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of course one has to point out that bells are in fact simply upside down

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pots and one of the books that Carlo
read a long time ago and is still on

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his bookshelf. These mumford, the city
of history and in the opening

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paragraphs, he talks about the city as
a container. The city is a pot. Of

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course, Paulo. Cities are containers.
They are pots. There is of course

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also the great importance of Kazan T
uh is not just a workshop of building

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techniques but as a place where ideas
have bore fruit, handcraft processes.

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The casual, intimate personal kind of
experience on these five acres

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perhaps anticipate the richness of
intimate and personal experience that

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would ultimately experience in these
almost megalomaniac structures of

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giant our colleges. Tallow put
together some ideas that he'd had earlier

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and put together a sketch book called
the cosmic potentials. We're being

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in the Sunni country and being very

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having a propensity for the elder
maybe think that the sun should be used

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even more than what I was using it and
natural anything of the sun and

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automatically think of the wind and
the water and tides in the morning.

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Yeah, it's available. So I began to
try to think what would happen if you

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could Come out with structures shaped
in such a way as to be able to

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capture those energies. One of these
sketches, 1950, it's a a building

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that shaped something like a catcher's
mitt which would face the sun

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balconies, then would catch the sun's
energy and transform it into

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something usable. This one was used.
The potential of wind and would

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collect the wind on the surface is
another design consisted of a huge,

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slowly rotating metal rod heated on
one side by the sun and cooled on the

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other side by a stream of cold water.
The expansion contraction of the rod

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would be translated into useful
energy. After two years of being in that

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and being through one of the symposium
on solar energy in phoenix, I

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decided that the time wasn't right or
I was after something that for the

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moment will not be successful in you.
So my interest slackened and at that

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moment I began to be installed in the
new urban problem, but the structure

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were somehow more than the bridges
were the beginning of the psychology

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concept. In the meantime, paolo was
involved in the design and

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construction of a theater for the
indian school in santa fe new Mexico. He

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quit the project before its
completion, Jeffrey Cook describes the design

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of the theater paolo had in mind
several images including the path of the

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sun of the moon. He provided ramps and
balconies and stairs and upper

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levels of sort of greek chorus like
general architectural scheme to

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encourage the liveliest application of
imagination to a program which

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didn't really exist. I mean indian
drama or theater does not occur in

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built structures. I think the
liveliest and most important idea in the

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santa fe theater was this ramp, which
stuck off the one side of the

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theater and ramp down to the stage
level. And the idea was that you could

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run horses or cattle and buffalo down
this ramp across uh and around the

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stage so that the action, which is
such an important part of indian

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ceremonial tradition could become a
part of the dynamic experience in this

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theater. The most important work of
Palo during the early and mid sixties

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uh was his work on a theoretical
project called Mason City for between one

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and two million people, which would be
built on the top of the mesa in the

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southwest of the United States. The
mesa would be something like 10 km

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wide and 35 km long. One of the
elementary things is that paolo designed

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the site, so therefore the site fits
the plan very well. Someone suggested

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when they that I should design a city
I think was a, it was an art dealer

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and the day after I started designing
the city, what prompted him to make

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that suggestion saying my design my
work, How did that was consequently

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smell working around the idea of a
community or city or, but they were

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scattered sketches and ideas and at
that point I guess I was ready for

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concentrate in something more
definite. So after doing some sketching, I

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applied for the grant, I got it. The
plan in general is a kind of dumbbell

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shape, lopsided dumb bell uh in which
the uh two nodes, one consists of

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university in this end and the other
end, uh consists of a world center of

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religions, This drawing of an artist
village. The drawing is over 100 ft

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long on butcher paper and if you look
carefully you can see the little

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fingers here holding the thing up.
This drawing was done and it was never

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ever seen all at once until this day
that we held about Charles eames was

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here taking pictures and we took turns
holding the thing up and then

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running around and see what this thing
looked like. Some of the buildings

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start to develop into quite large
forms. These are really villages Which

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are about 300 stories high, which
means that within themselves, they are a

