WEBVTT 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:05.240 cultural way. 00:00:06.339 --> 00:00:14.339 Mhm Yeah and this is great evolutionary person. Well monster 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:29.006 lobby. Nice. Mhm 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.706 Right. 00:00:31.739 --> 00:00:34.506 But in this 00:00:34.539 --> 00:00:37.707 I am suggesting 00:00:37.740 --> 00:00:44.137 nature of all the reality removes from matter into spirit and in this 00:00:44.170 --> 00:00:50.696 process you have a personal genesis of biogenesis and former genesis and 00:00:50.729 --> 00:00:57.307 each one of them has its own characteristics. One thing does genesis is 00:00:57.340 --> 00:01:00.406 facing the water conservation. 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:06.507 The one of biogenesis has eluded all concerned about how 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:12.447 knowledgeable is the identity of nature to concentrate energy. Very dense 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:20.480 languages. Have you tell us in a bye lots of magic ordinary you see that 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:28.497 the law is not only more conservation or concentration its implementation 00:01:28.530 --> 00:01:36.530 because state which is the other he is multiplying itself. It's by feeling 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:45.887 yes I would say levels of the life becomes national spirit which is what I 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:52.376 suggested here. 00:01:52.409 --> 00:02:00.409 Do you have any questions you'd like to Yes, 00:02:03.739 --> 00:02:07.607 never follow me this way. 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:12.307 Maybe not since 00:02:12.340 --> 00:02:15.707 sterile 00:02:15.740 --> 00:02:20.106 boy. What? 00:02:20.139 --> 00:02:25.906 Well the more the more we moved from 00:02:25.939 --> 00:02:30.927 so this that's a level of reality into this level of reality that more 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:38.436 decisions are conscious. So the response this universe because different 00:02:38.469 --> 00:02:43.846 focus listen which is also different conditions. Yeah, vision of the 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:51.406 server response no matter mm. Total that and what you might call and get 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:59.439 totally your response. The total will Right. 00:03:07.740 --> 00:03:15.740 Oh okay. 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:24.840 So in order to understand this idea of all or any or all your life without 00:03:31.139 --> 00:03:39.139 the scene visions of the end the human and social scene or 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:45.506 Yeah. Place 00:03:45.539 --> 00:03:49.606 what? Mhm mhm 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:52.406 It isn't an 00:03:52.439 --> 00:04:00.439 explosive minute this. Yeah. 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:09.307 Mhm life also the most 00:04:09.340 --> 00:04:11.707 That's it. 00:04:11.740 --> 00:04:17.406 Oh sure. 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.806 With this fine. 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:26.536 The reasons why I believe that close to send. Mhm. You know what you're 00:04:26.569 --> 00:04:34.077 dealing with leading plus, which we are Okay. I will say yes. You're not 00:04:34.110 --> 00:04:40.806 the only way of an explosive prosecute any religion process 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:46.736 because of the sea sir. For the most difficult kind of open inclusive 00:04:46.769 --> 00:04:54.769 process. It's a guy this can yeah, weigh the same. Should not mm hmm. 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:03.439 Hasn't been many of them 00:05:03.740 --> 00:05:11.740 organization. 00:05:14.939 --> 00:05:18.207 Okay. 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:24.007 Right. Mhm. Mhm. 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:32.040 Right. Process 00:05:39.139 --> 00:05:45.707 exchange fine. 00:05:45.740 --> 00:05:53.207 Okay. Are 00:05:53.240 --> 00:06:01.240 Yeah. Yes. 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.906 Mhm 00:06:19.939 --> 00:06:27.939 conception. 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.007 Mhm. 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:37.606 All right. 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.806 Well, they came together. 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:48.839 Well, All right. Yeah. 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:57.606 You're strong destruction. 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:03.306 Yeah, 00:07:03.339 --> 00:07:09.507 structures 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:16.707 one I'm playing at most Yes. 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:24.740 Models. He is that what we better to be supported. Five which means being 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:32.517 the landscape of Just a two dimensional. Mhm. Action more to imagine 00:07:32.550 --> 00:07:40.550 because not because action sorry guys. Yes. 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.806 What? All right. 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:50.937 What I'm suggesting is that we should be able to living for the very, very 00:07:50.970 --> 00:07:53.406 for this around 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.507 thanks. Yeah. 00:07:56.540 --> 00:08:04.540 Which means that we were we have and always 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:15.439 our civilization and so be very sweet. Yeah. Reached and use bye. 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:21.207 Doesn't tell me. Yeah. This 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.707 late night. Mhm. 