I'll bet that's what it is. Yeah. This is going to close relations. No,
no, no
I guess it's gonna work. But I want to say one of these days. I'll think
it goes out. Let's look at I think you might enjoy it. But I got a picture
of one of those little pictures that I found. It shows a fella in a buggy
racing a completely open car. It's opening the seats set forward like this
and the whole car is open and he's raising his car with a button. It
turned out there was turned things were straight across there was a
complete open car. That was a real old time because when I come where they
had a old handbrake forms and And then they had before the poison an old
33 at that time. Mhm Maybe later. That's when you're tired was it? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. You need to. All right. Well I got some specific things I
want to ask you about and then maybe we can get into some of these other
things. Really. Got more pictures here than I Yeah. Want me to do it. I
just looked anymore. Mhm. Yeah,
totally holding yesterday. All right. So how does that feel that they did
on the busses and so forth the phone. I'll put your here So I don't get
mixed up with mine. And I made myself you know you didn't want to ask
about because there were things that I shouldn't find answers to and now
the first thing that I was really interested in is just exactly where the
line to Glendale went. I've seen somebody about five or 6 years ago put
out a little brief history of the street Field Street Railway, which is
something called the Western Railroad magazine with a fan club.
It's just a little tiny pamphlet about like. So uh but they had a lot of
stuff in that. It wasn't true. I mean, I knew it
was prepared by people who didn't, they just came here later, they weren't
here and they were just trying to put together by guessing by golly.
I was kind of curious as to just exactly where when they align went. I
know it went up to the indian school. Well, not quite go to paramount
paramount, the first block south and we went, we hadn't switched at
paramount. And we turned off on that often. The indian school line, we
open the switch, he always closed behind us when we went on the other on
the court and we went over to Cloud Street And we went out 12 street, the
desert curve right out for the canal ones. And I don't remember what the
name of the street was returned is that, you know, then we turned down and
we let three blocks uh We go off Central Avenue, I guess maybe $3 for the
orange wood. No, we went, we didn't cost them, we went down about three
blocks in there. We had a substation. Did you ever hear about that old
substation because sometimes we get out there and we didn't have power
enough to get back to town and they tell us running it would have to go
and turn on the jews, get far enough to get back in with one car. You see
we went by that substation and then we came on up to Orange Wood on third
street here. As I can remember on third street, came on up to orange wood
and then we crossed on orangewood and went straight across the well now
the map that I saw that in a minute. It's made by the people that got it
out of the newspapers. Sometimes. What if there was a newspaper article
that was written by my friend jay per share who you may see his name on
some of these things because he's a writer for the possessed, he's my age
, I went to kindergarten with him and he grew up out there on the West
Adams Street, their houses right on well, you know, before the capital
left at a blind stop while there was a market over here. Uh no right on
adam. You know how long the capital they got the annexes or somebody from
there. Yeah. Well then just before the end of the one block at the end of
the line was training and I think it was well this editors, writers for
the gazette lived on that block right there. 11 in front of the crowd. But
anyway, This article has the line going off on Fairmont and then 12 We had
going 12 to not all the way in the canal. It has during the 12th and
Maryland. And then over on Maryland's 7th And then up 7th street, the ones
that didn't seem right to me. You know, we went we return. Now I want to
say it went to the canal because I don't remember how
far we did. You know, we call it a desert curve but it was where people
need to go on a picnic. Yeah. They used to ride out to the desert curve
and they wouldn't get off there And we go to desert curve. I don't know
just what street that was on. And then we turned west and went over to 3rd
street and as we turned, why was right there? To the substation maybe a
block north. It could have been a block north of where we turned on 3rd
street. And as near as I can recommend, I tell you old Sam Hodges is here
and he's really telling you, he's a couple of years older than I am. But
he just sure got a wonderful memory. You can just tell you about all of
these fellows and remembers those guys.
Yeah, this is victor once there was a well now several tokens
tokens. Yeah, yeah. There was two or three kind of Pittsburgh had the same
ease into it three times
this when they said, I was looking under a picture reprinted a ticket Here
on the one day line on this article? And they started out and they go from
Phoenix and his Indian school, that's his 7th street. It's a desert curve
and it says orangewood curved and then it says old Black Canyon and the
new Black Canyon o hambro, it says section something green and Sugar roads.
I mean when they, well no, I couldn't swear for sure that it went out.
