Yeah,
travels on car receipts. Another about rail. You take too much time to go
in the other way and I'm going to Mhm. I don't have any automobile and I'm
sure
they never lovely to have it all. It would be in the process. No, the
sheriff hart
Mhm. Well the population I suppose was It was pretty well centered in the
made up 10 places was it? No, it was what he was given scatter out even
though I was mining
counties for Body castle like tequila, you know Global.
There's Douglas
I hope going there. I guess a lot of places with minds and then tom like
phoenix and Tucson and Prescott humor. Life's a Douglas. It was a varied
mining industry was the principal industrial state that isn't produced
more riveting than anything else at that time. But there was agricultural
development saw the rebel and you replace it like that. So
yeah.
What happened? Was it? Well, I was the sheriff.
If they caught a man for me or I had a paper to serve the songs or
something else. Some place I go do it myself. I didn't send a deputy. Well
by going around yourself. I went around myself during the seven years.
Don't you see you made contacts and yes, I would have been in the
courthouse. Isn't. Yeah, I got acquainted with the city marshals, peace
officers, General, United States Marshals, customs officers like that then
they moved the penitentiary from
you are Up to Florence which is Cuba was west of Phoenix. About 200 models
floors of East Phoenix About 50 miles and there was a branch road went up
there. All the traffic was, that's particularly by real. So prisoners
convicted in southern Arizona came into Maricopa right in between the
train, came in the evening and we put them in jail overnight for them and
help them get on the train in the morning for the same way about north
from Prescott Kingman flags there. So where are they? Somebody was
convicted, bring him down, we put them in a deal with that. I got
acquainted with him that way and it favors for the deputies, the sheriff's
, although the opportunity they go around town in the evening and so on.
Aldo. I got to know them well then I also knew that officers have been
the National Guard. Yeah, seven or 8 years, seven years. So that, that was
the only acquaintance I had. Hmm so well
there was talking about who chanted, well Mark calm, it was Georgia. Call
the family down there are very fair political balance. He was a call the
engineer at Greenlee County and a member of our pursuit of the legend,
Mulford Windsor, a newspaper man in Yuma. He was a member to costumes and
they announced earlier that they were going to run for congress. Everybody
thought that was one of the other one would be it. Yeah. And uh, so I
never said a word to a living soul about theater candidate Until I was
back at Camp Perry, Ohio, the National Rifle matches. He'd finish the team
matches. I had 10 and you could win some individual matches if you wanted
to. And pray. The tap issued his proclamation that upon drafting of the
constitution and the election of officials and so on, certain things be
done. Arizona new Mexico will become safe. Yeah. So I have never spoken to
a living soul about Ron because they have MS Hayman, she says you've got
your nerve and use on sticks
Frank. You call him up and said he's gonna come here. You're coming up
here at 3:00. Just
give thanks.
Thanks young. Maybe I better call me. I want you to call Banks up and tell
him that I just talked to Murphy and Murphy said
He'd be here right after 3:00 and I told him I'd be here. All right.
Oh Mr Hammond here senator. He's a little early. What? Mr Fallon Hambleton
is here. You have a problem with him at 11:00. He's a little early. Well,
we can uh we'll be through in for five minutes. Tell him good. You just
finished the story and then we'll get out of the way. Well, so I say I
never told anybody that was going to be a candidate until the present to
have issued his proclamation. Then I told the rivals a team there where
I'm going to run for Congress. They said fine,
we're all for you. Well, so left over Chicago. I spoke to Miss Hayden. She
came up to me said that you're going to come, we don't have a good picture.
And we asked for the best photographer. Was a man named Sykes took a
picture with me. But you've been in the sheriff's office in phoenix in the
former sheriff, but it's there in the well, I don't like that. That 11 or
is it? But I had a big wide brim hat, Yes, white bread, half pretty good
looking young fellow. And I use that a little folder, uh, picture
alongside a little statement of what I stood for. And then the only
newspaper support I had any kind was from an old fella named Sam small,
cool been a noticed evangelist. But he was with us has been for a long
time ago Chicago. The Leia constituted a newspaper man. He found a little
weekly paper feelings and I got acquainted with her and I went to see him.