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:30.406 A piece of art. 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:37.707 Mhm. By all the landscape into which 00:08:37.740 --> 00:08:44.907 so Okay. His soul. Mhm. ST 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:52.940 into which. 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.606 Mhm Yeah. 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:01.807 Yeah. Mhm. Family in the scene. 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:09.006 Mhm. I'm sure. Mhm. A long time. 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:17.039 Mhm. Yes. The lunch. Yes. 00:09:17.539 --> 00:09:23.707 Yes. 00:09:23.740 --> 00:09:28.407 Four. 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.907 Mhm. 00:09:31.940 --> 00:09:34.807 Your chance 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:40.707 show. Mhm. 00:09:40.740 --> 00:09:45.407 Like going for them 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.907 parties. What kind? 00:09:48.940 --> 00:09:56.940 Yeah, supposed. Yeah. 00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:03.707 Person 00:10:03.740 --> 00:10:11.506 we should. Oh all right good hey. 00:10:11.539 --> 00:10:14.506 Yeah. 00:10:14.539 --> 00:10:19.407 Yeah. Yeah. 50. 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.707 What? 00:10:21.740 --> 00:10:29.740 Yeah. Mhm 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:38.207 larger rooms please. 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:46.240 Right. Call us. Yeah. 00:10:53.639 --> 00:11:00.506 Yes. 00:11:00.539 --> 00:11:05.606 Mhm. 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.106 Yeah. 00:11:08.139 --> 00:11:16.139 Ah Change 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:25.537 when we when we talk of change at least day and age which seems to be 00:11:25.570 --> 00:11:27.907 concentrating 00:11:27.940 --> 00:11:35.307 on what physically happens around us. And very often when that happens 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:42.317 what is a small connectivity is physical development has very little to do 00:11:42.350 --> 00:11:47.986 with with the growth of the individual has very much to do with what I 00:11:48.019 --> 00:11:52.106 call process which is just a transformation of matter into something else 00:11:52.139 --> 00:11:56.187 into something in another kind of organized matter. But it's not really 00:11:56.220 --> 00:12:04.220 going to in gross the spirit which is what I mean by by gossip 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:13.039 if we if we want to somehow grow instead of just change, we had to check 00:12:15.340 --> 00:12:18.307 into our 00:12:18.340 --> 00:12:24.366 society are the physical environment and we under and see how much what we 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:29.907 do is for the sake of change and how much is for the sake of the crossman. 00:12:29.940 --> 00:12:34.587 And I think most of the things that we do now is for the sake change not 00:12:34.620 --> 00:12:38.886 for the sake of England. And one has to do with the inner gross minister 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:45.726 with the inner man. The Minister with Alterman. And by more and more 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:51.807 sacrificing the inner or the outer. We are not being quite 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:59.840 materialistic oriented as well, quite superficial entered and as a 00:13:01.870 --> 00:13:08.967 consequence we are dealing with the problem of waste of pollution. Two The 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:17.000 two most fashion mainly with the destruction the inner life. 00:13:20.539 --> 00:13:28.539 Okay. So Mhm. 00:13:30.740 --> 00:13:33.207 All right. 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:40.596 But changes changes much to do with physical alteration. So, you can say 00:13:40.629 --> 00:13:48.629 that when you when you mind some material. Okay. Yeah. 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:55.606 You are policing and change and Grossman 00:13:55.639 --> 00:14:01.606 quantum change somehow from metal into spirit. You can say it's still easy 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:09.639 transitional matters is still a special. That's it. Say that again. 00:14:11.539 --> 00:14:13.606 Oh, 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.866 oh, 00:14:15.899 --> 00:14:20.006 spiritual touch 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:25.776 steel. It's such a such a testimony change that you're still dealing with 00:14:25.809 --> 00:14:29.307 pretty much 00:14:29.340 --> 00:14:36.407 determination and statistical kind 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:44.440 reality. So in order to so it is deterministic 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:52.440 sector into a less willful self. You must try to work out not just change 00:14:54.940 --> 00:15:02.940 call of course, 00:15:10.940 --> 00:15:17.707 I mean 00:15:17.740 --> 00:15:25.740 alert. 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:31.307 You know, these. 