Orange went all the way. It was pretty, it was pretty uh pretty straight
though because I never did get to make the trip. Someone twice. I went all
the way into Glendale with the man that was breaking in. Other times, we
went up to central and run two miles a mile or two west and then they used
to cut us off at 10 o'clock at night that was to take the mexicans of, all
of them were working, yeah, work out in the country and they had no
transportation and we also, I'm going to get us a mile west of Simple or
two miles left to Central and then we change the cars up and get back in
well on saturday night they'd have another car come out at midnight to
take the them that we missed down in town come out. Well we'd have to get
back in there to the substation or someplace down there. Um, that line
past them. So I don't think we had any side tracks that I remember I'm
falsely at all where was this with uh if there was it was just right
around the station right in their bite but I don't remember whether there
was tracking they're not switching. I can't tell you that. Well I ran into
doing some uh there was a newspaper articles about when we first set up Um
that I found back in the newspaper archives and printed in 1911 and can
anyway when they first put the line in they talked about the new power
station and they said at just the orangewood how they turned it in the
article just to well you know for sure who was meaning what when they said
you never know and then they said in the car is passed at a switch or a
bypass and I had the impression that that's where it was. Well I think
there was as I can recollect, I don't remember I've ever passed the call
in there anything because I know one time I went a little bit farther west
and but I was supposed to go of course attack and the towers on all the
way in his end there. And I said to one of the mexicans, there's only a
couple three at that time I said I think I have about the end behind he
said jay about a mile farther than what the other town state says. So I
had to change up the room and beat it back to know. But we didn't have too
much feller can because sometimes coming up along now you could turn their
walk and uh, as fast as a car was coming up together kurds letting us
power. And so if you went, you went then on Fairmont 12 and up 12 to the
canal. Well, we call the desert. You can keep the canal bank. You know, I
never want to see that. It's never seen. And then it went all the way over
to the central. It's a third street got a number of that very well and
then north on third street. It seemed like the orange wood, square corners
and then we turned it with as near as I could down straight west and I
enjoyed it all the way in the game there have us over to chris town one
day and conferences and folks and I said Something about that run a strict
cut off point foot over there all because of the hell. He said, I have a
job for 15 years. You'll never know I'm there or something like that.
Maybe said, I'm going to have the old lady here. He was rendered from an
old ways and you, anyone talked to her. She said, Yes. They used to be a
street come right out through there. Well, you can see the tracks is in
there. Yeah, you do that, you know, but people don't, people don't really
, I thought people that they should all know, that could never be. I don't
remember it. But my father and my grandfather who riot, I well knew that
it was there, jesus what they used to give us a life, want to ride with me
or anything like that. I do take the tickets. They gave me a bunch buck up.
Well the token they charged open seven cents. Here are four tokens. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah, 1911, 12 and 13. That's when they put them out, you see. But because
I didn't start to 24 and they still give me the life of book of them so
that we could write the cars. That's what it's all I can do here.
Something. Glendale Orangewood, Salt River Valley Nurseries in Urban
extension to the railway company after your mouth.
No. Good. I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to do that. Well, it doesn't
matter to me. I don't know. I thought I thought you should not throw it
away, but this is an antique and you certainly should not throw this away
because someday, you know, they've got a historical commission now, the
city's got going and someday they're gonna be collecting stuff like this
and like that. And as a matter of fact, I'm trying to interest the
historical commission in getting ahold of four of these streetcars and
there's still four of these cars left. They're in an auto court, out by
the aluminum plan. And uh fella told me that when I thought there was one
out here on by the ballpark behind an amusement park for a long time, 504.
So why was and it had been in pretty good condition and then they were
using it in connection with their amusement park. Somehow they poured a
concrete foreigner. We kind of ruined it, but I thought that was the only
one. But then this fella told me that. Well, somebody told him that there
were three of them in a trailer park by aluminum from, from where? So I
got a send a couple Saturdays driving around and all the streets out there.
And sure enough, I didn't find three. I found four and they are in
surprisingly good condition had been lived in and then they turned into my
trailer just hold but they did not pour concrete floors were sitting up on
blocks and so all of the undercarriage, not the wheels of course, but all
of the supports and all that are still there and the and one of them, they
didn't do anything to the windows and put curtains on them and where the
doors were, they put a storage place where they put a front either they
took those off, but and where the sun end of the car was just put some
deeper board and wrapping around the front and then classic over that
everything is intact behind that time. And so I'm trying, I'm trying to
interest the historical society perhaps in acquiring those and teams maybe
we couldn't get the railroad historical society to aside too restore one.
