WEBVTT 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.680 Good evening. Welcome to Horizon. I'm Michael Grant. Most of the world is 00:01:41.709 --> 00:01:45.007 focusing its attention on Seoul South Korea these days that of course, 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.897 where the 24 summer Olympic Games are being held tonight. We will look at 00:01:48.930 --> 00:01:53.326 South Korea for a different reason that Southeast Asian country is a haven 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.897 for American couples looking to adopt a child in a few minutes. We'll 00:01:56.930 --> 00:02:01.147 profile two Valley couples who adopt Children from overseas countries and 00:02:01.180 --> 00:02:05.066 we'll speak with an attorney who specializes in legal problems associated 00:02:05.099 --> 00:02:08.846 with adoption in general. But first, we'll update you on an interesting 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.566 political development in the East Valley. Normally when candidates are 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:17.585 defeated in the primary election, that is the end of their campaign or is 00:02:17.618 --> 00:02:21.797 it in last Tuesday's primary race? Representative Don Straw and Senator 00:02:21.830 --> 00:02:26.177 Jack Taylor. Both of mesa lost their bids for re election while their 00:02:26.210 --> 00:02:29.346 defeat prevents them from running for their respective offices in the 00:02:29.379 --> 00:02:34.846 November election. They may run for each other's legislative seat in order 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:39.436 to do so. They will need to turn in 253 valid signatures from registered 00:02:39.469 --> 00:02:43.186 voters who did not vote in the primary. Those signatures need to be into 00:02:43.219 --> 00:02:47.517 the Secretary of State's office by the end of business on Friday and Straw 00:02:47.550 --> 00:02:51.856 and Taylor, both Republicans would have to run as independents joining us 00:02:51.889 --> 00:02:56.677 this evening to discuss his political plans is Senator Jack Taylor. Also 00:02:56.710 --> 00:03:01.146 with me is Representative Don Stroll before we speak to them. We have this 00:03:01.179 --> 00:03:05.136 comment from State Attorney General Bob Corbyn on the legality of their 00:03:05.169 --> 00:03:09.866 office switch. It's a very close question, but we believe looking back at 00:03:09.899 --> 00:03:15.025 the history of the amendment to our statute in 1980 we believe that the 00:03:15.058 --> 00:03:19.386 way the statute is drafted, that the two individuals, Mr Taylor and Mr 00:03:19.419 --> 00:03:25.505 Strock can run as independents in the general election and that's our best 00:03:25.538 --> 00:03:29.066 legal interpretation of the matter at the present time. But we think that 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:32.835 we're still going to continue looking at the question because we probably 00:03:32.868 --> 00:03:36.677 have to defend a lawsuit on that in the near future. I'm sure somebody 00:03:36.710 --> 00:03:40.146 will bring an action as far as whether or not they can run as Republicans. 00:03:40.179 --> 00:03:44.745 The answer to that is no, they cannot run as Republicans. They can. We 00:03:44.778 --> 00:03:48.525 believe a state previously stated, run as independents in the general 00:03:48.558 --> 00:03:52.376 election for a different office other than the one they were defeated for 00:03:52.409 --> 00:03:56.457 in the primary election. Representative. I understand that you're still 00:03:56.490 --> 00:03:59.656 struggling with this concept. Haven't quite made up your mind. That's very 00:03:59.689 --> 00:04:04.327 , very true. I'm having very difficult problems making up my mind. It's 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:09.335 not an easy issue. For me, it's not an issue that I can quantify and put 00:04:09.368 --> 00:04:13.936 down specific numbers and say this will answer that question, that will 00:04:13.969 --> 00:04:16.687 answer the other question. I, I'm finding it very difficult to make a 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.336 question. What are that you've indicated though, that you'll make a 00:04:19.369 --> 00:04:22.916 decision by Wednesday. And in the meantime, I would assume that you've at 00:04:22.949 --> 00:04:26.476 least authorized the collecting of signatures. So you'd be in a position 00:04:26.509 --> 00:04:33.555 to proceed. Yes, if you do decide the best information we have, I think we 00:04:33.588 --> 00:04:37.325 probably have more than enough signatures. Right. At this exact moment. 