He wrote a very nice little about a half column story. That's all I had
in the way of camp and not one newspaper in Arizona supported me, not a
daily and another weekly. We're all tied up. The other men have been
running so long. All tied up for somebody winds up being a newspaper man
like they were friendly to humans and
all during the campaign, there was no mention that I had a chance. I was
just totally ignored.
And I know what you said, you were terribly, terribly disappointed and all
that kind of Well, I went down to Yuma, I told him I didn't come to get
any roots and whether it was a fine man and I just came down to get
acquainted with your normal, difficult. I'd like Greenlee County told the
same thing. I carried every county in the state. But those two and
cautious, I lost the 19 votes. And you you attributed mainly to the
friends. You have made peace officers and the national guardsmen. They
were a young man and they just got out and did the job for me. That's what
I'm used to it. I'll get out of the way.
Uh
He and major sentiment for Mhm To surviving considered soldiers that
served the confederate army who remembers the Congress at that time. And
so both are hard to me.
They both terrifying men. Well, I was over in the house uh I've been there
a terrible law. So I remember they had an agricultural appropriation bill.
Oh and
there was some money to fight forest fires in the bill. And a motion was
made to increase that amount because it had fire. Well, we've had a big
for quite a big for fire up wrong Flagstaff at all. So I thought, well, I
can chip in my two bits worth. And uhh
tell him that I think it's a good a mainland. I thought of the five minute
rule. I just said if you were not to that effect. I came down and sat down
next time about telling, you know, I just didn't know what it is. You just
had to tell was that your first year uh was that in your first year? Yes,
that was a long and I came in february and this must have been a long
march april sometime. But that's the first time I spoke on the floor of
the house was something I thought I knew about. Mhm. I said I met him. He
says, well, he said he just couldn't hold. If you hadn't talked to that
reporter took down every word you said, it's just going to be in the
record for all time to come. He said, I thought a lot of cool things when
I first came around, we should get out of that record was you can't ever
get it out there. Just be careful about what you say. Then he gave me some
good advice. He said, no, you're new here. It's just like a man coming to
a new town with only the bottom. We'll observe him if he pays his bills
and he's honest and tell the truth
by violating status conference. And just along, he said, you've got to do
the same thing that they belong to a committee, know what is in every bill
was reported out of committee. Sure you understand it thoroughly. And if
somebody
misrepresents the facts on the floor. Get up and correct him by the table.
This fellow, that's what he's talking about. See it was sure you're right.
You know what you're doing? Did he use that figure of speech about work
horses and show horses? Well, he said, he said, you know, there's two
kinds of congressman, their workforces and the show horses. And he said,
you've got to be a workforce. That's what I'm trying to be for that matter.
And it looks like you proved it was pretty good advice. Well, uh,
first place I would never any or anyhow, the other thing on the other hand
, had business. And I
okay, present facts. Talk factually about things other as I made it a
business. You gotta follow the old man advice. Did brian, does William
Jennings, bryan, also talk to you about what you ought to do when you got
here. When I left feelings that day to come back to Washington, I give out
to America for this junction. Or I told you
w. J Bryant happened to get on the train that was coming in the east. He
was coming east trip, nope you are. He was going to Tucson to see his son
and one of his sons wasn't in very good health. And then moved down to
Tucson and Tucson to meet the boy visit with him. And so I wrote for
America over Tucson really. Mine. It's 100 mi and I introduced myself and
then he recognized I met him before he was campaigning out there and the
fact that I introduced him it on top of the meeting
and he said now he said uhh
don't make any fourth of july speech. Is that they all make them instead
of you started fourth of july account of speech. I just read the newspaper
, they won't. But he said, if you give me facts, listen, then he told me
that his first speech in the house when he came there first time, whether
he was observed a contractor doing some painting work here in the district
and made up his mind that he was cheating the district and he got his
facts do it up there and expose the contractor on the floor and said I got
Close to 10. You didn't talk about free silver, gold or anything like that.
