WEBVTT 00:00:01.570 --> 00:00:09.075 Department. 00:00:09.108 --> 00:00:13.777 Is that just a preview of what they're gonna run? Representative Giordano. 00:00:13.810 --> 00:00:17.125 Can you hear me? This is Phyllis. Yes. How you doing? Welcome back again. 00:00:17.158 --> 00:00:20.535 I'm doing fine. I just wanted to let you know, I don't know if you heard 00:00:20.568 --> 00:00:25.706 that, but we were just practicing right there. That's what I thought. So, 00:00:25.739 --> 00:00:30.217 we'll be coming with you. And, um, what is the status of the bill? Can you 00:00:30.250 --> 00:00:37.097 tell me right now? I think, I think it was passed by the Senate Judiciary 00:00:37.130 --> 00:00:40.496 Committee. It passed the house and I think it's finally been heard by the 00:00:40.529 --> 00:00:45.046 Senate judiciary committee and passed, but I'm not sure about that frankly. 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:49.815 Ok, but it's still moving through the Senate, right? We can say that it's 00:00:49.848 --> 00:00:54.445 in the Senate. Ok. Well, we'll be, uh, we'll be with you in about a minute 00:00:54.478 --> 00:01:02.478 or so. 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:40.236 Good evening. Welcome to Horizon Michael Grant is off tonight. I'm Phyllis 00:01:40.269 --> 00:01:44.266 Palaio. There are more prisoners in Arizona than there is room to house 00:01:44.299 --> 00:01:49.245 them to make matters worse. The cost of housing convicts is skyrocketing. 00:01:49.278 --> 00:01:53.117 So how are these problems going to be solved? One answer might lie in a 00:01:53.150 --> 00:01:57.385 program called intensive probation supervision in a few minutes, we will 00:01:57.418 --> 00:02:00.727 show you how it works and what impact it has had on the state's 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:06.266 corrections system. But first, it was a sad day for Phoenix police today. 00:02:06.299 --> 00:02:10.245 Officer Kenneth Collings was buried. Collins was killed as he tried to 00:02:10.278 --> 00:02:14.725 chase two bank robbers in Phoenix last Friday. However, before collins' 00:02:14.758 --> 00:02:19.327 murder, lawmakers were discussing a measure dubbed the cop killer bill 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:24.305 with me to discuss House Bill. 2089 is Representative Gary Giordano. 00:02:24.338 --> 00:02:28.416 Representative Giordano is a member of the House Judiciary Committee and 00:02:28.449 --> 00:02:32.816 he represents district 24 in the Phoenix area before we speak with our 00:02:32.849 --> 00:02:37.936 guest though we have this background report. It was a solemn day for the 00:02:37.969 --> 00:02:43.767 Phoenix Police Department as one of its own was laid to rest. 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:48.275 Funeral services were held today for Officer Kenneth Collins. The eight 00:02:48.308 --> 00:02:52.186 year veteran of the Phoenix police was gunned down last week as he tried 00:02:52.219 --> 00:02:57.202 to stop two bank robbers in West Phoenix. Collins was working off duty as 00:02:57.235 --> 00:03:01.642 a security guard for the bank. His loss was felt by hundreds of friends, 00:03:01.675 --> 00:03:06.400 relatives and fellow police officers who crowded into ST Simon and Jude 00:03:06.433 --> 00:03:14.136 Cathedral. 00:03:14.169 --> 00:03:22.169 No greater gift. You k was spit and Polish and commanding presence. 00:03:22.819 --> 00:03:28.275 He was strong in his beliefs. He had gentle in application. 00:03:28.308 --> 00:03:31.856 He loved being a member of the Marine Corps. He loved being a Phoenix 00:03:31.889 --> 00:03:37.696 police officer. He excelled in both. Ironically, Col's death came on the 00:03:37.729 --> 00:03:42.017 very day, the Arizona legislature resolved to pass a measure allowing 00:03:42.050 --> 00:03:45.495 judges to consider the death sentence for those people convicted of 00:03:45.528 --> 00:03:49.846 murdering an officer of the peace. The death penalty would apply to cases 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.547 where the killer knew or would have had reason to believe the victim was 00:03:53.580 --> 00:03:58.335 an officer of the law. Supporters of the so called cop killer Bill House 00:03:58.368 --> 00:04:02.616 Bill 2089 say the murder of a police officer is one of the most heinous 