybody's 00:04:13.750 --> 00:04:16.757 getting paid here, I think there's a special attitude about the 00:04:16.790 --> 00:04:20.937 construction and just the work that goes into the place. The permanent are 00:04:20.970 --> 00:04:25.447 the staff, all of whom originally participated in a workshop and decided 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:30.015 to stay on. They are paid subsistence wages, which start at $20 per week, 00:04:30.048 --> 00:04:34.296 $15 of which goes to food. At present, the community is centred in what is 00:04:34.329 --> 00:04:37.856 known as the camp, where minimum shelter is provided in buildings called 00:04:37.889 --> 00:04:42.236 cubes. The cubes were built as an experiment to test the size of various 00:04:42.269 --> 00:04:47.637 spaces. 8 ft cubes were found to be impractical. The space is too small, 00:04:47.670 --> 00:04:51.995 sufficient merely for sleeping and for storing luggage. 12 ft cubes were 00:04:52.028 --> 00:04:56.015 found to be more satisfactory. The added height gives more space to move 00:04:56.048 --> 00:05:00.705 in, and it gives one's brain a chance to breathe, so to speak. Also in the 00:05:00.738 --> 00:05:04.286 camp are bathrooms with showers and a communal space called the Octagon. 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.805 Tony Brown, site architect. Talks about life in the camp last year was 00:05:08.838 --> 00:05:14.036 absolutely diabolical. Um, in the middle of the summer, nobody brought any. 00:05:14.069 --> 00:05:16.495 There was nobody living across the river. There was no trucks. There's 00:05:16.528 --> 00:05:20.656 nowhere to park. So we had about 100 and 40 people at one time living in 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:26.645 the camp. And, uh, it also was the year the leech Feld decided to quit on 00:05:26.678 --> 00:05:32.127 us. So we were really in in terrible shape. So, uh, at the end of the year 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.717 , we were frantically trying to think of ways of getting new accommodation. 00:05:35.750 --> 00:05:38.447 So what we did is on the new applications one you got. I guess this is 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.187 the bigger one, which had a lot more information on it. Uh, it also said, 00:05:42.220 --> 00:05:48.046 bring, uh tents and sleeping bags and sleep in your trunks. So the problem 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:52.395 actually disappeared this year. Most people in the summer brought tents 00:05:52.428 --> 00:05:56.507 and slept out in their tents, and the truck parking there sold a lot. It 00:05:56.540 --> 00:06:00.406 just evaporated just by rewording the application, which is kind of neat. 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.895 Also in the camp is a kitchen where cooks provide a choice of meat or 00:06:03.928 --> 00:06:07.817 vegetarian meals. Surrounding the buildings are gardens supplying such 00:06:07.850 --> 00:06:13.575 produce as corn, beans, squash and tomatoes, and also some flowers. All 00:06:13.608 --> 00:06:17.156 water is obtained from a well that was originally for the cattle that roam 00:06:17.189 --> 00:06:20.717 on the ranch. I tried to talk with Mary, the person responsible for 00:06:20.750 --> 00:06:23.395 keeping the camp and construction site supplied with all needed materials 00:06:23.428 --> 00:06:27.995 . I am the gopher 00:06:28.028 --> 00:06:32.887 and materials and food. Do you find it interesting? Fascinating, 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.955 especially for a gossip. You know, everything that's going on more or less 00:06:36.988 --> 00:06:40.406 , 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:47.426 and I move very quickly. To keep up with you, you have to keep 00:06:47.459 --> 00:06:52.416 frugality. An integral part of Soleri's philosophy is given practical 00:06:52.449 --> 00:06:56.995 expression at our coon. In the recycling of all recyclable materials from 00:06:57.028 --> 00:07:00.776 kitchen and the construction site, Soleri talks about the construction 00:07:00.809 --> 00:07:06.356 process, which started in 1969. The process is very slow because of 00:07:06.389 --> 00:07:12.437 problems with means and um, and so on. One advantage of being so slow is 00:07:12.470 --> 00:07:17.515 that everybody gets used to it. But people are more used to to a now than 00:07:17.548 --> 00:07:20.366 they were used 55 years ago because when we moved there five