00:15:31.340 --> 00:15:39.340 Okay, they used 00:15:41.940 --> 00:15:45.006 you 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:49.506 besides you. Yes. 00:15:49.539 --> 00:15:54.307 Maybe it's not like 00:15:54.340 --> 00:15:58.506 Mhm. 00:15:58.539 --> 00:16:05.707 Is your arm? Hi. 00:16:05.740 --> 00:16:12.307 Well, I'm not advocating a community at all. Very I consider my privacy 00:16:12.340 --> 00:16:17.407 very important. So, I consider your privacy at the same time is that there 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:22.827 is a public life which is which really makes civilization without public 00:16:22.860 --> 00:16:29.427 life. You know, because we are as we are cooperative animals. We are by 00:16:29.460 --> 00:16:35.266 definition public. Yes. So, we need we need to be able from the pilot into 00:16:35.299 --> 00:16:41.577 the public and vice versa. And both of those has to be to be rich and 00:16:41.610 --> 00:16:47.516 groceries. So that's what we need is a certain physical structure that can 00:16:47.549 --> 00:16:54.146 allow this what we're doing now. We love defining such as should take some 00:16:54.179 --> 00:17:02.026 good food. Typical kind of say environment where the public. Mhm. Just 00:17:02.059 --> 00:17:04.506 about zero. 00:17:04.539 --> 00:17:12.539 So the need for the introduction in the contest enforcement and 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:23.197 man's structural system which are quite okay. And this is very at the end. 00:17:23.230 --> 00:17:29.546 It's a very question. You don't have to go into metaphysics, understand 00:17:29.579 --> 00:17:36.397 that. Yes, you must have to the eastern forms seeking if you don't have. 00:17:36.430 --> 00:17:38.707 Okay, 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:44.927 the bottle called music. If you don't have a pipeline paint mistake, you 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:51.937 don't have. Right? So you always need a certain system. I'm sorry. And the 00:17:51.970 --> 00:17:56.806 instruments that we have now society is so 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:04.839 this is so unfit the society itself is. Mhm. Momentum 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:10.707 the heart you. Mhm. 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:15.407 Yeah. Was how 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.607 I mean, 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.207 Yes. So 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.276 mary at the end, the difference will be I'm not saying because I think 00:18:25.309 --> 00:18:29.506 that we will succeed. But the main difference would be the anchored ah 00:18:29.539 --> 00:18:36.657 okay. Matter yet whisper. I'm not saying that it would be succeeding, but 00:18:36.690 --> 00:18:42.506 that would be different if it was succeeded 00:18:42.539 --> 00:18:46.627 because I really believe that the most subtle but the most powerful 00:18:46.660 --> 00:18:54.660 process that is going eyes, his love to make life to survive matter into 00:18:55.470 --> 00:19:03.470 spirit. 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:20.907 Mm hmm. Mhm. 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:28.940 Yes. 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:35.806 Yeah. 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:43.407 Right. 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:49.506 Mhm. I think that the answer will be in adding up the cost of friends 00:19:49.539 --> 00:19:54.056 phoenix and then compare discussed with phoenix, which would be let's say 00:19:54.089 --> 00:20:00.447 containing one cubic miles just to to say it quickly and then we might 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:05.586 find out that it's the opposite. It's not that phoenix the phoenix of 00:20:05.619 --> 00:20:10.217 today, allows that much change. I think the finish of today is a gigantic 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:15.746 structure, but at the same time it's a very rigid structure and it's very 00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:20.377 rigid mainly because it's so expensive that it paralyzes life. So I think 00:20:20.410 --> 00:20:26.806 we can come up with the phoenix which has which is much more, 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:32.357 can be more swiftly rearranged and it can be much cheaper in its own 00:20:32.390 --> 00:20:39.006 physical cost. The other aspect is that the phoenix of today is very much 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:43.326 of a segregated kind of environment. And one reason is just a very 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:50.207 physical question of matter and energy being organized and transported and 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:56.746 tied together and interconnected and so on. If we forget that we are, we 00:20:56.779 --> 00:21:02.506 are coming from matter, and we depend very much on physical 00:21:02.539 --> 00:21:06.917 demands. We are putting ourselves in thinking that we can do things that 00:21:06.950 --> 00:21:13.707 we cannot do and matter, and energy are very fundamental to whatever we do 00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:19.326 biologically socially, culturally and so on. And evidently phoenix is one 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:25.836 of the last one of the ways that nature would never choose to subside and 00:21:25.869 --> 00:21:33.296 to develop and to somehow become better. If nature had a choice, you will 00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:39.707 not be phoenix, it would be a solid phoenix 00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:44.417 and that doesn't mean that this is a simple thing of piling up phoenix, it 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:48.447 becomes more complex because the results would have to be more lively in 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:53.917 order to be positive, But it's quite evident that the Phoenix of 200 or 00:21:53.950 --> 00:21:58.967 300 square miles is not going to be functioning. It's not going to give 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:05.897 the answer that we as a phoenix wells, after I to ask from this machine, 00:22:05.930 --> 00:22:13.707 we call phoenix. So the slogan ish and the party and dreadful nous of 00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:21.437 phoenix is in part caused by the gigantic structure. This tends to try to 00:22:21.470 --> 00:22:24.996 sustain phoenix and doesn't succeed. 