00:04:37.358 --> 00:04:41.296 The people aren't working this last night of registration. So they're 00:04:41.329 --> 00:04:47.656 working. Yes, we are actively gathering signatures. But I'm, that's one 00:04:47.689 --> 00:04:51.637 barrier, the signatures. The attorney general's opinion was another 00:04:51.670 --> 00:04:57.197 barrier that dropped the ability to run and the ability to remain a 00:04:57.230 --> 00:05:02.717 Republican even though we would be as identified as independents. But it's 00:05:02.750 --> 00:05:06.217 been a strong believer in the two party system for many, many years. Am I 00:05:06.250 --> 00:05:11.286 circumventing the two party system? The election I did not believe was 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:18.226 representative of the 51,000 people who were registered voters in 29. Many 00:05:18.259 --> 00:05:22.356 things that I'm just uncertain of yet. Are you also concerned 00:05:22.389 --> 00:05:27.606 realistically about your future political plans? I suppose if you win in 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:33.447 November, maybe this becomes a moot question. But if you lose, do you fear 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:39.127 the repercussions from that? Yes, I'm being realistic. I do one of the 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:45.257 questions I ask myself and others. What effect will this have on any, if I 00:05:45.290 --> 00:05:50.776 have one future political career? It's not my major concern. However, 00:05:50.809 --> 00:05:54.236 because I think that could be overcome if I've done the proper thing in 00:05:54.269 --> 00:05:58.156 the beginning. Senator Taylor. Do I understand that there is a wonderful 00:05:58.189 --> 00:06:04.395 irony in this and that you get this idea from, uh, chief supporter of Max 00:06:04.428 --> 00:06:10.796 Hawkins. Yes. I, I listened to the radio and I think I saw on television, 00:06:10.829 --> 00:06:13.796 I'm pretty sure I saw it on television. I know I heard it on the radio 00:06:13.829 --> 00:06:19.717 that Max Hawkins was planning to, to put candidates into, in races that 00:06:19.750 --> 00:06:23.526 have certain incumbents who voted against Evan Me on the impeachment 00:06:23.559 --> 00:06:27.817 situation. So, I thought, well, gosh, if it's good for Max Hawkins and, 00:06:27.850 --> 00:06:32.176 and Mr Me, it ought to be good for Taylor and Straw. It's the strongest 00:06:32.209 --> 00:06:35.356 argument against radio interviews, I guess. I've, I've heard in a, in a 00:06:35.389 --> 00:06:41.507 long time, Senator Taylor. Why are you doing it? Well, I'm, uh, just like 00:06:41.540 --> 00:06:45.986 , uh, Don, uh, I feel just exactly like Don does if, I think the fact that 00:06:46.019 --> 00:06:53.116 we had a turnout of, of, uh, less than 30% of our people. And I feel also 00:06:53.149 --> 00:07:00.575 that, uh, our, uh, district 29 precinct chairman had loaded our district 00:07:00.608 --> 00:07:07.086 29 with me people and those people got out and worked three and four times 00:07:07.119 --> 00:07:12.137 a week. This is the internal party organization that the district 29 00:07:12.170 --> 00:07:16.226 internal party and the commit precinct committee members. Uh The, the 00:07:16.259 --> 00:07:21.036 chairman of the district 29 has the prerogative of appointing people to 00:07:21.069 --> 00:07:25.986 fill vacancies. And he even, I even understand that he uh asked for and 00:07:26.019 --> 00:07:29.226 they had, they were, he asked some people to resign so that he could 00:07:29.259 --> 00:07:32.926 appoint other people. So I I wasn't satisfied with that part in the 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.026 absence of a Democratic candidate, which there will be no, the speculation 00:07:38.059 --> 00:07:40.967 was on the Friday edition for what that is worth. It may be the curse of 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:46.895 death that this could be a very viable candidacy for the two of you. Is 00:07:46.928 --> 00:07:52.197 that a major contributing factor? The