WEBVTT 00:00:01.169 --> 00:00:05.747 I'll bet that's what it is. Yeah. This is going to close relations. No, 00:00:05.780 --> 00:00:08.207 no, no 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.217 I guess it's gonna work. But I want to say one of these days. I'll think 00:00:11.250 --> 00:00:16.436 it goes out. Let's look at I think you might enjoy it. But I got a picture 00:00:16.469 --> 00:00:19.896 of one of those little pictures that I found. It shows a fella in a buggy 00:00:19.929 --> 00:00:25.486 racing a completely open car. It's opening the seats set forward like this 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:29.967 and the whole car is open and he's raising his car with a button. It 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:35.607 turned out there was turned things were straight across there was a 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:42.696 complete open car. That was a real old time because when I come where they 00:00:42.729 --> 00:00:48.626 had a old handbrake forms and And then they had before the poison an old 00:00:48.659 --> 00:00:56.659 33 at that time. Mhm Maybe later. That's when you're tired was it? Yeah. 00:00:57.070 --> 00:01:02.777 Yeah. Yeah. You need to. All right. Well I got some specific things I 00:01:02.810 --> 00:01:08.346 want to ask you about and then maybe we can get into some of these other 00:01:08.379 --> 00:01:13.747 things. Really. Got more pictures here than I Yeah. Want me to do it. I 00:01:13.780 --> 00:01:19.206 just looked anymore. Mhm. Yeah, 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.507 totally holding yesterday. All right. So how does that feel that they did 00:01:23.540 --> 00:01:29.296 on the busses and so forth the phone. I'll put your here So I don't get 00:01:29.329 --> 00:01:33.316 mixed up with mine. And I made myself you know you didn't want to ask 00:01:33.349 --> 00:01:37.436 about because there were things that I shouldn't find answers to and now 00:01:37.469 --> 00:01:41.967 the first thing that I was really interested in is just exactly where the 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:49.397 line to Glendale went. I've seen somebody about five or 6 years ago put 00:01:49.430 --> 00:01:53.376 out a little brief history of the street Field Street Railway, which is 00:01:53.409 --> 00:01:58.507 something called the Western Railroad magazine with a fan club. 00:01:58.540 --> 00:02:02.307 It's just a little tiny pamphlet about like. So uh but they had a lot of 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:07.747 stuff in that. It wasn't true. I mean, I knew it 00:02:07.780 --> 00:02:12.096 was prepared by people who didn't, they just came here later, they weren't 00:02:12.129 --> 00:02:17.707 here and they were just trying to put together by guessing by golly. 00:02:17.740 --> 00:02:23.527 I was kind of curious as to just exactly where when they align went. I 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:29.647 know it went up to the indian school. Well, not quite go to paramount 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:35.307 paramount, the first block south and we went, we hadn't switched at 00:02:35.340 --> 00:02:40.087 paramount. And we turned off on that often. The indian school line, we 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:44.207 open the switch, he always closed behind us when we went on the other on 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:49.436 the court and we went over to Cloud Street And we went out 12 street, the 00:02:49.469 --> 00:02:53.967 desert curve right out for the canal ones. And I don't remember what the 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:59.476 name of the street was returned is that, you know, then we turned down and 00:02:59.509 --> 00:03:07.509 we let three blocks uh We go off Central Avenue, I guess maybe $3 for the 00:03:08.900 --> 00:03:14.647 orange wood. No, we went, we didn't cost them, we went down about three 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:19.717 blocks in there. We had a substation. Did you ever hear about that old 00:03:19.750 --> 00:03:23.786 substation because sometimes we get out there and we didn't have power 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.186 enough to get back to town and they tell us running it would have to go 00:03:27.219 --> 00:03:32.066 and turn on the jews, get far enough to get back in with one car. You see 00:03:32.099 --> 00:03:37.557 we went by that substation and then we came on up to Orange Wood on third 00:03:37.590 --> 00:03:42.867 street here. As I can remember on third street, came on up to orange wood 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:48.297 and then we crossed on orangewood and went straight across the well now 00:03:48.330 --> 00:03:53.856 the map that I saw that in a minute. It's made by the people that got it 00:03:53.889 --> 00:03:58.106 out of the newspapers. Sometimes. What if there was a newspaper article 00:03:58.139 --> 00:04:02.316 that was written by my friend jay per share who you may see his name on 00:04:02.349 --> 00:04:06.517 some of these things because he's a writer for the possessed, he's my age 00:04:06.550 --> 00:04:10.617 , I went to kindergarten with him and he grew up out there on the West 00:04:10.650 --> 00:04:15.536 Adams Street, their houses right on well, you know, before the capital 00:04:15.569 --> 00:04:22.356 left at a blind stop while there was a market over here. Uh no right on 00:04:22.389 --> 00:04:29.736 adam. You know how long the capital they got the annexes or somebody from 00:04:29.769 --> 00:04:33.356 there. Yeah. Well then just before the end of the one block at the end of 00:04:33.389 --> 00:04:38.137 the line was training and I think it was well this editors, writers for 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:42.507 the gazette lived on that block right there. 