00:04:02.649 --> 00:04:07.596 crimes one can commit. But the new legislation may eventually lead to laws 00:04:07.629 --> 00:04:12.225 requiring similar sentences for those that take the lives of civilians as 00:04:12.258 --> 00:04:16.736 well. Representative Jim White is one of the sponsors of the bill. If 00:04:16.769 --> 00:04:22.026 we're going to impose the death penalty for a person committing this kind 00:04:22.059 --> 00:04:25.757 of crime, then it not apply to everyday citizens, store owners, business 00:04:25.790 --> 00:04:30.947 people and, and anyone else, whatever the outcome in the legislature, it 00:04:30.980 --> 00:04:36.067 may be too late to have an impact on this latest case of a local officer 00:04:36.100 --> 00:04:41.086 killed in the line of duty. Representative Giardino. Can you tell us 00:04:41.119 --> 00:04:49.119 specifically what the bill calls for the Bills lists as under the statutes 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:55.757 of aggravating circumstances. The fact that if someone who kills a police 00:04:55.790 --> 00:05:01.046 officer or a law enforcement individual in the line of duty, that that can 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:06.437 be considered an aggravating circumstance for purposes of sentencing, the 00:05:06.470 --> 00:05:10.086 bottom line of which would mean that the death penalty or life in prison 00:05:10.119 --> 00:05:14.736 could be ordered by the judge. Are there any laws now regarding the 00:05:14.769 --> 00:05:19.776 killing of police officers? There's none in this regard, obviously that 00:05:19.809 --> 00:05:24.836 would stipulate that if you do take the life of a law enforcement police 00:05:24.869 --> 00:05:29.305 officer in the line of duty, that you'd have the possibility of the death 00:05:29.338 --> 00:05:34.286 sentence. Why does the legislature feel that a murder of a police officer 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.596 should be put in a special category? I think the feeling is certainly my 00:05:38.629 --> 00:05:43.455 feeling would be as one of the sponsors of this bill that when we ask 00:05:43.488 --> 00:05:46.495 people to put their lives on the line, when we ask them to be the first 00:05:46.528 --> 00:05:50.606 line of defense against the criminal element in our society, that we need 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:54.637 to give them all the protection that we can, that in effect, they 00:05:54.670 --> 00:06:01.325 represent us and that we consider it a very serious matter when they, when 00:06:01.358 --> 00:06:06.526 someone out there would shoot or try to maim one of those police officers. 00:06:06.559 --> 00:06:10.616 And I think it's indicative of our society if we send a message to the 00:06:10.649 --> 00:06:15.877 criminal element that we will not tolerate shooting at a police officer 00:06:15.910 --> 00:06:20.015 when he's performing his duties. But that raises the question is the life 00:06:20.048 --> 00:06:24.757 of a police officer any more important than your life or my life or that 00:06:24.790 --> 00:06:29.007 of someone's child. Well, there are those including myself who would think 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.717 that the death penalty should be extended in a number of areas, certainly 00:06:32.750 --> 00:06:37.166 including any heinous or vicious crimes. I think some people would look 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:42.106 upon this bill as kind of the foot in the door to expand those areas where 00:06:42.139 --> 00:06:47.046 the death penalty or life imprisonment should apply. I think on that basis 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:52.325 , it is worthy of support. But even if it wasn't again, I think that those 00:06:52.358 --> 00:06:58.026 police officers, those law enforcement people who are out there protecting 00:06:58.059 --> 00:07:01.947 the public from the criminal element need the kind of protection and the 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:05.317 signal that I think that this bill sends. Do you believe that this will 00:07:05.350 --> 00:07:09.555 act as a deterrent to people who might consider or be in the situation of 00:07:09.588 --> 00:07:14.616 killing a police officer? I think it should. I think there's been in the 00:07:14.649 --> 