You know, there's a trolley car museum over in California, uh, place
called Perris California is like, you know what riverside is? Yeah, this
is about 20 miles south of riverside. And they started I guess about 10 to
2 years ago. And they've been stimulated trolley cars from all over the
world and they've got two miles of track and run and made out, oh God,
we've got all those specific electric cars in Los Angeles cars and san
Francisco cars and they even have one from New Orleans. So they've got a
computer urban cars and this Columbia. I mean they, my parents that are 50
or 75 cars that will operate. Uh they also got a lot of other stuff like
that. She is, you know, all that kind of uh 20 thinking man, we could, if
we could acquire these out here, we could maybe save them some car bodies
and some tweaks and adjustments like that. This time yesterday I was in
New Orleans and I was driving, I was down there on business and you have
to car line that operates there for uh the three cars that run in new
Orleans are over the knees right here. They have one line and they kept it
as kind of the first attraction and the cars are all in this beautiful
condition and build premier operations. Uh, and, and they're just now
starting to convert one or two of them to one million new operations. So
they run down a run down from the right downtown all the way out to help
in ST and it's I think it's six miles so long running and it runs right
down the parkway and then double back with hold down the center And then
they're going to from both sides and green grass and the beautiful part
would be probably card and uh and it is something I've never asked how
many they have that uh oh I said it's at least 30 or 40 and still
operating. And uh it's really uh those cars and they, they are older.
They're not really fancy uh that we don't know where they moved these
first cars after we got rid of them. They took him up to 19 the next
portion and had them in a trailer park there. There was, I think it was
one of them on one time Last Jose those, those were the handbrake yet
hasn't handled those were there until 1961 and the city made them uh fair
amount. They said there's many reasons for the housing in there, but they
wouldn't cross to the coast standard. Uh, there was a reason for farm
labor places and caught fire and they all burned up. Uh, so it's just, you
know, for the different things. But you shouldn't show something like this
away. Any circumstances at all. Actually that's what when you know it or
not you could sell that. But the railroads come out for a whole bunch of
money. Uh You know there's an awful lot of people are. Yeah.
Yeah. Well done. Well, you know, you know it's really people didn't know
how well off they were really. You know when when you use the streetcars
came everything that You know, they were dependable. And now you can't get
a bus for an hour and just live all in alternative. They had a look at
what they work for for an hour. What did you start at 33 to start with?
You started in 1924. And what they're saying when you kick I got dollars
82 in the last eight years I drove a bus. Uh
they start getting uh did uh when you first place to work, what what what
do you think that? Well when I broke in on all the heart and separate.
Yeah I was on Washington street on that when it was running back and forth
on Washington street. And uh you know and then I I think think for one or
two days and then the old man said cranky and fussy. Why inspector seems I
wasn't doing so well. So I think he'd give me that mr equivalent or
something like that. I think I went over old man binder. He was on I said
call him old man because there was two other binders later on, two of the
boys I'm a real live and die with the Bill Ryan one day with him and the
old man, he just couldn't lose old man, binary says you know about it
until I go ahead and run and then he told me if I was gonna did something
wrong or something like that. But man, he was he had me scared you know I
was a farmer when they come here and he had me scared. I bought my first
of all I can hear you have to see and had to come down here and I had a
good job of some kind of anything because it was put down hard to get a
job at that time. Then I went over each line after a hope in hell and over
each lying our family used to work with couldn't maybe working shift on
general interest in that. Just all of us because all of us have run down
my number most of the time. A little bit bloody car. No. Yeah, most 30
months, 15 minutes hours cooking. In fact, we just came in the second
avenue in Washington and change up the comedy. We got back on to get there
now that line it's kind of hard to get the base to them. So they said we
can't really find them. Nobody was paying much attention. But that line,
the town was line is taking off for the Second World War in the late 1930
the first time and then they put it back on.
So they were running busses and 20 was one and 1913 37 and 38 to go around.
Remember anything about that. You know? That's not what I want to do.
Well, the idea was that it used to be Later years and then they took it
all from within 47. It's the only one in this avenue. Yeah, yeah. We went
out, we went out there with a candle and then over the search for scoring
50 candles and then over a certain street kind that someone. So this was
this was taken a candle. Uh Fifth Avenue now, but it used to before the
war and as originally laid out, that line was spread and work from there.