00:22:25.029 --> 00:22:29.576 You have to think of what phoenix is not just in terms of housing offices 00:22:29.609 --> 00:22:35.816 and production center markets and so on, but the asphalt concrete, the 00:22:35.849 --> 00:22:43.177 underground networks and so on. But basically this fact that the 00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:47.796 communication channels are interrupted and the transportation channels are 00:22:47.829 --> 00:22:51.607 becoming worse and worse. 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:58.506 Yes. 00:22:58.539 --> 00:23:04.107 What 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:07.306 you, 00:23:07.339 --> 00:23:12.556 well, you're doing more than with more than physical space is now, you're 00:23:12.589 --> 00:23:17.486 dealing with social problems, political problems, and moral problems. My 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:23.056 suggestion is that through a certain structural system, you can suggest 00:23:23.089 --> 00:23:29.276 better ways of going about social, political and economic problems. But 00:23:29.309 --> 00:23:35.117 there is a those that I was suggesting here, we're not sufficient reason 00:23:35.150 --> 00:23:38.806 or sufficient condition when they were necessary conditions. I think that 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.586 is necessary if we want to have a better society to have a better 00:23:41.619 --> 00:23:46.927 container for society definitely because also because it tends to 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:53.026 desegregated society physically Instrumentally functional. But the 00:23:53.059 --> 00:23:59.316 decision of not being segregated is finally and moral decision, an ethical 00:23:59.349 --> 00:24:03.746 decision in other physical decision, but the physical can do can go quite 00:24:03.779 --> 00:24:09.607 far into desegregating the non physical. 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:17.640 Yes. 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:44.707 Huh. Well it would depend you know, somehow 00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:49.107 in the definition of freedom, I tend to define what we call freedom now 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:55.016 license in a sense that I do my own business and never mind your business. 00:24:55.049 --> 00:25:00.586 That's none of your business. Well this is hardly you know, it's not 00:25:00.619 --> 00:25:07.857 really freedom. It's the indifference of one center of life toward the 00:25:07.890 --> 00:25:13.526 north central like that supposedly is with him or with her or with it on 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.707 the same 00:25:15.740 --> 00:25:21.536 spaceship as fuller because it and this indifference is not very realistic 00:25:21.569 --> 00:25:28.836 evidently. So I'm not suggesting that we should take communism or 00:25:28.869 --> 00:25:35.347 socialism that you know as a total doctrine and go on from there, it's 00:25:35.380 --> 00:25:40.217 quite evident and the free enterprise needs revision in a very drastic way 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:44.107 because it's not working. 00:25:44.140 --> 00:25:50.006 Free enterprise has to be freed from many things including greed. Mhm. 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.907 Self centeredness 00:25:54.940 --> 00:25:58.506 feel 00:25:58.539 --> 00:26:02.726 who knows what? So we're free enterprise is not free for the moment his 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:10.759 slave or many of the less enticing aspect of the soul man I guess. 00:26:13.339 --> 00:26:21.339 Yes 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:30.107 there right 00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:33.006 mm they wouldn't need 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:39.907 well there is an aspect of pride for what you belong to which is evidently 00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:45.246 has a very thing. There's a very clean separation between the positive 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:53.279 aspect of being having a pride for what you belong to and an ancient again 00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:58.746 antagonism with other institutions with other groups that they don't 00:26:58.779 --> 00:27:03.117 belong to your group but at the same time, I think it's very important to 00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:09.207 believe in what you are and what you do and what you belong to. Otherwise 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:14.887 we're value where the values of life, if everything is gray and to be 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:19.417 there, to be here, to be elsewhere is the same thing. So I think that a 00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:22.986 town that believes in what stands for, I think it's very important. It's 00:27:23.019 --> 00:27:28.086 also a dangerous thing if this town becomes a to ingrain into its own 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:32.736 pride and it starts to fight the next town because it believes that it's 00:27:32.769 --> 00:27:37.766 better. But to be able to identify with the community and to be able to 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.897 identify the community with assumption with physical and I didn't see it 00:27:41.930 --> 00:27:44.607 in post 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:52.640 Yes, 00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:27.266 yes, if I don't think we can start by destroying what we have because 