WEBVTT 00:00:04.139 --> 00:00:06.139 Mhm. Okay, good evening. I have a two pleasure. This is me and having one 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:16.447 of my good friends as our good a beautiful girl renewal recall is having 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:20.697 taken a part of the other woman in many films productions. In fact, he co 00:00:20.730 --> 00:00:25.486 starred with Class Brooke Don Berliner, Mr Mclaughlin, Ronald Colman 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:31.206 Writers Kitchen and many other big stars. He was likewise a renowned humor 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:36.436 having made her opera debut as never in biopsy and more than that she has 00:00:36.469 --> 00:00:40.997 recently become an officer and her new book Park Avenue Doctor will be 00:00:41.030 --> 00:00:45.557 published next month. It's indeed a pleasure for me to have with us jane 00:00:45.590 --> 00:00:49.396 Winston jane, thank you for being on our program today. And I would like 00:00:49.429 --> 00:00:53.027 to ask you were talking about the movie stars, you know, Clara's book is 00:00:53.060 --> 00:00:57.057 gonna play in new york called second place whole. Yes, indeed I do. And I 00:00:57.090 --> 00:01:01.836 also know that it's being produced by your assistant mary husband Alfred 00:01:01.869 --> 00:01:04.887 juliana. Well then you're wonderful. I haven't seen the paper and look 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.936 forward to seeing you and I look forward to it. People I'm very fond of 00:01:07.969 --> 00:01:11.367 crime and I'm happy. He was fascinated us again. Now what constituted go 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.257 into opera and leave the film saying, well actually it was walter pidgeon 00:01:15.290 --> 00:01:18.997 who gave you the idea we were doing any picture together called Melody of 00:01:19.030 --> 00:01:23.326 Love. Yes. I remember trying to get every imaginable sound. So they 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:27.736 suggested I play and sing and well water seems to be impressed with my 00:01:27.769 --> 00:01:33.076 voice and suggested but I stayed so I would and very, very hard after 00:01:33.109 --> 00:01:37.197 studying seriously for a couple of years, I just concentrated on music and 00:01:37.230 --> 00:01:42.697 language is an operatic roles. Finally, I made my bed was met and biopsy 00:01:42.730 --> 00:01:47.277 at the Brooklyn Academy of Music in new york and I might say almost died. 00:01:47.310 --> 00:01:52.057 You don't mean that states I do jane well, this is certainly should go up 00:01:52.090 --> 00:01:55.076 on the bird song, which is, you know, it's one of the most difficult of 00:01:55.109 --> 00:01:58.667 soprano arias are standing behind the curtain thinking, oh, I could think 00:01:58.700 --> 00:02:03.087 , oh I could make believe I had a heart attack or I could die or something. 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.747 And by that time my voice towards got me started and it was, it's all 00:02:06.780 --> 00:02:09.517 right. And then when you did get into the role, all of his left to you and 00:02:09.550 --> 00:02:14.186 you were more concerned with your starting and relaxed then on with the 00:02:14.219 --> 00:02:18.487 soul. But your career, didn't it take you abroad as I recall. You even had 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:22.367 a radio program in London, didn't you Jane? Yes, I was doing some pictures 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:26.006 over there for British saloon and every Sunday night at 8:00 I worked on 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:31.316 many a Palmolive all they had a radio program that was made on tape and I 00:02:31.349 --> 00:02:35.006 don't really know or not. But this broadcasting does not do any 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:40.096 advertising. So the advertising of Palmolive was thrown to Luxembourg and 00:02:40.129 --> 00:02:43.436 played from Luxembourg back. How interesting. So there was lots of fun. I 00:02:43.469 --> 00:02:46.386 used to make two and three programs at the time was carol driven golf 00:02:46.419 --> 00:02:50.506 carts that he played at the Statler hotel. Oh yes and speaking of hotels, 00:02:50.539 --> 00:02:54.707 I remember the two Broca and well a record really didn't do at the pastor 00:02:54.740 --> 00:02:58.606 in new york and saying that for more than two years. Yeah and it rode the 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:02.967 record at that time. No one including Hildegard had been there two years 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:07.487 other than jane Wilson. Well it was a great fun and I had a marvelous 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:12.997 