WEBVTT 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:04.606 Yeah, 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:09.976 travels on car receipts. Another about rail. You take too much time to go 00:00:10.009 --> 00:00:16.177 in the other way and I'm going to Mhm. I don't have any automobile and I'm 00:00:16.210 --> 00:00:18.506 sure 00:00:18.539 --> 00:00:23.236 they never lovely to have it all. It would be in the process. No, the 00:00:23.269 --> 00:00:25.706 sheriff hart 00:00:25.739 --> 00:00:30.997 Mhm. Well the population I suppose was It was pretty well centered in the 00:00:31.030 --> 00:00:37.506 made up 10 places was it? No, it was what he was given scatter out even 00:00:37.539 --> 00:00:41.296 though I was mining 00:00:41.329 --> 00:00:47.506 counties for Body castle like tequila, you know Global. 00:00:47.539 --> 00:00:50.667 There's Douglas 00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:56.487 I hope going there. I guess a lot of places with minds and then tom like 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:04.406 phoenix and Tucson and Prescott humor. Life's a Douglas. It was a varied 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:09.257 mining industry was the principal industrial state that isn't produced 00:01:09.290 --> 00:01:14.406 more riveting than anything else at that time. But there was agricultural 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:20.807 development saw the rebel and you replace it like that. So 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:22.906 yeah. 00:01:22.939 --> 00:01:28.107 What happened? Was it? Well, I was the sheriff. 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:33.016 If they caught a man for me or I had a paper to serve the songs or 00:01:33.049 --> 00:01:40.956 something else. Some place I go do it myself. I didn't send a deputy. Well 00:01:40.989 --> 00:01:45.397 by going around yourself. I went around myself during the seven years. 00:01:45.430 --> 00:01:49.936 Don't you see you made contacts and yes, I would have been in the 00:01:49.969 --> 00:01:55.167 courthouse. Isn't. Yeah, I got acquainted with the city marshals, peace 00:01:55.200 --> 00:02:03.200 officers, General, United States Marshals, customs officers like that then 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:07.307 they moved the penitentiary from 00:02:07.340 --> 00:02:14.247 you are Up to Florence which is Cuba was west of Phoenix. About 200 models 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.136 floors of East Phoenix About 50 miles and there was a branch road went up 00:02:19.169 --> 00:02:27.169 there. All the traffic was, that's particularly by real. So prisoners 00:02:27.219 --> 00:02:32.166 convicted in southern Arizona came into Maricopa right in between the 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:37.536 train, came in the evening and we put them in jail overnight for them and 00:02:37.569 --> 00:02:42.406 help them get on the train in the morning for the same way about north 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:48.267 from Prescott Kingman flags there. So where are they? Somebody was 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:53.337 convicted, bring him down, we put them in a deal with that. I got 00:02:53.370 --> 00:02:57.476 acquainted with him that way and it favors for the deputies, the sheriff's 00:02:57.509 --> 00:03:03.906 , although the opportunity they go around town in the evening and so on. 00:03:03.939 --> 00:03:08.967 Aldo. I got to know them well then I also knew that officers have been 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:17.000 the National Guard. Yeah, seven or 8 years, seven years. So that, that was 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.707 the only acquaintance I had. Hmm so well 00:03:23.740 --> 00:03:31.656 there was talking about who chanted, well Mark calm, it was Georgia. Call 00:03:31.689 --> 00:03:37.277 the family down there are very fair political balance. He was a call the 00:03:37.310 --> 00:03:43.006 engineer at Greenlee County and a member of our pursuit of the legend, 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:49.436 Mulford Windsor, a newspaper man in Yuma. He was a member to costumes and 00:03:49.469 --> 00:03:53.226 they announced earlier that they were going to run for congress. Everybody 00:03:53.259 --> 00:03:59.297 thought that was one of the other one would be it. Yeah. And uh, so I 00:03:59.330 --> 00:04:05.446 never said a word to a living soul about theater candidate Until I was 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.906 back at Camp Perry, Ohio, the National Rifle matches. He'd finish the team 00:04:09.939 --> 00:04:14.136 matches. I had 10 and you could win some individual matches if you wanted 00:04:14.169 --> 00:04:21.187 to. And pray. The tap issued his proclamation that upon drafting of the 00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:26.736 constitution and the election of officials and so on, certain things be 00:04:26.769 --> 00:04:34.769 done. Arizona new Mexico will become safe. Yeah. So I have never spoken to 00:04:35.899 --> 00:04:39.457 a living soul about Ron because they have MS Hayman, she says you've got 00:04:39.490 --> 00:04:47.490 your nerve and use on sticks 00:04:48.459 --> 00:04:54.416 Frank. You call him up and said he's gonna come here. You're coming up 00:04:54.449 --> 00:04:57.856 here at 3:00. Just 00:04:57.889 --> 00:05:01.606 give thanks. 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:06.687 Thanks young. Maybe I better call me. I want you to call Banks up and tell 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:11.507 him that I just talked to Murphy and Murphy said 00:05:11.540 --> 00:05:18.806 He'd be here right after 3:00 and I told him I'd be here. All right. 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:23.996 Oh Mr Hammond here senator. He's a little early. What? Mr Fallon Hambleton 00:05:24.029 --> 00:05:29.056 is here. You have a problem with him at 11:00. He's a little early. Well, 00:05:29.089 --> 00:05:33.926 we can uh we'll be through in for five minutes. Tell him good. You just 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.736 finished the story and then we'll get out of the way. Well, so I say I 00:05:38.769 --> 00:05:43.647 never told anybody that was going to be a candidate until the present to 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:49.067 have issued his proclamation. Then I told the rivals a team there where 00:05:49.100 --> 00:05:52.567 I'm going to run for Congress. They said fine, 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:59.577 we're all for you. Well, so left over Chicago. I spoke to Miss Hayden. She 00:05:59.610 --> 00:06:02.897 came up to me said that you're going to come, we don't have a good picture. 