He talked about a paving contract. The District of Columbia where you
thought the contractor was cheating the district and the house listen to
it. You have your facts and you'll get along to save a line of the old man
gave me was the federal Aid highways program. Was that the first big thing
that you got interested in? Well, I had that Federal Aid Highway act was
passed over in the house under the sponsorship of a man named Dorset
Shackelford Missouri. And oh, I did was, yeah, Kind of chip in and say it
was a good thing. I will not remember the committee was interested in
because I knew that. How important was that? 1916? The first one was that
about 1916 1st. Yes it was highway about
1916 17. I know it is under discussion because
after the bill passed,
the killer always had this story about how he and john Bankhead Bankhead
has sponsored it over here and sugar would have in the house and back head
here and john Bankhead and wanted to get some money to get the president
to recommend some money to start it off. And he said the president don't
like me like he does you color and I want you to go with me down in the
White House and talk to him about spirits. So They went down and they
agreed that they get about $3 billion dollars to start it will be a pretty
good little start. Go on. So
they wouldn't talk to the president about And the president said I had a
grave doubt about whether I'll sign that bill. I said I don't know about
the government going into rural business. Uh huh. So there's authority to
do it. I've been in the constitution has developed post closer roads and
just after Well that was the right thing to do and not what McKellen woke
up and looked like. We might get to see the World War and started 14. But
like we might get in trouble. Yeah. And he said, well did you ever think
Mr credit about the military uses of this? If we had trouble, they had to
move troops quickly? Why the the highway system will be beneficial. We
thought, I never thought about that. And they talked along.
I don't remember the exact favor with his 20 million dollars or something
like that. He was a good size and he prepares for how does that do see?
And no, I understand that when the sun from three million they were going
to ask for help if they jump like the old bank and then we were fated. I
believe that. But the president recommended it and they made the first
appropriation. How was that before the Hayden caught right bill. Oh yes,
This was way back in the 19. Well it's not like him to the Senate and key
pittman and of Nevada and will king of Utah said I had had experience
handling appropriations of the House to see at the top time they
agriculture permitted reported out the committee of appropriation. I was
on the committee of indian affairs asked for that when I first came and I
finally got to be chairman of it. And I reported indian appropriation
bills in the house and we got $12 million a year ago. Big Ben. But I had a
appropriating experience. They said they were just sister part of the
country would rebel and I must go on there. They have on the committee. So
I woke up with a week after their on the appropriations committee had to
expect it at all in the Senate, I didn't ask for the post Office and post
roads committee, but they put me on it. Well, the killer had that
chairmanship and uh, of course I came along right next to him in the
committee of course time and he finally, we finally agreed that he would
look after the post office department and I look after the post road. So
along in the thirties, you see after Roosevelt came here. But then I
reported out about have it done in time. All of these every two year bills.
One of the Haiti Cartwright act. That act was this way
at this point during the October 10th interview We ran on the tape. And so
there's a jump here to ah until we picked up with another roles. But we're
still continuing october 10, 1961.
India public lands. Uh huh. Great irrigation and reclamation area. Glad to
have them up. So I'm not about four companies that I had that work of
local reports of the people mistake. I asked, well, I don't know what it
wants them to happen. Did the indians have the vote in those days? I know
that graduate that was way back
1920s when they put an act in that the declared America soon. Hmm. Does
they do they all vote now. They're all entitled vote. Well, it's a, we
have, there's also at least an educational qualification. But I mean the
fact that they're indians is no bar or if the man like anybody else
qualifies us as being able to read and write and no once, uhh a little
while the reservation doesn't prevent them from voting. He does it. Oh no
, they can both be if they're qualified. I see stay with any other stuff.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So when you first came to the house, I suppose, uh, there wasn't much
irrigation or reclamation in the west was there Back in 1912.