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kind of microcosm when you get a
building, which is that high, even the

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natural climate at the bottom, it was
very different from the natural

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climate at the top. But then if you
consider the fact that the building

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has an open courtyard in the center,
you begin to realize that you're

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developing a pretty heavy interior or
semi controlled micro climate so

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that these buildings certainly
approached archaeological possibilities in

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their size and in the possibility that
the various parts of them would be

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designed comprehensively in an
integrated way. The one criticism of Mesa

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City, which has been published one
paragraph In Chris Alexander's Pivotal

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Essay of 1965 on Modern City Planning
Theory, which is called a city is

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not a tree. And in that paragraph, he
is critical of the mason city plan

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because he says it's just flat
planning like every other 20th Century City

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Plant. He says that in spite of its
organic appearances, it's enrich

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appearances, it is very two
dimensional. Nevertheless, mason city was very

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important in paolo's self growth. It
gave the opportunity of assembling on

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an ideal basis. The many components
which we usually consider are

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necessary parts of the city. And it
also gave him sites for a whole bunch

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of theoretical buildings in which he
could explore in depth many of the

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architectural ideas which he was
interested in at that time, not to be a

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flat tell eventual city basically
based on, on the logistics of the

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automobile with somebody peculiar
maybe exciting concept mixed in it

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Consider it became very common 15, 20
years later, but one was the

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transformation of over scar into a
garden. I love gravel pit or the a

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quarry into a garden into park. The
woman was, mm hmm. The recycling

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through a systematic built trouble to
systematically he would have

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utilities and devices for recycling
materials and, you know, refurbishing

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hardware and so on. That was the
beginning of the integrated systems where

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you don't have only work or living or
production or marketing or this or

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that, but you have all those things.
One of the other things was that

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there were two centers in the city of
one was a cultural center. Learning

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center was a theological center. So
those were probably key elements for

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the future developments in a way. Then
Mesa city was an archaeology was a

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torn apart ecology. So how did it come
together?

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Uh huh. Mhm Slowly and with a
realization and I wasn't as yet dealing with

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the core of the problem which is a far
better logistics like a second

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grand to finish the the material
Mississippi. Yeah, when I got the second

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grand somehow I got into it more
intensely and at that point I switched

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promise city to our culture. Some of
the ideas which were part of the city

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were already partial colleges as far
conceptually because I had a

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Princeton villages which were one
building and in those villages that were

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many, many of the things that would be
needed by the community immediate

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needs from the clinic to the market,
to the school, to the church and so

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on. Anyone all incorporated in this
building, which was a village about

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between two and 4000 people depending
where they were. So those were

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already small, partial college and
that there were other structure like

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the learning center, which was
definitely a three dimensional. Well what

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happened between there and the
publication of city in the image of man

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about the work of so redefining the
criteria to of how to go about

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designing a city and then trying to
illustrate those criterias. So you

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decide that this is going to be one
building and then here to go on from

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there. Try to illustrate this concept.
The book, Our Ecology City in the

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Image of Man was published in 1969 by
MIT Press. The first part explained

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the theory of our ecology, assuming
that there are no problems of crime

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discrimination, unemployment, et
cetera. In our society. Salary explains

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that it is still imperative to apply
the concept of our ecology that is

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miniaturizing the urban environment in
order to improve mutual access of

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the elements within the city. The
second part of the book presents designs

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for possible our ecologies. At some
point, I went into some kind of a

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binge Where early two or 3 months they
would come up with an idea. So in

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less than two years, I I had sketches
for about 40 or 45 colleges. That

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means immediately that those
blueprints those well fantasies.

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But fantasy is based on a certain
logic. So as a phase of a certain

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process of going from from the
theoretical into the Rio, I think it was

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important. Very important. So people
should look at the mess fantasies

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about the country around the concept
which is the concept of the complex

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the mineralized The integrated three
dimensional. I began to think that

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the next step would have to be
demonstration. So I couldn't begin to think

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that I would I would be able to begin
the demonstration, but I started to

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work around the idea of a small
psychology and that became the last design

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and in the book.

