we're here tomorrow. There
About 175 miles I think. Yeah, it's quite a way. And we don't have much
time to stay invested. And that's where Jill bushes. Yeah. Now what he
worked for the system for a long time, joe Yeah joe works from. Well I
don't when it started he's working. He's supervisor when I come here. So I
don't really started. But when you mean supervisor, what do you mean? Well
like an inspector mind run around watching after him and he makes out the
extra list. Marks up. You like to fight extra man. He'd mark me for a
certain run tomorrow. Right up for the bullet and go around and dried the
streetcar and watch the fellas. Make sure everybody's doing it right. See
that everything
keeping on schedule and doing everything right. And he quit in 19 ferry
boat on the river there. Parker uh his hack of the quit. But he told me
when I went up there that he had had a half interest in several years and
that he was buying it out and he wanted me to go up there and run it for
him. Well I thought I would and he come back down here. He said man you're
not going to have to run that thing. He said that guy to steal me blind.
He said that that's a man up there. I'm quitting and going out there.
Those old so quit. He said that other fellows had stole himself rich and
sold out. And I made him too. I guess they didn't have any kind of bridge
across their bridgestone.
They kept that a long time. I guess he made pretty good fortune of that.
No. Until they built the dam up there. Is that when they put the bridge
crossing? No, the bridges down by parker. The dams went bull there? Parker
dam, what they call the parker dam. Been up there. Yeah, I think it is. I
don't think there is any road goes out from there. Your book that you can
go up there and cross. But I don't think you're going or do you have uh,
your income family? But where do you go? I don't think you're going to the
santa fe Railroad goes up there some where it crosses right there by the
bridge because they used to run a, what we call the doodle bug out of here
and there when they were building the dam. Yeah. I guess when those gas
electric, I happen to know that come back from the army at first before I
done anything Cut right across the United States and went down in Santa Fe
and right to Parker and I paid 15 cents for a couple of calls for the
first time I ever paid that I'm alive and went from there to open in
California Richmond. My oldest sister lived there and I want to visit her
visit all the rest of the family. And uh, I remember going through
partners very clear that the first time I did, I'll pay 10 cents way back
somewhere and then 15, there would have been not biting water, probably
court parking, but anyway, I didn't care too much for you tonight.
Sometimes I want to drink it kind of cool at night. I mean, do you still
drink it or do you know, once in a while I drink a cup not off to Yeah, it
isn't necessary. No, I think you're probably right, it's a habit, but I
never did drink Gregory in my life. Just drag it drag, it takes pales in
France. I drank quite a bit and that cold snowing are going woods up,
that's kind of cold up there and it wasn't much cold, it snows about there
sometimes and how you get moot. He was chairman. Mhm. Yeah, that was quite
an experience. Mm hmm. Yeah, Well there's one album one I never want to
see again. Yeah,
I don't
I don't talk about it people unless it's a serviceman has been over, you
can't do it. Uh they look at you and I know there's a lot of going on
Bragg and people that don't know, but they don't talk to soldiers. Uh but
they thought they weren't there and they can tell them anything, but I
don't like to tell stories because it's hard to believe and the people
look at you and I can tell you think your life Bragg and kind of boasting
, so
and I've heard a lot of remarks about it now, he's got his son is in uh
World War Two and open lose on wasn't it was uh
blowed up blowed up a mountain and he just got through barely had got
through and I guess knocked him down and had him in the hospital. He
wouldn't talk to him about it when I talked to his own daddy and he heard
him and talking enough another nephew of ours because
uh in what way were you wounded? He said why are you it moved out of
telegrams that you want? Hello we've got a telegram that sends you
slightly going into an action and it's about a few months the whole heard
from him again. And boy really he worked well worried. He finally said he
broke the spell. He no no very controlling our Children. But he said he
wouldn't move but he told me he was and you heard him talking see this
other boys in china for years china India and Burma. Another one of the
other sons. And they got talking to you ever heard him? And he was but you
see he was talking to Fuller knew what he's talking about.
You didn't lead to $300 About 1214 on the latest contest. It was all very
uh huh. He wouldn't have to me he knew he knew He's barking now you might
see him once in a while he's in 30 seconds to you know that
32nd McDowell
Bailey's story there on the corner. Mm. He got his name on his name's
Calvin Calvin Coolidge. But he's got his name up there ham Over his
Children. Well he's making about $235.
six weeks doing three shows.