00:06:02.930 --> 00:06:06.746 And we asked for the best photographer. Was a man named Sykes took a 00:06:06.779 --> 00:06:10.406 picture with me. But you've been in the sheriff's office in phoenix in the 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:16.116 former sheriff, but it's there in the well, I don't like that. That 11 or 00:06:16.149 --> 00:06:21.697 is it? But I had a big wide brim hat, Yes, white bread, half pretty good 00:06:21.730 --> 00:06:28.437 looking young fellow. And I use that a little folder, uh, picture 00:06:28.470 --> 00:06:36.470 alongside a little statement of what I stood for. And then the only 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:42.207 newspaper support I had any kind was from an old fella named Sam small, 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.046 cool been a noticed evangelist. But he was with us has been for a long 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:51.616 time ago Chicago. The Leia constituted a newspaper man. He found a little 00:06:51.649 --> 00:06:56.656 weekly paper feelings and I got acquainted with her and I went to see him. 00:06:56.689 --> 00:07:02.517 He wrote a very nice little about a half column story. That's all I had 00:07:02.550 --> 00:07:08.476 in the way of camp and not one newspaper in Arizona supported me, not a 00:07:08.509 --> 00:07:12.176 daily and another weekly. We're all tied up. The other men have been 00:07:12.209 --> 00:07:17.387 running so long. All tied up for somebody winds up being a newspaper man 00:07:17.420 --> 00:07:22.906 like they were friendly to humans and 00:07:22.939 --> 00:07:28.087 all during the campaign, there was no mention that I had a chance. I was 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.746 just totally ignored. 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:37.207 And I know what you said, you were terribly, terribly disappointed and all 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.767 that kind of Well, I went down to Yuma, I told him I didn't come to get 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:44.087 any roots and whether it was a fine man and I just came down to get 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.916 acquainted with your normal, difficult. I'd like Greenlee County told the 00:07:47.949 --> 00:07:52.147 same thing. I carried every county in the state. But those two and 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:56.846 cautious, I lost the 19 votes. And you you attributed mainly to the 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:02.666 friends. You have made peace officers and the national guardsmen. They 00:08:02.699 --> 00:08:06.217 were a young man and they just got out and did the job for me. That's what 00:08:06.250 --> 00:08:14.250 I'm used to it. I'll get out of the way. 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.306 Uh 00:08:21.339 --> 00:08:29.339 He and major sentiment for Mhm To surviving considered soldiers that 00:08:30.779 --> 00:08:35.807 served the confederate army who remembers the Congress at that time. And 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:41.146 so both are hard to me. 00:08:41.179 --> 00:08:47.547 They both terrifying men. Well, I was over in the house uh I've been there 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:51.376 a terrible law. So I remember they had an agricultural appropriation bill. 00:08:51.409 --> 00:08:55.407 Oh and 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.797 there was some money to fight forest fires in the bill. And a motion was 00:08:59.830 --> 00:09:04.256 made to increase that amount because it had fire. Well, we've had a big 00:09:04.289 --> 00:09:10.287 for quite a big for fire up wrong Flagstaff at all. So I thought, well, I 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:14.707 can chip in my two bits worth. And uhh 00:09:14.740 --> 00:09:18.547 tell him that I think it's a good a mainland. I thought of the five minute 00:09:18.580 --> 00:09:23.776 rule. I just said if you were not to that effect. I came down and sat down 00:09:23.809 --> 00:09:27.047 next time about telling, you know, I just didn't know what it is. You just 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:32.047 had to tell was that your first year uh was that in your first year? Yes, 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.697 that was a long and I came in february and this must have been a long 00:09:35.730 --> 00:09:39.907 march april sometime. But that's the first time I spoke on the floor of 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:44.106 the house was something I thought I knew about. Mhm. I said I met him. He 00:09:44.139 --> 00:09:48.256 says, well, he said he just couldn't hold. If you hadn't talked to that 00:09:48.289 --> 00:09:51.726 reporter took down every word you said, it's just going to be in the 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.746 record for all time to come. He said, I thought a lot of cool things when 00:09:54.779 --> 00:09:57.116 I first came around, we should get out of that record was you can't ever 00:09:57.149 --> 00:10:01.907 get it out there. Just be careful about what you say. Then he gave me some 00:10:01.940 --> 00:10:07.506 good advice. He said, no, you're new here. It's just like a man coming to 00:10:07.539 --> 00:10:11.577 a new town with only the bottom. We'll observe him if he pays his bills 00:10:11.610 --> 00:10:14.807 and he's honest and tell the truth 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:19.427 by violating status conference. And just along, he said, you've got to do 00:10:19.460 --> 00:10:24.616 the same thing that they belong to a committee, know what is in every bill 00:10:24.649 --> 00:10:29.037 was reported out of committee. Sure you understand it thoroughly. And if 00:10:29.070 --> 00:10:31.986 somebody 00:10:32.019 --> 00:10:37.307 misrepresents the facts on the floor. Get up and correct him by the table. 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:41.687 This fellow, that's what he's talking about. See it was sure you're right. 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.457 You know what you're doing? Did he use that figure of speech about work 00:10:45.490 --> 00:10:48.856 horses and show horses? Well, he said, he said, you know, there's two 00:10:48.889 --> 00:10:53.136 kinds of congressman, their workforces and the show horses. And he said, 00:10:53.169 --> 00:10:58.016 you've got to be a workforce. That's what I'm trying to be for that matter. 