WEBVTT 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:09.440 federal account. And I just had a call from Betty Hutto saying that you 00:00:13.250 --> 00:00:19.377 had disapproved their credit for some reason. And I'm puzzled. Well, I 00:00:19.410 --> 00:00:23.486 don't I'm not up on it right the moment. I'd have to check it out. Well, 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:28.346 she just called me because we haven't had to run sunday. And she says in 00:00:28.379 --> 00:00:34.737 display at a classified display and she said she had a note from you not 00:00:34.770 --> 00:00:38.107 to accept any advertising. Not cash. Did they fill out a credit 00:00:38.140 --> 00:00:42.167 application or something? You know? Western is you sure it's under Western 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:45.067 Federal Corporation? Western Federal Corporation. What's your number there 00:00:45.100 --> 00:00:50.756 ? Let me check and call you back. My number is 25881688168. 00:00:50.789 --> 00:00:58.607 And this company who's a sales rep, you know, sale. No, not in our company 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.336 motto. Betty. Hello? Betty. Huh? I don't know. Betty. So advertising 00:01:03.369 --> 00:01:06.736 representative, you're on a Republican. She must be one of the newer ones. 00:01:06.769 --> 00:01:10.676 Okay, let me check on. And I'll get because we've got to do something 00:01:10.709 --> 00:01:15.307 about this sunday. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. 00:01:15.340 --> 00:01:21.477 Stay in this Model three public. Yeah. We wrote them a letter. We're 00:01:21.510 --> 00:01:25.747 requesting a guarantee since it's a new corporation and there's no 00:01:25.780 --> 00:01:31.777 sufficient background on them as far as giving credit. And I can hope to 00:01:31.810 --> 00:01:36.426 God you're talking about, we're talking about five inches. Well, we wanted 00:01:36.459 --> 00:01:39.897 to run another one, which is I'll go ahead and okay. But there I wrote him 00:01:39.930 --> 00:01:43.426 a letter asking them to send us a guarantee back. I'll be glad to do that. 00:01:43.459 --> 00:01:48.486 And it's The company's got $1 million dollars in most of its cash. It's 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:52.387 been a hell of a but we're looking at the credit background and they don't 00:01:52.420 --> 00:01:56.426 have a credit background. Well, they kept credit. Well, I mean on D. And B. 00:01:56.459 --> 00:01:59.456 What we've checked out in the references they gave us. In fact, one of 00:01:59.489 --> 00:02:03.536 the reference says they got him cash in advance. 00:02:03.569 --> 00:02:07.536 No, big pardon? Dun and Bradstreet didn't say that. No. No. I said one of 00:02:07.569 --> 00:02:13.057 the references they gave. Well maybe that I don't do that well, but we're 00:02:13.090 --> 00:02:17.416 just going by what we have to look at. We'll get a guarantee from. But I 00:02:17.449 --> 00:02:21.807 wrote him a letter. They have a letter that was mailed the 18th. So it's 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:26.446 if they won't be getting it to the day. See Right, so are good for it and 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:31.457 if they're not, I am, I'll go ahead and okay. Okay. And thank you cleared 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:34.566 for you. Okay? And I'll make sure they get whatever you want back to you. 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.707 Okay steve. Thank you. Thank you 00:02:38.740 --> 00:02:45.406 dramatically. Simon 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:52.006 Stuckey. S. T. Double O. K. E. Y. 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:56.307 Walker 00:02:56.340 --> 00:02:59.606 Watson 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:04.006 wolf, W. O. L. F. 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:09.506 And young blood. 00:03:09.539 --> 00:03:13.267 All right, thank you very much. I didn't find a familiar name there. I I 00:03:13.300 --> 00:03:17.767 know hein shape. Yes. Uh Well, Heights was on the committee last year, but 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:24.807 he's on sabbatical uh this semester. And so he declined to a secret 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.677 election for you. The august body of executive committee can understand 00:03:29.710 --> 00:03:33.217 and he's been pretty busy doing everything else with his appointment from 00:03:33.250 --> 00:03:38.126 the governor and the the Arizona League of towns and cities, etcetera. So 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:42.397 he's got a busy semester. All right, well, I'll see you next thursday. 