11 in front of the crowd. But 00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:50.540 anyway, This article has the line going off on Fairmont and then 12 We had 00:04:51.470 --> 00:04:55.736 going 12 to not all the way in the canal. It has during the 12th and 00:04:55.769 --> 00:05:02.507 Maryland. And then over on Maryland's 7th And then up 7th street, the ones 00:05:02.540 --> 00:05:06.736 that didn't seem right to me. You know, we went we return. Now I want to 00:05:06.769 --> 00:05:12.457 say it went to the canal because I don't remember how 00:05:12.490 --> 00:05:16.306 far we did. You know, we call it a desert curve but it was where people 00:05:16.339 --> 00:05:19.866 need to go on a picnic. Yeah. They used to ride out to the desert curve 00:05:19.899 --> 00:05:23.387 and they wouldn't get off there And we go to desert curve. I don't know 00:05:23.420 --> 00:05:28.666 just what street that was on. And then we turned west and went over to 3rd 00:05:28.699 --> 00:05:33.827 street and as we turned, why was right there? To the substation maybe a 00:05:33.860 --> 00:05:38.507 block north. It could have been a block north of where we turned on 3rd 00:05:38.540 --> 00:05:44.467 street. And as near as I can recommend, I tell you old Sam Hodges is here 00:05:44.500 --> 00:05:48.397 and he's really telling you, he's a couple of years older than I am. But 00:05:48.430 --> 00:05:52.687 he just sure got a wonderful memory. You can just tell you about all of 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:58.106 these fellows and remembers those guys. 00:05:58.139 --> 00:06:04.286 Yeah, this is victor once there was a well now several tokens 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:10.666 tokens. Yeah, yeah. There was two or three kind of Pittsburgh had the same 00:06:10.699 --> 00:06:14.286 ease into it three times 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:20.697 this when they said, I was looking under a picture reprinted a ticket Here 00:06:20.730 --> 00:06:25.596 on the one day line on this article? And they started out and they go from 00:06:25.629 --> 00:06:31.676 Phoenix and his Indian school, that's his 7th street. It's a desert curve 00:06:31.709 --> 00:06:35.916 and it says orangewood curved and then it says old Black Canyon and the 00:06:35.949 --> 00:06:42.346 new Black Canyon o hambro, it says section something green and Sugar roads. 00:06:42.379 --> 00:06:47.616 I mean when they, well no, I couldn't swear for sure that it went out. 00:06:47.649 --> 00:06:54.007 Orange went all the way. It was pretty, it was pretty uh pretty straight 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:59.416 though because I never did get to make the trip. Someone twice. I went all 00:06:59.449 --> 00:07:05.027 the way into Glendale with the man that was breaking in. Other times, we 00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:09.666 went up to central and run two miles a mile or two west and then they used 00:07:09.699 --> 00:07:13.437 to cut us off at 10 o'clock at night that was to take the mexicans of, all 00:07:13.470 --> 00:07:19.147 of them were working, yeah, work out in the country and they had no 00:07:19.180 --> 00:07:23.937 transportation and we also, I'm going to get us a mile west of Simple or 00:07:23.970 --> 00:07:28.207 two miles left to Central and then we change the cars up and get back in 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:32.337 well on saturday night they'd have another car come out at midnight to 00:07:32.370 --> 00:07:37.286 take the them that we missed down in town come out. Well we'd have to get 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:43.567 back in there to the substation or someplace down there. Um, that line 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:49.327 past them. So I don't think we had any side tracks that I remember I'm 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.197 falsely at all where was this with uh if there was it was just right 00:07:54.230 --> 00:07:57.796 around the station right in their bite but I don't remember whether there 00:07:57.829 --> 00:08:03.777 was tracking they're not switching. I can't tell you that. Well I ran into 00:08:03.810 --> 00:08:10.366 doing some uh there was a newspaper articles about when we first set up Um 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:15.947 that I found back in the newspaper archives and printed in 1911 and can 00:08:15.980 --> 00:08:19.257 anyway when they first put the line in they talked about the new power 00:08:19.290 --> 00:08:24.937 station and they said at just the orangewood how they turned it in the 00:08:24.970 --> 00:08:31.556 article just to well you know for sure who was meaning what when they said 00:08:31.589 --> 00:08:38.327 you never know and then they said in the car is passed at a switch or a 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:42.577 bypass and I had the impression that that's where it was. Well I think 00:08:42.610 --> 00:08:47.606 there was as I can recollect, I don't remember I've ever passed the call 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:52.417 in there anything because I know one time I went a little bit farther west 00:08:52.450 --> 00:08:56.047 and but I was supposed to go of course attack and the towers on all the 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:00.187 way in his end there. And I said to one of the mexicans, there's only a 00:09:00.220 --> 00:09:03.547 couple three at that time I said I think I have about the end behind he 00:09:03.580 --> 00:09:08.067 said jay about a mile farther than what the other town state says. So I 00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:11.896 had to change up the room and beat it back to know. But we didn't have too 00:09:11.929 --> 00:09:16.346 much feller can because sometimes coming up along now you could turn their 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:21.157 