00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:31.687 that's the only thing we have and we should try to keep it up and improve 00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:35.256 it if we can, at the same time, we were starting to realize that what we 00:28:35.289 --> 00:28:40.207 have is not good enough for the future. We cannot really see phoenix as 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.907 the great 00:28:42.940 --> 00:28:47.187 at the end of the line as far as the position goes. So I think we should 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:51.157 do both try to maintain what we have and to improve it as much as we can 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:55.897 at the same time, we should try to come up with new things which are 00:28:55.930 --> 00:29:00.937 probably going to be better. So it would be a question of two, Two ways of 00:29:00.970 --> 00:29:06.597 approaching the environment for society. One is to develop, keep going 00:29:06.630 --> 00:29:10.226 with what we have a narrow needs to develop new ideas and the best one 00:29:10.259 --> 00:29:14.167 would succeed. So as you were saying, suppose that you build an oncology, 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.917 it works better well then people will start to demand environments of that 00:29:18.950 --> 00:29:24.786 kind. So you would have a slow evolution from one system to a radio system. 00:29:24.819 --> 00:29:29.097 So it would be an evolutionary process will not be a revolution or a 00:29:29.130 --> 00:29:34.236 bloody revolution would just be that instead of having developments as we 00:29:34.269 --> 00:29:39.907 have to know, we would have developments which would be quite different. 00:29:39.940 --> 00:29:47.940 Yes, 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.306 I didn't. 00:29:56.339 --> 00:30:00.226 Now, I think there should be limited to the, to the, to the size of any 00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:06.576 community. Anyhow, this limit can be part of the building ability to 00:30:06.609 --> 00:30:12.306 develop to up to a point and then the ability to create a new a new baby 00:30:12.339 --> 00:30:18.056 so that you, if a community fills up a certain structural system, then it 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:23.667 can moving part of the population into a new community, share linear 00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:30.147 linear developments, then you can somehow go on into into two dimensions 00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:35.586 as far as developing geographically and then plug in, You're three 00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:39.526 dimensional structures, which would be new cities, let's say your new 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.207 communities. 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:48.857 But I don't think we can say that a community can develop from 10,000, and 00:30:48.890 --> 00:30:54.586 200,000 and then millions and billions. I don't think that's uh, that's 00:30:54.619 --> 00:31:01.407 going to be good for us or for the earth for anything 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:07.246 size doesn't have to do very much with intensity of quality comes the 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:13.397 moment when the size is against those things. And as we know, there are 00:31:13.430 --> 00:31:21.430 very different sizes for biological systems just because of this. 00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:33.226 Well many of those structures are, as I was saying a little far out but 00:31:33.259 --> 00:31:36.806 many of them are feasible right now. 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:41.316 And then the the other side of the man of the mental is that we should be 00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:45.506 asking technology demanding from technology, what we need and not be told 00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:52.086 by technology, what we technology things is is able to deliver for 00:31:52.119 --> 00:32:00.119 purposes which are very often not very you made. 00:32:04.940 --> 00:32:10.006 Mhm. Ah There are, 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:14.726 it's quite evident that if you if you are able to do more with less, there 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.447 might be a tendency of saying well the earth has this much so we can if we 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:24.147 can do more with what the earth connect can afford, we're going to 00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:29.306 increase the population but I don't think that's how things work really. 00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:35.707 Mhm. Yeah, population increase don't depend so much on what's available. 00:32:35.740 --> 00:32:38.907 But other 00:32:38.940 --> 00:32:44.187 presence, so much so that most of the population explosions are happening 00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:49.506 where the means of lively quite limited. 00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:55.157 But having a Probably five or six billions of people to serve in the next 00:32:55.190 --> 00:33:00.877 decades, 20 years or so. We better find ways of serving them better and 00:33:00.910 --> 00:33:08.910 the way we are using now are certainly the most west. 00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:16.006 Yeah, 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:22.306 no there are there are you know, buildings, sizable buildings 00:33:22.339 --> 00:33:30.339 that have been constructed and we're standing some of those things. But I 00:33:31.009 --> 00:33:36.717 would not suggest a very large ecology in a very cystic, very dangerous 00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:42.586 seismic. But at the same time we build now large structure, especially in 00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:47.506 steel that we're standing, 00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:51.806 that kind of natural phenomena. 