00:03:42.430 --> 00:03:46.427 Look forward to it. And if you if you have something worked up by then 00:03:46.460 --> 00:03:50.707 please do bring it along. All right. I may or may not, but it's not it's 00:03:50.740 --> 00:03:57.096 not necessary. But if you do, I know in general, but I'd I'd like to to do 00:03:57.129 --> 00:04:01.707 if it would meet with your approval. Mm. Okay, well, let's have lunch and 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:07.807 discuss it. Fine, thank you, sir. Thank you. Bye bye. Mhm. 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:13.186 Now, I understand that you were on a some sort of committee that had to 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:19.116 deal with the the strike force, the four counties or the Now the narcotics 00:04:19.149 --> 00:04:25.897 strike force thing in Tucson. Am I correct? Some sort of Yeah. Can you 00:04:25.930 --> 00:04:29.687 tell me what that committee was about and what you tried to do what the 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:34.397 name of the committee was? And well, Jack august, the chairman, and I 00:04:34.430 --> 00:04:39.077 don't remember the exact formal title of it. The purpose of the committee 00:04:39.110 --> 00:04:47.110 was to look at the conflict between the strike force and GPS and the 00:04:47.430 --> 00:04:54.017 county sheriff and some police departments and try to find a a solution to 00:04:54.050 --> 00:04:59.577 the tensions. Uh huh. I recall that happened, but I must not have been 00:04:59.610 --> 00:05:03.906 paying attention to what was the final 00:05:03.939 --> 00:05:06.106 outcome. 00:05:06.139 --> 00:05:10.967 I don't have. I suggest the best thing to do would be to get the document 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:16.877 from Jack Dog because we made a report to the legislature urging some 00:05:16.910 --> 00:05:19.906 changes. 00:05:19.939 --> 00:05:23.306 I understand that 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:31.300 our Let me ask you this was the Strikeforce cooperative with your efforts. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.439 Well, in some ways, yes, we never could get their budget or they're 00:05:37.660 --> 00:05:40.707 manning tables. 00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:45.406 Yeah. Right. Um 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.996 When you when you say manning tables, what does that mean? Does that mean 00:05:50.029 --> 00:05:55.906 manpower? There were there 35 employees? You're 100 employees. You're 25. 00:05:55.939 --> 00:06:01.687 They have co opted employees, contributed members from a police 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:08.236 department or the Sheriff's office. So we never really knew how many the 00:06:08.269 --> 00:06:15.507 individuals were actively engaged in pursuing the strikeforce objectives. 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:17.906 Mhm. 00:06:17.939 --> 00:06:22.587 I take it from your answer to the to the to the question about cooperation 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:27.236 that in that in these ways at least they were they were not cooperative or 00:06:27.269 --> 00:06:32.606 refused to be cooperative or gave you a song and dance. 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:40.207 I don't know Bill whether the chairman or the requests the committee for 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:46.406 those specifics was ever pressed with them. I just know that we didn't get 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:54.439 that information. Uh huh. Can you tell me what what you found on a general 00:06:56.139 --> 00:07:01.467 level to be the problem between the DPS and the in the strike force and 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:09.366 everybody. Oh, it's just turf. That's all the the GPS was in the field 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.957 first and the strike force was informed and the strike force is very 00:07:13.990 --> 00:07:19.197 jealous of its prerogatives. And because it operated kind of outside of 00:07:19.230 --> 00:07:25.717 any budgetary supervision from the legislature, anybody else. It had been 00:07:25.750 --> 00:07:31.556 sort of an independent operation. And the strike force just damn sure 00:07:31.589 --> 00:07:37.406 didn't want to be consolidated with GPS, which would make the most sense. 