Mhm. been in more than 40 years. was were there many bridges across the
canals and things on the old railways even in here? Yeah there was was
there a bridge? There was a bridge on the Grand canal for the for the
Glendale line. Oh yeah. Now did he cross any more canals
while across? No. Wouldn't you cross one on seventh street in Maryland at
the there's a ditch down there then a small village. Yeah. Yeah they had
their bridges.
Were there any out there weren't any other big canal crossings though like
out by Glendale or anywhere across no big deal. I don't believe the
mountain which now we wound up From 10 to 1 heard landing, had a bridge
over that little ditch there and where they just ties with rails high as
close together in the rails. Bear on them. People ever walk over them or?
Yeah
one time we tried with the cars got stuck with had to go off and leave the
streetcar in and knocked him off no date. Joy messed up card. Is that
planning is very blinding. That was private graduate and he had no right
on that bridge because he thought he could make it and you got stuff model
T stones. A pretty good size canal going into the indian school with his
boys at the indian school. Remember that? Yeah. Going to school but not
then there then there was that was Maricopa canal. Yeah. Called it. Yeah.
Yeah, we had that bridge to the school car but it's has been turned off.
We've got the you know, come up here and what this way and I don't
there's no canal between here and across this way between here and America.
Does it curve? Was it just a grand canal? Grand grand canal
around Dead man's curve. Dead man's curve. Yeah. Right down here. Didn't
much care. We got down there. They
had a good Mhm. I went out to the Lord would many a night I've ever spent
the night for a long time for a year or more.
I never across that old canal within yourself
and I can't remember pull across. Okay. Sure. Well. Oh right. Yeah. Yeah
right here with this other bridges now. Yeah, we did have the present.
Yeah.
Did they have speed limits for you on those cars? No, but you could run a
long time and you can get a little faster and they didn't want to speed
too much mr Evans you take run of one block the other than that would get
full speed and they pick up momentum uh for several blocks, keep picking
it up and sometimes a little downgrade. Well, it's possibility. Outrun the
moves. If you had run their moving boy, they shoot for all over the
country. I don't know what I never did do it. It's pretty bad business
Mitchell told me that. But this band around said, Outrun your motors out
there and you blow yourself up. I don't think it had killed anybody. I
think it just scared me. But you drunk motors. I guess now it's the sam
Mitchell. A manager.
What kind of a guy who told me yesterday that he was a fairly decent
fellow. Well, I thought is good. You know, you couldn't lie to him. No, I
don't blame him and you couldn't nick make your work and I don't mind for
days be hard, you work. And he was a strict, he's strictly business and
you tend to your business and he left me alone. He never heard the ever
said a word to me on the speech. He never did ball. Now they quizzed me
about that accident and he quizzed me like a lawyer. What? I didn't care
at the end of the facts such as the he said, I think he wanted me to lie.
I didn't think about the time, but I think you want to see if I lie. And
he said you didn't know it's against the rules.
Talked to a passenger when he was driving the car and I said, yes sir, he
did. This is and you just live really violate the rules. He said well
that's what you'll have to call it together. I don't know any other words.
He he looked like he wanted to grin man. Canticle. Um But my mother
taught me, my father died not six years old and my mother told us not to
lie. She said no matter what you do don't lie. If you tell the truth and
go to penitentiary everybody knows you're honest enough to tell the truth
and if you try to lie I would probably go anyway and then they'll know
your gremlin and all our you're just mixing it up and don't do it. It
always pays to tell the truth and be honest.
And I found it that way now you see I was honest where I grew up I come
out here I got good recommendations from two banks
and I've never done any wrong as any place. I could always send word back
to him questioning and get recommendations.
Mhm.
Well like this you must have you drove all the kinds of cars that they
were here I guess. Yeah most all types car trailers did they ran even
after they got the new streetcars? They still ran the old forties didn't
they? Yeah they ran. No they run one more Grand Avenue thanks on the place
when Grand Avenue is the only place to use the forties you wouldn't hear
the way when I got the new it was. Yeah the only place I might have used
one for extra. I couldn't hardly do it because there's one man cars then
there's one man in the car, but they run them on Grand Avenue and you just
uh stop, clicked up to switch over there, It was coming in if they got off
, he'd get there before they got off and stopping to play somebody the
orangewood after they quit running to Glendale, you put one man on there,
you load up in town and drive out here somewhere off the switch and stop
and collect your fares. What kind of cars were they using them out here
then? Cool, cool bags. The ones from san Diego.
Did they have the new cars yet? Or were they? Uh huh. No, they didn't have
them. They've done away with more lever cars when they got the new ones
and they started to need guns and I think it's in March, February, March,
1929.