fact that you don't have to fear a 00:07:52.230 --> 00:07:56.926 three way split of the vote. I Schulz Warner and make him 86. I think it 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.575 was our decision was totally based on the fact that we did not have a 00:08:01.608 --> 00:08:08.176 Democratic candidate in the race. Absolutely. There are, I'm not sure what 00:08:08.209 --> 00:08:11.495 the total turnout was, but there are approximately 40,000 people 00:08:11.528 --> 00:08:15.846 registered in 29 have been disenfranchised because they will be unable to 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:21.336 vote for anyone in the general election. And it's one of the concerns that 00:08:21.369 --> 00:08:27.226 we Jack and I have, we felt the election was not truly a representative 00:08:27.259 --> 00:08:31.145 election of the belief of the majority of the citizens in 29. It's a 00:08:31.178 --> 00:08:36.765 rather vicious election and it's well and also both of you as former Mason 00:08:36.798 --> 00:08:42.326 mayors, we can presume fairly heavy name identification out in Mesa with a 00:08:42.359 --> 00:08:46.125 high turnout race and the presidential general election should be high 00:08:46.158 --> 00:08:50.986 turnout 75% or so. I would think that that would operate in both of your 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:56.667 favors as well. True. Absolutely. I think very definitely it would operate 00:08:56.700 --> 00:08:59.946 in our favor. I think we would get some, probably some Republican drop off. 00:08:59.979 --> 00:09:04.667 However, and that's a point that I wanted to bring up Senator Taylor. I 00:09:04.700 --> 00:09:09.047 think one of the things that hurt the Bill Schulz candidacy was a very 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:14.566 palpable, perhaps unstated feeling that hold on though, this, this, this 00:09:14.599 --> 00:09:19.476 really subverted the electoral process. I mean, Bill Schulz didn't do it 00:09:19.509 --> 00:09:24.596 the good old American way and the feeling was a lot of people kicked back 00:09:24.629 --> 00:09:28.167 from the candidacy because of that factor. Do you fear that element? Well 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:33.297 , of course, that's a definite possibility, Michael, that could, that 00:09:33.330 --> 00:09:38.326 could happen. But I believe that we can overcome it by the numbers. And as 00:09:38.359 --> 00:09:44.456 you say, from 75 to 85% will turn out for a presidential election. And I 00:09:44.489 --> 00:09:50.797 think there will be an adequate number there to offset that situation for 00:09:50.830 --> 00:09:54.625 spending and financing purposes. Is this a new race or is this an old race 00:09:54.658 --> 00:09:57.885 ? Anybody know the answer to that question? No one seems to know the 00:09:57.918 --> 00:10:01.255 answer at this moment. The only advice that we've had is from the 00:10:01.288 --> 00:10:05.467 Secretary of State and he says it's an old race there are legal, other 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:09.967 people with uh, legal opinions who say they believe it's a new race but 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.667 under prop 200 who knows? There are too many unanswered questions at this 00:10:13.700 --> 00:10:18.667 moment. I spoke to Mr She of Secretary of State's office this afternoon 00:10:18.700 --> 00:10:23.217 about the subject and, uh, he without hesitation said, well, it's a 00:10:23.250 --> 00:10:27.696 continuation of your original race. And I said, then why are you asking us 00:10:27.729 --> 00:10:32.856 to furnish uh, uh new financial statements in this case? And that kind of 00:10:32.889 --> 00:10:36.025 set him to thinking a little bit. And then we, when we got through talking 00:10:36.058 --> 00:10:40.246 , uh, he was going to call the attorney general again and see if he could 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.057 get his attention diverted into that situation. So he'd be prepared for it 00:10:44.090 --> 00:10:47.657 when the petitions are filed. I know both of you are over at the 00:10:47.690 --> 00:10:54.635 legislature today is the media overstating, the chaos that last Tuesday's 00:10:54.668 --> 00:10:58.255 results perhaps have reed over there with the loss of the speaker of the 00:10:58.288 --> 00:11:04.236 House, the Senate president, you Senator Taylor Don Straub Broughton, or 00:11:04.269 --> 00:11:10.135 do we have this one accurate for the first time in our lives? I'm not sure 00:11:10.168 --> 00:11:13.787 that it's being overstated and I'm not sure anyone really knows what the 00:11:13.820 --> 00:11:18.826 consequences are going to be of the election on Tuesday. 