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:43.437 And I voted, I think I was in the minority on the committee. I felt we 00:07:43.470 --> 00:07:47.767 should tell the legislature to put them together. Uh, there's a great 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:55.606 duplication of effort. There was some apprehension on my part and other 00:07:55.639 --> 00:08:03.207 people there about the the files the strikeforce set up. You could get in 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:08.147 that strike force. You might be in it. I might be in their criminal files. 00:08:08.180 --> 00:08:10.926 Did this come to your attention while you were doing the investigation? 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:18.517 Yes. Because they entered names on hearsay evidence. They entered names in 00:08:18.550 --> 00:08:24.616 their computer on the basis of we'll see an informant Douglas as well. I 00:08:24.649 --> 00:08:30.027 happen to know that Bill Leviton has been seeing SAM jones and we all know 00:08:30.060 --> 00:08:35.986 SAm jones is a big narcotic dealer. So they put you in there as a person 00:08:36.019 --> 00:08:41.807 who is known or no SaM jones. What was the period of that investigation? 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:49.840 The time frame? Oh, it was over. I think Maybe six or 8 months. What year 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:56.467 ? I'd have to go look, I think it was two years ago. Okay, asking maybe 00:08:56.500 --> 00:09:01.457 you get those dates And I'm foggy on the dates. And we went down and 00:09:01.490 --> 00:09:04.506 looked at their operation and they had some good things going, there's no 00:09:04.539 --> 00:09:11.557 doubt about it. Uh But they do operate pretty they're not audited by the 00:09:11.590 --> 00:09:18.636 state auditor for example. And there is no clear directive to the 00:09:18.669 --> 00:09:24.207 strikeforce saying this is your responsibility now do this and don't get 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:30.967 in the way of other people. The aspect which terrified me was the 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:36.537 probability that if both the strikeforce and GPS and uhh some other law 00:09:36.570 --> 00:09:42.187 enforcement agency were investigating the same subject, we might have a 00:09:42.220 --> 00:09:47.537 situation where one law enforcement officer shoots another in the DPS was 00:09:47.570 --> 00:09:54.947 not always informed that the strike force was following a suspect. And the 00:09:54.980 --> 00:10:00.366 the strike force was not always aware of the GPS had officers working on 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:06.006 that uh suspicious circumstances. Yeah. Mr Shannon, would you do an 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.447 interview with me about just what we've talked about? Oh an on camera 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:16.876 interview bill, I'd have to go and read my notes and and just privately I 00:10:16.909 --> 00:10:20.907 was kind of the son of a bit on the 00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:28.940 I wasn't overly impressed by the strike force and I felt that it was a 00:10:29.370 --> 00:10:32.717 gross duplication of effort, but I don't know that I want to get on camera 00:10:32.750 --> 00:10:38.126 with. Well that's you know, I've that's what I'm looking for is kind of 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:43.327 both sides. I'll be talking to people who are really pro, you know pro 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.746 that sort of thing. And I strike force, there's a lot of they do a lot of 00:10:46.779 --> 00:10:52.476 good things and they have a lot of expertise and their computer capability 00:10:52.509 --> 00:10:59.006 is something that the, the uh, DPS should have. But on the other hand, I 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:05.167 found out that most of the information in the strike force computer could 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.307 also be had from GPS. 00:11:09.340 --> 00:11:15.606 The problem being with GPS, that you had to know what you were looking for. 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:21.797 Yeah. Does that make sense to you? Uh in other words, in the general file 00:11:21.830 --> 00:11:25.896 of Watson warrants and arrest, etcetera in GPS, you might not find the 00:11:25.929 --> 00:11:31.026 guy's name, but if you call their confidential investigative sections and 00:11:31.059 --> 00:11:35.667 said, hey, I'm the chief of Police at Coolidge. And I've got a guy down 00:11:35.700 --> 00:11:42.006 here I think might be involved in narcotics and his name is Henry Garcia. 