WEBVTT 00:00:05.849 --> 00:00:07.849 District six worker can make that trek to work on average in roughly 18 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:16.526 minutes and with 9015 minority residents. District six is 1.4% black 6% 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:20.497 Hispanic, 1% Native American. For those of you interested in a more 00:00:20.530 --> 00:00:24.061 comprehensive profile of District six. We the following report is a 00:00:24.094 --> 00:00:29.041 prelude to tonight's district six public forum. District six is located on 00:00:29.074 --> 00:00:34.161 the city's east side bounded by mcdowell road to the South Bethany Home 00:00:34.194 --> 00:00:40.140 Road to the north 16 th street on the west and 64 th street on the east. 00:00:40.173 --> 00:00:45.625 The district encompasses nearly 26 square miles. According to 1980 census 00:00:45.658 --> 00:00:52.347 reports. District six has a population of nearly 94,000. Roughly 12% of 00:00:52.380 --> 00:00:56.847 the total population of Phoenix district six residents tend to be middle 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:02.265 aged caucasians averaging 34 years of age five years older than the 00:01:02.298 --> 00:01:06.656 average age for Phoenicians as a whole. Furthermore, compared to Phoenix 00:01:06.689 --> 00:01:11.296 District, six has the smallest proportion of preschoolers, Children under 00:01:11.329 --> 00:01:15.326 five years of age and the second smallest proportion of school age 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:21.426 Children, 5 to 17 years, almost half of the district's population is 00:01:21.459 --> 00:01:25.876 either single widowed or divorced, married residents account for slightly 00:01:25.909 --> 00:01:30.717 more than half 51% of the district's population. The second lowest 00:01:30.750 --> 00:01:35.385 percentage citywide, the district has a relatively low average household 00:01:35.418 --> 00:01:41.376 size of only 2.24 persons. However, while household size may be relatively 00:01:41.409 --> 00:01:47.126 small, the average family income in district six is relatively large, just 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:53.876 over $21,000 annually. That's $950 greater than the city average. Only 00:01:53.909 --> 00:01:58.947 8.3% of district six residents have incomes below the poverty level 00:01:58.980 --> 00:02:03.046 compared to a Phoenix average of 11.1%. 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:07.197 In contrast to Phoenix, the workforce of district six tends to be more 00:02:07.230 --> 00:02:13.055 white color. 32.5% of the residents are considered white collar workers. 00:02:13.088 --> 00:02:19.316 4.5% higher than the city average. Only 10.3% of the district's residents 00:02:19.349 --> 00:02:24.721 are considered blue collar 4.5% lower than the city average. And district 00:02:24.754 --> 00:02:29.380 six residents tend to be relatively well educated. One out of every four 00:02:29.413 --> 00:02:33.811 adults is a college graduate compared to Phoenix where only one of six has 00:02:33.844 --> 00:02:38.811 graduated from college. Only 19% of the district's adults did not finish 00:02:38.844 --> 00:02:44.231 high school. Comparing favorably with a 26.6% non completion rate for 00:02:44.264 --> 00:02:49.666 Phoenix residents as a whole. While District six contains over 45,000 00:02:49.699 --> 00:02:53.696 housing units with more than half of these occupied by their owners. 00:02:53.729 --> 00:02:59.005 Renters comprise 46% of the residents in the district considerably higher 00:02:59.038 --> 00:03:04.547 than the city average of 35% regardless of ownership. However, the housing 00:03:04.580 --> 00:03:10.085 stock in the district is older, only 27% of the housing units in District 00:03:10.118 --> 00:03:17.166 six have been built since 1970. The city wide average is nearly 40% and 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:22.376 the cost of housing in district six is high. A single family home sells 00:03:22.409 --> 00:03:29.745 for approximately $62,000. Almost $6000 higher than the city average rent 00:03:29.778 --> 00:03:35.656 in District six is also high with an average monthly rent of $266. 00:03:35.689 --> 00:03:40.555 District Six is also a heavily urbanized area. In fact, it's the second 00:03:40.588 --> 00:03:45.177 most developed district in Phoenix with just under 10% of its developable 00:03:45.210 --> 00:03:50.886 land still vacant to date. District Six has faced and continues to face a 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:55.286 number of decisive issues. The squaw peak expressway will run through 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:59.896 District Six along 18 th street from mcdowell Road north to Paradise 00:03:59.929 --> 00:04:03.967 Valley. Hundreds of homes will soon be torn down to facilitate 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.797 construction and high rise construction along the Camelback Corridor from 00:04:08.830 --> 00:04:14.066 16 th street to 36 th street is becoming increasingly controversial. Both 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:17.955 issues which have generated a good deal of interest and concern among 00:04:17.988 --> 00:04:22.356 residents are expected to be discussed in depth during this evening's 00:04:22.389 --> 00:04:25.305 District Six Forum. 00:04:25.338 --> 00:04:28.995 Everything you ever wanted to know, I'm sure about District six. This 00:04:29.028 --> 00:04:31.676 evening's District Six forum is about to get underway. As I mentioned 00:04:31.709 --> 00:04:35.075 earlier, the public forum is being held at the Squaw Peak Elementary 00:04:35.108 --> 00:04:39.495 School located at 4601 North 34th Street between Indian school and came 00:04:39.528 --> 00:04:43.151 back roads. The public of course is invited. However, seating I told will 00:04:43.184 --> 00:04:47.151 fill up rather quickly before the forum begins. I'd like to take this 00:04:47.184 --> 00:04:50.541 opportunity to tell you that transmission costs for this channel eight 00:04:50.574 --> 00:04:54.741 special have been paid for by a grant from Russ Lion Realty Company. We 00:04:54.774 --> 00:04:58.882 thank Russ Lyon Realty Company for their assistance in the telecast of 00:04:58.915 --> 00:05:03.166 this evening's forum and now rejoining us once again from the site of the 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:08.106 forum at the Squaw Peak Elementary School is Lou Ruggero, Lou Michael. 00:05:08.139 --> 00:05:10.986 It's starting to fill up here at Squaw Peak Elementary School. There are 00:05:11.019 --> 00:05:14.575 several 100 people in the cafeteria here and it looks like the District 00:05:14.608 --> 00:05:17.286 six Forum is going to be well attended. There are already people have come 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.127 up to me and said they have some zoning and planning matters that they are 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.645 going to bring up quite forcefully, some traffic diversion measures that 00:05:23.678 --> 00:05:28.937 are coming up. So these meetings do draw people, people are paying 00:05:28.970 --> 00:05:32.856 attention. I believe there were some 20,000 pamphlets or brochures sent 00:05:32.889 --> 00:05:36.187 out in the district in the past couple of weeks. So people are responding 00:05:36.220 --> 00:05:42.637 Michael, they like this. So lou they actively promote the forums through 00:05:42.670 --> 00:05:48.866 direct mail campaigns and other efforts to get people out to these things. 00:05:48.899 --> 00:05:52.067 They have a concerted plan of attack along those lines. It's been well 00:05:52.100 --> 00:05:56.406 advertised. I think the new council and the mayor want these district 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.377 forums to work again. This is the first time around for each district. It 00:06:00.410 --> 00:06:03.015 will be interesting to see two or three years from now after there have 00:06:03.048 --> 00:06:07.356 been district forums going on for a long time. How these work out right 00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:10.676 now, maybe the novelty is part of it, but at any rate, novelty or not, 00:06:10.709 --> 00:06:14.036 there is a lot of enthusiasm. You might be able to hear the crowd behind 00:06:14.069 --> 00:06:18.036 me a little bit, several 100 people there and they are anxious to get 00:06:18.069 --> 00:06:21.437 together with the mayor and councilman Cori and the city staff. You've had 00:06:21.470 --> 00:06:26.627 an opportunity to review the bond proposal which the council recently 00:06:26.660 --> 00:06:34.356 voted on. How much of that very sizable bond issue pertains to district 00:06:34.389 --> 00:06:38.866 six. Well, there are two main issues that are high profile in district 61 00:06:38.899 --> 00:06:42.817 is Squaw Peak Parkway, that's $35 million for acquisition rights there. 00:06:42.850 --> 00:06:45.217 And the other is the Phoenix Mountain Preserve. I believe that's in the 00:06:45.250 --> 00:06:49.575 neighborhood of $23 million that are high profile items here in District 00:06:49.608 --> 00:06:55.726 six. And that is scheduled to be voted on in June, I believe. Is it not 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:01.106 early June, early June part of a $572 million bond package that will be 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:04.217 voted on by the citizens, not only in district six, but in all eight city 00:07:04.250 --> 00:07:07.745 council districts in Phoenix just out of curiosity lou, how much of a 00:07:07.778 --> 00:07:12.567 traveling roadshow is this thing? How many staff members do they bring 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:17.096 along with them? We of course, talked to Saro and Rick is the staff well 00:07:17.129 --> 00:07:21.026 represented at tonight's forum. Yes, there are several city staff here 00:07:21.059 --> 00:07:24.026 planning transportation, Michael. I'm getting the word here that we're 00:07:24.059 --> 00:07:26.995 just about ready to get the District Six Forum under way. So we'll take it 00:07:27.028 --> 00:07:32.166 from here. Thank you. 