No, I don't think of everything. I don't know what to do. So both of you
let this smoking field. Well that was sober field from McDowell, that was
a hayfield that we went out to a hayfield almost to encounter. And I think
he was building on the south side of any kind of At that time. Just a few
houses. And then we jogged over to 3rd Street. Hey feels cold because I
used to get held up out through there once in a while and they'd always
get the boys out there and that you can hold up to college. Yeah. They
held up. I
know they had me scared when I got there. I used to count out my changes
have made a copy and thank you. Put it down behind the control or
something like that. So I figured if I did get held up by the company's
money to get my mind, we're supposed to have, but I figured we were
supposed to have five hours and change all the time. So I have to go to
the next morning because if I didn't, I wouldn't have had it because I
didn't have any more. So that's why I always was tried to play safe from
myself because after that we didn't take him very much to get a chance to
go out of town a lot of the time that went up in the Kanto and then turned
the candle. Yeah surgeon, we used to have after 10 o'clock at night they
had a right over certain and candle on a big hole there And if that light
wasn't on, we did and didn't have no passion as we go out. We didn't have
to go out there. We could just stop it down the road and change up the
circulation back into town between, but we kill more time down roads and
so we wouldn't be on the scheduled time and say because five minutes ago
there where we dry over five minutes down the road for what you do is you
look up and down you know that was delighted and we crossed the down road
and stopped just the into that medal he was over there, there was no right
over there. One time I got my college all team just ready to get out of
town and the light came out well I changed up tries quick and I went over
there fast food and I gotta have some man with one person so I picked him
up in the room and I'm like addicted to the back in town special thanks
because sometimes we get in there saying we're having a party by getting
that to this afternoon for the game. The scoop up standing down there
having a practice that you want to come out on the road go used to see and
I have to hold them up a little bit of my life, we tried to get in there
two minutes of avenue, something like that to go anytime another car might
be in there that's the only thing any of anything could be in a great
hurry about. Sometimes they would, it really was too much later. That kind
of work they start out and we'd have to wait for Mr Monroe, check it out
and then we run down there and change college last time we
did.
So if I get that right and listen I've never heard that term before. Um
Some people one of the course Mission in downtown lived on that line a
long time to ride all the time. Each had an angel boy. We used to go out
and walk along the line and it was kind of a private right away. You see
it and remember the defense or something. That's what I thought and then
the trees along and you know, it wasn't the only thing we used to accuse
them of what we used to have two watches to see that the owners out there
didn't turn knocked the fence down, turn the cattle and the right away
because if we get a cow or something horses and then they'd always with
the city pay for the Sherman of that kind of chairman headed to the first
started. So we had to watch for that. And of course if we somehow I never
did. But some of the boys had them off of close calls. I think one power
came to get killed this guy out there, but they found that we get around
the job, go out there and we're going to find out where the ski poles have
been pulled out. So let the cow get over there could be lots of grass on
the right away where there wouldn't be good grass and the methods they
naturally cower or get over there. They could, I didn't happen very much,
but they do that for us. They just what they have to hold the plane on
wooden poles,
they Dominique on each side, like over the wrong side of the street. They
didn't have anybody told that are you know,
we had them,
there have been some personal, we're just a few of the many very well
written up on meetings to a temple.
She anything like that put me away. I won't even do anything. Yes, the,
but anyway, that's a, I think this is, you know, I've never heard before.
He went up to Canada and then turn them over the third, that was sort of
the ground. And the third thing was somewhere uh somewhere have a map.
Thank you man. Yeah, I wasn't sure that it was absolutely,
we made the jog out in the field before we even got, we had two curves.
You see, we had occurred before we got the candle and then recovered and
went straight on up maybe another block with him to a candle uh street
where where we change your college and I went back the job, you might say
out in the hayfield, made a circle here and over there and I want to get
in Canada and then that's why the curve was. They were going home, yep. Um
you know what, that's exactly the way that
Let's go back to the way the Jet Party told me it was back in 1950s, you
know what a compliment. See a map when I did this in college shows doing
right up to right up here to enchant and then over the third avenue and
then these guys came out with this publication because they just had the
ending of Fifth avenue, you know, they and then in the third set of hands.
Yeah, that's kind of interesting. I wonder why they headed it over that
way. Maybe I didn't mind. Well, I, if I remember right, there's quite a
settlement often third east of that. Maybe it was maybe always. That's
right. And I think they done that the accommodation was because there
wasn't nothing less on a cost in Canada because he went on over the 7th
street. Mhm. When you first went to work, what color did they have the
card in it?
Well, I don't marketing kind of brown. She would like to be your kind of
brown and I never get their intention there. They might have been kind of
, well, they Things I've seen written say that they were in the early days
and in the early 1920s and yellow and then they were orange. And the first
family-related dreams I think the green cars is when we got them in 28.
Yeah, we got, We got 12 or 14. That's when I first got, because it had
dates on the after them. It was open colors and come to and uh, there was
nothing to shut the steps off. And I said, when did they, when did they go
to one man out there? Well, when I got the new cars that were supposed to
go, so it looks like one, Did they ever run two men on those new parks?