years ago, 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:26.176 but they saw were long hair, beards and promiscuity. Now, now I think 00:07:26.209 --> 00:07:29.856 nobody, nobody both about that After we were there for a while, there was 00:07:29.889 --> 00:07:35.736 a certain mountain, you know, front against us. But then that, uh, 00:07:35.769 --> 00:07:41.346 collapsed because we were not that as bad as they thought we were. And one 00:07:41.379 --> 00:07:46.096 reason was because they thought we are working very hard. Was it, of 00:07:46.129 --> 00:07:50.137 course, is a sane which is being built on top of the You have to keep in 00:07:50.170 --> 00:07:56.377 mind that the peculiar character of a as A as a prototype, the motorcycle 00:07:56.410 --> 00:08:02.515 built in the garage, it doesn't have to fit a ther E, which is the normal. 00:08:02.548 --> 00:08:08.676 You you you want to affirm something, so you you get to the point where 00:08:08.709 --> 00:08:13.187 you get to affirm it. No matter how and where and what I asked whether the 00:08:13.220 --> 00:08:16.856 building process will speed up in the future. I think it will have to just 00:08:16.889 --> 00:08:21.055 because more people are here and telling other people that it's sort of a 00:08:21.088 --> 00:08:24.366 nuclear fission type of thing. If it's done at all, it will probably be 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:29.026 completed within 20 or 25 years. I think I'm thinking now that that one of 00:08:29.059 --> 00:08:34.250 the best way of of the getting this moving faster would be for for us to 00:08:34.283 --> 00:08:38.842 involve to be involved in in order. We have to come up with serious things 00:08:38.875 --> 00:08:43.611 in order to really have a backbone. So if we could get involved with the 00:08:43.644 --> 00:08:48.140 same method in something that instead of being 40,000 people and being in 00:08:48.173 --> 00:08:54.537 a way queer for many people would be more acceptable. I think that new 00:08:54.570 --> 00:08:59.307 project would be very good for this project. A central part of the design 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:04.907 of Aryan is the absence or half domes that will be 200 ft high. These 00:09:04.940 --> 00:09:08.537 abscess will have double skins or walls, and there will be living space 00:09:08.570 --> 00:09:12.047 sandwiched in between the two walls. All living units at different heights 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:16.787 of the apps will have a unique space for the angle of the walls, changes 00:09:16.820 --> 00:09:21.326 with height, the walls being almost upright, close to the ground and being 00:09:21.359 --> 00:09:25.746 horizontal at the top of the apps. Next some workshops talk about the 00:09:25.779 --> 00:09:29.076 buildings that have been completed so far. The farms here are really 00:09:29.109 --> 00:09:33.807 terrific. Lots of need concrete and textures and plants and growing things 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:38.287 and need people. There's a couple of rather small abs, which are quarter 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.866 spheres, which are done in concrete, which are facing south to catch the 00:09:42.899 --> 00:09:47.096 sun for the most useful part of the year, catching the heat in the winter 00:09:47.129 --> 00:09:50.206 and giving shade in the summer. So they're sort of naturally climate 00:09:50.239 --> 00:09:55.635 controlled. The water that is collected from the rain runoff runs out to 00:09:55.668 --> 00:10:01.946 very long spouts and run down into the leaching field to, uh, eventually 00:10:01.979 --> 00:10:08.385 water olive trees. It's, uh, very nice ecological touch. Paolo explains. 00:10:08.418 --> 00:10:13.025 The design of the apps. There is something similar 00:10:13.058 --> 00:10:17.736 and uh, that was built by me personally and was organised by me personally 00:10:17.769 --> 00:10:21.726 , and I think it works fairly well. And I was working there for many years 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:27.125 , and I felt that, uh, doing ceramics in that environment was more than 00:10:27.158 --> 00:10:32.177 than just work was pleasant. So I felt that if someone else connected with 00:10:32.210 --> 00:10:36.696 me was going to the ceramic should have the same kind of pleasant, uh, the 00:10:36.729 --> 00:10:41.005 same kind of environment. So instead of coming up with, uh, what you might 00:10:41.038 --> 00:10:45.696 call a very efficient, rational ceramic work area I came up with with the 00:10:45.729 --> 00:10:52.116 translation of that into this, I wanted to build a place where that 00:10:52.149 --> 00:10:57.706 experience could be repeated with the additional advantages. And there's 00:10:57.739 --> 00:11:01.797 also a large vault space, which is right now used as a construction area 00:11:01.830 --> 00:11:05.576 and some living quarters off of those and in construction right now is a 00:11:05.609 --> 00:11:09.135 three or four story restaurant. The techniques are more or less, uh, 00:11:09.168 --> 00:11:11.436 something that Paulo is derived. You don't see it anywhere else in 00:11:11.469 --> 00:11:15.206 commercial construction in terms of, uh, sealed casting and the way he's 00:11:15.239 --> 00:11:19.895 using concrete in its most plastic form. Silt casting is a technique that 00:11:19.928 --> 00:11:25.287 Paulo developed, uh, mostly as a crafts method that when he started 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.236 working with bells, digging out, uh, hollow forms in the earth and putting 00:11:29.269 --> 00:11:33.816 clay into it and and, uh, extracting bells from this and then, uh, he got 00:11:33.849 --> 00:11:38.096 to sort of using it in a reverse sense by building up dirt mounds and then 00:11:38.129 --> 00:11:42.336 putting concrete over this and then scooping out the dirt, uh, from 00:11:42.369 --> 00:11:45.746 underneath. Uh, this is the technique that you use down at Cassani in 00:11:45.779 --> 00:11:51.217 Scottsdale. Uh, the apses here are more technologically developed. Uh, 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:55.667 from that they're a little more complicated and a little less earthy. Uh, 00:11:55.700 --> 00:11:58.986 they're not directly built with mounds of earth, but scaffolding is put up 00:11:59.019 --> 00:12:03.625 and dirt is put over forms there. And then, uh, ridges are carved into 00:12:03.658 --> 00:12:07.177 that and then concrete put on the surface of that, and then the earth is 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:11.145 removed. There are also lots of, uh, textures and colours, which are 00:12:11.178 --> 00:12:14.895 applied to the surface of the dirt, which is, uh, then left on the surface 00:12:14.928 --> 00:12:17.936 of the concrete after the earth has been removed. So there are all sorts 00:12:17.969 --> 00:12:21.726 of really nice colours and forms and textures on the buildings and in the 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:26.236 buildings and a part of the buildings here. I asked several participants 00:12:26.269 --> 00:12:29.586 why they came to help build Arcosanti. I was kind of hanging a little bit 00:12:29.619 --> 00:12:32.436 loose. Actually, 00:12:32.469 --> 00:12:36.217 I was taught for two years and didn't like that and was sort of in a 00:12:36.250 --> 00:12:40.557 transition. Didn't really know what I wanted to do. I kind of wanted to 00:12:40.590 --> 00:12:44.907 get out to this area. And I heard Paul speak. It sounded interesting 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:52.625 enough so that at worst it would be a pleasant six weeks. And, uh, I guess 00:12:52.658 --> 00:12:56.297 the the other one of the other contributing reasons is that there's also a 00:12:56.330 --> 00:13:00.336 pretty good group of people here, has a chance to do reading and a chance 00:13:00.369 --> 00:13:06.297 to a lot. For me, there's a lot of intellectual stimulation, and, uh, all 00:13:06.330 --> 00:13:09.755 all the things combined is a sort of tough thing to be. You don't get a 00:13:09.788 --> 00:13:13.265 chance to be in that sort of situation very often. I heard about it from a 00:13:13.298 --> 00:13:18.907 friend of mine, and I've been pretty down on architecture and so called 00:13:18.940 --> 00:13:23.907 progress of mankind, and I was looking for something better than what I've 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:28.755 seen. So I thought I'd try just the idea of our college brought me here in 00:13:28.788 --> 00:13:33.255 the first place, but I come back because it's a special place. I know 00:13:33.288 --> 00:13:37.677 people here, and I just like it here. I studied architecture for a while. 