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:36.116 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 00:07:36.149 --> 00:07:43.075 My name is Ed Cori. I'm City Council District Six. Welcome to our forum 00:07:43.108 --> 00:07:51.108 for our first forum ever for council district six. 00:07:53.660 --> 00:07:57.197 One of our purposes and goals of our new district system is to bring local 00:07:57.230 --> 00:08:00.627 government closer to the citizen and the citizen closer to their elected 00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:05.036 representatives. This meeting tonight is one of eight open forums held 00:08:05.069 --> 00:08:09.467 throughout the city this spring. As you will see, the program is primarily 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:14.226 your participation through your concerns and questions, elected officials 00:08:14.259 --> 00:08:19.645 and city staff are here primarily to listen. We have scheduled only a few 00:08:19.678 --> 00:08:23.726 minutes of formal presentations tonight on three subjects which we have 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:28.476 learned from prior forums seem to be your highest priority of interest. 00:08:28.509 --> 00:08:34.177 They are planning transportation and crime prevention. The rest is going 00:08:34.210 --> 00:08:38.635 to be up to you because you're going to be the program tonight. Let me 00:08:38.668 --> 00:08:43.486 tell you for a moment how your district district six is unique. All of the 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:48.446 eight districts in the city of Phoenix as December 1st 1982 have about the 00:08:48.479 --> 00:08:53.196 same population 100,000 people. But our district six has some very 00:08:53.229 --> 00:08:58.346 interesting, unique characteristics. One out of four in this district is a 00:08:58.379 --> 00:09:03.346 college graduate overall in the city. It's one out of six district. 00:09:03.379 --> 00:09:07.807 District six is the most intensely developed district with only 9% vacant 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:12.356 land. Interestingly enough, our housing stock in this district is getting 00:09:12.389 --> 00:09:17.226 older with three quarters of our homes. Over 15 years old, half of our 00:09:17.259 --> 00:09:21.025 homes are owner occupied, which is a little bit lower than the average for 00:09:21.058 --> 00:09:25.736 the city of Phoenix. And surprisingly, this may surprise some of you. We 00:09:25.769 --> 00:09:30.667 are the least family oriented of any district in the city with one half of 00:09:30.700 --> 00:09:36.427 our population, either single, separated, widowed or divorced. Judging by 00:09:36.460 --> 00:09:41.706 the 57 new zoning applications last year in district six, we are an active 00:09:41.739 --> 00:09:46.407 district for new development. Now, I think some of you, most of you should 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.677 have a program in your hands and we'll describe if we can the procedures 00:09:50.710 --> 00:09:55.496 for tonight. If anyone wishes to speak, please fill out a card and you 00:09:55.529 --> 00:09:59.265 will be called during the open forum. Please come forward to the 00:09:59.298 --> 00:10:05.596 microphones that you see in the front of the of the hall. I have asked 00:10:05.629 --> 00:10:12.316 three of our staff to discuss tonight, the three issues, transportation 00:10:12.349 --> 00:10:16.047 planning and crime prevention with you. And I think the presentation by 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.946 the staff will give you a better view on the subject. We will introduce 00:10:19.979 --> 00:10:23.145 the head table in just a moment. But before we do, I would like to 00:10:23.178 --> 00:10:31.178 introduce our mayor Terry Goddard. 00:10:33.009 --> 00:10:40.417 Good evening. Is this working now? I'd like to join my voice to ads in 00:10:40.450 --> 00:10:44.005 terms of welcoming you. I don't know, I can't talk when I can't see the 00:10:44.038 --> 00:10:49.057 microphone welcoming you this evening. I'm particularly glad to see so 00:10:49.090 --> 00:10:54.186 many folks here. This is the continuation of frankly an experiment in our 00:10:54.219 --> 00:10:58.717 implementation of the district system. We started out in district four 00:10:58.750 --> 00:11:03.336 several, almost two months ago trying to see if people would be interested 00:11:03.369 --> 00:11:07.726 in coming to a session which really had no format. Just an opportunity to 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:13.326 meet with elected officials, listen to squealing microphones and to also 00:11:13.359 --> 00:11:17.236 discuss some problems with the city staff. The response from the beginning 00:11:17.269 --> 00:11:21.116 has been overwhelming. We've had standing room only basically at each of 00:11:21.149 --> 00:11:25.576 our opportunities for these forums. And I think that's very exciting and I 00:11:25.609 --> 00:11:29.907 guess one margin of success is that we've had sort of different formats 00:11:29.940 --> 00:11:34.297 each time American Cable picked up and broadcast last times in district 00:11:34.330 --> 00:11:39.736 one tonight. We welcome Channel eight. We with all due apologies for the 00:11:39.769 --> 00:11:43.755 lights and the chords and the other things we have to contend with. We 00:11:43.788 --> 00:11:48.625 hope that won't interfere with a frank and free discussion between us and 00:11:48.658 --> 00:11:53.385 you in terms of problems and possibilities in this city. 00:11:53.418 --> 00:11:58.366 The function, I'm not quite through it. The function of the forum has been 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:02.746 able in part literally to bring City Hall to the various districts. And I 00:12:02.779 --> 00:12:07.145 think that has been probably its most important aspect. And in our very 00:12:07.178 --> 00:12:11.167 first one, some people complained about semi trucks parking illegally at 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.005 Osburn and 83rd Avenue. And Chief Ortega stood up and said he personally 00:12:15.038 --> 00:12:18.217 would have them ticketed before daylight and he did it. And that's the 00:12:18.250 --> 00:12:22.057 kind of instant response that we'd like to see. We can't always promise it 00:12:22.090 --> 00:12:26.787 , but it does in fact take place through these forum opportunities. So 00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:30.106 thank you very much for being here. We look forward to hearing from you. 00:12:30.139 --> 00:12:34.135 This is our, our sixth forum in District six. I think it's very 00:12:34.168 --> 00:12:42.168 appropriate. Thank you. Thank you mayor. Before we go, 00:12:43.869 --> 00:12:46.836 before we go any further, I think we have some gentlemen in the audience 00:12:46.869 --> 00:12:49.375 that we'd like to introduce, who are also members of the Phoenix City 00:12:49.408 --> 00:12:56.726 Council. Mr Dwayne Pell Pell, would you stand up, 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:02.316 Mister Barry Starr 00:13:02.349 --> 00:13:09.236 and Mr John Nelson? I thought I saw John back there. 00:13:09.269 --> 00:13:12.717 Now, I don't know if we have any other state officials or city officials 00:13:12.750 --> 00:13:15.047 here, but if they are, I'd be happy to introduce them if they'd raise 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:19.856 their heads at the head table. Tonight. On my far left is Mr Rick Counts 00:13:19.889 --> 00:13:25.496 of the Planning Department, Mr Severo Esco, the Urban Services Development 00:13:25.529 --> 00:13:29.917 Director, Chief Ruben Ortega of the Phoenix Police Department, and Mr 00:13:29.950 --> 00:13:34.145 Marvin Andrews, the city manager, 00:13:34.178 --> 00:13:37.586 I also would like to introduce if I could. Are you over there? My 00:13:37.619 --> 00:13:41.116 assistant Reba Fisher who has put this program did a lot of the work 00:13:41.149 --> 00:13:47.895 putting this program together. 00:13:47.928 --> 00:13:51.395 Now, our first, our first presentation tonight is going to be by Severa 00:13:51.428 --> 00:13:56.177 Esco, our Urban Services Manager for street transportation. And Mr Escobar 00:13:56.210 --> 00:13:59.476 is going to give you just a very brief summary of where we are in our 00:13:59.509 --> 00:14:03.717 streets and transportation program. In all the surveys that have been done 00:14:03.750 --> 00:14:07.717 over the past few years in Phoenix, it seems like transportation is always 00:14:07.750 --> 00:14:12.875 the number one issue that most of us feel is lagging in our city. And I'd 00:14:12.908 --> 00:14:15.677 like, I'd like to have severo give you just a brief rundown and of course 00:14:15.710 --> 00:14:20.586 , you'll have ample time for questions of severo later. Thank you. I'd 00:14:20.619 --> 00:14:23.866 like to talk about the street transportation program that includes the 00:14:23.899 --> 00:14:27.496 capital program that gets the most attention. But there are also elements 00:14:27.529 --> 00:14:32.265 of maintenance, the traffic problems that traffic engineering deals with 00:14:32.298 --> 00:14:37.265 the transit system and traffic safety. First of all, let me point out the 00:14:37.298 --> 00:14:41.145 funding picture and that there has been a drastic increase in the amount 00:14:41.178 --> 00:14:44.625 of funding some of it. You haven't really seen that much but the state 00:14:44.658 --> 00:14:51.696 legislature 2.5 years ago, stand back increased practically tripling the 00:14:51.729 --> 00:14:55.167 amount of money that we are going to be getting for transportation 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:59.385 purposes in the city of Phoenix. That will be about a billion dollars over 00:14:59.418 --> 00:15:04.326 the next 10 years, including this current year, which sounds like a lot of 00:15:04.359 --> 00:15:09.895 money. It is a tripling as I say, but at the same time may not be able to 00:15:09.928 --> 00:15:13.645 deal with all of it. But we certainly think it's a drastic improvement. 