00:10:58.049 --> 00:11:06.049 And it looks like you proved it was pretty good advice. Well, uh, 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.506 first place I would never any or anyhow, the other thing on the other hand 00:11:10.539 --> 00:11:15.006 , had business. And I 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:20.947 okay, present facts. Talk factually about things other as I made it a 00:11:20.980 --> 00:11:24.307 business. You gotta follow the old man advice. Did brian, does William 00:11:24.340 --> 00:11:27.827 Jennings, bryan, also talk to you about what you ought to do when you got 00:11:27.860 --> 00:11:32.516 here. When I left feelings that day to come back to Washington, I give out 00:11:32.549 --> 00:11:36.766 to America for this junction. Or I told you 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:41.266 w. J Bryant happened to get on the train that was coming in the east. He 00:11:41.299 --> 00:11:47.037 was coming east trip, nope you are. He was going to Tucson to see his son 00:11:47.070 --> 00:11:50.976 and one of his sons wasn't in very good health. And then moved down to 00:11:51.009 --> 00:11:55.947 Tucson and Tucson to meet the boy visit with him. And so I wrote for 00:11:55.980 --> 00:12:03.980 America over Tucson really. Mine. It's 100 mi and I introduced myself and 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:10.717 then he recognized I met him before he was campaigning out there and the 00:12:10.750 --> 00:12:16.226 fact that I introduced him it on top of the meeting 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:24.207 and he said now he said uhh 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.407 don't make any fourth of july speech. Is that they all make them instead 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.506 of you started fourth of july account of speech. I just read the newspaper 00:12:31.539 --> 00:12:37.376 , they won't. But he said, if you give me facts, listen, then he told me 00:12:37.409 --> 00:12:43.006 that his first speech in the house when he came there first time, whether 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.606 he was observed a contractor doing some painting work here in the district 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.457 and made up his mind that he was cheating the district and he got his 00:12:52.490 --> 00:12:58.006 facts do it up there and expose the contractor on the floor and said I got 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:02.837 Close to 10. You didn't talk about free silver, gold or anything like that. 00:13:02.870 --> 00:13:08.116 He talked about a paving contract. The District of Columbia where you 00:13:08.149 --> 00:13:11.937 thought the contractor was cheating the district and the house listen to 00:13:11.970 --> 00:13:17.917 it. You have your facts and you'll get along to save a line of the old man 00:13:17.950 --> 00:13:24.307 gave me was the federal Aid highways program. Was that the first big thing 00:13:24.340 --> 00:13:29.907 that you got interested in? Well, I had that Federal Aid Highway act was 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:33.726 passed over in the house under the sponsorship of a man named Dorset 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:41.467 Shackelford Missouri. And oh, I did was, yeah, Kind of chip in and say it 00:13:41.500 --> 00:13:45.807 was a good thing. I will not remember the committee was interested in 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:51.967 because I knew that. How important was that? 1916? The first one was that 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:58.726 about 1916 1st. Yes it was highway about 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:06.759 1916 17. I know it is under discussion because 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.437 after the bill passed, 00:14:11.470 --> 00:14:16.557 the killer always had this story about how he and john Bankhead Bankhead 00:14:16.590 --> 00:14:21.947 has sponsored it over here and sugar would have in the house and back head 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:27.547 here and john Bankhead and wanted to get some money to get the president 00:14:27.580 --> 00:14:33.837 to recommend some money to start it off. And he said the president don't 00:14:33.870 --> 00:14:38.157 like me like he does you color and I want you to go with me down in the 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:46.077 White House and talk to him about spirits. So They went down and they 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:49.427 agreed that they get about $3 billion dollars to start it will be a pretty 00:14:49.460 --> 00:14:55.106 good little start. Go on. So 00:14:55.139 --> 00:14:58.947 they wouldn't talk to the president about And the president said I had a 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:04.026 grave doubt about whether I'll sign that bill. I said I don't know about 00:15:04.059 --> 00:15:08.467 the government going into rural business. Uh huh. So there's authority to 00:15:08.500 --> 00:15:14.106 do it. I've been in the constitution has developed post closer roads and 00:15:14.139 --> 00:15:18.917 just after Well that was the right thing to do and not what McKellen woke 00:15:18.950 --> 00:15:22.907 up and looked like. We might get to see the World War and started 14. But 00:15:22.940 --> 00:15:26.726 like we might get in trouble. Yeah. And he said, well did you ever think 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:32.276 Mr credit about the military uses of this? If we had trouble, they had to 00:15:32.309 --> 00:15:38.516 move troops quickly? Why the the highway system will be beneficial. We 00:15:38.549 --> 00:15:45.106 thought, I never thought about that. And they talked along. 00:15:45.139 --> 00:15:49.976 I don't remember the exact favor with his 20 million dollars or something 00:15:50.009 --> 00:15:56.636 like that. He was a good size and he prepares for how does that do see? 00:15:56.669 --> 00:16:03.327 And no, I understand that when the sun from three million they were going 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:09.067 to ask for help if they jump like the old bank and then we were fated. I 00:16:09.100 --> 00:16:13.996 believe that. But the president recommended it and they made the first 00:16:14.029 --> 00:16:19.307 appropriation. How was that before the Hayden caught right bill. Oh yes, 00:16:19.340 --> 00:16:27.340 This was way back in the 19. Well it's not like him to the Senate and key 00:16:27.450 --> 00:16:33.587 pittman and of Nevada and will king of Utah said I had had experience 00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:38.407 handling appropriations of the House to see at the top time they 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:44.407 agriculture permitted reported out the committee of appropriation. I was 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:49.907 on the committee of indian affairs asked for that when I first came and I 00:16:49.940 --> 00:16:55.407 finally got to be chairman of it. And I reported indian appropriation 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:02.856 bills in the house and we got $12 million a year ago. Big Ben. But I had a 00:17:02.889 --> 00:17:10.016 appropriating experience. They said they were just sister part of the 00:17:10.049 --> 00:17:13.296 country would rebel and I must go on there. They have on the committee. So 00:17:13.329 --> 00:17:15.907 I woke up with a week after their on the appropriations committee had to 00:17:15.940 --> 00:17:20.286 expect it at all in the Senate, I didn't ask for the post Office and post 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:24.947 roads committee, but they put me on it. Well, the killer had that 00:17:24.980 --> 00:17:29.597 chairmanship and uh, of course I came along right next to him in the 00:17:29.630 --> 00:17:35.667 committee of course time and he finally, we finally agreed that he would 00:17:35.700 --> 00:17:40.427 look after the post office department and I look after the post road. So 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:45.667 along in the thirties, you see after Roosevelt came here. But then I 00:17:45.700 --> 00:17:51.687 reported out about have it done in time. All of these every two year bills. 