00:11:18.859 --> 00:11:21.746 Unprecedented. I don't think anything like this has ever happened in an 00:11:21.779 --> 00:11:26.467 election in Arizona. I think it was 62 the Democrats were having fights, 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:30.875 but I don't think it was this bad. So I'm not sure we have anything to 00:11:30.908 --> 00:11:36.025 compare it with Barry Goldwater though over the weekend. Said hold it 00:11:36.058 --> 00:11:40.287 Republican Party has always been like this and it's being overblown. What 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:44.496 do you think? Well, I think, I think that that is absolutely right. And I 00:11:44.529 --> 00:11:48.927 think we've got a great diversion in the, in the Republican Party and I 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.486 hope the again is that we aren't creating more of the diversion and maybe 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:57.816 hopefully it might present a an answer to the problem. All right, Senator 00:11:57.849 --> 00:12:02.167 Taylor, thank you very much for joining us. Representative. Uh ST uh we'll 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:07.596 know for sure on Wednesday. Ok. Coming up next on horizon, we will look at 00:12:07.629 --> 00:12:15.629 the joys and the difficulties of adopting a child. 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:39.667 Yeah, 00:12:39.700 --> 00:12:44.395 times have changed and so too has adoption in this country. Nowadays, 00:12:44.428 --> 00:12:47.667 there are fewer newborns to adopt because mothers are either keeping their 00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:51.797 babies or choosing abortion. So many couples are turning to foreign 00:12:51.830 --> 00:12:56.096 adoption to improve chances of having a newborn. Tonight, we profile two 00:12:56.129 --> 00:13:00.186 couples here in the valley who adopted Children from overseas and we learn 00:13:00.219 --> 00:13:04.706 why one particular country is very willing to work with the United States 00:13:04.739 --> 00:13:10.226 on adoptions. 00:13:10.259 --> 00:13:13.866 These two little girls were born in Korea but their home is now Scottsdale 00:13:13.899 --> 00:13:20.125 , Arizona. Carly is 3.5 years old. Krista is two. They were adopted by 00:13:20.158 --> 00:13:24.106 Terry and Marsha Turner who knew all along they wanted to adopt after 00:13:24.139 --> 00:13:28.307 having three Children of their own. But their decision to adopt Children 00:13:28.340 --> 00:13:32.066 with a different ethnic background was a family decision. And one that was 00:13:32.099 --> 00:13:37.047 carefully thought out, we talked a lot about it and it's a concern that 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.696 will be with us the rest of our lives. We're all going to learn and grow 00:13:39.729 --> 00:13:45.157 together. But we really believe in accepting people however they look for 00:13:45.190 --> 00:13:50.186 the way that they are and our kids have been raised that way and we're 00:13:50.219 --> 00:13:54.015 just trying to keep everyone open minded and you look at the inside of a 00:13:54.048 --> 00:13:57.746 person and a lot of people were very surprised and thought the older 00:13:57.779 --> 00:14:04.145 Children would be resentful. They were unquestionably the driving force 00:14:04.178 --> 00:14:09.625 behind our adopting the first and even more so the second 00:14:09.658 --> 00:14:14.326 Korea has worked with the US on adoptions for a number of reasons. One is 00:14:14.359 --> 00:14:18.417 because many Koreans don't believe in adopting other people's Children. 