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:59.839 Yes, 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:27.840 killed. 00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:44.907 Mhm. 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:50.486 Well, I make a distinction between what I call environmental information 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:56.126 and I call electronic information and one environmental information I 00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:03.006 think has been with us for unions and has been really defining us more 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.117 biologically biologically physiologically and also mentally. The 00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:10.876 electronic information has been with us a very short time and evidently is 00:35:10.909 --> 00:35:15.367 very powerful and very important and very useful. But it should not take 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.717 the place of the environmental information. We need both of them at this 00:35:18.750 --> 00:35:23.447 point. But definitely what we need desperately not to be here somehow. 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:27.566 Same mentally is the environmental information because the information 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.916 that comes through all our senses, including our skins and it's the one 00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:40.907 that somehow makes us into all around wholesome creatures. 00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:44.787 Because if we if we take the two kinds of information to extremes, we can 00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:48.747 see that the environmental information has made us up to let's say to the 00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:53.747 inception of civilization, if we take the training information purely 00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:59.456 assad, we can imagine of a creature being born put into into a white box, 00:35:59.489 --> 00:36:05.796 plugged in with all the plug ins that we want to and then made into a 00:36:05.829 --> 00:36:10.997 something that I tend to call a savage mind and the savage mind is because 00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:16.367 this creature would have would know everything theoretically. It would be 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.066 a beastly kind of creature because we know anything environmentally. So 00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:25.606 the meaning of anything would be very very strange for this creature. So 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.307 if we insist as McLuhan somehow seems to be insisting that the electronic 00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:33.986 information is the answer, I think we're going to define a very savage 00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:38.847 kind of humanity. So what we have to do is to balance this information 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.526 which is becoming more and more elaborate and more and more intensified 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:49.227 but also more segregated. It were too small. Re integrate this information 00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:55.517 into the environment which means integrate it with this kind of condition 00:36:55.550 --> 00:37:01.287 whereby each individual is really fed information not through his own eyes 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.046 or his own here's only but all the senses including the sense of touch 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.296 including the the awareness of what danger in 00:37:13.329 --> 00:37:18.796 pleasure and so on and on. He is connected with our physical being 00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:22.896 biologically speaking, not just mentally speaking. 00:37:22.929 --> 00:37:27.836 So I think that unless environment becomes a very rich experience in its 00:37:27.869 --> 00:37:35.816 own right we will tend to make very abstract human beings and we know what 00:37:35.849 --> 00:37:40.677 the abstract mike can do. Vietnam is a typical example of the absolute 00:37:40.710 --> 00:37:47.206 mind working out solutions of paper mm coming up with what you know we 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.396 came up with and 00:37:52.429 --> 00:38:00.429 yes. 00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:10.686 Yeah 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:18.719 I 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.186 mhm 00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:37.787 stop 00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:45.820 all the 00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:51.617 I don't think so. Not necessarily. So definitely. And the reason is that 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:56.177 I'm not suggesting that we should build thousands of little homes. You 00:38:56.210 --> 00:39:00.657 know, plugged in here and there but really produce a three dimensional 00:39:00.690 --> 00:39:06.137 topography where you can build your own environment at the same time. This 00:39:06.170 --> 00:39:09.867 topography because it's wrapped around the institutions of society. It 00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:14.907 would plug you directly into those institutions so that when you want to 00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:17.686 participate, you are able to participate. When you don't want to 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.046 participate. You close that door and you open your door on your side. 