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:59.006 One of the Haiti Cartwright act. That act was this way 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:05.167 at this point during the October 10th interview We ran on the tape. And so 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:11.086 there's a jump here to ah until we picked up with another roles. But we're 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:19.119 still continuing october 10, 1961. 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:26.506 India public lands. Uh huh. Great irrigation and reclamation area. Glad to 00:18:26.539 --> 00:18:33.006 have them up. So I'm not about four companies that I had that work of 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:38.177 local reports of the people mistake. I asked, well, I don't know what it 00:18:38.210 --> 00:18:42.437 wants them to happen. Did the indians have the vote in those days? I know 00:18:42.470 --> 00:18:46.907 that graduate that was way back 00:18:46.940 --> 00:18:53.377 1920s when they put an act in that the declared America soon. Hmm. Does 00:18:53.410 --> 00:18:57.597 they do they all vote now. They're all entitled vote. Well, it's a, we 00:18:57.630 --> 00:19:03.687 have, there's also at least an educational qualification. But I mean the 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.736 fact that they're indians is no bar or if the man like anybody else 00:19:08.769 --> 00:19:16.769 qualifies us as being able to read and write and no once, uhh a little 00:19:17.299 --> 00:19:20.066 while the reservation doesn't prevent them from voting. He does it. Oh no 00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:23.816 , they can both be if they're qualified. I see stay with any other stuff. 00:19:23.849 --> 00:19:31.849 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:40.056 So when you first came to the house, I suppose, uh, there wasn't much 00:19:40.089 --> 00:19:46.207 irrigation or reclamation in the west was there Back in 1912. 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:53.306 I mean they had artificial irrigation. Yes, they call, don't you see, 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:56.397 here are all about, 00:19:56.430 --> 00:20:02.957 there's two things that about me think of the west. He, by executive order 00:20:02.990 --> 00:20:10.097 reserved a great area for forest. Sir. Our service. He did the same way 00:20:10.130 --> 00:20:14.927 about national parks and monuments and things like them. Well, they passed 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:22.887 an act saying he couldn't continue to do that. But that he could do have 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:28.867 to refer to Congress. Well, he just got our order taking into damp forests 00:20:28.900 --> 00:20:34.536 and parks and everything else. And then signed the act. Mm hmm. So tied up 00:20:34.569 --> 00:20:37.726 with a lot of it had to be taken out of the forest because one before a 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:42.897 planned, but that was why we have the big forest reserve action of theater 00:20:42.930 --> 00:20:50.407 royal in the same way they passed the reclamation law under his 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:56.806 administration which authorized the, 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.207 the 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:05.117 receipts from the sale of public land speed devoted to recommended storage 00:21:05.150 --> 00:21:11.617 of water and irrigation. And the, that started it all under that salt 00:21:11.650 --> 00:21:15.617 River project was the first one there alone built. 00:21:15.650 --> 00:21:19.967 That was before I came to Congress. That probably was under constructive 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:25.687 while I was there. So that it was reclamation was established going 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:29.597 concern what I came in later years. They've gone way beyond this. Just 00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:37.630 using receipts from, oh, well, we began appropriating amended directly and 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:42.276 then it had to be returned to the Treasury and then joe man and I, we got 00:21:42.309 --> 00:21:48.127 through the romantic amendment that when it was repeated to still stay in 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.286 the reclamation fund. 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:58.657 So they have now a reclamation fund that is used that it's sufficient that 00:21:58.690 --> 00:22:02.806 we make direct appropriations on top of that. 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:09.246 So to How have they grown ups say since 1912, the annual expenditures for 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:14.316 I mentioned, it's just gone out by material every morning. But on the 00:22:14.349 --> 00:22:20.276 other hand, the thing, it's so hard to get through people's head is they 00:22:20.309 --> 00:22:27.506 just looked where you spend this money and uhh, it's interest free. And uh 00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:30.207 , 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:36.677 I don't, uh, pork barrel say. As a matter of fact, it's an investment in 00:22:36.710 --> 00:22:43.726 the capital investment in the, the natural resources of the nation. How, 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:49.597 for instance, the solar project. Now it's returning to the Treasury income 00:22:49.630 --> 00:22:55.857 tax and excess profits, taxes and saw more than the entire across that 00:22:55.890 --> 00:23:02.447 project every year. Isn't that what started Arizona and the southwest 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.707 raising cotton and other crops that they never raised before? Well, they 00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:12.617 graphically got in the cotton growing and I think that kind that was more 00:23:12.650 --> 00:23:18.336 available. Yeah. The land without it. They couldn't have. I guess that's 00:23:18.369 --> 00:23:26.197 also accounted for the increase in population of their floors and alone. 