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.496 I was working in a couple of offices and was bummed out by that, and I 00:13:41.529 --> 00:13:45.066 heard about the Apollo in school, and so I thought I'd come here and see 00:13:45.099 --> 00:13:47.946 what was really going on when I was in school. Some friends of mine came 00:13:47.979 --> 00:13:52.037 out here and they built the cubes. I came from Detroit and, uh, after 00:13:52.070 --> 00:13:57.135 living in Detroit, I went to college in a very, uh, sort of an urban 00:13:57.168 --> 00:14:01.086 environment. And at that time I left for about a year and lived very far 00:14:01.119 --> 00:14:06.316 out in the secluded countryside. And at that time I realised the cultural 00:14:06.349 --> 00:14:12.797 benefits, the social benefits, all the things that I missed from the city. 00:14:12.830 --> 00:14:20.537 But yet I was unwilling to subject myself to the cities as they were, and 00:14:20.570 --> 00:14:25.316 I read Paulo's book The City in the Image of Man and thought that he was 00:14:25.349 --> 00:14:30.566 offering a possible solution to a person who wanted to have the benefits 00:14:30.599 --> 00:14:35.856 of the natural landscape and have the cultural and social benefits of the 00:14:35.889 --> 00:14:42.076 urban environment. I came out in a workshop, and I mixed concrete, and I 00:14:42.109 --> 00:14:47.616 tied steel and dug ditches and in about three months became the camp 00:14:47.649 --> 00:14:52.657 director, which was a job that is basically concerned with maintenance 00:14:52.690 --> 00:14:57.996 work and keeping the community in a proper order. In your role as camp 00:14:58.029 --> 00:15:02.456 director, what did you learn about people's reasons for coming? I think 00:15:02.489 --> 00:15:06.436 most people come with a very limited knowledge about what's here. But 00:15:06.469 --> 00:15:09.895 they've come because they've either read Paula's books or they've heard 00:15:09.928 --> 00:15:14.326 that a man named Celery has some type of a viable alternative. And I think 00:15:14.359 --> 00:15:18.456 one of the unique things about it is that they feel it's very 00:15:18.489 --> 00:15:23.407 comprehensive and when they come, they find that we have something very 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:28.157 far from an archology here. Circumstances are such that you can't avoid at 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:33.057 least part of this expectation of paradise or utopia and finding out that 00:15:33.090 --> 00:15:38.596 instead of sweating and surgery. But I think they all go away with feeling 00:15:38.629 --> 00:15:44.287 that it's a very unique experience in that they live and work and eat and 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:49.726 play and discuss and learn with the same people for the duration of their 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:56.246 stay here. And it is in a way isolating people in sort of a brainstorming 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.167 session about the problems that we're trying to deal with here, a workshop 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.645 of comments on the community. The community is too homogenous. Everyone 00:16:03.678 --> 00:16:08.186 comes from the same general background, although people vary widely in 00:16:08.219 --> 00:16:11.667 their interests and so forth. Basically, we're all of the same age group 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:16.385 from the same economic background, and I think it will really be important 00:16:16.418 --> 00:16:21.557 to get a better mix of people in the working community. Families are 00:16:21.590 --> 00:16:24.246 starting to come in next year. There's a programme starting for them. I 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:28.096 think it would really be helpful to tap some older citizenry and get some 00:16:28.129 --> 00:16:33.706 skilled, retired, middle aged people here that were out at a much greater 00:16:33.739 --> 00:16:38.066 complexity to the community here. As it grows, there have been older 00:16:38.099 --> 00:16:43.316 people at a Nancy Gusman claims to be the first such I have followed the 00:16:43.349 --> 00:16:47.407 work of Powell since 1957. I was anxious to see what this design would 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.625 really be like. So I wrote him and uh said that I would phone him and that 00:16:52.658 --> 00:16:56.586 we could talk about it being, uh, an older lady. Maybe I wouldn't be so 00:16:56.619 --> 00:17:00.395 suitable to the test at hand. He thought it might be an interesting 00:17:00.428 --> 00:17:05.656 experiment to see how an older