walk and uh, as fast as a car was coming up together kurds letting us 00:09:21.190 --> 00:09:26.407 power. And so if you went, you went then on Fairmont 12 and up 12 to the 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:32.396 canal. Well, we call the desert. You can keep the canal bank. You know, I 00:09:32.429 --> 00:09:37.496 never want to see that. It's never seen. And then it went all the way over 00:09:37.529 --> 00:09:42.217 to the central. It's a third street got a number of that very well and 00:09:42.250 --> 00:09:47.687 then north on third street. It seemed like the orange wood, square corners 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.697 and then we turned it with as near as I could down straight west and I 00:09:50.730 --> 00:09:55.266 enjoyed it all the way in the game there have us over to chris town one 00:09:55.299 --> 00:10:01.327 day and conferences and folks and I said Something about that run a strict 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.197 cut off point foot over there all because of the hell. He said, I have a 00:10:05.230 --> 00:10:09.067 job for 15 years. You'll never know I'm there or something like that. 00:10:09.100 --> 00:10:12.266 Maybe said, I'm going to have the old lady here. He was rendered from an 00:10:12.299 --> 00:10:15.856 old ways and you, anyone talked to her. She said, Yes. They used to be a 00:10:15.889 --> 00:10:19.476 street come right out through there. Well, you can see the tracks is in 00:10:19.509 --> 00:10:23.947 there. Yeah, you do that, you know, but people don't, people don't really 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:30.016 , I thought people that they should all know, that could never be. I don't 00:10:30.049 --> 00:10:35.167 remember it. But my father and my grandfather who riot, I well knew that 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.467 it was there, jesus what they used to give us a life, want to ride with me 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:47.549 or anything like that. I do take the tickets. They gave me a bunch buck up. 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.639 Well the token they charged open seven cents. Here are four tokens. Yeah, 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.976 I don't know. I don't know. 00:10:59.009 --> 00:11:07.009 Yeah, 1911, 12 and 13. That's when they put them out, you see. But because 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:12.116 I didn't start to 24 and they still give me the life of book of them so 00:11:12.149 --> 00:11:15.457 that we could write the cars. That's what it's all I can do here. 00:11:15.490 --> 00:11:19.486 Something. Glendale Orangewood, Salt River Valley Nurseries in Urban 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:24.346 extension to the railway company after your mouth. 00:11:24.379 --> 00:11:30.157 No. Good. I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to do that. Well, it doesn't 00:11:30.190 --> 00:11:35.817 matter to me. I don't know. I thought I thought you should not throw it 00:11:35.850 --> 00:11:42.026 away, but this is an antique and you certainly should not throw this away 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:47.907 because someday, you know, they've got a historical commission now, the 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:52.177 city's got going and someday they're gonna be collecting stuff like this 00:11:52.210 --> 00:11:57.157 and like that. And as a matter of fact, I'm trying to interest the 00:11:57.190 --> 00:12:01.856 historical commission in getting ahold of four of these streetcars and 00:12:01.889 --> 00:12:06.447 there's still four of these cars left. They're in an auto court, out by 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:13.687 the aluminum plan. And uh fella told me that when I thought there was one 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:19.266 out here on by the ballpark behind an amusement park for a long time, 504. 00:12:19.299 --> 00:12:24.947 So why was and it had been in pretty good condition and then they were 00:12:24.980 --> 00:12:28.217 using it in connection with their amusement park. Somehow they poured a 00:12:28.250 --> 00:12:33.386 concrete foreigner. We kind of ruined it, but I thought that was the only 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:38.447 one. But then this fella told me that. Well, somebody told him that there 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:43.856 were three of them in a trailer park by aluminum from, from where? So I 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:47.896 got a send a couple Saturdays driving around and all the streets out there. 00:12:47.929 --> 00:12:52.146 And sure enough, I didn't find three. I found four and they are in 00:12:52.179 --> 00:12:56.766 surprisingly good condition had been lived in and then they turned into my 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.077 trailer just hold but they did not pour concrete floors were sitting up on 00:13:01.110 --> 00:13:06.276 blocks and so all of the undercarriage, not the wheels of course, but all 00:13:06.309 --> 00:13:13.356 of the supports and all that are still there and the and one of them, they 00:13:13.389 --> 00:13:16.687 didn't do anything to the windows and put curtains on them and where the 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.217 doors were, they put a storage place where they put a front either they 00:13:21.250 --> 00:13:25.907 took those off, but and where the sun end of the car was just put some 00:13:25.940 --> 00:13:29.726 deeper board and wrapping around the front and then classic over that 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.146 everything is intact behind that time. And so I'm trying, I'm trying to 00:13:34.179 --> 00:13:38.596 interest the historical society perhaps in acquiring those and teams maybe 00:13:38.629 --> 00:13:45.006 we couldn't get the railroad historical society to aside too restore one. 