00:07:20.817 past conflicting evidence from groups like the ac and others that perhaps 00:07:20.850 --> 00:07:24.817 there is no deterrent, but I'm not sure that I agree with that. I think 00:07:24.850 --> 00:07:28.736 the word can get around on the street pretty quickly that when someone is 00:07:28.769 --> 00:07:34.336 in uniform and doing his duty as a peace officer that if you attempt to 00:07:34.369 --> 00:07:39.726 cause any harm or maim him and you wind up killing him, that there are 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:44.075 dire consequences for that. I think for us not to do that sends certainly 00:07:44.108 --> 00:07:47.586 the wrong signals to those people. But how much of a deterrent is it 00:07:47.619 --> 00:07:50.786 really when you consider that no one really has been executed in this 00:07:50.819 --> 00:07:56.046 state for years. That is a problem which hopefully with a different 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:02.687 mindset, at least with our judiciary could change. I think the people of 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:07.286 this state want to see in certain situations, I'm sure in this one and 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.606 again, in heinous crimes, that, that be an option that the court used that 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:16.437 we don't continue to allow people who are repetitive offenders and kill 00:08:16.470 --> 00:08:20.447 individuals including police officers to just sit in jail at the 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.226 taxpayer's expense that if it is warranted, if they are repetitive, if 00:08:24.259 --> 00:08:29.205 they've committed premeditated heinous crime, that the death penalty is a 00:08:29.238 --> 00:08:33.696 viable option. And I think as a society, that's the kind of message we 00:08:33.729 --> 00:08:37.297 need to send to these individuals. And the bill calls for either life 00:08:37.330 --> 00:08:41.316 imprisonment or the death penalty under which circumstances would they be 00:08:41.349 --> 00:08:45.157 sentenced to one or the other? I think under the present law, which again 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:49.456 , this is just amending to include the police officers. The discretion is 00:08:49.489 --> 00:08:54.177 really up to the court. There is some binding language concerning the age 00:08:54.210 --> 00:08:59.976 of the individual who commits the crime in so far as how long if it is 00:09:00.009 --> 00:09:03.875 life in prison and how long of a time frame they'd have to serve before 00:09:03.908 --> 00:09:08.927 there's a potential for parole. I think the minimum in all cases is 25 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.667 years. 00:09:11.700 --> 00:09:15.856 But I think under this bill and under the present law, whenever the 00:09:15.889 --> 00:09:19.996 aggravating circumstances are looked at it's up to the court to make those 00:09:20.029 --> 00:09:24.217 decisions. One of the provisions of the bill mentions the fact that the 00:09:24.250 --> 00:09:29.726 suspect knowing that the victim was a police officer. How does that read 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:34.996 the language I think was that the individual knew or had reason to know 00:09:35.029 --> 00:09:40.667 that this was a police officer performing his duties. There was a bill 00:09:40.700 --> 00:09:45.986 last year that was held in the Senate that just applied to peace officers. 00:09:46.019 --> 00:09:50.186 But it didn't differentiate between those who are on duty or off duty. 00:09:50.219 --> 00:09:54.236 And this is explicit in so far as applying only to someone whose life is 00:09:54.269 --> 00:09:58.826 taken while he's performing his duties. What about undercover police 00:09:58.859 --> 00:10:03.586 officers or detectives that are not readily identifiable as police? My 00:10:03.619 --> 00:10:08.047 understanding of the language is that it would apply to them too. If the 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:12.667 individual knew or had reason to know that they were working, they were on 00:10:12.700 --> 00:10:16.885 duty. And again, that's up to the courts to decide from hearing all the 00:10:16.918 --> 00:10:20.677 evidence. Right? Representative Giordano, we thank you for joining us once 00:10:20.710 --> 00:10:25.677 again on horizon. Thank you and still to come on horizon, a money saving 00:10:25.710 --> 00:10:33.710 alternative for convicts headed for the state prison. 