person might survive. And we agreed that 00:17:05.689 --> 00:17:10.765 after three weeks, if I was too old that I would find something else to 00:17:10.798 --> 00:17:16.605 less invigorated and happily, I was able to stay. How does your experience 00:17:16.638 --> 00:17:20.615 here fit in with the scheme of your life? We're at the time in life now 00:17:20.648 --> 00:17:24.585 that our family is gone, that we should think about different patterns and 00:17:24.618 --> 00:17:29.284 particularly search for different patterns and different ways of 00:17:29.317 --> 00:17:34.745 conducting our lives. I don't feel any, uh, private need to escape 00:17:34.778 --> 00:17:39.535 anything. I I have enjoyed a very active life. Nancy Gusman talks about a 00:17:39.568 --> 00:17:44.815 wine tasting party she organised That was a wonderful opportunity for me 00:17:44.848 --> 00:17:51.476 to share a little saved up things so we could have a special day. So we 00:17:51.509 --> 00:17:56.055 had three different kinds of wine and three different kinds of cheese. And 00:17:56.088 --> 00:18:01.706 I think he had a lovely warm exchange, really. On Sunday evening, with 00:18:01.739 --> 00:18:09.739 some rice Fla and a little curry sauce and, uh, some dancing and what I 00:18:11.358 --> 00:18:16.456 think I would call a lot of good warm vibrations. Next, Tony Brown site 00:18:16.489 --> 00:18:21.055 architect discusses the development of the building process since the 00:18:21.088 --> 00:18:25.137 early days when you take it in sort of overall perspective, from four 00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:30.045 years ago to what's here Now, we we've really come a long way, and it kind 00:18:30.078 --> 00:18:35.406 of illustrate that, um, what I did was I brought down some of the 00:18:35.439 --> 00:18:41.006 information that we had early on in the process and also some information 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:48.166 of what's happening at this point in time. Um, this folder here is all the 00:18:48.199 --> 00:18:52.367 information from the start of our KANTI up to the third year. This 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.496 contains pretty much all the drawings, all the notes, the building of the 00:18:56.529 --> 00:19:01.956 cubes, the building of plywood City three years, three years to give you 00:19:01.989 --> 00:19:05.887 sort of a, well, sort of an idea of what's in here. I just thought I'd run 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.617 through it fairly briefly. This is the field drawing for the plumbing in 00:19:09.650 --> 00:19:13.637 the in the vault. It's done on the back of the drawing. And, uh, this is 00:19:13.670 --> 00:19:17.206 the This is a real vinyl drawing, this one. It's the only drawing that 00:19:17.239 --> 00:19:21.002 shows how the plumbing works in the storage areas under the Well, there's 00:19:21.035 --> 00:19:24.881 no copies of it. This is the original, and that's why we keep it real safe 00:19:24.914 --> 00:19:29.450 in this. I didn't even get the sort of general idea of how things were 00:19:29.483 --> 00:19:33.180 done in the early days. Reasons these were done like this wasn't just, uh 00:19:33.213 --> 00:19:36.381 , sort of out of sheer vindictiveness that it was because it was only sort 00:19:36.414 --> 00:19:41.081 of two people running the whole operation, and, uh, the buildings were 00:19:41.114 --> 00:19:44.631 being done as the drawings were being drawn without drawings. It's a 00:19:44.664 --> 00:19:50.575 fairly wasteful, time consuming process. Um, what we generally do is we 00:19:50.608 --> 00:19:55.627 try and get base construction drawings together. In other words, the 00:19:55.660 --> 00:20:01.347 building itself in terms of walls, floors, uh, windows, and so on, uh, 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:04.416 without getting into the detail of how the finished cabinet work's gonna 00:20:04.449 --> 00:20:09.045 be done or the windows or whatever, Uh, that allows us to start a little 00:20:09.078 --> 00:20:12.946 bit ahead of, uh, having a complete set of working drawings finished. 