00:15:13.678 --> 00:15:18.746 The system that we're dealing with when we talk about the street system is 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:22.005 typically the major streets. Although obviously there's collector streets 00:15:22.038 --> 00:15:25.336 in your neighborhood streets that are included in that the limited access 00:15:25.369 --> 00:15:29.255 facilities, in particular for the city of Phoenix say first is the Swape 00:15:29.288 --> 00:15:34.726 Parkway that you're all very familiar with, which will connect the central 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.907 part in the north, central part of the city with the Papago freeway. In 00:15:37.940 --> 00:15:41.917 the central part of the city, the state and Federal highway system is very 00:15:41.950 --> 00:15:45.106 important to us even though it's not included in what I generally would 00:15:45.139 --> 00:15:50.066 describe as the city system. The Papago completion, the East Papago going 00:15:50.099 --> 00:15:56.226 from about 20 in mcdowell to 44 connecting with the ho the Hoco itself and 00:15:56.259 --> 00:16:00.846 the outer loop are also a very important element in our program. So I 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.525 mentioned maintenance is also a part of that, that we obviously, when we 00:16:04.558 --> 00:16:08.116 build them, we also have to maintain them. And a lot of it does cause some 00:16:08.149 --> 00:16:11.856 disruption for many of you. But it's very important in taking care of a 00:16:11.889 --> 00:16:15.726 lot of the concerns that many of you expressed in particular the chip seal 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.537 program, the overlay program and the crack ceiling things that go along 00:16:19.570 --> 00:16:23.807 with that. We have a capital improvement program which is typically the 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.956 widening and reconstruction of many of our streets, the major streets in 00:16:27.989 --> 00:16:33.157 particular to carry more traffic as well as to upgrade them. For example, 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:39.307 that total is about $185 million over the next five years of that 185 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:42.177 million. Only one fact, I'll give you that I thought you might be 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:46.356 interested in is that 13 million of it is in your district. There's an 00:16:46.389 --> 00:16:51.407 additional several million dollars in storm sewers and water sewers. All 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:55.395 of these things are going to be affected very much by the bond issue that 00:16:55.428 --> 00:16:59.596 you'll be voting on in a couple of months in the area of traffic and 00:16:59.629 --> 00:17:03.246 traffic engineering. We have one way streets that we're looking at 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.597 downtown principally, you have to be very careful with where we use them 00:17:06.630 --> 00:17:09.347 because they do have to be close together. But nevertheless, that is part 00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:12.486 of what we're looking at left turn arrows. You've heard a lot about, I 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:16.847 won't say much more than that. The city council has directed us to do more 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:21.717 of that and certainly has taken a strong position on that the village plan 00:17:21.750 --> 00:17:25.266 that Rick will be talking about in a few minutes. I only want to mention 00:17:25.299 --> 00:17:29.486 that that is also important to us in terms of the transportation program 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.746 because of the potential for cutting down the number of trips that are on 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:37.506 the streets. Highway safety is also part of our program and that we're 00:17:37.539 --> 00:17:41.756 very concerned about the accidents. The insurance rates in a way, you 00:17:41.789 --> 00:17:44.686 might think that the insurance rates, the high insurance rates that you 00:17:44.719 --> 00:17:48.976 pay in a way are a way of paying a cost for transportation that does not 00:17:49.009 --> 00:17:53.575 show up when you put gas in your tank. But nevertheless, is there And 00:17:53.608 --> 00:17:57.357 we're certainly concerned about it. Another element of our transportation 00:17:57.390 --> 00:18:01.315 program that is quite often forgotten, but is certainly there is the 00:18:01.348 --> 00:18:06.696 transit system. It has more than tripled in the last 10 years, over 300 00:18:06.729 --> 00:18:11.666 buses. And we're adding more all the time. And lastly, I just want to talk 00:18:11.699 --> 00:18:16.055 a little bit about the future in terms of what we're doing. Two very major 00:18:16.088 --> 00:18:19.637 studies. One is a central area study that we're doing jointly with the 00:18:19.670 --> 00:18:25.446 Maricopa area governments, which will take a look at the Ho Ho and East 00:18:25.479 --> 00:18:29.756 Papago connections, for example, a possible southern loop, the East West 00:18:29.789 --> 00:18:35.236 traffic along the Paradise Corridor and other major issues of that type 00:18:35.269 --> 00:18:38.406 that we're now seeing some completion of some of the other facilities. And 00:18:38.439 --> 00:18:42.295 we want to know what other things we should be looking at in the very near 00:18:42.328 --> 00:18:46.647 future. And also along with that, we will be doing a mass transit 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.676 alternatives analysis where we look at the bus system, possible 00:18:50.709 --> 00:18:54.305 improvements to it, the possibility of some fixed guideway or other mass 00:18:54.338 --> 00:19:00.107 transit facilities and those kinds of things. 00:19:00.140 --> 00:19:05.397 If there were three items, as I said, that were mostly on your mind, it 00:19:05.430 --> 00:19:08.117 would be first transportation and the second one would probably be 00:19:08.150 --> 00:19:12.266 planning. Planning covers a wide swath whether it's transportation or 00:19:12.299 --> 00:19:16.506 zoning or whatever. And our planning director Rick Counts is going to give 00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:20.397 us a brief overview of our planning problems and process in Phoenix. Rick 00:19:20.430 --> 00:19:23.397 , thanks, 00:19:23.430 --> 00:19:28.016 these forums are great because it gives us an opportunity to highlight the 00:19:28.049 --> 00:19:33.795 essential feature of planning in Phoenix, which is citizen participation. 00:19:33.828 --> 00:19:39.016 As many of you know, it began with urban for directions back in the mid 70 00:19:39.049 --> 00:19:43.305 s and has progressed through the village planning committees, developing 00:19:43.338 --> 00:19:49.055 concept plan 2000 in a balance of residential and employment uses in each 00:19:49.088 --> 00:19:55.867 of several urban villages, a place for families to be able to find live 00:19:55.900 --> 00:20:01.986 work and play opportunities. And as Severo has just indicated, cut down on 00:20:02.019 --> 00:20:07.206 the amount of commuting and transportation inconvenience that we have to 00:20:07.239 --> 00:20:12.835 put up with and that we might cause others. Village plans are just now 00:20:12.868 --> 00:20:19.637 being developed a good opportunity to point out to you that your input 00:20:19.670 --> 00:20:24.266 will be solicited by the various village planning committees that might 00:20:24.299 --> 00:20:28.996 concern the place where you live or the place where you work, they're 00:20:29.029 --> 00:20:33.426 interested in developing a future of community character, different 00:20:33.459 --> 00:20:40.065 distinctive portions of the community that indicate that the camel back 00:20:40.098 --> 00:20:48.098 area is different from South Mountain or Paradise Valley or Maryvale 00:20:48.539 --> 00:20:54.357 and also offers an opportunity to create images throughout our city. So 00:20:54.390 --> 00:20:59.406 that Phoenix is not just seen of as a single place, but a series of 00:20:59.439 --> 00:21:03.867 communities that each have their own identity. I know that people in this 00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:08.295 portion of the city are particularly concerned about impacts and that's 00:21:08.328 --> 00:21:12.456 where planning begins. The town hall that was held just a couple of weeks 00:21:12.489 --> 00:21:18.325 ago, offered substantial input to the planning process as to what 00:21:18.358 --> 00:21:23.117 residents and property owners in this part of the city want to see for the 00:21:23.150 --> 00:21:31.150 future of District six. The Gruen associate study focused on the 24th 00:21:31.209 --> 00:21:37.276 street and Camelback intersection is designed to prevent the unfettered 00:21:37.309 --> 00:21:42.446 growth and to encourage quality of development from those several 00:21:42.479 --> 00:21:48.226 developers that have suggested major projects in that vicinity. What we 00:21:48.259 --> 00:21:53.535 really need to do is go beyond zoning and get into planning together so 00:21:53.568 --> 00:21:59.717 that we're literally all on the same team, the city, staff citizens and 00:21:59.750 --> 00:22:04.597 the developers. And in doing that, we'll be working toward maintaining 00:22:04.630 --> 00:22:09.397 community standards and a quality of life that is the function of every 00:22:09.430 --> 00:22:15.617 good city plan, conserving neighborhoods, making sure that amenities and 00:22:15.650 --> 00:22:20.006 aesthetic improvements are part of every planning process, increasing the 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:24.956 convenience for people in their neighborhood and on their way to work or 00:22:24.989 --> 00:22:30.045 to church or to school, making sure that property values are maintained. 00:22:30.078 --> 00:22:35.055 One aspect that comes up often at these forums is the enforcement program 00:22:35.088 --> 00:22:41.717 , zoning subdivision, other development guidance tools. We like to think 00:22:41.750 --> 00:22:45.436 of it as development, guidance and property maintenance rather than a 00:22:45.469 --> 00:22:51.666 control or enforcement program. And we do have zoning and sign inspection 00:22:51.699 --> 00:22:55.486 personnel who are anxious to follow up on some of the conditions that you 00:22:55.519 --> 00:23:00.585 may tell us about this evening. Property maintenance neighborhood upkeep 00:23:00.618 --> 00:23:04.516 is extremely important to the success of this community. And our 00:23:04.549 --> 00:23:09.857 enforcement procedures operate on the basis of citizen complaints and we 00:23:09.890 --> 00:23:13.585 follow up on citizen complaints. Some of the recent issues that you may 00:23:13.618 --> 00:23:19.696 have read about emanated from other district forums such as this one. For 00:23:19.729 --> 00:23:24.467 example, there were concerns about the proliferation of street vendors of 00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:29.176 parking, particularly semi trucks in residential neighborhoods, the 00:23:29.209 --> 00:23:34.706 increase in home occupations that are bringing traffic loads into 00:23:34.739 --> 00:23:38.785 residential streets that weren't intended for that. All of these are ideas 00:23:38.818 --> 00:23:44.906 , follow up programs that emanated from evenings such as this. I'd like to 00:23:44.939 --> 00:23:49.506 conclude by saying that being able to report to you on a regular basis and 00:23:49.539 --> 00:23:54.926 get information back from the citizens has certainly helped us all in 00:23:54.959 --> 00:24:00.617 being able to follow a greater consistency in city policy. You are helping 00:24:00.650 --> 00:24:05.776 us to implement and determine planning goals. And most important the 00:24:05.809 --> 00:24:10.607 planning process is benefiting substantially from the open process that 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:17.217 these district forums allow us. Thank you very much. Thank you, Rick. I 00:24:17.250 --> 00:24:20.717 don't know whether we're supposed to use this microphone or the other one. 00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:24.097 Again, may I remind you for those of you who wish to speak? Would you 00:24:24.130 --> 00:24:27.946 please fill out a card? And you will be called during the open forum? If 00:24:27.979 --> 00:24:31.347 for some reason or other, you find that you run out of time tonight and 00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:35.075 you still have a question that you would like to ask. You'll find a form 00:24:35.108 --> 00:24:39.676 in your packet which will indicate your question, your name and address. 