00:23:26.230 --> 00:23:30.217 I had people write me this last year for miracle college new settlers when 00:23:30.250 --> 00:23:34.756 people come in. I didn't know when they bought it. I suspect between us 00:23:34.789 --> 00:23:39.986 and some of them were retired people who came out here. They have so much 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:43.847 to buy a home and live on and the costs went up and he just didn't want 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:47.566 her taxes or anything else spend. They tell me about pulled for this 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:53.147 outrageous pork barrel of public works bill that the president veto. I 00:23:53.180 --> 00:23:57.006 told him that phoenix a little town, 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:05.039 10, people, floods came up to jefferson street and that washed out the 00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:12.306 dams that brush standard supply canal if I wouldn't have water and so on 00:24:12.339 --> 00:24:19.127 and it's necessary to store that water in a jam. So that was a public 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:24.336 works project and we built the Roosevelt dam when they damage generated 00:24:24.369 --> 00:24:32.369 power. So I brought cheap power down. Yes, it is that I don't think it was 00:24:32.690 --> 00:24:36.957 started as the first project of the United States after the reclamation 00:24:36.990 --> 00:24:42.157 act was passed and it was completed just about the time I was elected to 00:24:42.190 --> 00:24:44.407 Congress 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.877 way 00:24:48.910 --> 00:24:53.086 back. That's that's the first one in the United States from the 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:58.107 reformation law. I was named after teddy, I suppose. Yes, a federal came 00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:05.627 out of a dedicated mm you go out with a speech there was completed. So how 00:25:05.660 --> 00:25:09.816 far along is this Central Valley project? The Central Arizona project? Has 00:25:09.849 --> 00:25:16.447 that ever been started? Well, there's a case where there was a dispute 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.766 over who had the water in the Colorado River, we could use all of 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:25.976 California, could use all mm California claimed that they had taken it 00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:29.286 first and they needed it the worst and there were more people there and so 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:34.726 on and they actually did the work. Uh, well, the subtitle with the Boulder 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.556 Dam fighting him anyway and was out of the separate question of power. The 00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:42.907 Boulder Dam was, 00:25:42.940 --> 00:25:46.907 that's a long story, was backed up. 00:25:46.940 --> 00:25:53.907 It's order up, yep, understanding about the stories of orderly 00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:58.286 Phil swing. And I went down to see who said that can't get an agreement 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:03.907 among the States because unless you get up some kind of a compact between 00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:11.076 them and it won't do to have some ordinary person of the United States. 00:26:11.109 --> 00:26:16.147 You're the Secretary of Commerce. Yeah, you've got a reputation as a 00:26:16.180 --> 00:26:23.107 great engineer and you should become the Federal Representative on that 00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:28.847 commission, the state appointed commissioners to negotiate and he presided. 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:35.076 Well, I met, met one place to another. Didn't agree on anything. I went 00:26:35.109 --> 00:26:38.617 out to talk to him one day that I sorry, I took this thing are never going 00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:42.707 to get anywhere. That list of your local politician. 00:26:42.740 --> 00:26:46.637 You just wait till after the election, all these people to get a four 00:26:46.670 --> 00:26:50.437 election. Well, of course that's why they say you're giving away your both 00:26:50.470 --> 00:26:53.786 , right? Yeah. But after the election, if you'll call together, you get 00:26:53.819 --> 00:27:01.117 agreement. He did senator. Well, unfortunately, the governor, republican 00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:05.427 governor of Arizona, who was appointed the commissioner besides after we 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:09.806 defeated to go over there standing there when they were signed up, she 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.806 come back. Consider a wonderful thing when I'm always your cup. Uh huh. 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:19.347 Just got off right there. It was no good. So we didn't ratify the compact 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:24.586 then they determined that area would get nothing out of that. Overran. 00:27:24.619 --> 00:27:30.266 Well, we haven't heard about the come back then. We had a fight That was 00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:34.657 going on just about the time you came over to this. Thank you won't expect 00:27:34.690 --> 00:27:39.226 him to sit quiet in a year like I did in the house and turn away and I got 00:27:39.259 --> 00:27:44.107 stuck in a filibuster. Yeah. Was that in 26? 00:27:44.140 --> 00:27:50.857 How will I get everything came into the Senate on March four, 00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:54.407 This is a 27, 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:59.927 Mhm When was the center room was the Central Arizona project first 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:04.877 conceived as a means of getting water into the Maricopa county area in the 00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:11.506 Central Arizona last monday night. A long, long time. That area. Uhh, 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:16.826 we'll call him any more land than uhh there was water for and then they 00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:20.516 were pumping the underground and the exhausted. But it's an exact parallel 00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:27.236 the atmosphere McIngvale in California, mm uh day use all the surface 00:28:27.269 --> 00:28:31.607 water. Yeah. 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:37.996 Can drill wells when they drilled down. Got a lot about the underground. 00:28:38.029 --> 00:28:41.707 And the thing was going to go back to the desert. So they went to another 00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:48.286 source is the Sacramento river. It was a great dam up there and stored the 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.877 water generated power when it comes down to the moon near the mouth and 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:57.246 keep it pumping up to irrigate the lower half of the bottle. Long enough 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.437 we've ever had and how it works. Very, very prosperous situation there. 00:29:02.470 --> 00:29:08.786 Well in this boulder dam filibuster, you forced California to agree to 00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:12.947 amendments that Arizona wanted, didn't you? Well, thanks. We tied that 00:29:12.980 --> 00:29:16.907 thing up for about a month. But we are first forward Congress adjourned 00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:21.857 and then uh huh. Arm johnson got it, made the exclusive unfinished 00:29:21.890 --> 00:29:27.907 business. The state would have met in december and keep it within the 00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:33.617 values negotiated what we got out of the right. Each statement with a 00:29:33.650 --> 00:29:41.650 generator and the dam. So you get some power And we've got $100,000 a year. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.506 Little taxes because the property is located. 00:29:46.539 --> 00:29:51.107 We didn't get any war out of director. But 00:29:51.140 --> 00:29:57.336 yeah, but they have the balls and when he finally, but we ran on every 00:29:57.369 --> 00:30:03.726 about a week. And uh, I just slept and stayed over there that morning with 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:08.907 africa go to before we get gold. I slept on the couch and go to the next 00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:13.717 morning. They got, they call it the quarrel came in just about sort of all 00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:18.806 right to get them when they killed. I started talking. I don't you go home. 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:24.006 Yeah. Bath and get shaved square around your breakfast and all that. And 00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:28.157 I'm going to talk for 10 o'clock. Was it just you and Asher? So yeah, so 00:30:28.190 --> 00:30:34.306 too, I'll talk to 10:00 and then uhh we're gonna have our agreement here. 00:30:34.339 --> 00:30:38.816 So we did. That's what he worked out. I suppose that experience is one 00:30:38.849 --> 00:30:45.697 reason why you've always felt so keen about the right of well that freedom 00:30:45.730 --> 00:30:49.336 of speech in the senate as well. That and the fact that I told you that 00:30:49.369 --> 00:30:55.806 Arizona would have been tied up with new expo, it stayed in the fight. 00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:00.877 But that's the real reason to sell the homeless. Oh, charlie Daniels, Who 00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:04.707 was the vice president. Tell me is that I will say this that you've never 00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:08.256 talked but he wanted us to remain to the subject. Never read the bible 00:31:08.289 --> 00:31:14.387 over some of that kind. Where did any extras read from? Well, when did 00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:20.607 Asher's Senator Asher just read from that? He uh he already talked along 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:26.137 to about that's the irrigation. You see when you talk about warren power 00:31:26.170 --> 00:31:31.717 like that, you've got a wide field ramifications of where you go. You well 00:31:31.750 --> 00:31:36.576 there's the central valley of Central Arizona project underway now or no 00:31:36.609 --> 00:31:42.836 hero. We had this couldn't get twice under my phone and I passed the bill 00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:48.336 through the senate but too many was California's a big delegation would 00:31:48.369 --> 00:31:52.806 let it pass in the Harris house. So 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:58.647 then no, that's the way Sir Lynden we find it if I was sued the state of 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:04.836 Arizona to suit California, what equitable division of the water And that 00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:10.826 suits going on a part time and court appointed a a very good lawyer named 00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:17.476 Rifkin. I first told me to work for bob Wagner up clerk uh bob city. One 00:32:17.509 --> 00:32:22.736 way the story I got was wearing a bright young man and he asked some law 00:32:22.769 --> 00:32:27.586 school he attended in new york city said one of the best graduates and 00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:34.877 they did it was and he helped draft of Wagner act and 00:32:34.910 --> 00:32:39.387 then Wagner took him in as a partner and then got him appointed as a judge. 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:43.427 But he didn't like the bench, He resign, you got an enormous practice in 00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:47.437 new york where those two liners hit and they wish to use in one of those 00:32:47.470 --> 00:32:54.127 Oh yeah, does that case still in court? He's for two years. He's held 00:32:54.160 --> 00:33:01.776 hearings all around over the area. He then wrote a recommendation to the 00:33:01.809 --> 00:33:07.586 court which is favorable to us California like they were going to have an 00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:12.217 argument over there before the court but we hope the court will decide the 00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:17.996 case this year when it does. And they tell us how much water we got. We 00:33:18.029 --> 00:33:24.076 can talk about ways that made clear enough. I'm wearing you out today. I'm 00:33:24.109 --> 00:33:29.467 afraid we'd better quit. Yes. Yeah, well, thank you very much, Senator at 00:33:29.500 --> 00:33:32.677 that point. I thought the interview was concluded and cut the recorder off. 00:33:32.710 --> 00:33:40.236 But then the senator uh huh jerry o'leary asked him about the loss of the 00:33:40.269 --> 00:33:45.707 finger on his hand and the senator explained it. So I cut back in and got 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:52.496 part of his explanation. And 00:33:52.529 --> 00:33:59.986 and when you blast, you put the cap on the end of fuse and when it goes 00:34:00.019 --> 00:34:04.947 off. Didn't they see the dynamite dynamite? I picked one of those things 00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:10.157 up and was fooling with the wire that went off my hand. Uh I was very 00:34:10.190 --> 00:34:18.190 lucky. There was an old sergeant in phoenix. Uhh, a german who had been 00:34:18.460 --> 00:34:23.977 through the track of pushing war familiar with surgery. They took me down 00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:27.936 there and the other doctor said, well you just have to finger left. He 00:34:27.969 --> 00:34:31.256 said, no, I'm going to save this one. Yes, that's it. And he did the same 00:34:31.289 --> 00:34:35.546 way this obviously with yeah, put a pad on the indian of it, saved post on 00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:42.807 it. And it got so I could play football with. That's pretty good. 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:49.090 Well, uh when would you have some more time? Send her for one more shaft. 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.239 Well, tomorrow something that you are. I got to clean up this goddamn and 00:34:54.849 --> 00:35:01.006 say no. What's tomorrow Wednesday way 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:06.307 is the same thing. 00:35:06.340 --> 00:35:12.280 Well, I'll tell you uh suppose I leave it with fritz and I'll call him up. 