Did the
So you say after they cut back the Glendale line while they still ran that
only they didn't use the big cars. I didn't use a big card and they didn't
go to Glendale, just went to call that place that hardwood. Yeah, just to
Central Avenue to go across and across that. How far? About a mile? I
didn't work at nuts after the quick, during the trial in and come back
myself to never worked it after they stopped running to glen day. We could
have had a good run in town. I didn't know what to work. It's just kind of
a left over for the extra board and there's lower seniority is mm and they
probably just ran it with one car then one card. All they operated. Did
they run it that way? Very long or well, I guess they run it that way from
here.
Now they took it out on the win because they took that car off our last
night. That blunder when I come back they want to run into Glendale.
So I don't know what just what they did.
I don't know what they did then big cards either to run over there. Those
blood things happened while I was gone. I was gone 2.5 years on those when
they ran the 40 cars after they had the new car on Grand Avenue. You say
there was still one man knowing they would just go up to the switch and
take the bears. Huh? Yeah,
yeah. Yeah. You, you collected your own fire didn't you? Part of the time
they had a conductor but they quit that. Finally I run that for nine
months. One times guy running 15 It took to sign up for over three times
nine months in, I saw that 15 can still connect to care for the Children.
School killed in there and then he would get up to five boys. If you
don't think that school was there. You called it Adam's school. Just some
trophy. five boys. Yeah. Adams. Adams School they call it. It was called
something else. Yeah. It's named after a teacher that Grace Court school.
It was named after a teacher. The reason I know that as I went to school
there, well I passed that many times.
Needs to move. Had a girlfriend live at the 26 points and I lived towards
your car barns. We go to show overnight and we'll take off across the
country. Wasn't much buildings have been done. We passed right by this
quarter of the school trail went right across cutting the caution of one
out ground out and we stem show too late at the walk or ST last streetcar
nine at 10 o'clock but didn't get it and walk back. Mhm. I don't care them
days. I could walk To go out at 4:00 AM. Table 4:00 morning, good work,
Work all day to go back there tonight. Table 4:00. All right, pretty
strong. But I guess I used it up. I don't know. I'd say you're still doing
pretty good. Well,
fairly well. I could do better. Consider would have to change a flat tower
building. Considering considering all things. Yeah.
Well, I do think the things I've been through in my life. I'm pretty lucky
to be here. I worked in the coal mine one time down to Albert texas. Dead
cold and man of federal in the mess back with that. It's the only stayed
there a short time. We're going to ask you drench a while,
Where was the Austrian train down South Phoenix? one of the ones here?
Yeah, I just worked on that out of curiosity. Worked about a year. I quit
that before I quit the railway. Just in time too. I want to put down there
and work rather than to work here among the ostrich and I worked there
about a year over year and then I went home back home to my mother. What
did they do with the ostriches? They, they sold, sold the feathers and the
eggs, uh, they sent the eggs, but they didn't hatch. They punch a hole in
the end of them shells as thick, heavy, punch a hole in and out and drain
it. I think the war and all that lining and everything out and clean it
out and hang it out a while and sell them shells to visitors for dollars
piece. I take one home back to four Cubs, you know, whatever happened to
that disappeared. I don't know I had one, I picked up booms, they pulled
off, they wouldn't pick them up and I'd pick him up and I have two sisters
here in phoenix and given to them and they put fixed plumes on their head.
They had some of the beautiful hat you've ever seen. But if they fell off
, they wouldn't pick him up, how did they do? They clip them off? They
clipped and then that
stem. But the clips are out of clothes and that's them come out. She had
when it flipped it. The thing they were interested in was the ostrich
feathers. Mostly women. Yeah. Well that's about all it's worth feathers,
feathers and eggs. All the women wanted them in their hats. Yeah. These
plumes are very popular them days in the world. War one broke out where
they just went to the water. They quit using mm We'll go in. There was the
boss down the foreman there. Remember him? He was a Sheriff here one time.
Remember the name? Remember Sheriff Roy Merrill got arrested. Yeah. M and
Westfall. Yeah
constable. I forgot his name. I knew him. Harry Westfall. Yeah but he was
just a piece. But I mean the constable, he's being present, Constable. He
got arrested. Well I forgot his name and I knew him mm And I had to watch
for but she's got the job now her husband died. Heard.
Well I reckon maybe I'd better go home and have something to eat. It's
been a bit and I've been you just don't care about eating well. Uh the
worst trouble is to eat in your own company. You know I can take from
other people can lead to blacking. So my argument didn't do no good. I
brought these along and I'll bring him back some other time. These are the
conductor books you know where they wrote up about everybody's records.