I mean they had artificial irrigation. Yes, they call, don't you see,
here are all about,
there's two things that about me think of the west. He, by executive order
reserved a great area for forest. Sir. Our service. He did the same way
about national parks and monuments and things like them. Well, they passed
an act saying he couldn't continue to do that. But that he could do have
to refer to Congress. Well, he just got our order taking into damp forests
and parks and everything else. And then signed the act. Mm hmm. So tied up
with a lot of it had to be taken out of the forest because one before a
planned, but that was why we have the big forest reserve action of theater
royal in the same way they passed the reclamation law under his
administration which authorized the,
the
receipts from the sale of public land speed devoted to recommended storage
of water and irrigation. And the, that started it all under that salt
River project was the first one there alone built.
That was before I came to Congress. That probably was under constructive
while I was there. So that it was reclamation was established going
concern what I came in later years. They've gone way beyond this. Just
using receipts from, oh, well, we began appropriating amended directly and
then it had to be returned to the Treasury and then joe man and I, we got
through the romantic amendment that when it was repeated to still stay in
the reclamation fund.
So they have now a reclamation fund that is used that it's sufficient that
we make direct appropriations on top of that.
So to How have they grown ups say since 1912, the annual expenditures for
I mentioned, it's just gone out by material every morning. But on the
other hand, the thing, it's so hard to get through people's head is they
just looked where you spend this money and uhh, it's interest free. And uh
,
I don't, uh, pork barrel say. As a matter of fact, it's an investment in
the capital investment in the, the natural resources of the nation. How,
for instance, the solar project. Now it's returning to the Treasury income
tax and excess profits, taxes and saw more than the entire across that
project every year. Isn't that what started Arizona and the southwest
raising cotton and other crops that they never raised before? Well, they
graphically got in the cotton growing and I think that kind that was more
available. Yeah. The land without it. They couldn't have. I guess that's
also accounted for the increase in population of their floors and alone.
I had people write me this last year for miracle college new settlers when
people come in. I didn't know when they bought it. I suspect between us
and some of them were retired people who came out here. They have so much
to buy a home and live on and the costs went up and he just didn't want
her taxes or anything else spend. They tell me about pulled for this
outrageous pork barrel of public works bill that the president veto. I
told him that phoenix a little town,
10, people, floods came up to jefferson street and that washed out the
dams that brush standard supply canal if I wouldn't have water and so on
and it's necessary to store that water in a jam. So that was a public
works project and we built the Roosevelt dam when they damage generated
power. So I brought cheap power down. Yes, it is that I don't think it was
started as the first project of the United States after the reclamation
act was passed and it was completed just about the time I was elected to
Congress
way
back. That's that's the first one in the United States from the
reformation law. I was named after teddy, I suppose. Yes, a federal came
out of a dedicated mm you go out with a speech there was completed. So how
far along is this Central Valley project? The Central Arizona project? Has
that ever been started? Well, there's a case where there was a dispute
over who had the water in the Colorado River, we could use all of
California, could use all mm California claimed that they had taken it
first and they needed it the worst and there were more people there and so
on and they actually did the work. Uh, well, the subtitle with the Boulder
Dam fighting him anyway and was out of the separate question of power. The
Boulder Dam was,
that's a long story, was backed up.
It's order up, yep, understanding about the stories of orderly
Phil swing. And I went down to see who said that can't get an agreement
among the States because unless you get up some kind of a compact between
them and it won't do to have some ordinary person of the United States.
You're the Secretary of Commerce. Yeah, you've got a reputation as a
great engineer and you should become the Federal Representative on that
commission, the state appointed commissioners to negotiate and he presided.
Well, I met, met one place to another. Didn't agree on anything. I went
out to talk to him one day that I sorry, I took this thing are never going
to get anywhere. That list of your local politician.
You just wait till after the election, all these people to get a four
election. Well, of course that's why they say you're giving away your both
, right? Yeah. But after the election, if you'll call together, you get
agreement. He did senator. Well, unfortunately, the governor, republican
governor of Arizona, who was appointed the commissioner besides after we
defeated to go over there standing there when they were signed up, she
come back. Consider a wonderful thing when I'm always your cup. Uh huh.