experience was during the war and and Oscar Hammerstein asked me to do the 00:03:13.030 --> 00:03:17.867 last time I saw paris on a program that was typed into the war shelters of 00:03:17.900 --> 00:03:21.517 London in the darkest days and I considered with very great compliment, I 00:03:21.550 --> 00:03:24.777 had the program taken off on a record. So I have it when I'm an old lady 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:28.506 and you're quiet and say once upon a time. Well that's a very long time 00:03:28.539 --> 00:03:32.476 jane you're speaking of war were so I remember your husband, major mike 00:03:32.509 --> 00:03:36.837 dot leave was in the army. But aren't you a navy daughter jane. When my 00:03:36.870 --> 00:03:40.307 grandfather was adamant Lewis would Robinson, he was my mother's father. 00:03:40.340 --> 00:03:46.987 And when I was doing war work I was very fortunate they gave me a, nobody 00:03:47.020 --> 00:03:51.666 gave me accommodation from my singing and sideways look proud and indeed 00:03:51.699 --> 00:03:55.277 the world with keeping of World War Two and those early days during World 00:03:55.310 --> 00:03:59.207 War Two in Washington D. C. I remember he very kindly went to Dumbarton 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.506 oaks which has since become very famous. Where a year as a matter of fact 00:04:03.539 --> 00:04:07.656 Marlene Dietrich Dorothy Lamour and many of the motion picture stars who 00:04:07.689 --> 00:04:12.946 sang for our visiting guests from all that. It was outside in the garden 00:04:12.979 --> 00:04:17.147 and the terrace it was just beautiful. He was their Lord and lady Halifax 00:04:17.180 --> 00:04:21.976 were there I remember and senator peter Francis screen and even his 00:04:22.009 --> 00:04:26.856 actually feed and asked them to be enough you know. Yeah yeah anybody even 00:04:26.889 --> 00:04:31.707 saying when we had the soviet uh idea indeed you were doing such wonderful 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:35.587 work at the United Nations club again I thought it would be of interest 00:04:35.620 --> 00:04:39.517 now if you recall the, well these were our allies where they're not 00:04:39.550 --> 00:04:44.187 dressed and everyone was talking them in 42 3 and we were trying to bring 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:47.746 into the United Nations and I think you and might not have had a lot to do 00:04:47.779 --> 00:04:51.817 with it at that time. Well we gave her a card party to remember we yes gin 00:04:51.850 --> 00:04:57.017 rummy and bridge and backgammon and And it actually was the first time 00:04:57.050 --> 00:05:01.496 they showed up at the hotel 2400 at the parties I think that is true and 00:05:01.529 --> 00:05:06.036 the whole Russian contingent came over but we were pretty kind of floored 00:05:06.069 --> 00:05:10.067 because all they want to do is play chess. Yeah 00:05:10.100 --> 00:05:13.846 and since you you ran out didn't you and not only that I went home and got 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:18.697 a lot of prizes. Yes I remember you know in order to see that somehow or 00:05:18.730 --> 00:05:22.546 other, the press contingent was well represented. Besides is given a yes. 00:05:22.579 --> 00:05:26.246 In other words we weren't able to get the Soviets even to join any social 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:31.127 activities in the Macy's tropical unless he paid chair and you and your 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.827 famous husband. I think we should tell our listeners about your famous 00:05:33.860 --> 00:05:37.837 husband. Well my mike was one of the best players rhythm. We have little 00:05:37.870 --> 00:05:40.656 difficulty getting them partners in the balance, remember? Yes, louis 00:05:40.689 --> 00:05:44.116 brown tell cade and never run yet. Head of the community and many others 00:05:44.149 --> 00:05:48.416 but no mic whom we're talking about and he's just about the same as you 00:05:48.449 --> 00:05:52.087 are though in another field. More and more stories. He really well I know 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.277 he was second the four aces and he's probably the number one disc player 00:05:55.310 --> 00:05:58.587 in the nation. Can't you tell us what you think? So? Do you ever play with 00:05:58.620 --> 00:06:02.877 him? Well he really doesn't play good. You haven't been playing it now for 00:06:02.910 --> 00:06:07.947 about 15 years but just before we were married, he uh oh he was the 00:06:07.980 --> 00:06:12.246 captain of the four aces then and they won the tournament to the british 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.236 team and the Hungarian team and then they had the french team over in new 00:06:15.269 --> 00:06:19.457 york as