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:50.717 You know, there's a trolley car museum over in California, uh, place 00:13:50.750 --> 00:13:55.457 called Perris California is like, you know what riverside is? Yeah, this 00:13:55.490 --> 00:14:02.827 is about 20 miles south of riverside. And they started I guess about 10 to 00:14:02.860 --> 00:14:06.187 2 years ago. And they've been stimulated trolley cars from all over the 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:12.707 world and they've got two miles of track and run and made out, oh God, 00:14:12.740 --> 00:14:16.917 we've got all those specific electric cars in Los Angeles cars and san 00:14:16.950 --> 00:14:22.057 Francisco cars and they even have one from New Orleans. So they've got a 00:14:22.090 --> 00:14:27.837 computer urban cars and this Columbia. I mean they, my parents that are 50 00:14:27.870 --> 00:14:33.756 or 75 cars that will operate. Uh they also got a lot of other stuff like 00:14:33.789 --> 00:14:38.276 that. She is, you know, all that kind of uh 20 thinking man, we could, if 00:14:38.309 --> 00:14:43.087 we could acquire these out here, we could maybe save them some car bodies 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.266 and some tweaks and adjustments like that. This time yesterday I was in 00:14:48.299 --> 00:14:51.616 New Orleans and I was driving, I was down there on business and you have 00:14:51.649 --> 00:14:57.096 to car line that operates there for uh the three cars that run in new 00:14:57.129 --> 00:15:02.996 Orleans are over the knees right here. They have one line and they kept it 00:15:03.029 --> 00:15:07.707 as kind of the first attraction and the cars are all in this beautiful 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:12.256 condition and build premier operations. Uh, and, and they're just now 00:15:12.289 --> 00:15:18.026 starting to convert one or two of them to one million new operations. So 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:25.256 they run down a run down from the right downtown all the way out to help 00:15:25.289 --> 00:15:31.616 in ST and it's I think it's six miles so long running and it runs right 00:15:31.649 --> 00:15:36.407 down the parkway and then double back with hold down the center And then 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.626 they're going to from both sides and green grass and the beautiful part 00:15:40.659 --> 00:15:46.026 would be probably card and uh and it is something I've never asked how 00:15:46.059 --> 00:15:51.116 many they have that uh oh I said it's at least 30 or 40 and still 00:15:51.149 --> 00:15:57.256 operating. And uh it's really uh those cars and they, they are older. 00:15:57.289 --> 00:16:03.616 They're not really fancy uh that we don't know where they moved these 00:16:03.649 --> 00:16:07.746 first cars after we got rid of them. They took him up to 19 the next 00:16:07.779 --> 00:16:12.526 portion and had them in a trailer park there. There was, I think it was 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:18.756 one of them on one time Last Jose those, those were the handbrake yet 00:16:18.789 --> 00:16:25.047 hasn't handled those were there until 1961 and the city made them uh fair 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:28.256 amount. They said there's many reasons for the housing in there, but they 00:16:28.289 --> 00:16:33.937 wouldn't cross to the coast standard. Uh, there was a reason for farm 00:16:33.970 --> 00:16:40.376 labor places and caught fire and they all burned up. Uh, so it's just, you 00:16:40.409 --> 00:16:44.587 know, for the different things. But you shouldn't show something like this 00:16:44.620 --> 00:16:49.957 away. Any circumstances at all. Actually that's what when you know it or 00:16:49.990 --> 00:16:54.236 not you could sell that. But the railroads come out for a whole bunch of 00:16:54.269 --> 00:17:00.346 money. Uh You know there's an awful lot of people are. Yeah. 00:17:00.379 --> 00:17:07.776 Yeah. Well done. Well, you know, you know it's really people didn't know 00:17:07.809 --> 00:17:12.026 how well off they were really. You know when when you use the streetcars 00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:18.326 came everything that You know, they were dependable. And now you can't get 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:24.026 a bus for an hour and just live all in alternative. They had a look at 00:17:24.059 --> 00:17:31.236 what they work for for an hour. What did you start at 33 to start with? 00:17:31.269 --> 00:17:37.907 You started in 1924. And what they're saying when you kick I got dollars 00:17:37.940 --> 00:17:44.437 82 in the last eight years I drove a bus. Uh 00:17:44.470 --> 00:17:50.357 they start getting uh did uh when you first place to work, what what what 00:17:50.390 --> 00:17:54.236 do you think that? Well when I broke in on all the heart and separate. 00:17:54.269 --> 00:17:58.197 Yeah I was on Washington street on that when it was running back and forth 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:01.967 on Washington street. And uh you know and then I I think think for one or 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:09.637 two days and then the old man said cranky and fussy. Why inspector seems I 00:18:09.670 --> 00:18:13.187 wasn't doing so well. So I think he'd give me that mr equivalent or 00:18:13.220 --> 00:18:19.736 something like that. I think I went over old man binder. He was on I said 00:18:19.769 --> 00:18:22.836 call him old man because there was two other binders later on, two of the 00:18:22.869 --> 00:18:27.536 boys I'm a real live and die with the Bill Ryan one day with him and the 00:18:27.569 --> 00:18:31.187 old man, he just couldn't lose old man, binary says you know about it 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:35.276 