00:11:22.298 --> 00:11:26.385 The Arizona Correctional system faces a conflict in priorities. On one 00:11:26.418 --> 00:11:29.797 hand, it has to prepare for an inevitable rise in crime that will 00:11:29.830 --> 00:11:33.775 naturally accompany a growing state. On the other hand, the process of 00:11:33.808 --> 00:11:38.566 building and staffing new prisons is becoming prohibitively expensive with 00:11:38.599 --> 00:11:43.246 projected costs ranging in the hundreds of millions of dollars. One way to 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.846 relieve the strain on the correctional system is by using intensive 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:51.116 probation supervision. This special program was developed three years ago 00:11:51.149 --> 00:11:55.206 by the Arizona legislature and is administered by the Arizona Supreme 00:11:55.239 --> 00:12:00.427 Court. The goal to divert serious but nonviolent offenders from an already 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:04.866 overcrowded prison system. When you think about the question of building 00:12:04.899 --> 00:12:09.696 more prisons, consider these facts over the next five years. Arizona's 00:12:09.729 --> 00:12:14.677 prisons will be bulging with another 4000 inmates that would put prisoner 00:12:14.710 --> 00:12:19.696 numbers over the 11,000 mark equal to a small city about the size of a 00:12:19.729 --> 00:12:26.096 patchy junction providing that space will cost $120 million an amount that 00:12:26.129 --> 00:12:30.186 would be more than enough to cover four years tuition for every resident 00:12:30.219 --> 00:12:35.566 student at Arizona State University. Add to that another $56 million a 00:12:35.599 --> 00:12:40.657 year for the 2000 new prison employees needed to run them. And pretty soon 00:12:40.690 --> 00:12:45.645 you are talking about big money. One way of avoiding financial disaster 00:12:45.678 --> 00:12:50.177 while keeping the public safe is to allow certain non violent inmates to 00:12:50.210 --> 00:12:54.505 remain at home. Under a program of intensive probation. Under the program 00:12:54.538 --> 00:12:58.917 , both adult and juvenile offenders are subject to close supervision by 00:12:58.950 --> 00:13:04.456 their probation officers. Juvenile intensive probation is a program which 00:13:04.489 --> 00:13:09.167 is set up for your high risk kids. 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.037 It is a program that keeps them out of the Department of Corrections. It's 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:19.375 a program that will help the parent as well as the juvenile and it's a 00:13:19.408 --> 00:13:24.826 benefit to the public to get a feel for the way IPs works. We were 00:13:24.859 --> 00:13:28.366 permitted to interview a probation officer currently supervising a 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.356 juvenile with his mother present. All are residents of the city of Globe. 00:13:33.389 --> 00:13:37.307 The officer Bill Stanton has been supervising Wayne for the past two 00:13:37.340 --> 00:13:43.417 years. Wayne is 16. We asked him what the program has done for him. Well, 00:13:43.450 --> 00:13:47.645 mostly for the good, 00:13:47.678 --> 00:13:50.986 they really needed some direction. 00:13:51.019 --> 00:13:55.167 I usually stay home anyway, but they tell me stay home unless you have 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.125 permission from your probation officer. But I usually stay home anyway. 