00:14:18.450 --> 00:14:22.746 Emily Sundy is the administrator for Dilan Southwest, an adoption agency 00:14:22.779 --> 00:14:26.797 in Scottsdale, which places Korean Children. The other thing is that in 00:14:26.830 --> 00:14:29.726 Korea, 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:34.407 there's a great deal of discrimination against the unmarried mother. And 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.797 it's probably similar to the situation we had in our country 50 or 60 00:14:37.830 --> 00:14:42.236 years ago where that's really not an ok situation. And it becomes a 00:14:42.269 --> 00:14:47.366 difficult situation for the mother, for the mother's extended family, for 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:52.255 the child, him or herself, couples who adopt from Korea get a first 00:14:52.288 --> 00:14:56.096 glimpse of their baby this way. Pictures and a history of the child are 00:14:56.129 --> 00:15:00.746 sent to the adoptive family for approval that says Marsha Turner is when 00:15:00.779 --> 00:15:05.775 the bond begins. So by the time the airport day arrives, you're madly in 00:15:05.808 --> 00:15:09.346 love with this child that you haven't seen. You know, and in some ways 00:15:09.379 --> 00:15:12.307 that is what's different than giving birth because you've carried the baby. 00:15:12.340 --> 00:15:15.557 But you don't have a lot of the information, you know, that we had 00:15:15.590 --> 00:15:19.956 already about weight and eye color, et cetera. So we really felt like we 00:15:19.989 --> 00:15:24.677 knew this little person and it was just like welcoming someone home. The 00:15:24.710 --> 00:15:30.125 Wells family agrees. Craig and Debbie adopted Lauren from Korea. Like many 00:15:30.158 --> 00:15:34.537 couples today not being able to conceive, wasn't going to stop them from 00:15:34.570 --> 00:15:39.217 making their dream come true. We just wanted to be parents so we had 00:15:39.250 --> 00:15:44.025 always had adoption as something that we wanted to do in life. Anyway, our 00:15:44.058 --> 00:15:48.686 plan was that we would have one or two of our own Children biologically 00:15:48.719 --> 00:15:55.157 and then we would adopt and when that didn't happen, ok, we'll just do the 00:15:55.190 --> 00:15:59.596 adoption and if some day we should ever get pregnant, that's great too for 00:15:59.629 --> 00:16:04.395 the Wells. And the Turners foreign Adoption was the way to go. It was a 00:16:04.428 --> 00:16:08.456 way to avoid the waiting list in this country and a way to give a needy 00:16:08.489 --> 00:16:13.167 child, a loving home. Joining me tonight to discuss some of the legal 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.875 problems involved with adopting a child is Michael Sullivan. Mr Sullivan 00:16:16.908 --> 00:16:20.177 is an attorney for the Southwest Adoption Center in Scottsdale, the 00:16:20.210 --> 00:16:25.037 largest private adoption agency in Arizona, Michael. Welcome to Horizon. 00:16:25.070 --> 00:16:30.515 We hear about these long waiting lists for newborns. How long are those 00:16:30.548 --> 00:16:36.047 lists? Well across the country, Mike, the some of the lists are as many as 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:40.895 5 to 10 years. About two million couples every year want to adopt. And 00:16:40.928 --> 00:16:46.895 we're talking about the typical newborn caucasian infant but some place 00:16:46.928 --> 00:16:51.326 between 40 and 200 couples out there across the country waiting for every 00:16:51.359 --> 00:16:56.395 available healthy newborn infant that's born. Is this increasing demand 00:16:56.428 --> 00:17:01.275 phenomena or a dwindling supply phenomena? Or perhaps actually, it's a 00:17:01.308 --> 00:17:07.065 little bit of both over the last 12 to 15 years, we've had a great 00:17:07.098 --> 00:17:11.397 increase in infertility today. My infertility doctors tell me that about 00:17:11.430 --> 00:17:15.285 one out of every five or six couples has a problem conceiving and having a 00:17:15.318 --> 00:17:20.805 child 10 or 15 years ago, that was one out of 20 couples on the side of 00:17:20.838 --> 00:17:26.246 adoptions. We have gone from the days when about 80% of all unwed mothers 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:32.016 would consider adoption as their option to a point. Now where 60% of all 00:17:32.049 --> 00:17:36.335 people who get pregnant terminate their pregnancy, that takes a large 00:17:36.368 --> 00:17:40.256 chunk of those who might have considered adoption out of the process and 00:17:40.289 --> 00:17:44.305 of those who go full term, we're looking at something in the neighborhood 00:17:44.338 --> 00:17:49.717 of about 95% who keep their