until I go ahead and run and then he told me if I was gonna did something 00:18:35.309 --> 00:18:38.976 wrong or something like that. But man, he was he had me scared you know I 00:18:39.009 --> 00:18:42.476 was a farmer when they come here and he had me scared. I bought my first 00:18:42.509 --> 00:18:47.107 of all I can hear you have to see and had to come down here and I had a 00:18:47.140 --> 00:18:50.597 good job of some kind of anything because it was put down hard to get a 00:18:50.630 --> 00:18:54.917 job at that time. Then I went over each line after a hope in hell and over 00:18:54.950 --> 00:19:00.707 each lying our family used to work with couldn't maybe working shift on 00:19:00.740 --> 00:19:04.967 general interest in that. Just all of us because all of us have run down 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:12.236 my number most of the time. A little bit bloody car. No. Yeah, most 30 00:19:12.269 --> 00:19:16.347 months, 15 minutes hours cooking. In fact, we just came in the second 00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:21.066 avenue in Washington and change up the comedy. We got back on to get there 00:19:21.099 --> 00:19:25.996 now that line it's kind of hard to get the base to them. So they said we 00:19:26.029 --> 00:19:30.586 can't really find them. Nobody was paying much attention. But that line, 00:19:30.619 --> 00:19:37.437 the town was line is taking off for the Second World War in the late 1930 00:19:37.470 --> 00:19:43.207 the first time and then they put it back on. 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:51.240 So they were running busses and 20 was one and 1913 37 and 38 to go around. 00:19:51.740 --> 00:19:59.740 Remember anything about that. You know? That's not what I want to do. 00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:05.647 Well, the idea was that it used to be Later years and then they took it 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:13.680 all from within 47. It's the only one in this avenue. Yeah, yeah. We went 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.197 out, we went out there with a candle and then over the search for scoring 00:20:18.230 --> 00:20:25.647 50 candles and then over a certain street kind that someone. So this was 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:33.680 this was taken a candle. Uh Fifth Avenue now, but it used to before the 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:38.907 war and as originally laid out, that line was spread and work from there. 00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:42.976 No, I don't think of everything. I don't know what to do. So both of you 00:20:43.009 --> 00:20:47.986 let this smoking field. Well that was sober field from McDowell, that was 00:20:48.019 --> 00:20:54.226 a hayfield that we went out to a hayfield almost to encounter. And I think 00:20:54.259 --> 00:20:59.086 he was building on the south side of any kind of At that time. Just a few 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:05.127 houses. And then we jogged over to 3rd Street. Hey feels cold because I 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.976 used to get held up out through there once in a while and they'd always 00:21:09.009 --> 00:21:14.056 get the boys out there and that you can hold up to college. Yeah. They 00:21:14.089 --> 00:21:17.217 held up. I 00:21:17.250 --> 00:21:21.657 know they had me scared when I got there. I used to count out my changes 00:21:21.690 --> 00:21:25.086 have made a copy and thank you. Put it down behind the control or 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:29.026 something like that. So I figured if I did get held up by the company's 00:21:29.059 --> 00:21:34.286 money to get my mind, we're supposed to have, but I figured we were 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.786 supposed to have five hours and change all the time. So I have to go to 00:21:37.819 --> 00:21:40.816 the next morning because if I didn't, I wouldn't have had it because I 00:21:40.849 --> 00:21:46.107 didn't have any more. So that's why I always was tried to play safe from 00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:50.687 myself because after that we didn't take him very much to get a chance to 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:56.397 go out of town a lot of the time that went up in the Kanto and then turned 00:21:56.430 --> 00:22:02.607 the candle. Yeah surgeon, we used to have after 10 o'clock at night they 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:07.927 had a right over certain and candle on a big hole there And if that light 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.387 wasn't on, we did and didn't have no passion as we go out. We didn't have 00:22:11.420 --> 00:22:14.806 to go out there. We could just stop it down the road and change up the 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:20.427 circulation back into town between, but we kill more time down roads and 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:25.097 so we wouldn't be on the scheduled time and say because five minutes ago 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:28.496 there where we dry over five minutes down the road for what you do is you 00:22:28.529 --> 00:22:32.937 look up and down you know that was delighted and we crossed the down road 00:22:32.970 --> 00:22:38.117 and stopped just the into that medal he was over there, there was no right 00:22:38.150 --> 00:22:42.687 over there. One time I got my college all team just ready to get out of 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:48.467 town and the light came out well I changed up tries quick and I went over 00:22:48.500 --> 00:22:54.836 there fast food and I gotta have some man with one person so I picked him 00:22:54.869 --> 00:22:58.907 up in the room and I'm like addicted to the back in town