Yeah. And the first one starts in about 1911
And then the 2nd 1 Is there's one missing somewhere in the middle. The 2nd
1 is about 1922.
What? And I was I was looking for your uh your incident in there about the
girls and split sweat. But that wasn't that wasn't that was would have
been in the middle book that they that I don't have. I don't know where
that is. Last 1900 14 I believe. Would you hear them?
There's a seniority, there's a seniority list. I'm long, long, long ago.
Perhaps
I should have old man Corman's name. The winner Thompson
uh
longing I think you know him. Don't you curious?
Yeah. Okay, sure. Yeah. Here's the good news and learn something
marshall believes you're carrying too. Yeah.
Willie remember? Do you know where you live? Yeah. Yeah. So she's
Stevenson. Old Harry. He's over in the riverside bakery. Remember him, huh
? Yeah. Make a blunder and
Taking one big kick the ball over doors. Yes, Hecker. Yes. Biggins. Mhm.
Yeah. Little old. You know anything else. Mhm. Brown. Yes. Yeah. Million.
The first she had a lot of letting go. Stephenson
had looked in the jake.
Mhm pam. You remember him? Thanks. Yeah. Jervis
G. W. Jarvis nice for
get it Borman was right next winter when we were so working in 1314.
Yeah. See dad with tv and said Warm in there. He's 68,
wow. Yeah, cool fellas. Who's that cool vintage?
No, yes, we do it for me. Oh, roberts. Yeah, my glasses, mixing their
cover. So john hoover
Bishop Norwood. Every daniel man, that's when it'll happen Fleming, Jessie
Fleming is my movement on washing street one time was coming east with
pull pull back break rating from the library. Mhm quit the track and one
player over to the north curb of this street thought trying to took off
look at and I said, yeah, guess what have you know? You just told me he
breaks it just came off just come off the tracks spread and they just
jumped. Huh? And we took off the curve. You're going, I don't know what
happened. I bet that took some doing, huh? They didn't make another car
and pull it back over but don't let the car just passed if he'd hit that
car just smashed. It Does't say much about you hear this just says Sam
Hodges December 1924 begin employment as conductor december. Okay, january.
Okay. And interned in reservation resignation may 11th 1925
And it says quit June 20. Very good conductor, but very poor health. Very
poor, very poor health. Yeah. What he meant? I don't know if that's very
good conductor, but very poor health And it says always willing to help
out and was asked back to do so on July 15.
Return to Work August three. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And on. Okay.
All the rest of it, 1924 Anyway.
That's when I come back and it says Albert Hodges began employment as
motorman former employee here. And I don't know why they didn't say that
about you. Mhm. Is December two, careful but unable to run his car on time.
Well he did run on time.
Yeah.
First when he first started that came right on time. That's right. Sure
can he had a little trouble but I did too when I first started you know
you get scared they have too much pain to hear somebody. I'd like to have
the one that
showed you as the you know about that little split switch incident. But
that's not. Yeah. I don't know where they kept a record of it. Not. I
guess you did. Well they must have somewhere but
there's several pages out of this old book gun. There's a says conductor
Gorman here. Yeah, he's the first man I worked with in order for it for me
Record of conductor of July 1, 1911. Gorman Ward Wiener O'hare or Hero
Stover Dean. Yeah, broke me in Bradford.
Anderson Thompson lime
Moffitt, bowman Wilson burgess. Peterson cox, Rayburn
Macdonald McNabb
file they
and on and on quite a bunch.
Well I better get going home. I'm juergen binger two well Ben Geri Markey
had he was 66 degree. Wasn't going to let me go to Robin. They went out in
the school one night and night in the school road. Uh poison never don't
do this.
Well, Israel's the room here and we stopped for a passionate. You gotta
walk, you're stuck a gun in his face and robbed him, took his change and
headed out. He's coming in and telling about it and they said thought you
had a gun. He said I forgot about it.
Did they have many hold ups? Not very many 1? Oh no fella. You see that
Bert
Bert you know I think he got held up more than anybody. Got held up the
end of the kennel worth line several times. So he'd go down to Turkey. But
he said probably up to and back in, you know go around right. Some guy
threw them will take his change of Egypt. He's by himself and can't work.
You got Robert I think three or 4 times. Well, I know that Bill scott
told me that when he used to work that night he was kind of afraid of
being robbed. And what he'd do is he'd put his money down behind the
controller and keep the company's money up here. Yeah,
well he, the way I'd do it I'd leave my headlight back there until you
change the trolleys and you've got your headlight and you see him before
we get to him had been the best way to handle it. I think
I never did get robbed and everybody have bothered me.
Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.