00:20:12.979 --> 00:20:17.305 We're in a little better position than a a normal, uh, contractor 00:20:17.338 --> 00:20:22.976 architect relationship. Uh, because in the normal situation, you have to 00:20:23.009 --> 00:20:26.246 have a set of drawings that show absolutely everything so that anybody 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.597 who's contracting for the job can sit down and can take off every nut and 00:20:30.630 --> 00:20:35.756 bolt in the building and then give you a price for it. We have a little 00:20:35.789 --> 00:20:39.117 leeway in as much as we can put in a lump sum budget figure for, say, 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:42.147 finish work based on the square footage of the building. And if we go a 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:45.097 little above or a little below, it's not so desperate as it is in the real 00:20:45.130 --> 00:20:51.805 world. we're talking in terms of, uh, developers profits and so on in 1972 00:20:51.838 --> 00:20:55.607 I guess, was the first time we did a schedule. Our problem here is that 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:02.107 our labour force fluctuates wildly at, uh, from sort of 10 people up to 00:21:02.140 --> 00:21:07.446 100 and 70. Also, our money situation fluctuates wildly. Uh, sometimes you 00:21:07.479 --> 00:21:10.035 don't have money to do things because it tends to be a fairly hand to 00:21:10.068 --> 00:21:16.276 mouth process, and our machinery is not incredibly reliable or some of it 00:21:16.309 --> 00:21:20.555 isn't. Our problem in terms of scheduling is we have so many variables, it 00:21:20.588 --> 00:21:24.486 becomes a much looser process. However, that didn't stop us from, uh, 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:29.107 trying to schedule. So what we did the first year is 1972 that we did a 00:21:29.140 --> 00:21:33.446 schedule and it's still hanging in the Octagon, I think. Which it might 00:21:33.479 --> 00:21:37.285 give you some amusement to go and look at it. It was incredibly optimistic. 00:21:37.318 --> 00:21:41.545 So then what we did is that over 72 we got feedback which said this is 00:21:41.578 --> 00:21:45.325 ridiculous. Over the years, the schedule has become more accurate about 00:21:45.358 --> 00:21:49.565 the schedule for 1975 Brown says we have a fairly optimistic schedule 00:21:49.598 --> 00:21:52.996 again, but uh, it's optimistic, and as much as we know it's optimistic, 00:21:53.029 --> 00:21:56.456 whereas the other years we thought we were right on the money we have, uh 00:21:56.489 --> 00:22:01.256 , it's sort of two schedules. In a way, the first schedule is an ideal 00:22:01.289 --> 00:22:06.996 schedule, assuming that we get enough money to do it now, within that, uh 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:10.847 , schedule, we have a series of items that can be knocked out so that if 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.795 we don't get the money, we can reduce our overall work without, uh, 00:22:14.828 --> 00:22:18.045 completely disrupting everything. For example, we have a figure in of 00:22:18.078 --> 00:22:23.506 $25,000 for kitchen equipment. Now, if we get that money, then we can 00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:26.486 install that equipment. If we don't, we can still build the building 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:30.107 around it and try and put the equipment in next year. Up to this point, we 00:22:30.140 --> 00:22:34.065 haven't had any budgets at all. We just, for example, last year we just 00:22:34.098 --> 00:22:37.516 built until we ran out of money and they didn't bring us anything anymore. 00:22:37.549 --> 00:22:40.996 So we're going into a process which is called a ballooning budget, which 00:22:41.029 --> 00:22:46.137 is a A system whereby you you set your budget for one year. Uh, whatever 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:49.617 you don't get for that year, put that into the next year, which will lose 00:22:49.650 --> 00:22:53.726 that budget. So what we're trying to do for next year is we set out a 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:58.436 budget which I think was, uh, $270,000 00:22:58.469 --> 00:23:05.285 and something for, uh, materials, equipment and supplies. Wow, that's a 00:23:05.318 --> 00:23:11.585 pretty huge increase. Uh, we've done an assumption on our budget next year 00:23:11.618 --> 00:23:15.726 in terms of increasing at the same rate as it did the eight month first 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:20.545 eight months of this year. And if that happens, uh, we can get a certain 00:23:20.578 --> 00:23:25.726 percentage of that money. And but we still need an additional $150,000 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:29.266 of income to