their guests there, one then two and then afterwards we were 00:06:19.490 --> 00:06:22.406 married the first tournament once in a while he'd be very big heart and 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:27.697 play with me. I die. Then afterwards we entered a tournament it was called 00:06:27.730 --> 00:06:32.017 the mixed pairs. It with the eastern and it was the most, one of the most 00:06:32.050 --> 00:06:34.587 important tournaments, Dorothy standards. Remember she's married to him 00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:37.877 and you don't remember the artist James and George Chilton gave a 00:06:37.910 --> 00:06:42.077 perfectly magnificent trophy was kept for a year. And then in the meantime 00:06:42.110 --> 00:06:46.986 covets engaged cups that you had for your highest score of the first night 00:06:47.019 --> 00:06:51.447 is a Tournament that lasted two nights. The doctor came over to me the 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:56.476 second night and uh, we won the media troublesome to all this night. She's 00:06:56.509 --> 00:07:01.406 got losing, you didn't have one. So the second night does he came over and 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:05.937 she's paying for her practical jokes, you know, and she said, well you won 00:07:05.970 --> 00:07:11.176 the tournament. Hands down and I would go Excited. He's so quite, and I 00:07:11.209 --> 00:07:13.846 said, Oh daddy, I don't think that's funny at all. Not really. Um, you 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.846 know, I was really upset about the whole thing turned out to the drag you 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.437 thought he was going across the junior on you before. That must have been 00:07:19.470 --> 00:07:23.027 a thrill. Even another laurel in another field. And we had this 00:07:23.060 --> 00:07:27.286 magnificent 12 ft on our piano for one year. That was all well, we 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.796 defended it lost and I do wish you have television. So that already 00:07:30.829 --> 00:07:33.726 audience could see you how beautiful and lovely you are. And also how 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:38.387 you're kind of describing these tournaments and these lovely gifts and 00:07:38.420 --> 00:07:41.246 prizes with your hands. You're going into a lot of the situations of 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.087 boston maybe that's because the gown I have on changing sane or did it 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.616 really, Yeah, I'd like you to describe the down you have, did you pick it 00:07:48.649 --> 00:07:51.906 up? Only saying it wasn't something that I want to stay and never get a 00:07:51.939 --> 00:07:54.746 girlfriend over there whose home was in Barcelona was the first time I'd 00:07:54.779 --> 00:07:59.387 ever been there is really very exciting. You know. And uh, I don't know 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:02.277 whether the standards were very happy about this or not. Everything they 00:08:02.310 --> 00:08:05.736 would try to go off to me. I would say, well it's just like the Virgin 00:08:05.769 --> 00:08:09.017 Islands and it really is. The terrain is very much like the Virgin man. 00:08:09.050 --> 00:08:11.647 Well, I was going to ask you about the Virgin islands. That steam was so 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.296 interesting when you mentioned your address because we have only a week 00:08:14.329 --> 00:08:19.306 ago, I believe established full relationship with stains. We've just spent 00:08:19.339 --> 00:08:23.546 a new ambassador standing Griffiths. I was reading about it. So you were 00:08:23.579 --> 00:08:27.156 there in anticipation of all of this. Well, this was the first time I'd 00:08:27.189 --> 00:08:29.777 ever been there. And of course instead of going, oh and ah about 00:08:29.810 --> 00:08:33.516 everything. All I said was, well, it's just like to take it down the color 00:08:33.549 --> 00:08:37.677 of the water is just all like jules. I remember reading the back of Virgin 00:08:37.710 --> 00:08:41.996 Islands in later magazine, I think you know more or less I would say put 00:08:42.029 --> 00:08:45.467 the Virgin islands on the map. When I think when I, according to this 00:08:45.500 --> 00:08:49.917 article Ization did didn't go down there after seeing for two years. While 00:08:49.950 --> 00:08:53.636 I was gonna say, I was really also tired after my prison room. Yeah, I 00:08:53.669 --> 00:08:56.717 thought I needed a vacation. So I went down there and things were quite 00:08:56.750 --> 00:09:02.207 primitive at that time. This was friend game. Oh, about 2.5 years ago. Yes. 