00:24:39.709 --> 00:24:44.065 If you leave it with us, we will be happy to respond to you. 00:24:44.098 --> 00:24:50.805 Probably no other single issue affects us more dramatically than the issue 00:24:50.838 --> 00:24:55.877 of crime. And tonight we have police chief Ruben Ortega with us to give us 00:24:55.910 --> 00:25:00.196 just a brief overview of crime problems in the city and crime problems in 00:25:00.229 --> 00:25:04.516 the district and what we're doing about them. 00:25:04.549 --> 00:25:10.016 Thank you, Ed. Actually, uh my real name is Nick Solerno and I'm here to 00:25:10.049 --> 00:25:17.436 ask you to become friends of channel eight. 00:25:17.469 --> 00:25:22.847 I appreciate the telecast by channel eight has done a tremendous service 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.285 to the public. I think in bringing issues before the community that are 00:25:27.318 --> 00:25:30.746 very important. 00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:37.766 96,000 people live in the district six and we have 146 police officers 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:43.117 that service this district one K nine unit. We used to have two K nine 00:25:43.150 --> 00:25:47.897 units, but I had to get rid of one. They wanted to form A K nine union, so 00:25:47.930 --> 00:25:53.575 that wasn't gonna work out. So 00:25:53.608 --> 00:25:58.627 two major concerns that we have in the district police wise, 00:25:58.660 --> 00:26:01.246 touched on one of them that's traffic and the other one, of course, I 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.156 think that a number of you, I know first hand have experienced the problem 00:26:05.189 --> 00:26:08.825 because in talking to some of you before the meeting, I know that a number 00:26:08.858 --> 00:26:11.825 of you have been the victims of burglaries in your neighborhood. Our 00:26:11.858 --> 00:26:17.617 biggest problem, crime wise, property crimes in district six burglaries of 00:26:17.650 --> 00:26:22.217 residence being our primary concern. But in spite of the fact that 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:24.617 burglars are still too high in the city and they are still too high in 00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:30.575 District six. District six has shown the most dramatic decline in overall 00:26:30.608 --> 00:26:38.397 crime. You might wonder why the main reason being about three years ago 00:26:38.430 --> 00:26:41.496 through the assistance of a number of you that are in the audience as well 00:26:41.529 --> 00:26:47.446 as a great number of residents in District six helped us launch a very 00:26:47.479 --> 00:26:52.387 effective crime prevention program called Block Watch. It was so effective 00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:55.295 that the first three months when we started in the Arcadia District, for 00:26:55.328 --> 00:27:01.137 example, the burglary rate was reduced almost 50% and has continued to 00:27:01.170 --> 00:27:06.986 reduce the burglary problem in District six. Ever since then, the crime 00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:12.387 rate is still going down in that district. This district has received the 00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:15.926 highest decline. As a matter of fact, throughout the city in the last 00:27:15.959 --> 00:27:21.467 three years, the crime rate has been reduced. Approximately 30%. 00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:25.776 District six had a unique, two unique problems in relationship to property 00:27:25.809 --> 00:27:31.706 crimes you were plagued by two types of suspects. I think we've been 00:27:31.739 --> 00:27:35.276 pretty effective in eliminating one and the two types of suspects that 00:27:35.309 --> 00:27:38.387 have been burglarizing your homes and stealing your property were one 00:27:38.420 --> 00:27:44.097 juveniles. They accounted for 50% of all the residential burglaries that 00:27:44.130 --> 00:27:49.117 we have had in district six. The other one that most of the other council 00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:54.006 districts did not experience as much as you have is district six residents 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:59.176 particularly the area north of Indian school road, east of 16 to the city 00:27:59.209 --> 00:28:04.535 limits were played by professional burglars. These were burgers that 00:28:04.568 --> 00:28:09.266 targeted your home because of the high economic standard of the district. 00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:14.946 The very expensive homes, very lucrative big areas to the big homes that 00:28:14.979 --> 00:28:19.736 would make it very easy for them to target your home. That particular type 00:28:19.769 --> 00:28:23.986 of suspect has been greatly reduced because of the block watch program. 00:28:24.019 --> 00:28:27.776 And I wanted to take this opportunity to sincerely thank the residents of 00:28:27.809 --> 00:28:32.535 District six because you launched a program that we're now using citywide 00:28:32.568 --> 00:28:36.776 and using it very effectively. I've never had the opportunity to address 00:28:36.809 --> 00:28:41.555 such a large crowd and give our personal thanks to you but is working all 00:28:41.588 --> 00:28:45.045 over the city is probably the most effective crime prevention program that 00:28:45.078 --> 00:28:47.976 we have going 00:28:48.009 --> 00:28:54.285 traffic is a major concern with us. In district six. As cro mentioned, it 00:28:54.318 --> 00:28:59.736 is a serious problem. I think we've done all we can as far as enforcement 00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:03.815 in regulating the traffic laws. In order to reduce the traffic accidents, 00:29:03.848 --> 00:29:08.117 you do have some serious intersections that are a big problem to us that 00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:12.315 we're giving a lot of attention to. I think what we're going to have to do 00:29:12.348 --> 00:29:17.285 though, to impact more the problem we're having with a high number of 00:29:17.318 --> 00:29:22.486 traffic accidents in your district is to concentrate on the one e, there's 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:28.347 three s that pertain to the effective control of traffic accidents and to 00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:32.367 move traffic smoothly and efficiently. One is enforcement which I think 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.946 we're doing as much as we can in the last couple of years. The council has 00:29:36.979 --> 00:29:41.137 added a number of motorcycle officers to the department to deal with this 00:29:41.170 --> 00:29:45.276 problem. The other one is engineering and I'm sure you'll touch on some of 00:29:45.309 --> 00:29:51.065 that and concerns that you may have about intersections and left hand turn 00:29:51.098 --> 00:29:54.956 signals and what have you. And the third is education. And I think this is 00:29:54.989 --> 00:29:59.545 where we're really going to have to team up to minimize the problem until 00:29:59.578 --> 00:30:06.055 such time that we have a road system that will greatly aid us in our 00:30:06.088 --> 00:30:11.075 ability to move traffic safely and efficiently. So the big area that we're 00:30:11.108 --> 00:30:15.295 going to concentrate this coming year is education. Hopefully get some 00:30:15.328 --> 00:30:20.137 information to you as to what you can do to help us in minimizing the 00:30:20.170 --> 00:30:26.436 higher risk of driving on our streets. Mad, that will be perhaps our 00:30:26.469 --> 00:30:31.887 highest priority in terms of reducing incidents that cause a tremendous 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:37.315 amount of not only property loss but injury. I, I wanna say the rest of 00:30:37.348 --> 00:30:40.217 the time because I know based on the other forms that there will be a 00:30:40.250 --> 00:30:45.906 tremendous amount of questions. So thank you, Chief, you know, out on West 00:30:45.939 --> 00:30:48.956 Washington Street, there's a body out there called the State Legislature 00:30:48.989 --> 00:30:52.996 and the State Senate. We try to be friendly with them whenever we can. 00:30:53.029 --> 00:30:56.147 They aren't always as friendly to us as we'd like them to be and vice 00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.147 versa. But we do have a couple of members here. I think at least one that 00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:03.597 I know of Senator Peter Kay. District 26 Peter. There you are. Is anyone 00:31:03.630 --> 00:31:11.630 else? And Jim MEREDITH also district 26. 00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:15.016 Well, we just about run out of experts up here. So now we'll start talking 00:31:15.049 --> 00:31:19.647 to you. So we're going to start asking for you to come up. The mayor has a 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.976 few cards. Oh, yeah. Well, what we're going to do mayor is we're going to 00:31:24.009 --> 00:31:27.916 introduce the experts as they talk to us as they respond. So, would you 00:31:27.949 --> 00:31:32.835 like to take the first card? Mayor? I was just calling councilman's 00:31:32.868 --> 00:31:35.976 attention to the fact that this impressive phalanx of intelligent looking 00:31:36.009 --> 00:31:40.147 individuals on my left all do work for the city of Phoenix and they will 00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:44.906 be available to answer specific questions in their areas. 