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But at that point I began to really
think seriously about where to, it

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could be and how we go about about
doing it. So I designed that one in

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mind, Certain specific landscape.
Beginning as early as the winter of 61,

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paolo realized and was trying to make
plans for leaving Doubletree Road

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and going to a larger site. He was
aware that the ranch style houses were

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coming down Doubletree Road. He knew
the Paradise Valley was filling up

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and he was anxious to have a larger
piece of land in which there could be

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a more complete control of the larger
environment in which there could be

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a community of like spirits of other
people involved in arts and crafts,

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who could live in a more exemplary
fashion. And so he began a search in

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which on successive weekends there
would be expeditions. One day in two

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day expeditions to various parts of
rural Arizona. I went on a lot of

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those expeditions with them and as did
the whole family and we usually had

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a very good time hiking around. It was
very good for many points of view

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because first of all we saw Arizona
first hand, we appreciated the desert

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and more particularly we came to
understand what the desert meant. The

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delicacy in which these thorny and and
fortified plant survive. There's

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slow rate of growth, their visual
transparency, their vulnerability. Only

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two man, they're not vulnerable to the
extremes of climate or to the lack

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of moisture, but man is their most
horrific predator. Mhm. And we came to

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understand the delicacy in the balance
of this beautiful natural landscape

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under these harsh conditions.

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We came to understand this very thin
skin vegetation which paolo has

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written and talked about uh which is
uh the frail basis of all of human

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life. Well, I looked for about eight
years. I was scouting very regularly

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and very presently land on a radius of
about 100 miles from phoenix.

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And then after a few years of that, I
begin to concentrate in in the areas

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between Prescott and phoenix or around
college junction here

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and

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after an attempt to get some land
could annoyed for which I designed the

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first layout, which was so my layout
done at the Mesa city time, I got a

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hold of this land. I got interested in
this land. I bought some land on

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the opposite side, 68, we decided we
would buy 60 acres Arcosanti. The

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word is a contraction of our ecology
and co Santee is a proto, our ecology

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for 3000 people. That salary started
to build on this land in 1969. The

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work is done by volunteers who come
for six weeks and contribute about

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$300 towards the cost of materials,
equipment and food. Salary is able to

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match this amount from the proceeds of
the sale of his bells books and

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fees from his lectures, I asked so
leery what he has learned in the

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process of building arcosanti stuff.
The main thing is that evidently

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theoretical, it's important, but it's
only the first step from the

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political to the actual there's an
enormous amount of work to do and you

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can fail in any step inside the movie
material

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and there are things that yet I find
out it yet. What I think is necessary

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is to combine the long term planning
with existential

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transform of the process, which means
that do you maintain a certain

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scheme almost unchanged as a concept?
You have to keep it up in this game

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to the contingency of the moment,
which is not just a landscape of people

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or this or that it's everything. A
little bit of material, materials

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availability of cash to buy the
material credit. Um how much you feel you

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can, how much probably if you you
might have now and then

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the climate, the weather within the
climate, the people working with you,

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how many I'll feel the scheduling the
influences of, of environment in

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terms of people building codes and
zoning. So this is a practical

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demonstration of the thing that you
talk about it. It's not possible to

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predict the future with a living
process. Well, in a way I'm the least apt

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to predict the future in scientific
terms. One reason it was because I

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don't have the means, but if I was
more instant employment find the means.

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Well, I've been involved somehow in
empirical processes for a long time

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to the building. Of course, auntie. So
it comes more natural for me to go

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about empirically. So that's why it's
good that people are. Needling me

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about the fact that we should plan.
But I'm the first one to say that

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should plan because the psychologist
to be planned, so we have to find the

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optimal weather planning might become
more systematic at the same time,

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that direction the construction keeps
keeps being geared

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to the imminence of the process. It's
the present to the fighting. The

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process is in a way as important as
the end goal. You find that as the as

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the project is growing, it's getting a
life of its own. I hope so. I think

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it's beginning for one thing, the
violence of the sentiment and

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surrounding it, another one is that I
begin to feel that

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the structure of the geological
structure and the climate is working

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pretty well with what we're building.
What are you talking about? The

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violence? What do you mean by the
violence surrounding you know, the yeah

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, the emotional Mhm attitude of the
people and also outside.