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:06.006 And I had, 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.197 well, I just thought I'd try to find some beautiful spots that I could use 00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:12.896 as a fishing check or something like that. And you know, come to adam bomb 00:09:12.929 --> 00:09:17.346 , I'd live on a pineapple and 00:09:17.379 --> 00:09:21.256 go fishing or something. Well, when I went down there I went over to the 00:09:21.289 --> 00:09:26.707 island of ST Croix and that is the way that pronounced it ST Croix. Uh er 00:09:26.740 --> 00:09:29.256 uh 00:09:29.289 --> 00:09:34.407 and uh it's uh well it's the largest of the three of the Virgin islands 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.646 and it's the most beautiful island. It's really lovely. And the people 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.516 that live there today, the white population is very small. They're the 00:09:42.549 --> 00:09:47.557 descendants of the governors of the island and they're quite exclusive in 00:09:47.590 --> 00:09:51.967 their attitude towards tourists are not too happy about making it like ST 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.317 thomas. I would say that that's the same rivalry between the island of ST 00:09:56.350 --> 00:10:00.287 thomas and ST Claude. That is between Miami and we'll remind you can say 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.707 is that sometimes you between phoenix and Tucson here in Arizona, I don't 00:10:03.740 --> 00:10:09.386 know what you want Francisco California. Yes. But then I love hearing 00:10:09.419 --> 00:10:12.496 about the Virgin Islands. I'm so anxious though to talk about your new 00:10:12.529 --> 00:10:16.226 book, Park Avenue, Doctor with the City probably in april is it not? Yes. 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:18.557 At the end of the month, he knows how to go out and just use writing as a 00:10:18.590 --> 00:10:23.496 career anyway. Well, actually it chose me beautiful chronologically. What 00:10:23.529 --> 00:10:26.807 do you mean? Well, as you know, after it was my first choice and then 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.407 singing was my second. But I found that not with his career sitting well 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.287 with a happy marriage. So, well, they took me away from home and I'd 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:40.506 prefer being in my husband and since one right, with one kid and one part 00:10:40.539 --> 00:10:43.366 I just thought that wherever you are and you can find some mental intent 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:47.006 for why you're all right, well, that's good advice. But how in the world 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.957 you find time to write with so many varied interests, I guess I'm blessed 00:10:50.990 --> 00:10:54.197 to be a tremendous amount of energy. Well, you are that all right, what do 00:10:54.230 --> 00:10:58.947 you think is the most important factor in writing a novel? Oh, no, it is 00:10:58.980 --> 00:11:05.106 not a question. Well, uh I'd say that it's necessary to have a set of 00:11:05.139 --> 00:11:09.256 characters that are interesting enough and sympathetic enough for the 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:14.126 reader to identify himself as one of them, he so we can feel a very strong 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.827 relationship with the characters when you're writing about the things that 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:21.537 almost everyone that reads has a feeling of estate and if you can lose 00:11:21.570 --> 00:11:25.557 someone else's existing to someone else's problems, whether they're happy 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:30.797 or unhappy. Right? So, Mhm. Get you away from your own. That is certainly 00:11:30.830 --> 00:11:34.927 an interesting bit of information, would you say, is it necessary to study 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:39.327 the mechanics of writing in order to be a writer? Or for me? Yes, but I 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.947 mean for, you know, like, I couldn't ask for any other writer, but I know 00:11:43.980 --> 00:11:49.986 that having job, good writing as a career fairly later after having two 00:11:50.019 --> 00:11:53.307 other careers. I didn't feel as though I knew much about it. It was more 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:56.246 wishful thinking than anything else. Did you go to Columbia University? I 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:59.537 spent several years special forces there between the university and I 00:11:59.570 --> 00:12:03.876 really consider it most valuable. But when I had an idea for this novel, I 00:12:03.909 --> 