00:31:44.939 --> 00:31:49.117 And I believe we've got just about every, every area covered here. The 00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:52.387 first card that I have here and we've tried to rank these by the way to 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:57.406 the approximate time order that the cards were filled out. So if there's 00:31:57.439 --> 00:32:02.717 any question about how we got this particular sequence, that is the secret 00:32:02.750 --> 00:32:09.097 behind it. The first card I have here dated 6 45 PM is Richard W Bulla. 00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:12.256 And he has several questions. Would you like to come up to a microphone 00:32:12.289 --> 00:32:17.186 and address your I count four here. So it may take you a few minutes to 00:32:17.219 --> 00:32:22.367 get through. Thank you very much experts. 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:28.176 Most of my comments deal with the traffic. One of the points which was 00:32:28.209 --> 00:32:32.785 brought up was the left turn arrows in looking at the list that we have in 00:32:32.818 --> 00:32:37.426 this district. I think more should be 24 hour operation. It doesn't seem 00:32:37.459 --> 00:32:40.315 to make much sense to spend all the money to put them in and have them 00:32:40.348 --> 00:32:46.147 only operating two or three hours a day. One of the prime, prime problems 00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:48.986 in a left turn 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:56.647 Errol situation is we as a driver lack the patience to wait to get through 00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.016 that intersection. If we know that there's a left turn arrow working, 00:33:00.049 --> 00:33:06.516 we'll wait for that opportunity to get through it. Otherwise it's try to 00:33:06.549 --> 00:33:09.946 chase through the yellow and that I think causes a little bit more traffic 00:33:09.979 --> 00:33:16.906 problem. Uh I was wondering whether some of the secondary north and south 00:33:16.939 --> 00:33:21.906 streets could be made into four lane streets for street, I think would be 00:33:21.939 --> 00:33:26.305 a possible example, it's a four lane street. Now, whether it's striped 00:33:26.338 --> 00:33:31.617 that way or not. And possibly, I understand that most of the off site 00:33:31.650 --> 00:33:35.075 improvements have been done on that street. We have curb gutter and 00:33:35.108 --> 00:33:40.857 sidewalk on both sides, but possibly an investigation on the sizing of 00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:44.246 that street could be done to see if another lane could be added or another 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:50.906 two lanes. My prime comment tonight would be on the bus situation and it's 00:33:50.939 --> 00:33:57.055 basically concerned with the buses stop at the major intersections in 00:33:57.088 --> 00:34:01.976 order to get back onto their scheduled their time schedule and they're 00:34:02.009 --> 00:34:06.276 doing at the major intersections and they are doing it where any cars that 00:34:06.309 --> 00:34:10.655 are following behind them are being forced into the intersection. They're 00:34:10.688 --> 00:34:15.405 then tying up when the light turns, they're tying up the cross traffic in 00:34:15.438 --> 00:34:19.227 that intersection. Now that not only poses a problem for cars, they are 00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:22.967 sitting there, they are trying to get out of that intersection, allow the 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.537 traffic to move crossways. And of course, you've got traffic in that 00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:31.135 adjacent lane which they're pulling out rapidly into and you can get some 00:34:31.168 --> 00:34:35.336 fender benders that way if the buses, I understand the need to get back on 00:34:35.369 --> 00:34:39.776 their time schedule and that they do pick up time when there's not a lot 00:34:39.809 --> 00:34:44.175 of passenger traffic. But if they could do it away from the major 00:34:44.208 --> 00:34:49.316 intersections further down the road where there isn't the prime cross 00:34:49.349 --> 00:34:55.030 traffic conflict, I think that would ease the situation in that category. 00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:59.396 Another area would be we're spending all this money to pave the streets 00:34:59.429 --> 00:35:02.666 to make them look nice. And within two months we're ripping them out for 00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:09.736 water lines and sewer lines and what not. Yeah. 00:35:09.769 --> 00:35:13.736 Why don't we use our head? And when we put the water line in, put a tap to 00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:17.796 the property lines, this is ridiculous to have to keep fighting the roads 00:35:17.829 --> 00:35:21.227 out there on Indian school right now are as bad as they were five years 00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:25.816 ago and they were just repaved about five years ago. Spend a little bit 00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:29.267 more money, get the taps to the property lines and then any further 00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:34.736 development that occurs, there can go to that tap. And the last item I 00:35:34.769 --> 00:35:39.195 have would be the striping of the center lane. 00:35:39.228 --> 00:35:43.695 I try to get out of the main flow of traffic when I'm driving. The problem 00:35:43.728 --> 00:35:47.956 is is that we have a double lane situation in some areas. And if I cross 00:35:47.989 --> 00:35:53.655 that double lane to get into the center lane, I'm violating a law. If we 00:35:53.688 --> 00:35:57.376 could look at the striping, take the opportunity when we're putting down 00:35:57.409 --> 00:36:01.376 the slurry coat. Look at the situation of rest striping it where we have a 00:36:01.409 --> 00:36:06.675 dashed and a solid line where we can as a driver get into the center lane 00:36:06.708 --> 00:36:12.776 , we're then freeing up one entire lane of traffic. I feel like a fool 00:36:12.809 --> 00:36:15.925 sitting in the number one lane. The fast lane, I'm sorry. You mean the 00:36:15.958 --> 00:36:20.967 left turn lane in a five lane street? The center lane would be the one 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:26.606 basically bordered by the yellow lines. Ok. There are some areas where 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.396 they have allowed for a turnout of opposing traffic so that they can 00:36:31.429 --> 00:36:36.327 allowing them to make a left turn. If I cross, I can only cross into that 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:41.236 center lane when I'm making a left turn, er, a left turn and I can only do 00:36:41.269 --> 00:36:45.356 it when it's a dash and a solid line. If I do it where it happens to be a 00:36:45.389 --> 00:36:50.166 minor intersection, I would call it. There's usually a solid line, two 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.905 solid lines there. I'm violating a law if I go into the center lane by 00:36:53.938 --> 00:37:00.135 crossing that double, double line. And I think in rest striping, we can 00:37:00.168 --> 00:37:05.646 possibly cut down frankly, a lot of these minor intersections, 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:11.227 I don't think have the need to have their own special stripe to allow 00:37:11.260 --> 00:37:17.756 opposing traffic to make a left turn at that intersection. Ok. Thank you 00:37:17.789 --> 00:37:22.517 for your comments. We're trying to so that we can get on to as many people 00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:28.086 as possible. I appreciate it. Ok, you're done. Great. I'd like to now call 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.827 upon a couple of people to address some of the points you brought up. I 00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:35.436 won't touch on the major ones. I think you made some very good points on 00:37:35.469 --> 00:37:40.586 left turn arrows and on the four lanes for 40th street because I think 00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:44.776 those stand alone as comments. I'd like Sharon Dan, however, to talk about 00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:47.595 your buses backing people up in the intersection. Sharon. Could you 00:37:47.628 --> 00:37:53.186 address that? And then we'll, we'll get to the striping question. 00:37:53.219 --> 00:37:58.026 This is Sharon Dan, who is the acting? Um What should we call you? Uh 00:37:58.059 --> 00:38:02.717 public transit administrator. There you go. I'm happy to be here tonight. 00:38:02.750 --> 00:38:06.146 I would like to explain one of the things that's being done to help 00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:10.695 improve the traffic operations as we impact on it. The city is 00:38:10.728 --> 00:38:15.095 aggressively going into a construction project that many of you might have 00:38:15.128 --> 00:38:18.606 been recognizing on central and in a couple of other locations around town 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:24.586 , these are called bus bays and most of them are being constructed in such 00:38:24.619 --> 00:38:29.787 a manner that at least one articulated bus and one other standard bus have 00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:33.856 room to park in them. The reason we're building those is just for the 00:38:33.889 --> 00:38:38.675 reason that you indicated it's to help improve the traffic flow and to 00:38:38.708 --> 00:38:43.756 create a safer situation for our passengers to load. Um It will take quite 00:38:43.789 --> 00:38:49.675 a number of years to retrofit, so to speak the city. Um And in this 00:38:49.708 --> 00:38:52.557 particular district that has a lot of its major streets already completed 00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:57.385 , it probably will take a little longer here too. But what we're doing is 00:38:57.418 --> 00:39:02.017 after we build those bus bays, we are scheduling the buses so that their 00:39:02.050 --> 00:39:06.376 layover points or that their time points are using those bus bays and I 00:39:06.409 --> 00:39:10.066 think you'll find a noticeable improvement if you've looked at Central and 00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:12.655 mcdowell, I'm sure you've noticed it there where we built two just 00:39:12.688 --> 00:39:19.537 recently. Thank you. Thank you, Sharon. Um, let's see. Should we go? So, 00:39:19.570 --> 00:39:23.526 who, who do you want for the striping question? 