00:13:58.158 --> 00:14:04.316 But lots of times I have to ask my probation officer I can go to if I can 00:14:04.349 --> 00:14:09.866 go to the show. Usually he says yes, but still have to ask him anyway. I 00:14:09.899 --> 00:14:14.635 can't just go out and do whatever I want. 00:14:14.668 --> 00:14:20.265 But other than that, it's been real nice. It hasn't really bothered me 00:14:20.298 --> 00:14:25.375 that much when a juvenile is placed on intensive supervision by the court 00:14:25.408 --> 00:14:30.086 , the probation officer will sit down with the family and with the 00:14:30.119 --> 00:14:36.226 juvenile, we'll sit down and we'll explain the rules, what is expected of 00:14:36.259 --> 00:14:40.356 them. What I expect them to do, I'll speak with them and ask them what 00:14:40.389 --> 00:14:46.346 they expect of me as far as I'm concerned. It's a two way street, you can 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:50.936 tell the family and the kids what you want them to do. But if you don't 00:14:50.969 --> 00:14:54.346 give them some feedback and let them know what you were there for, to help 00:14:54.379 --> 00:14:57.576 what you're there to help them or what you're going to give them, then 00:14:57.609 --> 00:15:01.936 you're not going to get too much cooperation while being supervised. Isn't 00:15:01.969 --> 00:15:06.356 fun for Wayne. It's better than the alternative. 00:15:06.389 --> 00:15:14.389 Yes. Getting him help was difficult. But on the road now, to him getting 00:15:14.798 --> 00:15:17.316 better, it's, 00:15:17.349 --> 00:15:21.775 it's really nice. Now, I don't have to be afraid that he's going to be 00:15:21.808 --> 00:15:27.736 shipped off somewhere. Yeah, much better. I'd rather have bill coming over 00:15:27.769 --> 00:15:32.456 to my house every night than having a guard come around my cell every day. 00:15:32.489 --> 00:15:36.746 Joining me this evening is Dan Prince. Dan is a specialist in probation 00:15:36.779 --> 00:15:40.326 programs for the Arizona Supreme Court and he'll shed some more light on 00:15:40.359 --> 00:15:44.486 this fairly new program and the impact it has had on criminals and on the 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.326 correction system. Welcome to Horizon Dan. Glad to be here. Now, we just 00:15:48.359 --> 00:15:51.606 saw a little bit about the juvenile intensive probation program. There is 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.525 an adult probation program as well. How long have both of these been in 00:15:55.558 --> 00:16:00.787 effect? The adult program was instituted in 1985 July of 1985. So we're 00:16:00.820 --> 00:16:04.537 coming up to three years and the Juvenile intensive Probation program was 00:16:04.570 --> 00:16:09.177 begun in January of 1987. What brought these both about? Well, the 00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:13.366 legislature I believe was reacting to a lot of feelings on the part of the 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:17.566 citizenry that there needed to be some tougher consequences for young 00:16:17.599 --> 00:16:23.086 people involved in serious offenses. But at the same time, they recognized 00:16:23.119 --> 00:16:28.486 the need to reduce the bed space at an already overcrowded department of 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:33.436 Corrections, freeing up for more serious offenders. The truly dangerous 00:16:33.469 --> 00:16:37.167 and violent offenders. Now, how does the juvenile intensive probation 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.616 program differ from the adult program in the juvenile intensive probation 00:16:41.649 --> 00:16:46.106 program? We're dealing with young people naturally under the age of 18. 00:16:46.139 --> 00:16:51.307 And there are more factors to consider relative to other individuals that 00:16:51.340 --> 00:16:57.356 impact a juvenile's life. Teachers at school, family members, parents 00:16:57.389 --> 00:17:01.217 treatment agencies. In the adult program, there is more emphasis on 00:17:01.250 --> 00:17:04.565 dealing directly with the offender rather than other individuals who may 00:17:04.598 --> 00:17:09.847 impact significantly on a juvenile. Now, who is eligible within both of 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:15.916 these in the adult program. Probation eligible class 45 and six offenders 00:17:15.949 --> 00:17:20.897 , which are, these are the less dangerous offenders, those convicted of 00:17:20.930 --> 00:17:25.147 offenses that don't involve personal injury or use of weapons. They are 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:28.634 the prime, they make up the prime candidate for the program and the 00:17:28.667 --> 00:17:31.995 juvenile intensive probation program. We're looking at young people who 00:17:32.028 --> 00:17:36.085 would otherwise be committed to the Department of Corrections if it wasn't 00:17:36.118 --> 00:17:40.415 for