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:49.009 You'd find that DPS had almost as much information as the strike force. 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.639 Well, um, I would like to get somebody directly involved in this thing, 00:11:55.409 --> 00:11:59.366 you know, on camera saying, you know, whatever you want to say. But I'd 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:04.947 like to get I'd like to get these facts if you consider them to be, you 00:12:04.980 --> 00:12:07.937 know, I consider them to be pertinent. And I guess I could stand up there 00:12:07.970 --> 00:12:13.297 and say them, but I'd sure like to get you or somebody to well, have you 00:12:13.330 --> 00:12:19.077 talked to Jack og No, I haven't, I haven't talked to him. And but he might 00:12:19.110 --> 00:12:23.187 not reflect your same opinion. Well, I think there was some others on the 00:12:23.220 --> 00:12:31.220 committee who uh who grasped the Ray Shaffer uh, understood that there was 00:12:31.830 --> 00:12:39.167 great duplication. Uh, I'm sure that Cynthia Hazleton understood that the 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.346 final recommendation was kind of like those things usually are kind of 00:12:43.379 --> 00:12:49.307 watered down. Innocuous little recommendation. Uh huh. 00:12:49.340 --> 00:12:54.256 Um, how do I reach check? You don't happen to have a number for him, but 00:12:54.289 --> 00:13:00.226 he's a judge on the appellate court. Okay, vernon Hoy certainly is well 00:13:00.259 --> 00:13:06.006 aware of the of the problem. Is he still in town? Yeah. 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:11.467 Okay. Well, I can't talk you into an interview with me and Bill. I've been 00:13:11.500 --> 00:13:16.886 in so damaged trouble after me for so long for a variety of things. And 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:22.146 this is not a great cause with me, some things that I feel very strongly 00:13:22.179 --> 00:13:27.866 about one of us the condition of city streets. You know what the city does. 00:13:27.899 --> 00:13:32.437 They let any goddamn contractor cut the payment and then they don't say 00:13:32.470 --> 00:13:36.687 fix so he fills it with asphalt, concrete and you bump over it because 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.116 it's cheaper for you to settle it with your car than it is for him to 00:13:40.149 --> 00:13:44.537 Tampa and prepare the surface And then it sinks below the grade and you 00:13:44.570 --> 00:13:48.417 bump through it and they're destroyed. If you drive 32nd Street was just 00:13:48.450 --> 00:13:52.557 beautiful two years ago, it's now cut and cut and cut in the same is true 00:13:52.590 --> 00:13:58.577 of camelback and pavement cuts can be repaired. Aps cut the payment on 00:13:58.610 --> 00:14:03.037 first street from Roosevelt for four blocks south and you can't detect 00:14:03.070 --> 00:14:07.937 other than the difference in color, but the city just won't demand these 00:14:07.970 --> 00:14:13.106 contractors by God fix it right. They won't do it. They won't do it. 00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:16.967 Tasers, wow. The roads are, the roads are going to hell. I don't know what 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:21.207 to tell you, But that's an ax. I'd like to grind. I just think it's 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:25.707 terrible. And they had somebody from the city doctor are common. His club 00:14:25.740 --> 00:14:29.506 and his response is, well, we don't have the manpower to police and hell. 00:14:29.539 --> 00:14:34.506 They gotta give the contractor a permit to cut it. 00:14:34.539 --> 00:14:37.766 But if you drive around town, you'll see that what is really destroying a 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:44.126 lot of our roads is the the poor repair of payment. 