Yes, I think she did a
not very much so I don't believe it to anybody. Did you ever have any
questions one day? No. You know, I never, they tore up the tracks and then
the only thing they tore them up I think stop them. I think they're in a
year after I started doing because I don't remember, I know why I used to
go out with the desert, certain places right there. We've got that in the
property and you've been keeping up with them again for six months later.
But I think uh By 25 I think they must equip in 25. What do you say that
? I guess I couldn't swear to this. This is what he's hard to find. You
know, everybody said, well, you know, some people are the people that give
this writing and so much that it was wrong. I said, well when the city
took it over while they continue to run when the alarm and then they get
it back, but I never heard that before. No, I don't think I think that it
was taken off earlier from that. Yeah, because it was just, I think, I
don't remember how long suffering victims. Okay, let's go. That is still
in the german investment. Got in 27. Yeah, I think in about 26 or seven mr
50 cent, it's a little bit putting up new car. Oh yeah, you know, they run
it with the old hand at college and I have to and then they did this in
front of you can conduct a required mhm.
Israel contracts. That's when we got more noise confirming country. Yeah,
they had steel upon steel about four or five times then that's what
particular frames, steel wheels. I found the atmosphere of cars that have
been wooden beams or they wouldn't have much of anything. Uh I guess
there's some of the tax yet they would all the they were tearing up right
out in front of the capitol building about 15 months ago. They were
treated just like the y uh they're putting this kind of a park like from
there. And some contractors did the job and without reference because tear
up the streets without thinking or paying attention or finding out that
the solid facts into their and I know I talked to it was carl Rollins and
he was saying all the winter asked me, but I would have told him with a
password that got lost a bunch of money because you got written out there
, a very fine speed rail laid on welding a steel and concrete had no way
they steal ties, steel type and then concentrate on top of the field. They
reminisce about The size is about 4" wide, a little better like that. And
then they had to put the metal underneath because what whether, you know,
they sink down so they had to come and see them right in there with you.
Yeah, I understand and broke me, I broke him in and then, and then you've
got to be another crosses. Uh, did uh as near as I have been able to
figure out. Uh these people at Rhodes said that the cars, they say the
first yellow and then they were on just like all the city's putting it,
you know? And then they went to green and they said they went to green
after the Second World War and I know better than that because I remember
in my mom and Gimli when I was a little kid being very struck with the
fact that they changed the color on the street side, whether this is my
imagination and what, I don't know if that's stuck in my mind, but the one
thing that I forgot to bring a change of color and uh Well, you know, I
just have 100 must have been in the 30s sometimes when then got all the
shabby or something like that. I think the new card is breeding. In fact,
I know right now that's what we had real hand base up until the time we
got there and I guess and in the background line I guess I was about to
pass line, quick running women did you bend on the third round play? Oh
yes. I worked all What number did they have a number for that? But you
know, certainly, you know, we might be signed up for a different number
has had five on camera one night. We might get over there and they uh you
know, they have the lions numbers like one in jail and capital what they
want to force women. So they did uh attempted. Uh There does lines have a
number. What about all the time and caressed the candle was the spot. It
was uh Bill's working capital with them to uh it'll work. No. Yes, they're
working three. I was watching. He wasn't considering millions two and four
and I was just one of the suggested that the fairgrounds was five or the
Mhm. Well that's down the pipe for shock. And how did they run that? They
run that line all the way downtown all down seventh street or did they
just come down to where it met the capital one? No, no. Can. We came down
to where we met the capital seven things walking the street. And then we
went over on the double line, slipped and cut over the north side to the
south side and went down to fourth street to seventh street between six
and seven, then another switch center. And then we went out there in which
in the background the other home, we've got a one or two car operation
about to buy. I think it's two cars at the time we would leave. Yeah, I
think it was for them. Somewhere out. Yeah, they had one cruise about out
there just north of Roosevelt 13 year olds about enforcing because I know
that they can remember the tracks were showing in the branching out there
, but they were made in concrete north of north five points their way down
to your wife's plant. But that was the one place that helps them when the
city so well because you know the fellow that brought the outfit, anything
that the city tore up, he was to get you supposed to get the tax and
everything And that was four up, out and down. They found out about these
, you're good cover them over with concrete and it was that they're not
getting up. And then we had another switch of course I had to switch where
we costume gala road and I need the bedrooms. That would be good to get
the line and actually go into the yeah, we went across the road Rooms
about four or 5 cars. So what we've got left, you know, they have the
circuses or something out there wanting to break up with about four or
five cars. Start in. If we could get the people they want to scoring out
of the bill line to get on a real car there. They wouldn't have faster
down and down. They had to, we could switch in my older and they didn't
like you have to get a transfer,
but they wouldn't.