special thanks 00:22:58.940 --> 00:23:03.167 because sometimes we get in there saying we're having a party by getting 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.367 that to this afternoon for the game. The scoop up standing down there 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:10.627 having a practice that you want to come out on the road go used to see and 00:23:10.660 --> 00:23:16.296 I have to hold them up a little bit of my life, we tried to get in there 00:23:16.329 --> 00:23:21.957 two minutes of avenue, something like that to go anytime another car might 00:23:21.990 --> 00:23:25.576 be in there that's the only thing any of anything could be in a great 00:23:25.609 --> 00:23:29.746 hurry about. Sometimes they would, it really was too much later. That kind 00:23:29.779 --> 00:23:35.296 of work they start out and we'd have to wait for Mr Monroe, check it out 00:23:35.329 --> 00:23:41.137 and then we run down there and change college last time we 00:23:41.170 --> 00:23:43.607 did. 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:48.457 So if I get that right and listen I've never heard that term before. Um 00:23:48.490 --> 00:23:53.697 Some people one of the course Mission in downtown lived on that line a 00:23:53.730 --> 00:23:58.976 long time to ride all the time. Each had an angel boy. We used to go out 00:23:59.009 --> 00:24:03.986 and walk along the line and it was kind of a private right away. You see 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:09.276 it and remember the defense or something. That's what I thought and then 00:24:09.309 --> 00:24:13.177 the trees along and you know, it wasn't the only thing we used to accuse 00:24:13.210 --> 00:24:17.907 them of what we used to have two watches to see that the owners out there 00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:21.347 didn't turn knocked the fence down, turn the cattle and the right away 00:24:21.380 --> 00:24:25.986 because if we get a cow or something horses and then they'd always with 00:24:26.019 --> 00:24:31.607 the city pay for the Sherman of that kind of chairman headed to the first 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:36.976 started. So we had to watch for that. And of course if we somehow I never 00:24:37.009 --> 00:24:41.847 did. But some of the boys had them off of close calls. I think one power 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:46.967 came to get killed this guy out there, but they found that we get around 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.516 the job, go out there and we're going to find out where the ski poles have 00:24:49.549 --> 00:24:54.236 been pulled out. So let the cow get over there could be lots of grass on 00:24:54.269 --> 00:24:56.756 the right away where there wouldn't be good grass and the methods they 00:24:56.789 --> 00:25:02.097 naturally cower or get over there. They could, I didn't happen very much, 00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:06.667 but they do that for us. They just what they have to hold the plane on 00:25:06.700 --> 00:25:08.937 wooden poles, 00:25:08.970 --> 00:25:14.806 they Dominique on each side, like over the wrong side of the street. They 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:19.806 didn't have anybody told that are you know, 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.927 we had them, 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.927 there have been some personal, we're just a few of the many very well 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:31.556 written up on meetings to a temple. 00:25:31.589 --> 00:25:39.589 She anything like that put me away. I won't even do anything. Yes, the, 00:25:42.019 --> 00:25:45.387 but anyway, that's a, I think this is, you know, I've never heard before. 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:49.197 He went up to Canada and then turn them over the third, that was sort of 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:57.230 the ground. And the third thing was somewhere uh somewhere have a map. 00:25:57.740 --> 00:26:04.697 Thank you man. Yeah, I wasn't sure that it was absolutely, 00:26:04.730 --> 00:26:09.286 we made the jog out in the field before we even got, we had two curves. 00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:14.326 You see, we had occurred before we got the candle and then recovered and 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:20.026 went straight on up maybe another block with him to a candle uh street 00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:25.036 where where we change your college and I went back the job, you might say 00:26:25.069 --> 00:26:29.157 out in the hayfield, made a circle here and over there and I want to get 00:26:29.190 --> 00:26:37.190 in Canada and then that's why the curve was. They were going home, yep. Um 00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:44.957 you know what, that's exactly the way that 00:26:44.990 --> 00:26:49.266 Let's go back to the way the Jet Party told me it was back in 1950s, you 00:26:49.299 --> 00:26:56.897 know what a compliment. See a map when I did this in college shows doing 00:26:56.930 --> 00:27:01.927 right up to right up here to enchant and then over the third avenue and 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.437 then these guys came out with this publication because they just had the 00:27:05.470 --> 00:27:11.107 ending of Fifth avenue, you know, they and then in the third set of hands. 00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:14.957 Yeah, that's kind of interesting. I wonder why they headed it over that 00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:19.647 way. Maybe I didn't mind. Well, I, if I remember right, there's quite a 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:25.207 settlement often third east of that. Maybe it was maybe always. That's 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.897 right. And I think they done that the accommodation was because there 00:27:29.930 --> 00:27:34.756 wasn't nothing less on a cost in Canada because he went on over the 7th 00:27:34.789 --> 00:27:39.316 street. Mhm. When you first went to work, what color did they have the 00:27:39.349 --> 00:27:42.407 card in it? 