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:48.526 Well, I can believe it. The problem is who do you juice? You know, who do 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:54.707 you get Ed Hall? Who is he? He's the he's the superintendent, the streets 00:14:54.740 --> 00:14:57.707 , 00:14:57.740 --> 00:15:03.376 the Superintendent streets. I've got a big file on this damn legislative 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:08.256 committee and I'll try to get it out and go through it and see if I can 00:15:08.289 --> 00:15:12.707 find anything there that would really help you? And if I can, I'll make it 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:17.057 available. Okay? Um, 00:15:17.090 --> 00:15:25.090 If I do um let me ask you, have we been talking on the record here? Can I 00:15:25.940 --> 00:15:32.146 coach verbally or huh? Oh gosh. I'd rather you wouldn't. Okay. Well, what 00:15:32.179 --> 00:15:38.346 I decided to do it. I'll do it. But uh, I've just been in so many 00:15:38.379 --> 00:15:43.516 controversies, I'd kinda like to stay away from stay low, Keep your head 00:15:43.549 --> 00:15:47.577 down. Well let me look back through. All right, well let me urge you to do 00:15:47.610 --> 00:15:54.606 it if if you can if you see your way through to it because I've got uh 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:59.407 every time I do stories on this strike force I I'm afraid I look at it 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:04.407 kind of like you do and of course I've um I may not be the exact person to 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:09.547 be doing it, but I got a directive from home relating to do it. So who is 00:16:09.580 --> 00:16:13.927 just gonna be the spokesman for the strike force? I'm not sure. I guess 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:19.106 Grimble was down here yesterday on the appropriations committee and 00:16:19.139 --> 00:16:22.657 grandma doesn't like me and I don't like him and steve neely doesn't like 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:28.726 me and I'm kind of ambiguous about him. So I don't know. I don't know. 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.026 Have you talked to Alan? Oh yes, 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:41.059 Well Alan Schmidt suggested you. Yeah. So that's where we well let me look 00:16:43.870 --> 00:16:49.447 back to the notes and see if I can find anything that uh the problem is 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:54.587 that it's not a black and white. Yeah. Well they're not all bad guys. Well 00:16:54.620 --> 00:17:00.937 I'm sure they're not but I you know we're starting to you can't just 00:17:00.970 --> 00:17:05.147 doesn't seem to me that you can generate that much, press all of a sudden 00:17:05.180 --> 00:17:08.887 and not have you know and not be able to come out with some answers 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:13.026 because generally the press, if you give them an answer, you know, that's 00:17:13.059 --> 00:17:17.447 logical and you're talking about all these complaints that are surfacing 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.137 now. Yeah, I don't know what to do about that. I don't know whether 00:17:21.170 --> 00:17:28.877 they're to or are not true. I'm because you can't they won't let you into 00:17:28.910 --> 00:17:33.806 their computer. You can't really tell how many innocent people they have 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:38.717 in there. But when they explained to us how you got in the computer, it 00:17:38.750 --> 00:17:42.256 became immediately where I think everybody who was on the committee that 00:17:42.289 --> 00:17:49.657 there was some danger, Huh? Do you think Jack og might talk to me? How do 00:17:49.690 --> 00:17:54.256 you spell his last name? O G O. G. And he's a judge in the appellate court 00:17:54.289 --> 00:17:59.927 here in town? Okay. Sandra O'Connor was on and she's in a fella court 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:06.387 judge. Mhm. Okay. Cynthia Hazleton was on that committee. Okay. And 00:18:06.420 --> 00:18:09.407 Monsignor Donohoe, 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:15.127 Who might be a good one. And then there's a member of the legislature who 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:20.937 used to be a city police officer. I can't think he's naming him because it 00:18:20.970 --> 00:18:25.377 escaped me. But he, you know, he came out of a police background and he 00:18:25.410 --> 00:18:32.117 was I think had some strong opinions about it. Okay, Right, well, why 00:18:32.150 --> 00:18:36.786 don't you look back at your notes and see what you think and uh if if you 00:18:36.819 --> 00:18:40.657 can think you'd like to and let me again urge you then we'll give me a 00:18:40.690 --> 00:18:47.140 buzz. Otherwise, I appreciate you talking to me, sir already that way.Mhm