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.037 Jim Sparks? Well, we can kill two birds with one stone as it were. Jim, 00:39:27.070 --> 00:39:31.566 why don't you tie up left turn arrows as well? 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.517 Jim, assistant traffic engineer, excuse me, Jim sparks. The first question 00:39:35.550 --> 00:39:39.345 had to do with left turn arrows and particularly what hours of the day 00:39:39.378 --> 00:39:45.997 they run. Phoenix has 138 left turn arrows in the city and we do, we have 00:39:46.030 --> 00:39:49.717 in the past been installing them at locations where they can support the 00:39:49.750 --> 00:39:54.546 peak hour, peak direction traffic. That's why the hour restriction, they, 00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:59.206 they have advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages are our ability 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.967 to synchronize signals and we can get fewer cars per hour through the 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:08.066 signals with arrows. The advantages obviously are more convenience for 00:40:08.099 --> 00:40:13.486 left turners and there should be a safety convenience also. And the mayor 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:18.517 and council have addressed that subject early on in this term 00:40:18.550 --> 00:40:22.445 and have requested a substantial increase in the number of arrows we put 00:40:22.478 --> 00:40:28.385 in in Phoenix for next year. In addition to that district six is a 00:40:28.418 --> 00:40:32.086 recipient of the major part of an experiment on left turn arrows that 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.945 we're going to do before the end of this fiscal year. 00:40:35.978 --> 00:40:39.865 You are well familiar with the intersection of 44th Street and Camelback, 00:40:39.898 --> 00:40:44.037 which has arrows in all four directions. And for the bulk of the day, 00:40:44.070 --> 00:40:49.666 that's unusual and we're going to do the same thing. A mile to the south 00:40:49.699 --> 00:40:55.557 at 44th Street in Indian School and a mile of the south of that at Thomas. 00:40:55.590 --> 00:40:59.517 The reason for that is those are two chronic locations where we have 00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:04.206 through history, received a lot of requests for left turn arrows and have 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:09.376 held tight saying, yep, they'd be more convenient for left turners. But 00:41:09.409 --> 00:41:14.717 the disadvantage of losing signal synchronization is too big. 00:41:14.750 --> 00:41:19.977 Our streets are loaded and district six has more travel on major streets 00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:23.385 than any other district in the city of Phoenix. And it is tough to find a 00:41:23.418 --> 00:41:28.925 gap in left turn traffic. So maybe the convenience for left turn arrows is 00:41:28.958 --> 00:41:32.706 more than worth the inconvenience it imposes on the others. The mayor and 00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:35.856 council have told us it is and we're going forward with a much increased 00:41:35.889 --> 00:41:40.936 program on left turn arrows. The second question had to do with striping 00:41:40.969 --> 00:41:45.115 in particular two way left turn channels is what, what's that called? It's 00:41:45.148 --> 00:41:49.416 the double yellow lines on one side of the middle lane and double yellow 00:41:49.449 --> 00:41:53.256 on the other side. Uh One of them is dotted and that means you can cross 00:41:53.289 --> 00:41:56.267 it and get in it. It's a beautiful thing. We love them and I'd like them 00:41:56.300 --> 00:41:59.945 on every street in town. The only place I don't like them is when they're 00:41:59.978 --> 00:42:03.497 going to interfere with intersection operation of a traffic signal or 00:42:03.530 --> 00:42:06.146 where we're going to put a signal and don't want to have to come back and 00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:12.106 change the striping. So the locations you see the one way pockets, which 00:42:12.139 --> 00:42:16.655 has the arrow in it and the white barrier line for only one direction to 00:42:16.688 --> 00:42:22.057 use are those locations that are either signalized or going to be or our 00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:25.486 street maintenance department has not gotten around yet to covering them 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:28.517 up because as they cover them up, we're doing just exactly what you want. 00:42:28.550 --> 00:42:33.030 Mr Bullock, we're coming back and striping the two way left turn channel. 00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:36.590 Thank you, Jim. 00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:45.030 Uh Mr E S mcsweeney back here there. He is 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:55.276 right daughter. I have several uh items that concern me. Am I allowed to 00:42:55.309 --> 00:42:59.086 speak on all of them or should I restrict myself to one or two? The 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.816 microphone's yours, Mac. But keep it as short as you can. Thank you. Well 00:43:02.849 --> 00:43:06.686 , one of the smaller ones is this matter that the young man brought up 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:14.719 about uh holes in the street. Now, I believe I can understand. 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.356 Excuse me, I believe I can understand why it's necessary to puncture the 00:43:20.389 --> 00:43:24.425 street for sewer and water connection, but I can't understand why they 00:43:24.458 --> 00:43:30.336 can't be properly repaired. Oh, 00:43:30.369 --> 00:43:35.646 and your own water and sewer departments are the worst offenders. Although 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:40.845 some contractors are very bad and in that connection. I have observed 00:43:40.878 --> 00:43:45.595 several times where the gas company punctured the street apparently for an 00:43:45.628 --> 00:43:49.956 inspection hole. And two or three weeks later, the city comes around at 00:43:49.989 --> 00:43:54.126 considerable expense and repairs the hole. Why can't the gas company do it 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.845 ? 00:43:57.878 --> 00:44:04.106 Well, the real thing that upsets me tonight is this matter of the city, 00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:10.506 excuse me, having determined apparently already to buy the Fee Union High 00:44:10.539 --> 00:44:15.675 School under the guise of calling it a cultural center. Whereas actually 00:44:15.708 --> 00:44:21.095 the big shots around here want to build a football stadium there. 00:44:21.128 --> 00:44:25.126 Now, I'm opposed to that 100%. If they want a football stadium, let the 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:31.146 football people pay for it. 00:44:31.179 --> 00:44:36.836 But further than that, you're gonna spend about $14 million to buy it plus 00:44:36.869 --> 00:44:41.256 interest on the bonds, which will run it up around 30 million plus a few 00:44:41.289 --> 00:44:46.217 million to renovate it and rebuild it. And all this time you have a 00:44:46.250 --> 00:44:50.836 cultural center here in your library system which is short handed and 00:44:50.869 --> 00:44:54.686 short hours. Now, why can't we put the library system on the eastern uh, 00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:00.365 schedule and, and get some help in there and make that our system? That'd 00:45:00.398 --> 00:45:04.066 be my thought. 00:45:04.099 --> 00:45:06.195 Yes. 00:45:06.228 --> 00:45:12.336 Now, um, one minor matter I saw that the mayor has a staff and the 00:45:12.369 --> 00:45:15.936 Mexicans are objecting because he doesn't have a Mexican on the staff. I'd 00:45:15.969 --> 00:45:23.626 like to know why he has a staff at all. 00:45:23.659 --> 00:45:27.936 Why do we have Mister Andrews and the city staff for. 00:45:27.969 --> 00:45:33.727 Why does the mayor have another staff? Uh, the city uh managed to live 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:39.546 through Uncle Mil and Mrs H. But it looks to me like Mayor Goddard's, uh 00:45:39.579 --> 00:45:45.876 gonna put an end to that record. 00:45:45.909 --> 00:45:47.936 No, 00:45:47.969 --> 00:45:52.267 I, I've talked to you about this before Mr Coy on when we were discussing 00:45:52.300 --> 00:45:57.327 the budget last year. But the water system pays for itself. The sewer pays 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:03.206 for itself. The trash collection pays for itself, But the bus system takes 00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:07.595 around $10 million a year out of our pockets in tax money plus federal 00:46:07.628 --> 00:46:13.296 subsidy. You're talking about spending $5 million for a open air, uh, walk 00:46:13.329 --> 00:46:18.336 through market downtown, which to me is just plumb ridiculous. You, you 00:46:18.369 --> 00:46:24.566 spend around $100 million to enlarge the civic plaza. I read in the 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.445 newspaper that one of your experts here says it just wasted money unless 00:46:29.478 --> 00:46:33.227 you build another hotel. So you're going to spend $20 million to help some 00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:37.836 guy build a hotel. The whole thing is ridiculous. 00:46:37.869 --> 00:46:41.006 You wanna let those people build, build their own hotels, build their own 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:47.307 football stadiums. And 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:52.537 I, I think your financial uh policies in general need uh, a little 00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:59.816 overview. Now, one of the, I probably is pretty obvious, I'm not much on 00:46:59.849 --> 00:47:04.956 this district system and I'm upset here tonight. The chief of police keeps 00:47:04.989 --> 00:47:10.046 talking about district six. The uh planning man. Talk about district six, 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:14.276 the street man. District six. All right. Now I'm Sure, you've been over 00:47:14.309 --> 00:47:18.557 district seven. District seven this and District four this, you're, you're 00:47:18.590 --> 00:47:24.376 creating the very thing that we were concerned about one district to 00:47:24.409 --> 00:47:28.807 another and you've provided on the chairs here at the front of the room. 