Just got off right there. It was no good. So we didn't ratify the compact
then they determined that area would get nothing out of that. Overran.
Well, we haven't heard about the come back then. We had a fight That was
going on just about the time you came over to this. Thank you won't expect
him to sit quiet in a year like I did in the house and turn away and I got
stuck in a filibuster. Yeah. Was that in 26?
How will I get everything came into the Senate on March four,
This is a 27,
Mhm When was the center room was the Central Arizona project first
conceived as a means of getting water into the Maricopa county area in the
Central Arizona last monday night. A long, long time. That area. Uhh,
we'll call him any more land than uhh there was water for and then they
were pumping the underground and the exhausted. But it's an exact parallel
the atmosphere McIngvale in California, mm uh day use all the surface
water. Yeah.
Can drill wells when they drilled down. Got a lot about the underground.
And the thing was going to go back to the desert. So they went to another
source is the Sacramento river. It was a great dam up there and stored the
water generated power when it comes down to the moon near the mouth and
keep it pumping up to irrigate the lower half of the bottle. Long enough
we've ever had and how it works. Very, very prosperous situation there.
Well in this boulder dam filibuster, you forced California to agree to
amendments that Arizona wanted, didn't you? Well, thanks. We tied that
thing up for about a month. But we are first forward Congress adjourned
and then uh huh. Arm johnson got it, made the exclusive unfinished
business. The state would have met in december and keep it within the
values negotiated what we got out of the right. Each statement with a
generator and the dam. So you get some power And we've got $100,000 a year.
Little taxes because the property is located.
We didn't get any war out of director. But
yeah, but they have the balls and when he finally, but we ran on every
about a week. And uh, I just slept and stayed over there that morning with
africa go to before we get gold. I slept on the couch and go to the next
morning. They got, they call it the quarrel came in just about sort of all
right to get them when they killed. I started talking. I don't you go home.
Yeah. Bath and get shaved square around your breakfast and all that. And
I'm going to talk for 10 o'clock. Was it just you and Asher? So yeah, so
too, I'll talk to 10:00 and then uhh we're gonna have our agreement here.
So we did. That's what he worked out. I suppose that experience is one
reason why you've always felt so keen about the right of well that freedom
of speech in the senate as well. That and the fact that I told you that
Arizona would have been tied up with new expo, it stayed in the fight.
But that's the real reason to sell the homeless. Oh, charlie Daniels, Who
was the vice president. Tell me is that I will say this that you've never
talked but he wanted us to remain to the subject. Never read the bible
over some of that kind. Where did any extras read from? Well, when did
Asher's Senator Asher just read from that? He uh he already talked along
to about that's the irrigation. You see when you talk about warren power
like that, you've got a wide field ramifications of where you go. You well
there's the central valley of Central Arizona project underway now or no
hero. We had this couldn't get twice under my phone and I passed the bill
through the senate but too many was California's a big delegation would
let it pass in the Harris house. So
then no, that's the way Sir Lynden we find it if I was sued the state of
Arizona to suit California, what equitable division of the water And that
suits going on a part time and court appointed a a very good lawyer named
Rifkin. I first told me to work for bob Wagner up clerk uh bob city. One
way the story I got was wearing a bright young man and he asked some law
school he attended in new york city said one of the best graduates and
they did it was and he helped draft of Wagner act and
then Wagner took him in as a partner and then got him appointed as a judge.
But he didn't like the bench, He resign, you got an enormous practice in
new york where those two liners hit and they wish to use in one of those
Oh yeah, does that case still in court? He's for two years. He's held
hearings all around over the area. He then wrote a recommendation to the
court which is favorable to us California like they were going to have an
argument over there before the court but we hope the court will decide the
case this year when it does. And they tell us how much water we got. We
can talk about ways that made clear enough. I'm wearing you out today. I'm
afraid we'd better quit. Yes. Yeah, well, thank you very much, Senator at
that point. I thought the interview was concluded and cut the recorder off.