Children. And that leaves a very, very small 00:17:49.750 --> 00:17:54.397 percentage of women and birth fathers who would consider adoption as a way 00:17:54.430 --> 00:17:58.776 of handling their pregnancy. We saw in the package that there are some 00:17:58.809 --> 00:18:04.825 obvious positives to foreign adoption, but there are negatives as well. 00:18:04.858 --> 00:18:09.117 What are those? Well, there's two ways to adopt a foreign child. One would 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:14.946 be to go through an agency that deals with foreign adoptions and they have 00:18:14.979 --> 00:18:18.075 already figured out how to do it the right way. And of course, I think 00:18:18.108 --> 00:18:23.097 that's probably the safest for most adoptive parents. But there are 00:18:23.130 --> 00:18:28.325 individuals who want to go to Colombia or South Korea or Thailand and do 00:18:28.358 --> 00:18:33.726 their own adoption and they may find someone who is willing to do that 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:38.647 adoption and go over on their own. And some of the horror stories that 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.156 I've been told by adoptive parents that you can get over to a foreign 00:18:42.189 --> 00:18:45.276 country on your own and find out that the rules that apply here in the 00:18:45.309 --> 00:18:50.325 United States simply don't exist in a foreign country longer waiting 00:18:50.358 --> 00:18:53.410 periods. You may think you're going to have a baby home in a month and it 00:18:53.443 --> 00:18:58.440 may be four months. You may have to grease palms and think it's going to 00:18:58.473 --> 00:19:02.492 cost you one set of a certain amount of money and it's much more expensive 00:19:02.525 --> 00:19:08.041 , I guess, perseverance is probably the biggest asset that a person has in 00:19:08.074 --> 00:19:12.196 adopting on their own in a foreign country. Not to mention all the red 00:19:12.229 --> 00:19:15.736 tape of getting Children across from a foreign country to the United 00:19:15.769 --> 00:19:21.857 States, you still have some problems even with agencies in the sense that 00:19:21.890 --> 00:19:25.746 you need to know what kind of prenatal care your birth parent in a foreign 00:19:25.779 --> 00:19:30.166 country is getting or, or who's been, which doctor has certified that the 00:19:30.199 --> 00:19:35.426 child is healthy in this circumstance? Do you adopt under the law of the 00:19:35.459 --> 00:19:40.305 country where you are and then transport the child or do you get 00:19:40.338 --> 00:19:43.406 permission to transport the child and adopt under the laws of this country 00:19:43.439 --> 00:19:48.045 , you're gonna adopt under the laws of this country, but you have to pass 00:19:48.078 --> 00:19:52.016 whatever, through whatever legal channels in the other country to get the 00:19:52.049 --> 00:19:57.897 baby outside the country. And that may mean that a court in Colombia that 00:19:57.930 --> 00:20:01.857 a judge has to rule that it's ok for the child to leave that country. And 00:20:01.890 --> 00:20:04.756 then when you bring the baby over here, you have to go through an entire a 00:20:04.789 --> 00:20:10.026 separate adoption proceeding here. Frankly, once you get a child to the 00:20:10.059 --> 00:20:15.107 United States, your problems are probably over because I haven't seen any 00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:21.315 judges send babies back to another country. If you want to adopt in this 00:20:21.348 --> 00:20:25.097 country, what are some of the requirements, age marital status? You know 00:20:25.130 --> 00:20:28.976 those kinds of things. Well, if you want to adopt in this country, I think 00:20:29.009 --> 00:20:35.526 that you have to be financially sound meaning that you can't be switching 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:41.436 jobs every three weeks, you have to probably have a stable marriage. 