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:34.916 Uh, some charts here showing how many goodies. District Six gets. Well. 00:47:34.949 --> 00:47:39.155 All right. Then that leaves, uh, uh, complaining room for District three 00:47:39.188 --> 00:47:43.986 to say, well, we didn't get treated that well and, and I think it's a very 00:47:44.019 --> 00:47:49.106 bad deal that you're, uh, you're in effect, uh, having districts working 00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:57.139 against each other. Thank you for the 10. Ok, Max. Thank you very much 00:47:59.300 --> 00:48:03.436 if I could. The mayor said he wanted to talk about Phoenix Union and 00:48:03.469 --> 00:48:09.727 that's fine. I think he ought to also talk about his staff. I think 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:16.706 that's only fair. I think I will respond to Mac. He's an old friend, by 00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:22.247 the way on utility repairs. Mac, the city and the council had a big 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.486 confrontation about a year ago and we were just as upset as the citizens 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:30.635 were and we found out that at first the city said that it really wasn't 00:48:30.668 --> 00:48:34.267 the city that was doing the bad cuts for the utilities. It was the Arizona 00:48:34.300 --> 00:48:37.997 Public Service Salt River Project Gas Company and whatnot. And it turned 00:48:38.030 --> 00:48:42.566 out that it's about a 50 50 proposition. And I think you will find that 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.115 the utility cuts in the last few months are a lot better and are being 00:48:46.148 --> 00:48:49.155 supervised and monitored a little better, a lot better than they were some 00:48:49.188 --> 00:48:53.986 years ago. That doesn't excuse for a bad job. But I think we've got a 00:48:54.019 --> 00:49:01.767 handle on it on the bus system. Subsidy. Mac, I think we're in agreement 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.477 in a sense that we would like to have a bus system that supported itself. 00:49:06.510 --> 00:49:09.327 But I think the facts of the matter are that every city in the country 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.486 that has a city transportation system has to find some way of subsidizing 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.146 it in order to make it any kind of a system at all. And I will say that on 00:49:17.179 --> 00:49:20.006 the basis of the city of Phoenix, compared with any other major city, 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.467 anywhere near our size, we spend far less on our bus system. And I think, 00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:27.467 I think that the majority of the people in this community that I've talked 00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:31.155 to would like to see our bus system improve. I don't know if that's a fact 00:49:31.188 --> 00:49:35.345 of this audience or not as far as the district system. Mac. The only 00:49:35.378 --> 00:49:39.477 suggestion I would have is that the people voted on it in December of 1982. 00:49:39.510 --> 00:49:44.037 It is a fact. The issues that you bring up, I believe are valid ones. We 00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:48.925 sometimes do have problems of parochial thinking. But I think overall this 00:49:48.958 --> 00:49:51.916 council thinks first of the entire city before they think of their 00:49:51.949 --> 00:49:58.095 district. Now, we probably ought to get a little further into utility 00:49:58.128 --> 00:50:01.796 repair. And we might ask Ron Jensen in a moment. But first, I think the 00:50:01.829 --> 00:50:08.615 mayor would like to address the stadium issue. Mayor, 00:50:08.648 --> 00:50:14.925 I need to talk to you after the forum about your friends. 00:50:14.958 --> 00:50:19.526 A couple of things here that I think have gotten somewhat clouded during 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:25.327 the debate on the Phoenix Union campus. This as you know, is formerly the 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.186 principal high school in Phoenix, which now the Phoenix Union school 00:50:30.219 --> 00:50:34.896 district has decided that it has to sell because of various serious fiscal 00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:40.666 problems. This came on the market first about two years ago, a number of 00:50:40.699 --> 00:50:45.227 private developers talked about developing it and finally came up with 00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:51.186 some proposals, all of which involved destroying all of the historic 00:50:51.219 --> 00:50:54.977 buildings that are on that site and taking it completely out of public 00:50:55.010 --> 00:50:59.195 ownership. We have submitted to the voters in the new bond issue and the 00:50:59.228 --> 00:51:03.736 council just made this decision this week, a proposal which stands alone, 00:51:03.769 --> 00:51:10.175 it's for you to decide pro or con on to take about $13 million to purchase 00:51:10.208 --> 00:51:14.017 that real estate. It's about 26 acres. There is nothing in that proposal 00:51:14.050 --> 00:51:17.717 that calls for a dome stadium. There is no money which has been approved 00:51:17.750 --> 00:51:20.467 to build a dome stadium by the city of Phoenix. And I think that's real 00:51:20.500 --> 00:51:25.057 important because in the debate about this property that tends to be the 00:51:25.090 --> 00:51:28.595 overriding consideration. So whether you like it or you don't, and I 00:51:28.628 --> 00:51:33.115 suspect I know where you're coming from. Mr mcsweeney. But nonetheless, 00:51:33.148 --> 00:51:36.925 that is a question that's still up in the air and there's a study group 00:51:36.958 --> 00:51:40.615 which is currently coming back with a recommendation they're studying, I 00:51:40.648 --> 00:51:45.155 think six different sites. Phoenix Union is one of them and they are going 00:51:45.188 --> 00:51:48.416 to come back with a recommendation as to which one is preferable from a 00:51:48.449 --> 00:51:52.296 traffic point of view, from an economic point of view, from a general 00:51:52.329 --> 00:51:56.376 community impact point of view so that the jury is out on that. But 00:51:56.409 --> 00:51:59.865 assuming that they come back and overwhelmingly endorse Phoenix Union, 00:51:59.898 --> 00:52:04.566 that does not end the deal. We're committed as a council not to make any 00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:08.155 steps forward in that area until we've gone back to the process of 00:52:08.188 --> 00:52:12.916 consulting with people doing the public hearing route. And perhaps, and 00:52:12.949 --> 00:52:16.787 I'm sure before doing any kind of public expenditure, we would undoubtedly 00:52:16.820 --> 00:52:20.195 go to an advisory vote, but that's a long way down the road. What is 00:52:20.228 --> 00:52:23.856 happening right now is that the city has an opportunity with this piece of 00:52:23.889 --> 00:52:26.827 property to keep it in public ownership. And I think that's terribly 00:52:26.860 --> 00:52:29.467 important. There are some potential galleries there, there are some 00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:33.086 potential libraries, there's a wonderful auditorium, one of the best in 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.276 this city and a number of other properties which I think could be a 00:52:36.309 --> 00:52:39.977 tremendous building block for all of the city of Phoenix. I'm very 00:52:40.010 --> 00:52:44.526 enthusiastic about it. I think it's an option that if we miss we'll never 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:49.905 have again for this city. So that's some completely unbiased thoughts on 00:52:49.938 --> 00:52:54.635 Phoenix Union. I would like to say another thing on behalf of buses 00:52:54.668 --> 00:52:59.537 because very often you talk about the failure of fair box revenues to 00:52:59.570 --> 00:53:03.316 cover the cost of buses. And I think when you do that, you tend to forget 00:53:03.349 --> 00:53:06.456 that when people take buses to work, they don't drive their cars, they 00:53:06.489 --> 00:53:10.126 don't use parking spaces, they don't pollute the air, they don't crowd our 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.486 streets. Those are all benefits which we as citizens of this city get from 00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:18.796 having the service that buses provide. So there's a tremendous advantage 00:53:18.829 --> 00:53:22.827 that we get. And I think it's worthwhile if you do the total tally sheet. 00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:27.557 I think buses give a total back to the community, not the other way around. 00:53:27.590 --> 00:53:32.717 And finally, my staff, um we have done, I have a staff of three, by the 00:53:32.750 --> 00:53:35.396 way, in addition to some people that helped me out from the city manager's 00:53:35.429 --> 00:53:40.077 office, this is an important thing and it also relates to some staff 00:53:40.110 --> 00:53:43.727 members which now the city councilman have for the first time because what 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.436 we heard loud and clear in the last election was that the people of 00:53:46.469 --> 00:53:50.695 Phoenix wanted to be listened to on a more regular basis. And that's part 00:53:50.728 --> 00:53:55.186 of what these forums are all about. And we are getting approximately 3 to 00:53:55.219 --> 00:54:00.017 4 times the volume of calls and letters from constituents than previous 00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:04.336 councils got. And to do that, it is quite simply necessary. I go just 00:54:04.369 --> 00:54:08.026 about every hour that I can stay awake and they're still not possible to 00:54:08.059 --> 00:54:11.695 get to all the calls and all the letters and I need some assistance in 00:54:11.728 --> 00:54:16.106 that. I'm sorry if some groups don't have exactly the quota that they 00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:21.175 wanted. But with three people, it's hard to balance every single group in 00:54:21.208 --> 00:54:28.376 the city of Phoenix. Thank you. Oh, 00:54:28.409 --> 00:54:31.816 one issue which we only touched upon that Mr mcsweeney mentioned, which I 00:54:31.849 --> 00:54:36.126 think should be gone into a little deeper. Ron Jensen, our public works 00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:40.756 director might discuss with us, not only repairs of utility cuts but also 00:54:40.789 --> 00:54:46.017 the problem