do all the things that we'd like to do next year. That's the 00:23:29.299 --> 00:23:32.627 budget figure that we'd like someone to go out. And if somebody said 00:23:32.660 --> 00:23:37.217 Here's 100 and $50,000 we know where we could spend it and we could. We 00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:41.325 know we could spend it now. The benefit of the project The budget this 00:23:41.358 --> 00:23:46.666 year, in terms of materials and supplies and equipment again was, uh, a 00:23:46.699 --> 00:23:51.276 around $90,000. That's a very approximate guess. There's also another 00:23:51.309 --> 00:23:56.006 factor in that in as much as the heavy equipment. The the 50 tonne Crane, 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.156 the batch plant and the back have all been bought by a guy called Skip 00:24:00.189 --> 00:24:05.397 Seger, who's the president of furniture manufacturing company, and he's 00:24:05.430 --> 00:24:09.597 bought them, and he's allowing us to use them and pay them off at a very 00:24:09.630 --> 00:24:13.785 low rate, which is to be $1000 a month. If we'd had to buy that equipment 00:24:13.818 --> 00:24:17.506 ourselves, it would probably have taken up a whole operating budget for 00:24:17.539 --> 00:24:22.035 this year. Next, we examine the educational aspect of the arson workshop. 00:24:22.068 --> 00:24:25.877 Many people expect it to be more of an educational institution than it is. 00:24:25.910 --> 00:24:29.746 Our facilities have not allowed us at this time to put too much emphasis 00:24:29.779 --> 00:24:34.656 on the teaching. So the intellectual life or the social life is utterly 00:24:34.689 --> 00:24:38.065 limited. It's almost non existent. An important part of the workshop 00:24:38.098 --> 00:24:42.976 experience is that weekly meetings, so he has, with all participants a 00:24:43.009 --> 00:24:46.065 basic understanding of what Solari is about, or even if he's read, you 00:24:46.098 --> 00:24:48.647 know, he's ploughed his way through matter, becoming spirit or sitting in 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.986 the image of man. But the point is, if you come here, um, I mean, like, 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:55.377 for example, I read a lot of that stuff. And yet I come I came here 00:24:55.410 --> 00:25:00.456 expecting, um, or hoping for clarification and and a real, you know, a 00:25:00.489 --> 00:25:05.555 real perspective on on on all of that which, um, that's what solar 00:25:05.588 --> 00:25:08.256 meetings are for. He's not gonna lecture. You have to ask the question, 00:25:08.289 --> 00:25:11.291 and that's what the whole thing is. If you come here with questions, he'll 00:25:11.324 --> 00:25:13.940 answer them to the best of his ability. And you can even ask him the same 00:25:13.973 --> 00:25:17.851 question every time. And he'll go into it every meeting. But that's what 00:25:17.884 --> 00:25:21.222 he comes here for. But nobody's you come here. This is a This is not a 00:25:21.255 --> 00:25:24.002 classroom experience. They also said that in the brochure, we are 00:25:24.035 --> 00:25:28.601 interested in augmenting the educational elements that we can offer here. 00:25:28.634 --> 00:25:34.565 And, uh, I think this will begin in 1975 and become much more obvious in 00:25:34.598 --> 00:25:39.887 1976. But still, the accent is on construction, and the learning process 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:46.776 has to be found. There fundamentally been doing pre casting, glazing and 00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:51.996 digging in the pit. Have any experience construction experience before you 00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:56.147 came here? No, it was pretty easy working in the pit. All I had to do was 00:25:56.180 --> 00:26:02.206 pick up a chisel and chisel rocks all the glazing. Um, I just followed Tim 00:26:02.239 --> 00:26:07.166 around for a while until I caught on to what he was doing and the same 00:26:07.199 --> 00:26:11.516 thing with Charlie. When I was doing pre casting, I was interested in that. 00:26:11.549 --> 00:26:15.315 So I asked her to work with him. That's what I really like doing the most 00:26:15.348 --> 00:26:21.035 carpentry. Mostly it's been a long time building forums and then, uh, 00:26:21.068 --> 00:26:25.305 finish carpentry. That's just up the hill and then just do all kinds of 00:26:25.338 --> 00:26:32.746 projects on my own cosmic kin. What kind of work? What kind of sunscreen 00:26:32.779 --> 00:26:36.666 have you been doing? Arco soI T shirts. This is what we've been working on 00:26:36.699 --> 00:26:44.699 for the whole six weeks. We poured £4250 concrete planners 7 ft six by 19. 