00:20:41.469 --> 00:20:47.446 Traditionally, adoption has been done by couples who are between 20 and 00:20:47.479 --> 00:20:51.347 40. But it doesn't mean that if you're 50 that you couldn't adopt, you 00:20:51.380 --> 00:20:54.607 have to have a source, someone who would be willing to place a child with 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:58.815 you as you get a little bit older. Do you have to be married? No, you can 00:20:58.848 --> 00:21:05.305 , you can be a single parent and do an adoption. That's not a norm. In 00:21:05.338 --> 00:21:10.156 fact, the kinds of things that we've done in the last few years, the norms 00:21:10.189 --> 00:21:14.335 that we've broken have been inter religious marriages, which are 00:21:14.368 --> 00:21:19.315 oftentimes, no nos and adoption, single parent, adoptions. People who are 00:21:19.348 --> 00:21:23.575 a little older than the traditional, those who have handicaps, those are 00:21:23.608 --> 00:21:28.956 all areas that are changing across the country. Ok, Michael Sullivan, 00:21:28.989 --> 00:21:31.805 thank you for joining us. I understand you have a book coming out on this 00:21:31.838 --> 00:21:34.835 topic. Sure. Do a complete guide to adoption. Simon and Schuster is 00:21:34.868 --> 00:21:38.967 publishing and it's coming out in a year. Ok. Thank you. Just ahead. Hat 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.877 Babbitt with her views on the economic and political problems of our south 00:21:42.910 --> 00:21:50.910 of the border neighbor. 00:22:08.269 --> 00:22:16.269 Yeah, 00:22:38.509 --> 00:22:41.706 our neighbor to the south has been going through some tough times, both 00:22:41.739 --> 00:22:45.367 politically and economically when Mexico has problems, it affects our 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:49.226 country as well. Tonight, guest commentator Hatty Babbitt offers her views 00:22:49.259 --> 00:22:53.736 on how the US can help its neighbor cope with these problems. MS Babe is a 00:22:53.769 --> 00:22:57.335 Phoenix attorney and the wife of former Democratic presidential candidate 00:22:57.368 --> 00:23:05.368 Bruce bat 00:23:05.588 --> 00:23:10.055 future is Americans unhappily. When our government looks south, it focuses 00:23:10.088 --> 00:23:13.686 only on Nicaragua, a country of three million people with whom we share no 00:23:13.719 --> 00:23:19.196 common border. But what about the giant to our immediate South Mexico, a 00:23:19.229 --> 00:23:23.367 country of 83 million people with whom this country shares a 2000 mile 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.736 border. And what about the historic near rejection of the ruling pr party 00:23:28.769 --> 00:23:33.186 in Mexico's recent presidential election? We in Arizona have long 00:23:33.219 --> 00:23:37.516 recognized the importance of Mexico. Our common border with Sonora gives 00:23:37.549 --> 00:23:41.555 us constant reminders of that hard fact that environmental pollutants 00:23:41.588 --> 00:23:46.535 don't stop at lines drawn on a map and that the devalued peso devastates 00:23:46.568 --> 00:23:51.506 Nogales Arizona as surely as it affects. Nogales. Sonora, their drug 00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:55.956 problem is our drug problem and their unemployment crisis is reflected by 00:23:55.989 --> 00:24:00.476 growing numbers of workers crossing north to support their families. On 00:24:00.509 --> 00:24:04.956 the positive side, the ethnic diversity of Arizona's population enriches 00:24:04.989 --> 00:24:09.496 our daily lives. This state has repeatedly recognized through cooperative 00:24:09.529 --> 00:24:13.746 efforts with Sonora that we are ready, willing and able to be good 00:24:13.779 --> 00:24:18.256 neighbors. The U of environmental research lab operating on the sea of 00:24:18.289 --> 00:24:23.565 Cortez is leading the way in developing halos capable of feeding millions 00:24:23.598 --> 00:24:27.746 from previously infertile land. The Arizona Mexico Border Health 00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:31.426 Foundation has worked hand in hand with doctors and nurses in Puerto 00:24:31.459 --> 00:24:36.516 Penasco to bring quality emergency medical care to that area. But the 00:24:36.549 --> 00:24:40.506 political and economic problems are much too large to be addressed by the 00:24:40.539 --> 00:24:45.666 border States themselves per capita income in Mexico is 1/10 of that in 00:24:45.699 --> 00:24:50.906 the US worse yet, it has declined by nearly 40% since the beginning of the 00:24:50.939 --> 00:24:57.496 crisis in 1982. Even more ominous, 50% of Mexico's population is under 18 00:24:57.529 --> 00:25:01.926 years of age. Even with reasonable birth control measures, the population 00:25:01.959 --> 00:25:07.467 growth will create demands for millions of jobs that just aren't there. 