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I don't think there is a difference. I
think there is a briancon and very

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much for very much against and so on.
I asked so leery why it is

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imperative that we apply the principle
of miniaturization complex

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ification to the urban environment,
Taylor then says, um we are part of

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them, our process of genesis and this
genesis, one of the main

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characteristics of this genesis is
that you're always moved from the

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simple into the complex, relatively so
successful. Next step is always

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more complex than the preceding step.

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So that was the key element that I
picked up

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and I pick it up before I found out
about Sheldon, because the colleges

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were already in the making. But that
gave confirmed to me that I was on

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the right track the next I was for me
to connect the concept of a physical

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dimension, so that that's where
military militarization came. How is

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complexity possible to the process of
implosion,

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implosion of not necessarily matter
the implosion of of a consciousness or

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activities or information and so on.
So, whatever your complexity, you can

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sure, you're going to find out
miniature defined miniaturization. She

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applied that to to the hole, but what
we know concerning life then, you

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see, that seems to be confirmed. It
seems to be confirmed by not just my

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note or uncertain terms, but in terms
which are

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substantial in space and time, time
being, all the three billions of years.

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Space being, space of your shadow
talks about an omega point as the final

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goal of consciousness. What is this
omega point? It was the exasperation

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of this idea of complexity.
Militarization. That convinced me that by

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necessity, at the end of the prices
you would have. That I'll make a point

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and

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this will make a point would be a
little type of consciousness and control

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and power and presence. So at that
point it's the closest thing to the

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construct guard that we in the Western
world and can come up with. During

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the early 60s, there was a movement
among theologians declaring God is

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dead. God is dead in the center. It
never existed, but there existed as a

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final accomplished

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entity. It always existed as an
attempt or as a hypothesis or as a partial

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realization. So we can say that each
present at its own imminent god. But

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the godfather is dead. For me, it's
that kind of original

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trust or consciousness or will that
can be found in broad matter. And

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since Brooke matter seems to be
somehow segregation or in the sense of not

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being able to to understand itself
through its own particles, at least in

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a way that we understand
understanding, it's easy to see that this God

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instead of being one god, is an
infinite number of God. Let's so you have

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absolutely fantastic condition, a
fragmented universe. The granular

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universe

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for which each isolated particle can
be seen as an expression as the most

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prime media playing medieval
expression of, of some kind of in essence and

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you can call it and this is a God

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and from there on it's the reduction
in the number of those guards through

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the introduction of Consciousness up
to the point where this consciousness

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becomes one that is the omega god, the
monotheistic.

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Tonight to end this program, I will
read a short segment from paolo's book

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, The Bridge between Matter and Spirit
is Matter becoming Spirit, Which

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was published in 1973 as a double day
anchor original. We are at most the

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first groping generals wedging
themselves in the dark granularity of

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spirits. Underpinnings the future is
literally the whole of life's

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evolution in time, space, power, but
mainly in intensity. How else can we

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life create God

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Man.

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Arcosanti is located one mile
northeast of Cordes Junction, which is 60

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miles north of phoenix on interstate
17 at the Prescott turn off except

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during the winter months. The site is
open to visitors Tours are given at

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11 am and two pm.

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Cause santa is located in Scottsdale
and is open to visitors who may buy

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metal and ceramic bells There. For
information about Arcosanti workshops

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right to the casa santa foundation.
That C O S A N T kO 76 433 Doubletree

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Road Scottsdale Arizona 85253.

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Let me repeat the address. Co santa
Foundation 6433 Doubletree Road

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Scottsdale Arizona 85253.

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This program was produced and narrated
by frank Kroger at Pacifica station

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Kpfk in los Angeles with technical
assistance from Peterson time and PhilMendelson