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.440 Mhm. That did conclude then the ah interview of october the 10th, 1961 and 00:35:20.739 --> 00:35:28.739 two days later on october 12th. Um that we set up this next and final 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:35.436 portion of this series of Final Interview of this series of three. In 00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:41.907 addition to jerry o'leary Senator, Hayden 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:48.767 and myself, we had present at this session and speaking as a voice. I'm 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:53.666 sure you're distinguishing the others john Murdoch. A former congressman 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:58.787 from Arizona who served in the house as congressman at large from our 00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:02.796 state 1930 00:36:02.829 --> 00:36:06.416 seven Through 00:36:06.449 --> 00:36:14.449 1952. Uh huh. So here it goes in the final one october 12, 1961. 00:36:17.329 --> 00:36:19.396 Ah 00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:24.697 Someone. Yeah. Sure. Mhm. Uh huh. What years were you in the House? Mr 00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:28.997 burdock. I came in 1937. 00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:34.816 That was it. Remember the house for 16 years? Huh. 00:36:34.849 --> 00:36:41.916 Well that he was a okay. Better than the 00:36:41.949 --> 00:36:46.997 A Territorial Normal School called? 201914. 00:36:47.030 --> 00:36:49.296 And 00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:53.197 no. A little milk. 00:36:53.230 --> 00:36:58.867 The opportunity to become a candidate for congress. Mhm. He was a month. 00:36:58.900 --> 00:37:04.506 How many were they? 11. A correction there in 1930s. It was the day in the 00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:11.650 school. The Tempe Tempe. It has become become a teacher's college by 1936. 00:37:11.909 --> 00:37:13.909 State Teachers College in 1914. It was no it was good. What about 00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:25.646 Well, you came to the house after the Senator had moved go after he had 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:31.097 moved over to the Senate even only about 10 years and frustrated. 00:37:31.130 --> 00:37:34.816 Well, I just want to tell you that they were not graduates around, 00:37:34.849 --> 00:37:39.847 scattered around there and I was elected to Congress. None of his own his 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:46.756 own pupil center. Yes. The remark was often made about dr moore that he 00:37:46.789 --> 00:37:50.787 had brought enough babies into the world in Arizona, that when they grew 00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:55.097 up, they elected him governor. 00:37:55.130 --> 00:38:00.986 That was two in the sort of educational league with me. Yeah. 00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:07.736 Uh huh. I was afraid that senator hadn't seen one thing that I thought it 00:38:07.769 --> 00:38:15.577 over to him this morning. Um This was a list of Arizona characters that I 00:38:15.610 --> 00:38:20.416 referred you to it. Did you ever get a cover? You know? Well, I'm so short 00:38:20.449 --> 00:38:24.756 on these copies that I thought the only one I could get my hands on a 00:38:24.789 --> 00:38:29.586 better hand to Senator Hayden. But 00:38:29.619 --> 00:38:36.086 one of these characters was Charles, trumble heat. And he's written, he's 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.586 your son Too strong, 00:38:39.619 --> 00:38:42.157 Right? Mhm. 00:38:42.190 --> 00:38:47.077 And I have a Senator from other leaders, that schoolteacher. But be 00:38:47.110 --> 00:38:55.110 interested in this Dawn's story about my father. I then a later, when 00:38:55.969 --> 00:39:03.677 someone revives, that's Mr Murdoch's. But that's for the younger Children. 00:39:03.710 --> 00:39:06.887 This is part of the general public 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:12.086 Mr Murdoch? Why? What do you think is the secret of Senator Hayden's 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:18.057 success that become the first man to stay 50 years of towns? Well, he has 00:39:18.090 --> 00:39:22.617 this rugged constitution. For one thing, I'll tell you, it takes, it takes 00:39:22.650 --> 00:39:28.456 physical stamina to, to stand that. You could almost put me in the grave. 00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:36.489 But yeah, it's a that way and he carried a tremendous burden. I think the 00:39:40.630 --> 00:39:47.816 general public has no conception the load this man is carrying. The reason. 00:39:47.849 --> 00:39:55.849 I I'd rather shouting that imagery passing over at the on the street okay 00:39:57.019 --> 00:40:05.019 ? Without bothering you too much. But if I were, if I were writing they 00:40:07.110 --> 00:40:15.110 story of Carl Hayden, I am taking off other things that have happened here 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:23.557 in Congress. Um, he has been, 00:40:23.590 --> 00:40:29.416 it's fortunate for the West. We've had a man who knows the West and who is 00:40:29.449 --> 00:40:35.896 a native son of the web. The state of Arizona 00:40:35.929 --> 00:40:43.929 and able to get on such committees and function in the most important way. 00:40:44.909 --> 00:40:48.677 Yeah, for instance, 00:40:48.710 --> 00:40:56.276 I can't help but think of how much the Western States owe him for, uh, 00:40:56.309 --> 00:40:58.876 shaping 00:40:58.909 --> 00:41:05.827 public landlord and also public close. Um, right at the time when the 00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:12.477 automobile made it imperative that we have something more than trails. Uh 00:41:12.510 --> 00:41:18.327 , here's a man who came along and just at the time when we were building 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:24.796 up funds by gasoline taxes and that sort of thing. Our distribution from 00:41:24.829 --> 00:41:28.677 Washington under the control of the States. 00:41:28.710 --> 00:41:36.376 Here's a man who got, uhh what some people back east regarded as a undo 00:41:36.409 --> 00:41:44.409 for formula in the distribution of public highway funds. So then I relate 00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:48.677 that form of those old man Shackelford 00:41:48.710 --> 00:41:53.727 explain to them. You see, I'm just a modest member of the House interested 00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:00.566 in road legislation at that time. We'll be back 19 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.867 16, 00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:09.267 17. And a but the original act was passed. Look like you're always here. 