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:47.927 Well, I don't marketing kind of brown. She would like to be your kind of 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:52.647 brown and I never get their intention there. They might have been kind of 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:58.756 , well, they Things I've seen written say that they were in the early days 00:27:58.789 --> 00:28:04.937 and in the early 1920s and yellow and then they were orange. And the first 00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:12.970 family-related dreams I think the green cars is when we got them in 28. 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:20.877 Yeah, we got, We got 12 or 14. That's when I first got, because it had 00:28:20.910 --> 00:28:28.857 dates on the after them. It was open colors and come to and uh, there was 00:28:28.890 --> 00:28:33.717 nothing to shut the steps off. And I said, when did they, when did they go 00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:38.147 to one man out there? Well, when I got the new cars that were supposed to 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:44.407 go, so it looks like one, Did they ever run two men on those new parks? 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.707 Yes, I think she did a 00:28:48.740 --> 00:28:52.256 not very much so I don't believe it to anybody. Did you ever have any 00:28:52.289 --> 00:28:58.286 questions one day? No. You know, I never, they tore up the tracks and then 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.766 the only thing they tore them up I think stop them. I think they're in a 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:08.576 year after I started doing because I don't remember, I know why I used to 00:29:08.609 --> 00:29:13.377 go out with the desert, certain places right there. We've got that in the 00:29:13.410 --> 00:29:17.107 property and you've been keeping up with them again for six months later. 00:29:17.140 --> 00:29:25.140 But I think uh By 25 I think they must equip in 25. What do you say that 00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:32.826 ? I guess I couldn't swear to this. This is what he's hard to find. You 00:29:32.859 --> 00:29:37.877 know, everybody said, well, you know, some people are the people that give 00:29:37.910 --> 00:29:40.836 this writing and so much that it was wrong. I said, well when the city 00:29:40.869 --> 00:29:45.266 took it over while they continue to run when the alarm and then they get 00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:49.816 it back, but I never heard that before. No, I don't think I think that it 00:29:49.849 --> 00:29:54.226 was taken off earlier from that. Yeah, because it was just, I think, I 00:29:54.259 --> 00:29:59.546 don't remember how long suffering victims. Okay, let's go. That is still 00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:07.579 in the german investment. Got in 27. Yeah, I think in about 26 or seven mr 00:30:08.170 --> 00:30:12.467 50 cent, it's a little bit putting up new car. Oh yeah, you know, they run 00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:17.736 it with the old hand at college and I have to and then they did this in 00:30:17.769 --> 00:30:23.306 front of you can conduct a required mhm. 00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:28.947 Israel contracts. That's when we got more noise confirming country. Yeah, 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:33.506 they had steel upon steel about four or five times then that's what 00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:38.717 particular frames, steel wheels. I found the atmosphere of cars that have 00:30:38.750 --> 00:30:43.387 been wooden beams or they wouldn't have much of anything. Uh I guess 00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:47.707 there's some of the tax yet they would all the they were tearing up right 00:30:47.740 --> 00:30:51.776 out in front of the capitol building about 15 months ago. They were 00:30:51.809 --> 00:30:56.357 treated just like the y uh they're putting this kind of a park like from 00:30:56.390 --> 00:31:02.786 there. And some contractors did the job and without reference because tear 00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:06.647 up the streets without thinking or paying attention or finding out that 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:12.127 the solid facts into their and I know I talked to it was carl Rollins and 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.516 he was saying all the winter asked me, but I would have told him with a 00:31:15.549 --> 00:31:18.826 password that got lost a bunch of money because you got written out there 00:31:18.859 --> 00:31:26.859 , a very fine speed rail laid on welding a steel and concrete had no way 00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:33.197 they steal ties, steel type and then concentrate on top of the field. They 00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:39.056 reminisce about The size is about 4" wide, a little better like that. And 00:31:39.089 --> 00:31:42.697 then they had to put the metal underneath because what whether, you know, 00:31:42.730 --> 00:31:47.650 they sink down so they had to come and see them right in there with you. 