00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:49.996 By 17. If we had a little more time, we'd plant them after the chain hut 00:26:50.029 --> 00:26:57.156 , our tonne and a half chain hoist that is, uh, used to roll over each of 00:26:57.189 --> 00:27:01.035 these flower pots because we cast them upside down. Other tasks on the 00:27:01.068 --> 00:27:05.535 site, such as welding, plumbing and operating, and maintaining the heavy 00:27:05.568 --> 00:27:09.555 equipment, tends to be done by staff members. 00:27:09.588 --> 00:27:13.585 John Sandgren a works hopper comments on the work scene as a whole. I 00:27:13.618 --> 00:27:17.236 think it's great. I have never seen anything like it before. People 00:27:17.269 --> 00:27:22.147 singing and whistling around the site is just phenomenal. Perhaps an 00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:25.766 outstanding example of the world to work is when a semi trailer load of 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:31.156 cement in £90 bags arrives on the site, everyone is marshalled to unload 00:27:31.189 --> 00:27:35.555 it into the cement shed. 00:27:35.588 --> 00:27:39.565 You just before work. 00:27:39.598 --> 00:27:45.176 What about? 00:27:45.209 --> 00:27:49.756 No, sir, I don't. I think it's a pretty good crew. That's what I think. 00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:52.956 You got a lot of people here. 00:27:52.989 --> 00:27:58.075 No, no. This is the first time I've been in here. No, they told me that I 00:27:58.108 --> 00:28:01.367 get unloaded pretty fast. They told me it would be by hand, though. Yeah, 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:05.026 they said that they'd get a bunch of people up here and really start going 00:28:05.059 --> 00:28:10.377 so far, You got to wait till the last bags in here. 00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:16.916 No, I'm scared. Who's got the last bag? 00:28:16.949 --> 00:28:21.996 I like to be the last bag. 00:28:22.029 --> 00:28:26.496 Is there a record pending or is there Is this all? What sort of prize do I 00:28:26.529 --> 00:28:30.805 win for being the last bag? 00:28:30.838 --> 00:28:37.347 The bag? Yeah, Come on, let go. 00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:44.426 Yeah, 00:28:44.459 --> 00:28:49.717 the day I think the people's will to work and to finish something that 00:28:49.750 --> 00:28:55.147 they have pride in is an advantage which you won't get in another 00:28:55.180 --> 00:29:00.617 construction site. Which, uh, that's one reason I'm glad I came. I've 00:29:00.650 --> 00:29:04.746 learned so much in just doing it much more than a book had ever tell me 00:29:04.779 --> 00:29:08.967 how to do. How do you feel about Paulo's relationship to to the 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.637 construction work? The fact that he's here quite a bit of the time, at 00:29:12.670 --> 00:29:16.825 least once a week is a very good thing, only because at this point in the 00:29:16.858 --> 00:29:21.295 archology growth, it's essential that he be here to to sort of oversee 00:29:21.328 --> 00:29:25.756 what's happening. And, uh, unfortunately, many times, even in the in the 00:29:25.789 --> 00:29:30.825 real world is like everyone seems to call it, Um, many. Some architects 00:29:30.858 --> 00:29:34.956 never even see the buildings that their their company has designed, and 00:29:34.989 --> 00:29:39.387 that is an architecture to me. So you you feel that it's it's good that 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:42.357 pard takes an interest in the smallest detail of the building. He's a 00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:47.347 visionary at heart, and, uh, these times, which he comes up to the site, 00:29:47.380 --> 00:29:53.236 sort of, uh, give him some reality to the vision that he's sort of built 00:29:53.269 --> 00:29:59.776 in his mind. And to see it being put into concrete and steel is, uh is a 00:29:59.809 --> 00:30:05.236 nice thing and that some maybe we will mould some of his ideas as to the, 00:30:05.269 --> 00:30:10.045 uh, the difficulty in building with this certain material and, uh, how it 00:30:10.078 --> 00:30:13.390 will work in the future in other arch.