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.887 Which is let's say the open landscape. 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.686 You're 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.686 Yeah, I would I would call them more skeletal 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:40.719 landscapes where you can build your own home, cite your own private 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:47.816 landscape. Okay, At the same time, we can't see the natural man of today 00:39:47.849 --> 00:39:53.747 is not the natural man of 5000 years ago. What's natural? It was it was 00:39:53.780 --> 00:40:00.316 natural then. And we cannot really assume or presume that restaurant 00:40:00.349 --> 00:40:05.077 Colombia are going to be the answers. That's a very melancholy kind of 00:40:05.110 --> 00:40:10.066 perspective, I think. And the reason is really the basic reason which is 00:40:10.099 --> 00:40:18.099 that in order to come up with events which are making life more lively 00:40:18.710 --> 00:40:23.077 automatically, we're going to come up with events which are more complex. 00:40:23.110 --> 00:40:29.537 He's not working. You're aware on that's the way it goes because a fish 00:40:29.570 --> 00:40:33.816 is more complex than protozoa. And as a cat is more complex than a fish. 00:40:33.849 --> 00:40:38.157 And we are more complex than the cat and society is more complex than 00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:41.847 individual. Inasmuch as this is the sum of many individuals. So that this 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:49.880 complex ification is part of the evolution of life. 00:40:52.409 --> 00:40:58.486 Yes. When when something is really it's really complex, let's say 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:04.847 beautifully complex. It performs simply. But this simplicity is not the 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:10.146 over simplification of technology is something quite different because as 00:41:10.179 --> 00:41:13.597 the complicated is different from the complex. Technology tends to be 00:41:13.630 --> 00:41:18.577 complicated. Life tends to be complex and there is a big difference. The 00:41:18.610 --> 00:41:26.610 difference again between process and growth. 00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:35.407 I would tend to say, yes, what what we are doing now. I think in this 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:41.217 country is really the withdrawal of society from itself. And withdrawal 00:41:41.250 --> 00:41:47.077 comes about by using the complete the complicated machinery and technology. 00:41:47.110 --> 00:41:51.717 So, because we failed in our complexity, let's say what we're doing. 00:41:51.750 --> 00:41:55.566 We're trying to over simplify our problems by asking technology to solve 00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:01.876 them what technology do does he is go about this problem through 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:09.557 processing? Through change. What we have to ask is too good to regain the 00:42:09.590 --> 00:42:16.767 simplicity of complexity. Through growth and development. 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.467 Yeah. 00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:27.500 Okay, I have some some information here. If anyone wants. Thank you. Last 00:42:27.510 --> 00:42:34.467 question. 00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:42.500 Mhm. 00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:52.646 Yeah. Well, the models somehow trying to suggest the final structure, as 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.026 you were saying, if there is a final structure, but evidently there will 00:42:56.059 --> 00:43:01.307 be phases. So, up to the point of the representation of the model of the 00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:09.340 community and the structure would develop. 00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:20.699 Yeah, 00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:28.247 well, I'm not I'm not speaking of a simple, you know, solution of a 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:32.887 problem with what I'm suggesting is that you can increment, you can come 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:38.816 up with implementations of all the elements that are making from going 00:43:38.849 --> 00:43:42.977 from a small community, they say to a larger one that's part of planning, 00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:46.577 because if we really do not accept the idea that planning is possible than 00:43:46.610 --> 00:43:51.427 very few things are possible. Planning is part it's part and parcel of 00:43:51.460 --> 00:43:55.606 life. I'm planning what I'm going through this afternoon and tomorrow, so 00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:01.276 planning is really the texture of life itself, especially when when life 00:44:01.309 --> 00:44:06.546 becomes conscious and subconscious like it is for us. So if we accept the 00:44:06.579 --> 00:44:11.787 idea of planning, which I don't think we can reject, then we must we'll 00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:15.666 try to play better and what we are planning now. 00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:20.066 Mhm. It's 00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:25.166 Yeah, 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:33.070 yeah. Mhm, mm. Thank you.