But then the senator uh huh jerry o'leary asked him about the loss of the
finger on his hand and the senator explained it. So I cut back in and got
part of his explanation. And
and when you blast, you put the cap on the end of fuse and when it goes
off. Didn't they see the dynamite dynamite? I picked one of those things
up and was fooling with the wire that went off my hand. Uh I was very
lucky. There was an old sergeant in phoenix. Uhh, a german who had been
through the track of pushing war familiar with surgery. They took me down
there and the other doctor said, well you just have to finger left. He
said, no, I'm going to save this one. Yes, that's it. And he did the same
way this obviously with yeah, put a pad on the indian of it, saved post on
it. And it got so I could play football with. That's pretty good.
Well, uh when would you have some more time? Send her for one more shaft.
Well, tomorrow something that you are. I got to clean up this goddamn and
say no. What's tomorrow Wednesday way
is the same thing.
Well, I'll tell you uh suppose I leave it with fritz and I'll call him up.
Mhm. That did conclude then the ah interview of october the 10th, 1961 and
two days later on october 12th. Um that we set up this next and final
portion of this series of Final Interview of this series of three. In
addition to jerry o'leary Senator, Hayden
and myself, we had present at this session and speaking as a voice. I'm
sure you're distinguishing the others john Murdoch. A former congressman
from Arizona who served in the house as congressman at large from our
state 1930
seven Through
1952. Uh huh. So here it goes in the final one october 12, 1961.
Ah
Someone. Yeah. Sure. Mhm. Uh huh. What years were you in the House? Mr
burdock. I came in 1937.
That was it. Remember the house for 16 years? Huh.
Well that he was a okay. Better than the
A Territorial Normal School called? 201914.
And
no. A little milk.
The opportunity to become a candidate for congress. Mhm. He was a month.
How many were they? 11. A correction there in 1930s. It was the day in the
school. The Tempe Tempe. It has become become a teacher's college by 1936.
State Teachers College in 1914. It was no it was good. What about
Well, you came to the house after the Senator had moved go after he had
moved over to the Senate even only about 10 years and frustrated.
Well, I just want to tell you that they were not graduates around,
scattered around there and I was elected to Congress. None of his own his
own pupil center. Yes. The remark was often made about dr moore that he
had brought enough babies into the world in Arizona, that when they grew
up, they elected him governor.
That was two in the sort of educational league with me. Yeah.
Uh huh. I was afraid that senator hadn't seen one thing that I thought it
over to him this morning. Um This was a list of Arizona characters that I
referred you to it. Did you ever get a cover? You know? Well, I'm so short
on these copies that I thought the only one I could get my hands on a
better hand to Senator Hayden. But
one of these characters was Charles, trumble heat. And he's written, he's
your son Too strong,
Right? Mhm.
And I have a Senator from other leaders, that schoolteacher. But be
interested in this Dawn's story about my father. I then a later, when
someone revives, that's Mr Murdoch's. But that's for the younger Children.
This is part of the general public
Mr Murdoch? Why? What do you think is the secret of Senator Hayden's
success that become the first man to stay 50 years of towns? Well, he has
this rugged constitution. For one thing, I'll tell you, it takes, it takes
physical stamina to, to stand that. You could almost put me in the grave.
But yeah, it's a that way and he carried a tremendous burden. I think the
general public has no conception the load this man is carrying. The reason.
I I'd rather shouting that imagery passing over at the on the street okay
? Without bothering you too much. But if I were, if I were writing they
story of Carl Hayden, I am taking off other things that have happened here
in Congress. Um, he has been,
it's fortunate for the West. We've had a man who knows the West and who is
a native son of the web. The state of Arizona
and able to get on such committees and function in the most important way.
Yeah, for instance,
I can't help but think of how much the Western States owe him for, uh,
shaping
public landlord and also public close. Um, right at the time when the
automobile made it imperative that we have something more than trails. Uh
, here's a man who came along and just at the time when we were building
up funds by gasoline taxes and that sort of thing. Our distribution from
Washington under the control of the States.