this program and they generally have a history of at least three prior 00:17:40.448 --> 00:17:44.895 referrals within the year. Specifically. How does it work? What 00:17:44.928 --> 00:17:48.915 restrictions, what limitations do they face? Where are they located during 00:17:48.948 --> 00:17:52.645 this time? In the juvenile program? Young people placed under juvenile 00:17:52.678 --> 00:17:59.045 intensive supervision must to complete a 32 hour week, perform community 00:17:59.078 --> 00:18:04.206 service, attend school regularly without missing any classes work or be 00:18:04.239 --> 00:18:07.246 involved in a program of court order treatment, for instance, drug and 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.426 alcohol rehabilitation if they have a substance abuse problem. Now, what 00:18:12.459 --> 00:18:15.617 about anything they choose to do aside from that, if they meet all of that 00:18:15.650 --> 00:18:20.857 criteria, are they free to go out and do other activities? Not necessarily 00:18:20.890 --> 00:18:25.075 , the program is predicated on the notion that young people will remain at 00:18:25.108 --> 00:18:29.535 home in the company of their parents unless specific permission is granted 00:18:29.568 --> 00:18:32.785 in each instance by the supervising probation officer, essentially, it's 00:18:32.818 --> 00:18:36.976 house arrest and the adult program is similar as well. But might that be 00:18:37.009 --> 00:18:42.266 granted if the juvenile wanted to go somewhere? A special event, a prom at 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:45.176 school, whatever they might be interested in, would that be something 00:18:45.209 --> 00:18:47.916 that's likely granted to someone on intensive probation? It would 00:18:47.949 --> 00:18:50.686 depending on how well they've progressed in the program. If they've made 00:18:50.719 --> 00:18:53.967 good progress in school, if they have observed all the conditions of 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.916 probation, then the probation officer may determine that they may attend a 00:18:57.949 --> 00:19:01.795 special event. Yes. What has been the rate of success so far in the 00:19:01.828 --> 00:19:06.137 program? In the juvenile program? We're looking at a success rate close to 00:19:06.170 --> 00:19:11.045 80%. In other words, 20% of the young people involved in the program have 00:19:11.078 --> 00:19:15.325 been brought back before the sentencing judge, juvenile court, judge and 00:19:15.358 --> 00:19:19.367 sent to the Department of Correction. Their probation has been violated 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:24.986 are juveniles though really responsible enough to work. Well, in this type 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:29.986 of a program, we think they are. We also think that by having the 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:34.486 probation officer more actively involved in the supervision as opposed to 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.147 traditional probation where a young person might come in and see a p once 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:41.746 a month in the office by having the po go out into the community into the 00:19:41.779 --> 00:19:45.906 home, a much more intrusive form of probation. They get more involved in 00:19:45.939 --> 00:19:49.085 that young person's life. They become a significant other to that 00:19:49.118 --> 00:19:53.496 individual. And we feel that that relationship is really the crux of the 00:19:53.529 --> 00:19:57.877 success of the program. The taped report that we saw prior to starting the 00:19:57.910 --> 00:20:01.565 interview mentioned a cost savings to the public. What kind of a cost 00:20:01.598 --> 00:20:04.585 savings are we talking about? The best estimate suggests that it costs in 00:20:04.618 --> 00:20:08.946 the neighborhood of $25,000 a year to house a young person at the 00:20:08.979 --> 00:20:12.976 Department of Corrections in this program, our approximate costs are 00:20:13.009 --> 00:20:18.867 running less than $5000 per year per probationer aside from financial, are 00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:22.617 there any other benefits to the to the community? I feel that there are 00:20:22.650 --> 00:20:26.805 significant benefits Phyllis. I