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:11.906 What can the United States do to enhance Mexico's chance of successfully 00:25:11.939 --> 00:25:16.367 coping with the economic and political upheaval, threatening its nation 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:22.926 and ours. There are three obvious steps. First, Mexico is being strangled 00:25:22.959 --> 00:25:27.825 by its foreign debt payments on its external debt, create a net flow of 00:25:27.858 --> 00:25:32.766 capital out of Mexico. Just when Mexico most needs investment for economic 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.416 recovery. The next United States administration must take a strong line in 00:25:37.449 --> 00:25:42.897 favor of action to reduce that debt. Second, we must protect the maquila 00:25:42.930 --> 00:25:47.785 industry by keeping our markets open. The maquila plants lining the border 00:25:47.818 --> 00:25:52.656 have created some 300,000 jobs in Mexico by allowing goods to be shipped 00:25:52.689 --> 00:25:57.097 to Mexico and re enter this country free of tariffs, but they haven't 00:25:57.130 --> 00:26:01.835 provided what Mexico really needs the seeds of modernization and real 00:26:01.868 --> 00:26:07.315 economic growth. How can Mexico initiate genuine entrepreneurial activity 00:26:07.348 --> 00:26:12.045 and move into the orbit of real industrial states? One answer may lie 00:26:12.078 --> 00:26:17.285 across the Pacific and Japan country bursting with capital and looking for 00:26:17.318 --> 00:26:21.936 overseas investment opportunity. Japan has both the resources and 00:26:21.969 --> 00:26:26.897 expertise. Mexico needs there's another reason for inviting the Japanese 00:26:26.930 --> 00:26:31.926 to help. Simply put there are limits beyond which the United States cannot 00:26:31.959 --> 00:26:36.946 go in Mexico limits imposed by a history of repeated military intervention 00:26:36.979 --> 00:26:42.446 and Mexican fear of American domination in a sense, we are as divided by 00:26:42.479 --> 00:26:48.285 history as we are united by geography. Assuming the Mexicans look to the 00:26:48.318 --> 00:26:52.335 Pacific, could the United States really ask Japan to become a major 00:26:52.368 --> 00:26:57.575 partner in Mexico? We certainly have the power to do so. Japan is ready to 00:26:57.608 --> 00:27:01.565 increase its direct investment in foreign aid. And it seems logical to ask 00:27:01.598 --> 00:27:05.377 the Japanese to pick up a role in one area where our very closeness is the 00:27:05.410 --> 00:27:10.736 source of many of our problems. A tri polar world on our southern border 00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:16.756 might be a very good thing for Mexico for Japan and for the United States. 00:27:16.789 --> 00:27:19.627 If you have any comments about Hattie's remarks or would like a 00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:22.897 transcript of her commentary, right to Hattie Babbitt channel eight 00:27:22.930 --> 00:27:28.617 television 10 p 85287. Last week, we featured local architect and planner 00:27:28.650 --> 00:27:33.035 Vernon Swab as a guest commentator, Verne told us why Arizona is such a 00:27:33.068 --> 00:27:36.785 unique place to live. In response to those remarks, Viewer from Mesa had 00:27:36.818 --> 00:27:41.035 this to say this should be required public reading at every city and 00:27:41.068 --> 00:27:45.206 county meeting as an old native. I am most distressed that we not only 00:27:45.239 --> 00:27:50.006 rape our desert, we rush hell bent into providing a sameness that will 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.986 make us. But another New York City tomorrow on Horizon commentator Janet 00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:58.406 Boomers Back will be here with her thoughts on the somewhat low of voter 00:27:58.439 --> 00:28:02.315 turnout for the primary election. Thanks for being here on a Monday. I'm 00:28:02.348 --> 00:28:10.348 Michael Grant. Have a pleasant one. 00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:43.426 If you have comments regarding this evening's Horizon program, send them 00:28:43.459 --> 00:28:49.969 to Horizon Channel eight Television, Arizona State University 10 P 85287.