00:12:07.396 discussed it, you know, you need another Captain Albert. Yes, I do. Was 00:12:07.429 --> 00:12:11.756 the very famous rock story, really cosmopolitan Woman's home companion, 00:12:11.789 --> 00:12:16.896 all those books magazine, wealthy at all. At one time, he used to be head 00:12:16.929 --> 00:12:20.496 of the publicity department of Mexico, the Mayor when I was doing pictures 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:23.516 out there. So, we've been friends for a long time. She's so enthusiastic 00:12:23.549 --> 00:12:29.407 about my my writing career. But I was calling her about this idea. I had 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:33.167 for a novel and I said, you know, there's a novel of course at Columbia 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.096 Ice and dedication. She said, I think you ought to sit down and write the 00:12:36.129 --> 00:12:42.376 book because yeah, so, I just was appalled with the idea of all those 00:12:42.409 --> 00:12:47.927 words and how to have taken a couple of years courses in four stories. I 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:53.917 just, he suggested that I think of each chapter at the book as a short 00:12:53.950 --> 00:12:57.537 story. That was quite a wonderful approach for me because it made it so 00:12:57.570 --> 00:13:00.907 much easier if you're into that kind of environment influences one's 00:13:00.940 --> 00:13:06.616 creative ability. Oh, certainly be wherever I am I here where everyone 00:13:06.649 --> 00:13:10.217 will be a story. But I guess that's natural talked about the doctor as a 00:13:10.250 --> 00:13:14.246 result of my new york environment. And now I'm working on another book 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:19.437 that with a good now in background that is evolved from my entry for and I 00:13:19.470 --> 00:13:24.486 built this the west house called pink fancy in the little town of system 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:31.327 spread on ST Croix. And oh, my story uh, in the Virgin Islands story is 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.346 all about pirates and hurricanes and slave revolts. It's really high 00:13:35.379 --> 00:13:39.797 romance is very excited that this is the one writing right now. But as 00:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.106 support Avenue doctor, the one that probably next month it doesn't call 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:48.106 the medical things. As you know, it's a must stories in a medical bathroom. 00:13:48.139 --> 00:13:51.667 Uh, there are family doctor help me. I've always been interested in 00:13:51.700 --> 00:13:56.317 medicine And I feel many of the aspects of Park Avenue hostility equally 00:13:56.350 --> 00:14:00.047 interesting to the naming our doctor, our family doctor supplied the 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:04.677 medical information, which I tried to translate into terms of human 00:14:04.710 --> 00:14:09.437 emotion. Do you agree as so many people say that if you're talented in 12 00:14:09.470 --> 00:14:14.146 years you are equally as talented in another? Well I know that a lot of 00:14:14.179 --> 00:14:18.417 people wouldn't agree with that but I I've always found that if 12 later 00:14:18.450 --> 00:14:23.167 field is close to you and another one opens. Well I hope this last one 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.616 will stay with me because I enjoyed it looks well I'm sure that it will 00:14:26.649 --> 00:14:30.697 say Mr James. I'd like to tell our listeners how thrilled we are that you 00:14:30.730 --> 00:14:35.126 and your husband had become Arizona residents. You have as much. Oh yes, 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.197 I'm happy to hear you say yes because I'm still too well you have bought 00:14:39.230 --> 00:14:43.006 this lovely page and that's the broadcasting right from your home in a 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:47.697 beautiful sixties pro. And you're writing your new book here too. On. Yes. 00:14:47.730 --> 00:14:51.366 And I actually corrected all my galleys to parker of new doctor here. 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:55.636 Thank you. Well in your writing career has really been somewhat inspired 00:14:55.669 --> 00:14:59.207 in Arizona definitely. And I'm already getting ideas for my next book with 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:02.837 an Arizona bedroom. How wonderful. But we shouldn't look forward to. Park 00:15:02.870 --> 00:15:06.746 Avenue Doctor will be out next month. And thank you very much, lovely 00:15:06.779 --> 00:15:10.327 jerry Winton for being our guest. This isn't know that I'm so happy to be 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:12.360 withyou