think that number one, these young people 00:20:26.838 --> 00:20:29.676 are performing valuable community service. They're involved in clean up 00:20:29.709 --> 00:20:35.585 operations and parks and streets. They also are remaining in school and 00:20:35.618 --> 00:20:38.887 hopefully getting an education and becoming useful citizens. Young people 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.617 are our future and the program really recognizes that and stresses the 00:20:42.650 --> 00:20:47.387 importance of education. What do you say to critics who say that this is 00:20:47.420 --> 00:20:51.246 just kind of easy time for a kid who might otherwise be put in jail and 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:55.206 behind bars. What I would say is having a probation officer come into my 00:20:55.239 --> 00:21:01.996 home at midnight or possibly another late hour of the evening interrupt my 00:21:02.029 --> 00:21:07.696 family ask me to submit to a drug or urine test, search my property if 00:21:07.729 --> 00:21:12.147 necessary without probable cause. Just by virtue of being in the program 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:16.456 is really not a cakewalk. I consider that to be rather stringent is the 00:21:16.489 --> 00:21:20.147 purpose of it though, for punishment or for rehabilitation? And is that 00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:26.637 done better in the house arrest type of situation versus a locked up? We 00:21:26.670 --> 00:21:30.926 strive to achieve a balance between control on the one hand and 00:21:30.959 --> 00:21:34.535 rehabilitation on the other, the same probation officer who may be 00:21:34.568 --> 00:21:39.357 demanding a drug test of that young person or coming over at a late hour 00:21:39.390 --> 00:21:42.377 to make sure that he or she is where they're supposed to be, might turn 00:21:42.410 --> 00:21:45.367 around the next day and involve that young person in a therapeutic 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:49.967 counseling session or take them to a ball game. We really try to meet the 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:54.256 child's needs in a balanced type of approach briefly. Do you see this as 00:21:54.289 --> 00:21:57.617 something that will be expanded in the future? Hopefully, we will be 00:21:57.650 --> 00:22:00.706 expanding a number of counties have indicated to us that their success 00:22:00.739 --> 00:22:04.335 with the program has been good and they're looking to bring on new 00:22:04.368 --> 00:22:08.867 officers. Ok. Well, Dan Prince, we thank you for joining us. Pleasure 00:22:08.900 --> 00:22:12.926 being here. I appreciate the opportunity coming up next. We'll show you 00:22:12.959 --> 00:22:20.959 the second love of one of Arizona's celebrated architects. 00:23:15.469 --> 00:23:19.416 There's nothing like the sound from a wind bell. It has a calming effect 00:23:19.449 --> 00:23:23.676 while reminding you of nature's energy. Here in Arizona, there's an artist 00:23:23.709 --> 00:23:28.065 known for his Wind Bells. His name is Paolo Soleri. While you may know of 00:23:28.098 --> 00:23:32.276 his success as an architect in building Arcos Sante, an energy efficient 00:23:32.309 --> 00:23:36.305 city north of Phoenix. Others around the world recognize his talent for 00:23:36.338 --> 00:23:43.055 making bows. 00:23:43.088 --> 00:23:47.766 These are the Wind Bells of Palo Soleri. They were first created in the 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:53.446 1950 s under a unique circumstance. Soleri at the time was selling clay 00:23:53.479 --> 00:23:58.597 pots like this one in Santa Fe, New Mexico. When a bell designer's death 00:23:58.630 --> 00:24:05.217 opened a new door for him. He was making Korean wind bells, ceramics, 00:24:05.250 --> 00:24:12.107 traditional Korean wind bells and he had some outlets in Santa Fe. But one 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:17.696 or two months before we moved in Santa Fe, he died in a car accident. So 00:24:17.729 --> 00:24:21.486 there were those shops that were looking for someone to carry on with the 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:28.627 bells. So they asked us and after thinking a little bit said, well, maybe 00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:33.186 we can come up with some ideas, some designs, our designs. So that's what 00:24:33.219 --> 00:24:38.026 we did today. Soleri still makes ceramic wind bells, but it's the bronze 00:24:38.059 --> 00:24:43.446 bells that are in demand here at the Caste Foundry in Scottsdale, 100 00:24:43.479 --> 00:24:48.565 bells a day are produced. Many are shipped around the world. A lot of care 00:24:48.598 --> 00:24:53.585 goes into making a Solari bell. The process. As you'll see is quite simple. 