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:13.486 Uhh, without saying anything to me, I was placed on the committee on post 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:19.697 office post roads. And yeah, became the duty of that committee to report 00:42:19.730 --> 00:42:26.186 our every two years extension bill, appropriating money for, for the roads 00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:33.046 for a two year period. And so it'll be important among the States and send 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:38.186 him a killer turned out next to him on the committee. He turned that over 00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:43.177 to me the post road apartment. He looked at me right at the border. So 00:42:43.210 --> 00:42:49.697 that way I told you I reported out a series of to build every two years 00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:53.296 and that's quite a car. But I would love Yeah, I didn't tell you a story 00:42:53.329 --> 00:43:00.816 about when the war broke out. No, I mean, bigger form when President 00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:06.566 Wilson was elected, rolled it up to help him out. 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:12.767 Of course, a time were very bad and he was anxious to right to employment. 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:19.666 Mhm. He has prepared. Okay, 00:43:19.699 --> 00:43:25.427 $3 billion bill with Central Wagner sponsored. Oh yeah, for all kinds of 00:43:25.460 --> 00:43:30.807 public works. Public works through all kinds of on Uh huh. I went down and 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.546 talked to him that you want to put people to work quickly on a lot of this 00:43:34.579 --> 00:43:41.166 , uhh, that you plan required planning and planning takes time. You can't 00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:46.727 put men to work right away as a, I'll tell you how to do it. You have the 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:51.666 highway department money. Mm hmm. They've all heard that right. Oil 00:43:51.699 --> 00:43:57.546 planned their roads ahead. That's their business is to have a plan. And he 00:43:57.579 --> 00:44:01.756 said, well, he's part of a legislative committee. 00:44:01.789 --> 00:44:09.666 Look into that. The secondary war dr Durham Utah, the secretary of 00:44:09.699 --> 00:44:16.657 Agriculture. Uh huh. The man was Harris phone and MS Perkins as secretary 00:44:16.690 --> 00:44:21.767 of labor said you will see them. I went to during, during, but governor, 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:29.800 he know about B you've been from Utah. Yeah. There you go. And Wallace and 00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:35.637 why this bureau learned my department's bureau in the arm for it and don't 00:44:35.670 --> 00:44:40.756 always see miss pregnant. She couldn't see it. She said that the 00:44:40.789 --> 00:44:44.186 distressing to the city's. I said yes, you'll say it. A lot of people in 00:44:44.219 --> 00:44:49.517 the line going into a yes, catching these super consider something that 00:44:49.550 --> 00:44:53.537 I'll tell you. There's as many heartaches as many months grief and 00:44:53.570 --> 00:44:57.416 unemployment and trouble the rest of the United States. There isn't a 00:44:57.449 --> 00:45:02.856 great finish and you've got to reach that a method of giving them work. 00:45:02.889 --> 00:45:06.796 Well, I went back and reported to him, told me what they said and he said 00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:12.296 , well, how much, what do you want sent $400 million. We should be a 00:45:12.329 --> 00:45:17.456 prevalent these days is the value of the dollar. About a billion. Yeah. Uh 00:45:17.489 --> 00:45:19.827 He said, well how did you get that figure? I thought it telegraphed every 00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:22.486 state highway department and I says and ask them how much money they could 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.657 use. 00:45:24.690 --> 00:45:28.057 I said they couldn't use that much in one year. I said, I know they can't. 00:45:28.090 --> 00:45:32.276 This depression won't go in one year. But they could have the money. They 00:45:32.309 --> 00:45:36.807 can go to work. But the president plans that they make plans for another 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:42.227 year with the sure that they keep going. And that's what we did all during 00:45:42.260 --> 00:45:48.977 a depression using was to provide additional funds. Uhh after that they 00:45:49.010 --> 00:45:54.387 had to be matched. This was on a nice money. See. Yeah. Four world got a 00:45:54.420 --> 00:46:02.296 basket or a ratio. Mhm. That's what it worked out. Oh, undoubtedly did a 00:46:02.329 --> 00:46:08.736 lot to build up the highway system. Oh, give it a verifying stark. So I 00:46:08.769 --> 00:46:14.646 feel that already paved highway in the west is a monument to carl Hagelin. 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:20.077 So you told me one I think you told me one time that totally with 00:46:20.110 --> 00:46:25.057 President Roosevelt franklin. D Roosevelt that some comment was made 00:46:25.090 --> 00:46:30.157 either by you are by him about the beautiful scenery out west. And you 00:46:30.190 --> 00:46:35.106 said yes, we've got it. But what the user having it if you can't get put. 00:46:35.139 --> 00:46:41.146 I don't different times during the depression. Michael Darling was always 00:46:41.179 --> 00:46:45.756 talking Rose is quieter and all those interested in road. We'll say. Simon 00:46:45.789 --> 00:46:50.947 says I'm not interested in roads in Arizona. I'm interested in a national 00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:56.166 system highways. So, people from east of the north and the south 00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:01.157 everywhere can come to Arizona. We've got the Grand Canyon and the 00:47:01.190 --> 00:47:04.776 petrified. Now finally we have in southern Arizona what we think of the 00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:11.477 finest with anywhere. We'll get to it. Senator. Hang on the day the 00:47:11.510 --> 00:47:16.626 tourist crop is. Yeah. How ready were there? And when I say this, it's in 00:47:16.659 --> 00:47:21.666 the millions. I don't know what it is, but I'm glad you. So senator. I 00:47:21.699 --> 00:47:26.046 think it would be interesting if you talk a little bit about how congress 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:31.947 has changed. If you think it has changed since 1912, 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:36.947 of course, in the way it operates, it hasn't changed much. But the, the 00:47:36.980 --> 00:47:44.546 right type of men and Oh yes, well, no 00:47:44.579 --> 00:47:51.137 deterioration and ability and the car as it is there. They were able men 00:47:51.170 --> 00:47:59.170 at all times. Uh huh discuss and act on important questions a little times 00:48:00.130 --> 00:48:05.347 and the questions are different and there are different. But I've seen a 00:48:05.380 --> 00:48:09.407 deterioration and ability. Some people have kind of looked back. There was 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.559 some great men and we haven't got them now with yeah,