of new streets that suddenly have a torn up lane, which 00:54:46.050 --> 00:54:51.155 happens usually a day or two after they finish it. 00:54:51.188 --> 00:54:55.827 The problem of utility cuts in the streets is a real problem for us as 00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:59.845 well as the residents that have to use the streets. We in the public works 00:54:59.878 --> 00:55:04.046 department end up with the job of patching the street and rep patching the 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:08.316 street regardless of who did the original cut. And while you may think 00:55:08.349 --> 00:55:12.756 that it's a surface problem, it is basically a sub surface problem. What 00:55:12.789 --> 00:55:17.945 happens whether it be the water department or a utility company when they 00:55:17.978 --> 00:55:22.535 cut a trench that would be 4 to 6 ft deep, they remove all of the material 00:55:22.568 --> 00:55:27.343 and put a pipe back in and then they backfill that trench. And the key is 00:55:27.376 --> 00:55:32.113 to back filling it properly to put it back in compact it in layers and 00:55:32.146 --> 00:55:36.584 then bring it up to the proper grade and then put a surface material on it. 00:55:36.617 --> 00:55:40.363 And quite often you will see right after a job, a kind of a hump over 00:55:40.396 --> 00:55:46.842 that, that's a temporary patch, that traffic will then wear down. It will 00:55:46.875 --> 00:55:52.032 move down into the patch and then we'll come back in and eventually put in 00:55:52.065 --> 00:55:56.751 a permanent patch. However, the big problem is if the trench is not 00:55:56.784 --> 00:56:01.512 properly compacted in the first place, the first rain will allow water to 00:56:01.545 --> 00:56:06.693 soak in will soak into that material and it will sink. We come back and do 00:56:06.726 --> 00:56:10.890 it over again. Now, what we've done a number of years ago is was mentioned 00:56:10.923 --> 00:56:16.269 by Council Mick that there was a major program of really educating the 00:56:16.302 --> 00:56:20.820 utility companies and the city departments to really do a proper job of 00:56:20.853 --> 00:56:25.050 compaction the first time, if you do it right the first time, then we 00:56:25.083 --> 00:56:29.700 won't have those problems of continuous maintenance. So they have improved 00:56:29.733 --> 00:56:33.110 their act. They're doing a much better job. The engineering department 00:56:33.143 --> 00:56:37.227 provides inspection on as many jobs as they can. You know, with a 00:56:37.260 --> 00:56:40.369 development area that we have in Phoenix, there are contractors working 00:56:40.402 --> 00:56:45.207 all over the city, so some slip by, but we will do the best job we can to 00:56:45.240 --> 00:56:49.177 keep those patches as smooth as possible. Ron, the other question is part 00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:54.898 of the same issue was why do we pave a new street and then tear it up just 00:56:54.931 --> 00:56:57.657 shortly thereafter. Do you want to address that or do you want me to get 00:56:57.690 --> 00:57:01.639 Jim to do that? I think Jim Atterbury. Let's call, let's call on Jim 00:57:01.672 --> 00:57:06.517 Atterbury. Our city engineer, we've all seen that as a problem. A new 00:57:06.550 --> 00:57:09.776 street and all of a sudden a new utility line goes right across all that 00:57:09.809 --> 00:57:13.896 new striping and that new paving Jim. Yes, Councilman Cork mayor, 00:57:13.929 --> 00:57:16.977 everywhere we've been, we've talked about these cuts and we know they're a 00:57:17.010 --> 00:57:21.646 problem and a concern to the citizens. I would like to tell you though, 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.566 that there is a strong effort to try to reduce that on every major street 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.175 that we've done in the last eight or 10 years at streets like Camelback 00:57:29.208 --> 00:57:33.686 Indian School. Thomas, we have written letters to every property owner. 00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.436 We've taken time to research the property ownership. We've written to 00:57:36.469 --> 00:57:39.787 them told them we're going to improve the street. We've asked them to put 00:57:39.820 --> 00:57:45.115 in all the utilities they need ahead of the final paving course. So we're 00:57:45.148 --> 00:57:50.706 doing that many years ago. We're still doing that obviously in a growing 00:57:50.739 --> 00:57:54.586 city, a community like we have, there's going to be turnover of property, 00:57:54.619 --> 00:57:57.146 there's going to be redevelopment of property and we're facing some of 00:57:57.179 --> 00:58:02.316 that. We try very hard not to let any pavement cut occur within one year, 00:58:02.349 --> 00:58:06.626 but sometimes that isn't possible recently on a Thomas Road. Job out east. 00:58:06.659 --> 00:58:10.037 They cut it within a number of months. They had a gas leak. We had to fix 00:58:10.070 --> 00:58:14.247 the gas leaks, those things happen. But we do try very hard to try to 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:18.276 minimize that. We've got a meeting with the water and sewer director. 00:58:18.309 --> 00:58:21.787 There's been some improved equipment for his crews. We're getting some 00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:26.017 trucks to haul gravel material. They've gone into a training film, TV, 00:58:26.050 --> 00:58:28.896 training film for his crews to try to talk about the compaction that Ron 00:58:28.929 --> 00:58:32.307 Jensen talked about and these are the things we're going to try to do to 00:58:32.340 --> 00:58:35.856 improve it. And we want you to know that we're taking these kinds of 00:58:35.889 --> 00:58:39.095 thoughts back to the Streets Advisory Committee because they've asked us 00:58:39.128 --> 00:58:42.195 to, to bring this kind of information and try to improve it. We're working 00:58:42.228 --> 00:58:50.228 on it. Thank you, Jim. Uh another card from Bet Drucker. Bet 00:58:55.208 --> 00:58:58.146 you want to call the other card so you can be ready. Let's see, you got 00:58:58.179 --> 00:59:01.217 another card. 00:59:01.250 --> 00:59:07.675 The next, the next speaker will be Kenneth Wilder Wilder. Mr Mayor 00:59:07.708 --> 00:59:11.615 councilor clerk. First of all, I should like to express my personal thanks 00:59:11.648 --> 00:59:15.126 to see you both here tonight. This is one of your campaign promises, 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:18.827 campaign promises are always made and broken. I personally am very glad to 00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:24.467 see this one. Kept 00:59:24.500 --> 00:59:29.126 having been nice, Terry. I now have to take issue with one of your so 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:33.436 called experts. Mr Sparks. You spoke about 44th and camel back which is a 00:59:33.469 --> 00:59:38.175 great concern to us who live there. And about the left turn signals and I 00:59:38.208 --> 00:59:45.135 have gone over your hours of operation going eastbound at night. I can't 00:59:45.168 --> 00:59:50.066 figure out why you turn off that left turn signal at six o'clock at night. 00:59:50.099 --> 00:59:53.977 That is still peak hours of traffic. If you were there at 6 10 tonight, 00:59:54.010 --> 00:59:59.206 you'd have seen 14 cars waiting to turn left. So I would also urge that we 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:03.827 can have hopefully in the future 24 hour left, turn signals at 44th and 01:00:03.860 --> 01:00:08.227 camel back. My second comment about traffic is secondary streets. There 01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:13.615 are a lot of us trying to use secondary streets to get to and from work to 01:00:13.648 --> 01:00:19.066 alleviate the traffic to alleviate the waiting. What happens is going east 01:00:19.099 --> 01:00:24.155 on Stanford in the morning when you get to 32nd, we are penalized by 01:00:24.188 --> 01:00:28.635 waiting an extra 30 to 45 seconds for that green light to turn so that we 01:00:28.668 --> 01:00:33.885 can get into 32nd going south. Conversely coming home at night using 01:00:33.918 --> 01:00:38.595 Osborne and coming into 32nd, we are penalized again for about 30 to 45 01:00:38.628 --> 01:00:42.646 seconds to turn left going into the north. It seems to me that maybe we're 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.595 in a catch 22 situation, but in order to help those of us who want to use 01:00:46.628 --> 01:00:50.057 secondary streets to get home quicker and avoid the traffic that something 01:00:50.090 --> 01:00:54.175 can be looked at better timing of those lights. Also, while we're on the 01:00:54.208 --> 01:00:59.586 streets on the uh capital redevelopment here. It says something about work 01:00:59.619 --> 01:01:04.486 being done on Camelback between 40th and 44 speed and the years 1983 and 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:08.747 84 that is the one stretch of camel back that has not been repaved in 01:01:08.780 --> 01:01:11.836 quite a number of years. And I would like, and some of us who would like 01:01:11.869 --> 01:01:16.017 to know when that work is planned, the last thing I would like to discuss 01:01:16.050 --> 01:01:20.506 and really it isn't a discussion. It's a plea that the city council please 01:01:20.539 --> 01:01:28.539 keep high rises out of our neighborhood. 01:01:30.510 --> 01:01:35.166 There are many of us, many, many of us who have come to Phoenix to find a 01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:39.445 better lifestyle. Many of us left high rise cities where we couldn't even 01:01:39.478 --> 01:01:42.686 see stars at night. We don't want to look out of our windows and see 12 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.675 and 14 story buildings if you have to build buildings along camel back and 01:01:46.708 --> 01:01:50.336 I understand that we have to have business growth. I would suggest they be 01:01:50.369 --> 01:01:54.046 kept to two stories or less. So those of us who live within two or three 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:57.986 blocks of that major thoroughfare can continue to enjoy the good life in 01:01:58.019 --> 01:02:05.695 Phoenix. Thank you. Thank you. 01:02:05.728 --> 01:02:11.686 You mentioned the paving of 48 to 44th street and that's an issue that I 01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:16.727 have raised to the council several times. Come back. Road at that stretch 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:22.829 is really quite bad and I have happy news that it will be paved.