00:24:53.618 --> 00:24:58.565 Casters begin with an aluminum pattern designed by Soleri. The pattern is 00:24:58.598 --> 00:25:04.986 placed in a molding box which is then packed with sand. 00:25:05.019 --> 00:25:09.406 Once the sand is compressed, the aluminum pattern is removed and finishing 00:25:09.439 --> 00:25:14.117 touches are applied to the sand mold. The bell first receives the Soleri 00:25:14.150 --> 00:25:19.526 stamp and then it's decorated with lines and patterns. Next. The sand mold 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:25.456 is prepared for the bronze which is heated to 2500 F. Before pouring 00:25:25.489 --> 00:25:30.217 bronze is an ideal medal for bell making. Says Hannis Garrett, the foreman 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:34.967 of the coati foundry. It always will ring. We've tried brass. They used to 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:40.637 pour in brass, but you couldn't get a precise bell and the ringing quality 00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:45.022 with the that we use. Now you'll always have a bell that rings after 20 00:25:45.055 --> 00:25:49.752 minutes, the sand is removed and a bronze Soleri bell is revealed. But an 00:25:49.785 --> 00:25:54.710 important process still remains. Once the bell is assembled for hanging, 00:25:54.743 --> 00:26:00.397 it's placed in an acid bath. This gives the bell its patina or finish. The 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:04.426 bells are then sprayed with water and covered with burlap as the bell 00:26:04.459 --> 00:26:08.936 dries. It's up to where it was laying, how the burlap was touching it, how 00:26:08.969 --> 00:26:13.597 wet or dry it was and how the atmospheric conditions as to how it dries. 00:26:13.630 --> 00:26:18.347 And that decides the coloring on the bells and I haven't seemed to alike. 00:26:18.380 --> 00:26:23.555 That's what makes the Soleri favorite. Each one has personality. Some 00:26:23.588 --> 00:26:28.766 even have a cause Soleri recently began making cause bells. This one 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.156 represents the arts in Arizona and the message of this one is Save the 00:26:33.189 --> 00:26:37.647 Whales. When a Cause Bell is purchased, a percentage goes to charitable 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:44.097 organizations. So far, an estimated $46,000 has been donated. The bells 00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:48.996 are very special to Solari but they've never been his primary interest as 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:53.946 an architect. His first love is Arcosanti. His city of the future in Mayor 00:26:53.979 --> 00:27:00.117 Arizona. The bells were a way by which I could do some hand work, which I 00:27:00.150 --> 00:27:08.150 always like to do and also a financial resource so I could do the work in 00:27:08.318 --> 00:27:16.318 architecture that I wanted to do 00:27:36.368 --> 00:27:39.946 tomorrow on Horizon commentator Bob Robb will share his thoughts on 00:27:39.979 --> 00:27:44.325 Governor Mofford and the job she's doing so far and don't forget live 00:27:44.358 --> 00:27:48.597 gavel to gavel coverage of the State of Arizona versus Evan and Willard B. 00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:52.736 Meacham trial begins tomorrow morning here on channel eight coverage 00:27:52.769 --> 00:27:57.186 starts at 9 30. That's our show this evening. Glad you could be here with 00:27:57.219 --> 00:28:05.219 us. I'm Phyllis Palacio. Good night. 00:28:33.219 --> 00:28:36.226 Yeah. 00:28:36.259 --> 00:28:39.746 If you have comments regarding this evening's Horizon program, send them 00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:46.279 to Horizon Channel eight television, Arizona State University. 10 P 85287.