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:50.240 Yeah, I understand and broke me, I broke him in and then, and then you've 00:31:55.490 --> 00:32:02.667 got to be another crosses. Uh, did uh as near as I have been able to 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:09.056 figure out. Uh these people at Rhodes said that the cars, they say the 00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.707 first yellow and then they were on just like all the city's putting it, 00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:18.276 you know? And then they went to green and they said they went to green 00:32:18.309 --> 00:32:22.746 after the Second World War and I know better than that because I remember 00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:27.526 in my mom and Gimli when I was a little kid being very struck with the 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.316 fact that they changed the color on the street side, whether this is my 00:32:31.349 --> 00:32:34.836 imagination and what, I don't know if that's stuck in my mind, but the one 00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:39.566 thing that I forgot to bring a change of color and uh Well, you know, I 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.887 just have 100 must have been in the 30s sometimes when then got all the 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.097 shabby or something like that. I think the new card is breeding. In fact, 00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:54.536 I know right now that's what we had real hand base up until the time we 00:32:54.569 --> 00:33:00.276 got there and I guess and in the background line I guess I was about to 00:33:00.309 --> 00:33:04.957 pass line, quick running women did you bend on the third round play? Oh 00:33:04.990 --> 00:33:08.647 yes. I worked all What number did they have a number for that? But you 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:13.506 know, certainly, you know, we might be signed up for a different number 00:33:13.539 --> 00:33:19.816 has had five on camera one night. We might get over there and they uh you 00:33:19.849 --> 00:33:24.326 know, they have the lions numbers like one in jail and capital what they 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:30.357 want to force women. So they did uh attempted. Uh There does lines have a 00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:34.236 number. What about all the time and caressed the candle was the spot. It 00:33:34.269 --> 00:33:42.269 was uh Bill's working capital with them to uh it'll work. No. Yes, they're 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:50.717 working three. I was watching. He wasn't considering millions two and four 00:33:50.750 --> 00:33:56.407 and I was just one of the suggested that the fairgrounds was five or the 00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:02.647 Mhm. Well that's down the pipe for shock. And how did they run that? They 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.976 run that line all the way downtown all down seventh street or did they 00:34:07.009 --> 00:34:11.157 just come down to where it met the capital one? No, no. Can. We came down 00:34:11.190 --> 00:34:14.796 to where we met the capital seven things walking the street. And then we 00:34:14.829 --> 00:34:20.526 went over on the double line, slipped and cut over the north side to the 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.747 south side and went down to fourth street to seventh street between six 00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:29.637 and seven, then another switch center. And then we went out there in which 00:34:29.670 --> 00:34:34.967 in the background the other home, we've got a one or two car operation 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:41.697 about to buy. I think it's two cars at the time we would leave. Yeah, I 00:34:41.730 --> 00:34:47.126 think it was for them. Somewhere out. Yeah, they had one cruise about out 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.626 there just north of Roosevelt 13 year olds about enforcing because I know 00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:55.486 that they can remember the tracks were showing in the branching out there 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.416 , but they were made in concrete north of north five points their way down 00:35:00.449 --> 00:35:06.206 to your wife's plant. But that was the one place that helps them when the 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.686 city so well because you know the fellow that brought the outfit, anything 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.546 that the city tore up, he was to get you supposed to get the tax and 00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:19.227 everything And that was four up, out and down. They found out about these 00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:23.756 , you're good cover them over with concrete and it was that they're not 00:35:23.789 --> 00:35:29.066 getting up. And then we had another switch of course I had to switch where 00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:33.557 we costume gala road and I need the bedrooms. That would be good to get 00:35:33.590 --> 00:35:38.477 the line and actually go into the yeah, we went across the road Rooms 00:35:38.510 --> 00:35:43.046 about four or 5 cars. So what we've got left, you know, they have the 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.206 circuses or something out there wanting to break up with about four or 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.447 five cars. Start in. If we could get the people they want to scoring out 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.827 of the bill line to get on a real car there. They wouldn't have faster 00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:58.236 down and down. They had to, we could switch in my older and they didn't 00:35:58.269 --> 00:36:02.606 like you have to get a transfer, 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.949 but they wouldn't.