Here's a man who got, uhh what some people back east regarded as a undo
for formula in the distribution of public highway funds. So then I relate
that form of those old man Shackelford
explain to them. You see, I'm just a modest member of the House interested
in road legislation at that time. We'll be back 19
16,
17. And a but the original act was passed. Look like you're always here.
Uhh, without saying anything to me, I was placed on the committee on post
office post roads. And yeah, became the duty of that committee to report
our every two years extension bill, appropriating money for, for the roads
for a two year period. And so it'll be important among the States and send
him a killer turned out next to him on the committee. He turned that over
to me the post road apartment. He looked at me right at the border. So
that way I told you I reported out a series of to build every two years
and that's quite a car. But I would love Yeah, I didn't tell you a story
about when the war broke out. No, I mean, bigger form when President
Wilson was elected, rolled it up to help him out.
Of course, a time were very bad and he was anxious to right to employment.
Mhm. He has prepared. Okay,
$3 billion bill with Central Wagner sponsored. Oh yeah, for all kinds of
public works. Public works through all kinds of on Uh huh. I went down and
talked to him that you want to put people to work quickly on a lot of this
, uhh, that you plan required planning and planning takes time. You can't
put men to work right away as a, I'll tell you how to do it. You have the
highway department money. Mm hmm. They've all heard that right. Oil
planned their roads ahead. That's their business is to have a plan. And he
said, well, he's part of a legislative committee.
Look into that. The secondary war dr Durham Utah, the secretary of
Agriculture. Uh huh. The man was Harris phone and MS Perkins as secretary
of labor said you will see them. I went to during, during, but governor,
he know about B you've been from Utah. Yeah. There you go. And Wallace and
why this bureau learned my department's bureau in the arm for it and don't
always see miss pregnant. She couldn't see it. She said that the
distressing to the city's. I said yes, you'll say it. A lot of people in
the line going into a yes, catching these super consider something that
I'll tell you. There's as many heartaches as many months grief and
unemployment and trouble the rest of the United States. There isn't a
great finish and you've got to reach that a method of giving them work.
Well, I went back and reported to him, told me what they said and he said
, well, how much, what do you want sent $400 million. We should be a
prevalent these days is the value of the dollar. About a billion. Yeah. Uh
He said, well how did you get that figure? I thought it telegraphed every
state highway department and I says and ask them how much money they could
use.
I said they couldn't use that much in one year. I said, I know they can't.
This depression won't go in one year. But they could have the money. They
can go to work. But the president plans that they make plans for another
year with the sure that they keep going. And that's what we did all during
a depression using was to provide additional funds. Uhh after that they
had to be matched. This was on a nice money. See. Yeah. Four world got a
basket or a ratio. Mhm. That's what it worked out. Oh, undoubtedly did a
lot to build up the highway system. Oh, give it a verifying stark. So I
feel that already paved highway in the west is a monument to carl Hagelin.
So you told me one I think you told me one time that totally with
President Roosevelt franklin. D Roosevelt that some comment was made
either by you are by him about the beautiful scenery out west. And you
said yes, we've got it. But what the user having it if you can't get put.
I don't different times during the depression. Michael Darling was always
talking Rose is quieter and all those interested in road. We'll say. Simon
says I'm not interested in roads in Arizona. I'm interested in a national
system highways. So, people from east of the north and the south
everywhere can come to Arizona. We've got the Grand Canyon and the
petrified. Now finally we have in southern Arizona what we think of the
finest with anywhere. We'll get to it. Senator. Hang on the day the
tourist crop is. Yeah. How ready were there? And when I say this, it's in
the millions. I don't know what it is, but I'm glad you. So senator. I
think it would be interesting if you talk a little bit about how congress
has changed. If you think it has changed since 1912,
of course, in the way it operates, it hasn't changed much. But the, the
right type of men and Oh yes, well, no
deterioration and ability and the car as it is there. They were able men
at all times. Uh huh discuss and act on important questions a little times
and the questions are different and there are different. But I've seen a
deterioration and ability. Some people have kind of looked back. There was
some great men and we haven't got them now with yeah,